From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #88 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 26 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 088 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: And we call for the three great irritants... [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: my thougths on the current discussion [Anita G ] RE: And we call for the three great irritants..., njc [Laura Stanley ] Subject: Willie's 3 Questions [Dave Blackburn ] Re: And we call for the three great irritants... [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: NJC three great irritants [Michael Paz ] And we call for the three great irritants... ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)"] The Willie Question ["Marion Leffler" ] thanks! njc [Gina Del Piero ] Re: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Album Cover of Blue [Leah Welborn ] Re: thanks! njc [Catherine McKay ] Album Cover of Blue [Leah Welborn ] Re: Album Cover of Blue [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Album Cover of Blue [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Album Cover of Blue [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Re: NJC three great irritants [] Re: Re: NJC three great irritants [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedie] Re: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #81 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Safaris to the Heart: The Songs of Joni Mitchell [Bob Muller ] CD ordering pt 2 [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Joni Strikes AGAIN! [] njc, TV alert: Sarah McLachlan with Emmylou Harris [Patti Parlette Subject: Re: And we call for the three great irritants... >All these responses are very interesting. I find it amusing how based on one innocuous post, it can be determined that someone is a complete asshole, particularly when no one here has even met the individual in person. I'm sure there are many complete assholes who are very eloquent and respectful in their posting. Such is the nature of the online world. Victor< Very well put, Victor, because we all know just how eloquent and respectful your posts are. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:33:03 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: And we call for the three great irritants... Thank you, Bob, for your level headed perspective and insight once again. I've come to reply on you as the sanity barometer. What you say is true. Why would anyone who obviously doesn't respect Joni Mitchell want to be on a Joni Mitchell discussion list? I don't get it. Just to enrage people? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:39:02 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rare demos, live recordings, films Hi Same and welcome to the list. Just to add to what Bob said, torrents are one way to go (ie dime-a-dozen), there are a couple of other demos as well as the Hissing ones (ie Two Grey Rooms) and some video performances such as the BBC special, "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell". Every once in a while, one of us uploads one of the bootleg concerts with yousendit. I was about to pick one actually so, watch out in the next few days. Mark in Sydney NP Le Roi D'ys - Rufus Wainright ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:24:18 +0100 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: my thougths on the current discussion first av all that joni evokes strong feelings and questions is no shock to me she seems to be quite a personality herself. she is not afraid to speak her mind, thank god. but of course that also evokes strong feelings in us, her fans, and others. firstly - in his post walt breen, managed something that is really very hard. he held back his first guts reaction, considered the questions, and answered in great respect and also in a very wise manner. thank you walt! he also says in the end that he hopes willie is doing okay. i hope that too. and although i have a strong feeling that willie sent out his post to provoke (which he certainly did) i also think that one should be a bit careful just biting back. life i a challenge we come here for conversation not for breaking our hearts and joni is something many of us feel very strongly about. kay and several others manages to dig into the questions - and probably right. willie has no evidence of them does joni believe in god? has she considered to kill herself? well, we don't know. but i think being alive, human, sensitive forces us all to ask questions like this from time to time. questions about our existence and why are we really here in this world? as i said in the start i think joni is a very strong personality herself. i was kind of put off when she spoke in a way i did not find very supportive about suzanne vega and tracy chapman. i love both of them. and i excuse for the repeat, many of you have heard this before but when she says - tracy chapman had a few good songs, but proved out not to be very gifted musically, and when she states about suzanne vega "that she has no heart" that is very strong, and also quite offensive. and i know that bob and others feel the same about tracy, and yes that's you're right to feel that way. and joni has her right to. but to me tracy has given hope to mw suzanne has given comfort no heart? not equivalent musicianship? well it is enough for me. of course they both have different palettes of colors and nuances to their music than joni. joni is so gifted in so many ways, but music can also be useful in so many ways. sometimes what i need is a song from rihanna other times shawn colvin and jane siberry or paul simon it all depends on my mood. the state i'm in i'm not going any further with this i'll probably not get many answers as usual i'm a bit out of the topic. but it was meant just a reminder to keep our sensitivity and our open-mindness. well maybe just a slight a hope a little respect oddmund, norway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: welcome, njc Hi Gina, Welcome to the list of Shadows and Light! Glad you joined us based on Willie daring questions. May you always see things from Both Sides Now. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:28:22 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: my thougths on the current discussion > it was meant just a reminder to keep our sensitivity > and our open-mindness. > well maybe just a slight a hope > > a little respect > > oddmund, norway > Hi Oddmund. Welcome to my European School of Tolerant Liberalism. The whole issue regarding Willie's post and, in particular, the question he wanted to ask Joni about suicide that Kay called 'beyond the fucking pale' has made think a lot more about Censorship v Freedom of Speech, borderlines etc etc. Personally, I have greatly admired Kay's to the point challenge to Willie alongside Bob's straight and clear post. The fourth Buddhist precept is to abstain from 'false speech', I suppose to try and make the world a better place - but even some monks rioted (and rightly so) over Tibet. My own Mother is Belgian and lived under Nazi occupation. I don't claim to have any other answers here but my own. But, goodness, in a strange way, I am glad and grateful to have so much to think about and have felt personally challenged and interested by all that has been evoked for me. Good wishes Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:57:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: re: Willie's 3 questions I was too busy in the last several days to read my JMDL digests. Now catching up, I see the flood of reactions to Willie's message with his "3 questions". As always with Willie's messages, I just shrug my shoulders and think: "Sad nutcase". If I knew Willie better (like Laura seems to), I might either get to understand why he is so twisted, and feel sorry and concerned about him, or I may have to conclude that he is just a nasty attention seeker. It is up to me - and every JMDLer - whether they can be bothered to do what Laura did and take a further interest in Willie. So far, I have decided there are more worthy causes for my concern and motherly instincts. So I have no problem with ignoring every outrageous message Willie has posted so far. His opinions are irrelevant to me, they have not the slightest capacity of making any impact. What I am trying to say is: dear Anita and Kay and everybody else who has been hurt: please don't let this happen! Do you get hurt if some stranger in the street shouts obscenities or do you just think: "another drunk/lunatic"? Willie has his demons, whatever they are. If Laura wants to take them on, good for her (but please keep it off-line), but you don't have to. More importantly, you don't need to take it personally in any way whatsoever! I think even Joni would not care. I understand, and in a way agree, with most people who have reacted in an angry way and have asked for Willie to be booted off the list. I have no problem with that because, as other people have pointed out, this is not a public forum, and I don't really think Willie belongs here with the attitude he displays. But that is up to Les. I'm only saying: as long as Willy can post here, I think the best reaction is total silence. I can just see him sending his silly messages, and sitting there thinking: "Ha, that's going to shake them up!" Now what could be better than him finding that he has failed? It's like ignoring an exhibitionist when he thinks he can shock you with his pathetic display. As I said, maybe this particular exhibitionist needs urgent care, but we can't all be like Laura and adopt him. I hope it is the last time he manages to get such a reaction going on the list. One last thing: I would react completely differently (and have done so in the past, most strongly) if Willie were to attack one of us on the list. Then I would jump on him with full force, and I think it is something we have the duty to do. But I feel the gap between Willie and his fantasies on the one hand, and Joni Mitchell on the other hand, is so wide that there is no common point. That is also why I feel WIllie does not belong to this list. And now I am going to continue my day, enjoy early signs of spring, maybe even put on a Joni CD, and have no further thought of Willie whatsoever! (But I do wish him healing and peace.) Lieve in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 05:25:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: And we call for the three great irritants..., njc Steward wrote: Hi Laura, I've been reading the back and forth bantering on this subject and I also have mixed feelings regarding Willy's posts. My personal opinion is that the list is open to all views so as long as he does not violate any rules here or make any personal attacks - I would agree with you that he has the right to express his opinion. However, I find it really strange that he remains silent and does not respond to the comments being made in reaction to his posting. I mean if your going to put something out there as provocative as his posting was - don't you think he owes it to the list to explain his anger? I directed this note to you since you say he is your friend - I am very curious then - why he is so angry with her? Do you think you can ask your friend Willie to tell us this in a reasonably respectful manner ? Thanks Laura............Stewart Hi Stewart, First off, it is an assumption that Willie posted in anger. I already asked him that, and he told me he wasn't angry when he posted. Nobody asked him in their posts if he was angry, which would have given him a reasonable question to answer. Gotta check it out first in good communication. Let me call out to dear Willie right here, but before doing so, let me say that nobody on this list has been dissed more than Willie. He has been called names people would get tossed for in other places in cyber space. I know Willie to be a very sensitive, warm, and caring individual. The way I see it, is you just can't win it here when you are Willie, and I could see that as a good reason for him to not respond. I admire him for not responding, but maybe now is the time. Regarding his questions, he had a romantic relationship with Joni and knows her better than most of us do. He was with her during the writing of The Hissing of Summer Lawns time. Maybe like Laurent's friend that is why he feels at liberty to ask and would ask her the kind of questions he posted. I hope more people on this list will get to know him. He has a lot to offer us Joniphiles, one of which he definitely is. I'm amazed he has stayed with us given the way some people here have pigeon holed him. Okay Willie, your turn if you like. Love, Laura S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:40:45 -0400 From: Sam Stone Subject: Re: Rare demos, live recordings, films Thanks for the information I've already got: Joni Mitchell - Second Fret Sets 1966-1968 Joni Mitchell 1969-11-29 Joni Mitchell 1974 The Demos Of Summer Lawns Joni Mitchell - BBC IN CONCERT Final Cut DVD 1968 - Live At Club 47 1968 - Philadelphia Folk Festival - 8-23-68 1968 - Second Frets 1966 - 1968 1970 - James Taylor & Joni Mitchell - Live at Royal Albert Hall 1972 - BBC 1972 - (Kept By) Her Own Devices (recorded live in concert) 1972 - Live at Carnegie Hall 1972-02-23 1973 - Hawaii 1983 - Live at Red Rocks 1983-08-30 1984 - Live at Wembley Arena 1984-08-24 And I'm VERY interested in obtaining these: Joni Mitchell - Let's Sing Out [no label 1CD] Canadian Broadcasting Corporation shows recorded in Winnipeg on Oct 4 1965 and Oct 24 1966. The first show she is listed as Joan Anderson. Very short 30 mins. Ex broadcast Joni Mitchell - Looking Out For Love 1967-1969 [no label 1CD] Fan compilation of rare performances from Folklore Broadcast 1966, Philadelphia 1967 and at the Troubadour Nov 30 1969. Includes 5 unreleased tracks. VG+ SBD. Joni Mitchell - "Posall & Mosalm" [no label 3CD Torrent: 139350] Live in Philadelphia 1966-1968. These are the recordings of Gene Shay and Ed Sciaky, DJs. Includes gigs at Second Fret Club, WHAT Studios, WDAS studios. Ex SBD/FM stereo. Joni Mitchell - Gerdes Folk City, New York, NY, Jan 1967 (1CDR) Joni Mitchell - Live on WHAT & WDAS 1967 [no label 1CD Torrent #85344] Radio sessions in 1967 and 1968 with Gene Shay in Philadelphia. Tks 1-3 live Mar 12, 1967. Tks 4-7 Mar 19, 1967. Tk 8 May 28 1967. Tk 9-11 WDAS fall 1968. Tks 12-14 unidentified. Sourced from taper's master reel. Overall Ex FM stereo. Some songs are cut abruptly. Joni Mitchell - The Couriers Folk Club, The White Swan, Leicester, UK, Sept 1967 (1CDR) Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now Live 1968 [no label 1CD Torrent: 67682] live at The Troubadour, West Hollywood, California, June 1968. Los Angeles radio station 93 KHJ-FM recorded Joni's performance at the Troubadour for its 48-hour "History of Rock and Roll" series. The show was originally broadcast on KHJ over the Washington Day holiday week-end, February 21-23, 1969. Includes short interview excerpts. Total running time 7:22 m. Ex FM stereo. One song only. Joni Mitchell - 1968 or 1969 Germany (?) [no label 1CD Torrent: 81806] "This is a mysterious but very high-quality recording of Joni in 1967, 1968, or 1969. Early Joni, featuring her beautiful 1960s voice and a recording that is astoundingly good--crisp, clear, no static, very little hiss." - Doc. Many seldom heard songs eg Marcie, Nathan La Freneer, Dr Junk, Go Tell The Drummer Man. Ex SBD stereo. Joni Mitchell - 1968 or 1969 Germany (?): Remastered [no label 1CD Torrent: 82802] "This is a mysterious but very high-quality recording of Joni in 1967, 1968, or 1969. Early Joni, featuring her beautiful 1960s voice and a recording that is astoundingly good--crisp, clear, no static, very little hiss." - Doc. "On downloading this torrent *thanks docrupard* I found there were crackly track transitions and relatively low audio levels." Ex SBD stereo. Joni Mitchell - Public Broadcast 1969 [no label 1CD] solo Public Joni Mitchell - Mississippi River Festival 1969 [no label 1CD Torrent: 52879] live at Missippi River Festival, Southern Illinois University, Edwardsville, Il. July 7, 1969. Telecast on The Sounds Of Summer TV show, Aug 3, 1969. This show has in the past been erroneously identified as Nov 30, 1969, Los Angeles, PBS - TV. VG broadcast mono. Hissy and crackly. Joni Mitchell - Mississippi River Festival [Doinkertape 1DVD Torrent #124183] live at Mississippi River Festival, Southern Illinois University, Edwardsville, Il. July 7, 1969. Telecast on The Sounds Of Summer TV show, Aug 3, 1969. This is a stereo soundboard taken from vinyl source and transferred as a high-resolution 24bit/96Khz audio NTSC DVD-r to be played on DVD players. Ex- SBD stereo. Previous versions were mono. Joni Mitchell - Newport Folk Festival 1969 [no label 1CD] live in Rhode Island, July 19, 1969, evening concert. Ex SBD stereo. Tk 9 is of lesser quality from a different source. Broadcast Service TV show on Nov 30 1969 [Or July 7 1969?], recorded in Los Angeles. Ex TV broadcast sound. Joni Mitchell - Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Dec 1969 (2CDRs) Joni Mitchell - Mariposa Folk Festival, Toronto, Ont, July 26, 1970 (1CDR) Joni Mitchell - Carnegie Hall 1972 [no label 1CD] live in New York, Feb 23, 1972. Remastered to remove gaps, audience silence and retracked to start at beginning of each song. No EQ used in remastering. VG SBD Joni Mitchell - Philadelphia Academy Of Music 1972 [no label 1CD Torrent: 51716] live in Philadelphia, Mar 2, 1972, complete show. VG AUD stereo. A rare show. Joni Mitchell - George McGovern Benefit 1972 [no label 1CD Torrent: 77950] live in Cleveland, OH May 8, 1972. "This is a historic concert, in which Joni, Paul Simon, James Taylor and others rallied in attempt to support George McGovern." McGovern was a presidential candidate who lost to Richard Nixon. VG AUD stereo. Joni Mitchell - L'Olympia, Paris 1972 [no label 2CD] live at the L'Olympia Theatre, Paris, June 15 1972. VG+ AUD Rare show. Joni Mitchell - TROUBADOUR, L.A. CA. 17 NOVEMBER 1972 2CD Joni Mitchell - Original Blue [no label 1CD pinkrobert 880] Two extra songs were left off the released Blue album. They are The Urge For Going [later to emerge as the b-side of You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio] and the still unreleased Hunter [aka The Good Samaritan]. Taken from master tape. Ex SBD stereo. Joni Mitchell - Alternate Blue [1CD]. This album's claim to fame are the two tracks Mitchell removed from Blue at the very last minute. They are The Urge For Going [later to emerge as the b-side of You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio] and the still unreleased Hunter [aka The Good Samaritan]. This is an excellent copy of the alternate Blue album. Joni Mitchell - Dorothy Chandler Pavilion 1974 [no label 2CD] live in Los Angeles, CA, with the LA Express on Mar 3 1974. VG AUD Joni Mitchell - London 1974 [Doc Tinker 1CD Torrent: 123403] live at New Victoria Theater, London, Apr 22, 1974 broadcast on BBC TV. "Friends, here4s a beautiful & mostly excellent sounding rarity from Joni Mitchell, recorded from TV by a friend in the mid 704s! Only a few portions with the full band are slightly over-recorded, but most songs are solo performances or have only 1 or 2 members playing with Joni." Ex- TV broadcast mono? 51 mins. Joni is probably backed by the LA Express. Joni Mitchell - Temple University, PA 1974 [no label 2CD] live Aug 21 1974 + WBCA Canada broadcast 1968. With Tom Scott & LA Express. Ex AUD Joni Mitchell - Courtin' & Sparkin' 1974 [no label 2CD] live Aug 21 1974 at Temple University, PA. Same as above but with no bonus tracks. Ex AUD Joni Mitchell - Hissing of Summer Lawns demos [no label 1CD] 1975 acoustic demos. Includes another demo of Hunter, still unreleased. Ex SBD. Joni Mitchell - The Spectrum 1976 [no label 2CD] live in Philadelphia, PA, Feb 16 1976. VG++ AUD stereo. COMPLETE SHOW Joni Mitchell - Swinging on A Star [no label 1CD Torrent: 109149] live with Murray McLauchlan and Larry Klein on CBC-FM, Ontario, Canada, recorded Feb 1991 and broadcast Mar 1, 1991. Ex FM stereo. Joni Mitchell - Gene Autry 1995 [no label 1CD] live at Gene Autry Western Heritage Museum, Los Angeles, Jan 26 1995. Ex pre-FM? stereo. Joni Mitchell - Mostly Melancholia [CIB] - live Pauley Pavillion, Los Angeles, May 22 1998. Good audience recording. Joni Mitchell - Minneapolis 1998 [no label 1CD Torrent: 82114] live in Minneapolis, Oct 23, 1998. "A great performance, matched by an truly outstanding soundboard recording, with excellent presence on all instruments and vox, nice stereo separation and a nice package that fits completely onto one (80-minute) CD-R." - Docrupard. Ex SBD stereo. Joni Mitchell - Let's Sing Out 1965-1966 [no label 1DVD PAL?] Two programs from Canadian TV Let's Sing Out with host Oscar Brand. The shows have been edited to remove all non-Joni performances. In the earlier segment Joni is addressed as Joni Anderson. The B&W 1965 video is VG+. The B&W 1966 video is VG. Audio Ex TV mono. TT 30 mins. JONI MITCHELL - 'Jonifest'- anthology of rare footage (DVD) JONI MITCHELL - 'In The '70s' (2DVD) JONI MITCHELL Video Anthology 1965-1976 DVD JONI MITCHELL Live in London 1974 DVD with Tom Scott & The LA Express (Complete, 2 sources) Anyone got these? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi Same and welcome to the list. Just to add to what Bob said, torrents are > one way to go (ie dime-a-dozen), there are a couple of other demos as well > as the Hissing ones (ie Two Grey Rooms) and some video performances such as > the BBC special, "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell". > > Every once in a while, one of us uploads one of the bootleg concerts with > yousendit. I was about to pick one actually so, watch out in the next few > days. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Le Roi D'ys - Rufus Wainright ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:00:36 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Subject: Willie's 3 Questions Eloquently and thoroughly argued Kay. I'm in total agreement. I should add that Willie HAS personally insulted/attacked none other than Les Irvin only last year, so his defenders, who claim his rhetorical right, should consider that "line crossing" too. I think most of us enjoy the friendly tone of the list and look forward to our morning "list browse", the pleasure of which plummets dramatically when incendiary posts written by a creepy stalker persona appear. My vote is to dump him, to preserve this tiny oasis of calm in an ocean of mean-spirited incivility. We're talking about MUSIC here, let's remember, one of life's great joys... Yanock is a poisoner, only verbally so far, but with Mark David Chapman written all over his persona. Dave On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Subject: Willie's 3 Questions ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:14:18 +0000 (UTC) From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: And we call for the three great irritants... Mark in Sydney, If you hold some kind of grudge against me, for God only knows what, then that's your business and not mine. If it makes you feel good to make some clever comment that's supposed to be a subtle insult then by all means please do so. Hope you're doing well across the pond. best, Victor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark-Leon Thorne" To: waytoblue@comcast.net Cc: "jonipeople LIST" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:28:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: And we call for the three great irritants... >All these responses are very interesting. I find it amusing how based on one innocuous post, it can be determined that someone is a complete asshole, particularly when no one here has even met the individual in person. I'm sure there are many complete assholes who are very eloquent and respectful in their posting. Such is the nature of the online world. Victor< Very well put, Victor, because we all know just how eloquent and respectful your posts are. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:56:50 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC three great irritants WoW! We haven't had this many fires since Marcel and Paul. What a wicked past at that! Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Mar 24, 2010, at 10:06 PM, wrote: Jimmy wrote: "I just have a suspicion that aka Wllie is someone from our past that has been banned from the list. They still do keep up with the list, and I know that for a fact!" Ding ding ding,, we have a winner! Bingo, Jimmy. I am actually heartened that some people are actually calling it out for what it is instead of finding 1,000 ponderous reasons to excuse it. Getting to the heart of the matter is not always a bad thing. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: And we call for the three great irritants... I don't know for sure, but I think that the Agents Of Good have dealt with his subscription, silently and efficiently. Jim L'Hommedieu Columbus, Ohio Sam Stone, possibly a fan of John Prine, said in part, >However, I find it really strange that he remains silent and does not respond to the comments being made in reaction to his posting. I mean if your going to put something out there as provocative as his posting was - don't you think he owes it to the list to explain his anger?> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:06:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc I like the Pink Floyd album called "The Final Cut". The first track "The Post War Dream" starts off like this. Roger Waters said, >Tell me true, >tell me why >was Jesus cru-ci-fied? >Was it for this that Daddy died? Years after I heard that album, I discovered John Prine's first album. The song "Sam Stone" seems to use the nearly the same melody when he sings >Sam Stone >came home, >To his wife and fam-i-ly >After serving in the conflict overseas. Did Waters lift it or is it coincidence? Jim L'Hommedieu on the road in Columbus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:37:26 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: The Willie Question Hello Joni-people, I really had no intention of adding anything to the discussion but now it has turned from Willie's three questions into the Willie question: should we kick him off the list or should we let him go on posting mean and insulting thoughts and opinions? I can understand how some people feel uncomfortable but the solution of that problem is really very simple: just block him and you won't receive any more posts from him. As for kicking him off the list altogether I am not so sure. How do we handle individuals like him in "real" life, in our workplaces, for example? We can't just kick them out anywhere we meet them. I am not trying to debate what's wrong with Willie. In his posts he surely appears to either lack social graces or be sickly obsessed with Joni and taking it out on us, her fans. If he were my collegue or neighbor I would treat him politely but keep him at a distance and not concern myself with him too much. I might feel a little sorry for him and think that he ought to seek help but then again he is an adult. As long as he does not actually hurt somebody he ought to be left alone. There are more important things in my life than getting mad at or upset about the likes of Willie. In sum: I wouldn't vote for kicking him off the list. I just don't care about his posts, they are nothing to me. I'm sure his presence on the list will not be strong enough to harm the jmdl as a community. Love and peace, Marion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:04:48 -0300 From: Gina Del Piero Subject: thanks! njc thank you very much for the warm welcome! im so glad i officially have a nice bunch of people to get tangled in joni with! as soon as i can, i will try to bring up interesting topics... trying not to look like a complete jonilliterate to you! again, thanks a lot and lets... sit wait for willie's next molotov? love gina _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail tiene actualizacisn automatica de la bandeja de entrada, para que ningzn email se escape de tu vista. Ver mas http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/actualizacion-guardado.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:14:49 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc I like the Pink Floyd album called "The Final Cut".> You've mentioned that album before, Jim - and I remember the album as well - - Rolling Stone gave it FIVE stars which is almost unprecedented. I bought the vinyl, listened to it, and was mostly like WTF with it. I was expecting a PINK FLOYD album and got a self-indulgent Roger Waters (I realize that's redundant) album. Nothing stuck, I only played it a handful of times and either gave it away or threw it away. Bob NP: The Raconteurs, "Call It A Day" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Do any of you know where or how I might find such a thing? Thanks! Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:35:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: thanks! njc Gina, welcome to the list. It's especially good to hear from someone with a good sense of humour! Cheers! ________________________________ From: Gina Del Piero To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 1:04:48 PM Subject: thanks! njc thank you very much for the warm welcome! im so glad i officially have a nice bunch of people to get tangled in joni with! as soon as i can, i will try to bring up interesting topics... trying not to look like a complete jonilliterate to you! again, thanks a lot and lets... sit wait for willie's next molotov? love gina _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail tiene actualizacisn automatica de la bandeja de entrada, para que ningzn email se escape de tu vista. Ver mas http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/actualizacion-guardado.asp __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:27:48 -0700 From: Leah Welborn Subject: Album Cover of Blue Michael! Thank you so much for the tip. Isn't it magical how one can type a question on a machine and an answer comes back from a kind stranger? What did we ever do without the internet? Looking forward to getting to know you and the other Joni-ites. - -Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Album Cover of Blue I found this one, Leah: http://www.theretropostershop.com/show-print-single.asp?Item_ID=96 (I've never dealt with this company, so I'm not necessarily recommending them, but it looks pretty cool.) Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Album Cover of Blue >>Looking forward to getting to know you and the other Joni-ites. - -Leah I'm very happy to have helped. Welcome to the list. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:59:49 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Album Cover of Blue Hi Leah - welcome to Joniland! It is an amazing place as you have already found out, you will typically find a fast answer to a Joni question or to any question, for that matter. Now that you've outed yourself, tell us your Joni history...which album or song first hooked you, have you seen her in concert, etc. For me, I was first drawn in with Court and Spark when it came out in '74, and then with Hejira I was totally hooked. Was not a fan of the earlier 'folky' stuff AT THAT TIME but love it now. Bob NP: Grandaddy, "El Caminos In The West" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:37:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: Re: Re: NJC three great irritants I think this was all an inside job, concocted by the inner circle, to kickstart this list and give it a jolt. Victor, enjoying a rainy day in Atlanta Sent from Comcast Mobile - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz To: kbhla Cc: FMYFL, joni Sent: 2010-03-25 12:08:41 -0400 Subject: Re: NJC three great irritants WoW! We haven't had this many fires since Marcel and Paul. What a wicked past at that! Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Mar 24, 2010, at 10:06 PM, wrote: Jimmy wrote: "I just have a suspicion that aka Wllie is someone from our past that has been banned from the list. They still do keep up with the list, and I know that for a fact!" Ding ding ding,, we have a winner! Bingo, Jimmy. I am actually heartened that some people are actually calling it out for what it is instead of finding 1,000 ponderous reasons to excuse it. Getting to the heart of the matter is not always a bad thing. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:56:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Re: NJC three great irritants If so, it was a big success, even brought out a host of newbies. I was starting to think we'd never see a new 'face' around here. Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "Sleep Spent" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Re: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc I like the fact that Waters aims high because I feel like there's some substance there. Something for the mind as well as the heart. Different jams for different folks. I like slow albums like the ones the Cowboy Junkies make. But then, I like slow movies too.>I bought the vinyl, listened to it, and was mostly like WTF with it. I was expecting a PINK FLOYD album and got a self-indulgent Roger Waters (I realize that's redundant) album. Nothing stuck, I only played it a handful of times and either gave it away or threw it away. ________________________________ From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:44:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc But why settle for one or the other when so many artists give both? Waters by himself is so sterile and self-absorbed. When he has Gilmour and the others with him then there's something worth spending time with. Gilmour, on the other hand, has made SUPERB solo albums to date. Me too to both of those, love Margo & the Junkies but after picking up about 4 albums I don't feel like I need any more. And they came out with such a strong debut they're still trying to match it. As for slow movies, the last movie I caught was very slow but very compelling, a Romanian film titled "How I Spent The End Of The World". Really gives you an insight into what life was like in Romania under Ceacescu. Bob NP: XTC, "The Meeting Place" (with a shout-out to Mr. Blackburn, hope we find a meeting place sometime in 2010!) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:10:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc I bet it is purely coincidence. However, I very much like the Final cut. Is it more Roger Waters than Pink Floyd? Yes, absolutely. However, the simplicity and pure emotion in the album, for me, far outweighs any other issue at hand. Pink Floyd was not even Pink Floyd as we know it at that point. To put all the blame on Roger Waters is much too easy. - -M, loyal Waters/Floyd fan ________________________________ From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Lama (Jim L*Hommedieu) Cc: JMDL Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 5:44:32 PM Subject: Re: Did Roger Waters "lift" from John Prine? njc But why settle for one or the other when so many artists give both? Waters by himself is so sterile and self-absorbed. When he has Gilmour and the others with him then there's something worth spending time with. Gilmour, on the other hand, has made SUPERB solo albums to date. Me too to both of those, love Margo & the Junkies but after picking up about 4 albums I don't feel like I need any more. And they came out with such a strong debut they're still trying to match it. As for slow movies, the last movie I caught was very slow but very compelling, a Romanian film titled "How I Spent The End Of The World". Really gives you an insight into what life was like in Romania under Ceacescu. Bob NP: XTC, "The Meeting Place" (with a shout-out to Mr. Blackburn, hope we find a meeting place sometime in 2010!) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:18:24 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Strikes AGAIN! so I was playing a gig yesterday at the German Coast Farmers Market (yes this is a recent development that I have been playing in public places again lately but their not your run of the mill bars and such but I digress). Anyways I was playing a Joni tune and a lady came up and thanked me and told me she never expected to hear Joni as she stepped out of her car. Then she realized it was being played a big old GUY and I was serious. I told her I know about 40 Joni songs. She thanked me again and told me I was very brave. I am not sure what that meant and I lost her in the crowd before I could ask her. Paz NP-James Low Live at the Ogden Museum After Hours Concert Series Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:55:22 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #81 In a message dated 3/25/2010 3:00:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Gina, Thanks so much for your heartfelt message - wow, to be 18 and have all of Joni's work ahead of me to discover and discuss. Please don't be a stranger - you write beautifully and this is a wonderful source of information. New voices always bring a freshness to this group that us stale old-timers can't possibly hope to generate. Looking forward to your next post! Bob To me the post above captures the spirit of this digest. And I'm gonna enjoy those kinds of remarks. I'm ambivalent about the posting regarding the three questions. Initially I reacted - and in retrospect that's exactly what was desired. I didn't care for what was said, and as annoying as it was to read, I suppose since he didn't technically break any of the rules - it's fine he got a chance to post. Provocative? I don't think so - mean spirited was more like it, but that's how some folks get off. I'm not gonna compare the dude to Hitler though - perhaps Randy from Pee Wee's playhouse. The painting/art conversation that Em would have with Joni was great. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:48:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart: The Songs of Joni Mitchell Hey Dave & Les, Don't know if it's just me, but I tried to get to the CD order process through the links at JM.com and they didn't work. Went to Robin's site and when I click on the "add to cart" it faulted. Don't know if anyone else is having the same issues or not... Bob NP: Sara Isaacson and Rebecca Tornqvist, "Josie" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:15:00 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: CD ordering If anyone has tried ordering our new all-Joni CD "Safaris to the Heart" either through Les' banner on JoniMitchell.com or directly from RobinAdler.com and has encountered a difficulty with the links please let me know asap. From my end, and Les', everything is working correctly, on multiple browsers, but Bob M reports that he had trouble with it. thanks, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:25:48 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: CD ordering pt 2 I neglected to mention re: ordering the new Mutts CD that anyone can mail a check to us directly if they can't or don't like to use online payment. $15 per copy + $3 shipping (US domestic) or $5 (outside US) Please make check to : Robin Adler 1008 South Live Oak Park Rd Fallbrook CA 92028 Mention JoniMitchell.com and Les gets a 25% kickback towards maintaining the website. Win, win. To hear clips from it click on the media player at the foot of the page at http://robinadler.com/ thanks everyone, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 02:35:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: Re: Joni Strikes AGAIN! Speaking of being brave, I had a gig playing covers at a fancy Italian restaurant in Atlanta. Near the end of the 1st set, I was ready for a break, saw there was a 4 month old baby sitting nearby, so just to do something different, more of a joke than anything else, I played the "Rubber Duckie" song in an Ernie voice. A couple of weeks later, I called the agent about playing there again...turns out the manager that night was furious that I played rubber duckie. My basic response was WTF??? Victor Sent from Comcast Mobile - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz To: Joni List Sent: 2010-03-25 20:58:05 -0400 Subject: Joni Strikes AGAIN! so I was playing a gig yesterday at the German Coast Farmers Market (yes this is a recent development that I have been playing in public places again lately but their not your run of the mill bars and such but I digress). Anyways I was playing a Joni tune and a lady came up and thanked me and told me she never expected to hear Joni as she stepped out of her car. Then she realized it was being played a big old GUY and I was serious. I told her I know about 40 Joni songs. She thanked me again and told me I was very brave. I am not sure what that meant and I lost her in the crowd before I could ask her. Paz NP-James Low Live at the Ogden Museum After Hours Concert Series Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:49:36 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, TV alert: Sarah McLachlan with Emmylou Harris On Jimmy Kimmel ce soir, I think I heard. xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. 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