From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #72 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 11 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 072 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: TNT tribute [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Hurt Locker [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Kay's in the Bay (Now NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Joni & Gore Vidal and Kay's in the Bay (SJC) [Dave Blackburn ] Re: TNT Tribute [Dave Blackburn ] TNT Tribute [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] They tore down the town and put up a paradise? Detroit, njc [Marianne Riz] 8 bil federal loan for nuclear industry, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: TNT Tribute [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 8 bil federal loan for nuclear industry, njc ["Cassy" ] Re: Opening ceremony and a playlist [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Opening ceremony and a playlist NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 8 bil federal loan for nuclear industry, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hurt Locker [Mags ] Covers 122 still open for downloading [Bob Muller ] Re: TNT tribute [Mags ] Re: Dan Arborise, gorgeous acoustic music, njc [Michael O ] Joni mentioin on "Mercy" [Walt Breen ] Joni on Mercy (update) [Walt Breen ] Re: Forgot the njc (njc) [Mags ] Re: 8 bil for nuclear, njc ["Mark" ] Re: Opening ceremony and a playlist [Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Re: TNT tribute Like Jerry, I watch it about once a year too. Dave, k.d. and James were the main standouts for me too but, I actually shed a tear when Shawn and Mary sang Amelia. It was also obviously from the heart like it was a highlight of their lives. Wynona Judd has never been a big draw card in this part of the world but, I just loved her on this show. I also love her cover of Help Me. To my knowledge, this show has never been broadcast on any channel in Australia. Network television nor cable. Mark in Sydney NP Talkin' 'bout Your Generation - Network Ten ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:35:50 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Hurt Locker I can't find the Joni content in this message. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Kay's in the Bay (Now NJC) Kay and Walt, let me say just how much I admire the two of you for having the chutzpah to make these huge life transitions and move so far away from where you were. In an alternate universe, I wanna be just like you! I do want to get out of Toronto because it's just too damn expensive and too crowded now, and i can't afford to own property here after getting divorced. In about 18 months, I can take early retirement from my job, and that's what I plan to do. Right now, my kids are both still in school (post-secondary), so I may stick around a bit longer, and would get another at least part-time job to supplement my income. But I really just want to get out to some place more affordable and not as crazy, and it has to be near water. And Kay, if you can type all that without mistakes on a freakin' blackberry, you're a champion for that alone ________________________________ From: Kay To: littlebreen@live.com; Joni List Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 8:02:56 PM Subject: Joni & Gore Vidal and Kay's in the Bay (SJC) To conclude, I've been in the middle of a huge life transition for several months now, and now that the physical relocation portion of the transition is somewhat complete, I've had a few moments to breathe and lurk on the list. More than once since arriving here in sunny (?) CA, I have felt tremendous gratitude for this list and everyone I've met because of it. It's impossible to calculate how my life has been enriched by being a member of the jmdl, but at a moment like this in my life, when I've done something so drastic as to drive across the country by myself with my car packed to the visibility-obscuring levels, it's pretty amazing to land here and know that there are birds-of-a-feather people here just waiting to meet. Oh, and Jimmy, I might even get around to writing my JoniFest report now. That would be for the 2009 SoCal fest. I've given up on writing reports for the 2007, 2004, 2003, and 2002 Northeast JoniFests. Love, Kay Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:50:56 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Joni & Gore Vidal and Kay's in the Bay (SJC) Welcome to NoCal Kay! Best wishes for finding jobs and gigs. I'm impressed with what you can write on a Blackberry too! I've only ever seen one-line emails full of typos and acronyms come from them! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:20:25 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: TNT Tribute Wow. I can't believe it was 10 years ago! And boy, if you don't think 10 years is a long time, check out your passport photos for each renewal. What a great period that was. I was SO fortunate to have been at the Rosie rehearsal (AMAZING, Larry and Vince were still working out kinks in some of the copied charts for "Answer Me My Love") and taping, the Letterman taping (saw Joni curbside afterwards), the TNT tribute, AND the two BSN shows at The Theatre at MSG a month later. There's a review with my pics somewhere on JoniMitchell.com of the second MSG show...with all the recent changes I'm not sure if a direct link works anymore. I don't think I had more fun since then. CC "Time goes by so slowly, and time can do so much. Are you still mine?" _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:25:50 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: TNT Tribute To which one could add Joni smoking her cigarette in a theater where it is totally against the law! That must say something about her status. Perhaps she threatened a tantrum and refused to attend unless she could smoke LOL. The backing band is quite something too. Love that Dean Parks and Greg Leisz! What great sidemen. Dave On Mar 10, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > > I watch that tribute concert periodically and I agree - it was a > special > Joni moment .... > > Some of my takeaways were: > > 1. I had never heard of Diana Krall before that tribute and now I am > a huge > fan of hers... > > 2. I am not a big Cyndi Lauper fan but I have to say that was a really > powerful cover of Carey she did - easily the best Carey cover I have > ever > heard...... > > 3. Larry Klein is an amazing talent........ > > 4. Richard Thompson is an amazing guitarist....According to the press > release, the Stone Temple Pilots were originally slated to perform > Woodstock but never showed and that's why he (RT) was reading the > words off > the prompter. > > 5. Elton John's comment about how he was more nervous performing > in front > of Joni than he was performing in front of the Queen of England...... > really priceless stuff..................... > > > Stewart > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for > the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and > exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified > that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. 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Elton John's comment about how he was more nervous performing in front of Joni than he was performing in front of the Queen of England...... really priceless stuff..................... Stewart - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:35:09 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: They tore down the town and put up a paradise? Detroit, njc I think this sounds real good for detroit. I wonder how the soil is in those parts. I personally want to see ALL the land return to how it was when the indians were the inhabitants. Hi all. XOxo Marianne From: Laura Stanley http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100308/ap_on_bi_ge/us_downsizing_detroit _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:01:07 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: 8 bil federal loan for nuclear industry, njc http://moneymorning.com/2010/02/18/nuclear-power/ Hi I think that congress still has to approve this but my favorite pres. Obama has approved an 8 billion dollar loan to the nuclear industry. Try to stay alert to this, as we will have to make our voices heard. This could be the worse idea of the century as not only is it a very bad idea financially but nuclear power was/is/never will be a good idea both with the mining of plutonium, the disposal of spent fuel rods and the transportation of the above. Say it is okay only if you are wwilling to put it directly in your own back yard. I even get depressed thinking that if humans/ when are gone we still have this stuff eroding our planet so how are we going to heal this great planet? okay. . . so I am a maniac. : - ) I care about the next 7 generations (as the indians say) but I also care about the entire life of this planet. . . and I also care about today (not easy being me : - ) Let's educate ourselves and be ready to have good dialog. cannot sit back some highlights to some of the articles "The move is intended to reduce usage of fossil fuels and meet America's future energy needs. "He may soon be called the nuclear industry's Golden Child. No president in the last three decades has put more taxpayer dollars behind atom power than Barack Obama. "He pushed the restart button on the U.S. nuclear power industry. Obama announced the first loan guarantee to the nuclear industry in nearly three decades -- a conditional guarantee of $8.2 billion for two proposed nuclear power plants in Georgia. In this single move, he may have jump-started the nuclear power industry in the U.S. Or not. The loans come with some strings attached -- and Southern Company, the company behind the Georgia plants, may not accept those terms. Loans aside, the U.S. nuclear industry has a long history of cost overruns, production delays and the inability to solve its most vexing problem: The issue of nuclear waste and containment. Until these issues are resolved, all the government money in the world may not be able to overcome public opposition and financial common sense." "Indeed, if you pair solar and wind up with other base load-power-providing renewables such as geothermal and biomass; efficiency measures (green buildings, retrofits and the like); limited natural gas in high-growth areas; and a smart grid -- then there's no need to expand nuclear or coal. if you managed to read this far (and I am sorry for so much) you can find more on the web (of course) and I hope you do and I hope you communicate it to all failure to do so makes us complicit Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:23:16 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: 8 bil federal loan for nuclear industry, njc So you prefer to keep building and operating coal-fired power plants? Getting coal is becoming more and more environmentally hazardous and occupationally dangerous, as is burning it. Solar and Wind are good solid tehnologies but there's not enough out there to produce the power we need. As is the case with many other things (education, health care, etc) many European countries are out in front of us on this issue and have been building and operating new nuclear facilities. The coal lobby is unbelievably powerful and controls much of what happens in terms of energy legislation. I'm glad Obama is pushing us in what I see as a better direction than the course we have been on. Bob NP: Todd, "Sometimes I Don't Know What To Feel" PS: Love you, sweetheart. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Getting coal is becoming more and more environmentally hazardous and occupationally dangerous, as is burning it. Solar and Wind are good solid tehnologies but there's not enough out there to produce the power we need. As is the case with many other things (education, health care, etc) many European countries are out in front of us on this issue and have been building and operating new nuclear facilities. The coal lobby is unbelievably powerful and controls much of what happens in terms of energy legislation. I'm glad Obama is pushing us in what I see as a better direction than the course we have been on. Bob _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:52:08 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: TNT Tribute <1. I had never heard of Diana Krall before that tribute and now I am a huge fan of hers...> I agree with all of your points, Stewart, and especially with this one. In a night of strong performances, Diana's was hands-down the standout. It almost seemed that the whole audience was holding their breath. And literally overnight, her cover of "A Case Of You" BECAME the standard. Almost every cover I hear of the song from that point forward has emulated Diana's lyrical patterns and emotion. Much the same can be said about Counting Crows' cover of BYT, like it or don't. Bob NP: Johnny "Guitar" Watson, "Cuttin' In" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:07:01 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: 8 bil federal loan for nuclear industry, njc My brother-in-law is Vice President of a company in Canada called AECL (Atomic Energy Canada Ltd.) He started out with them years ago when he graduated from Oxford and worked his way up to where he is now. His number one priority is safety. Atomic energy in Canada is handled a little differently than in the U.S.A. AECL is a privately owned company with the Canadian government holding the majority share so they do have some control over what's going on but are not responsible for 100% of the funding for projects. There is (or was) a huge debate in Canada over whether to spend money on wind-power or another nuclear plant to power Ontario, Canada's needs. Perhaps Catherine could weigh in on that topic? I went to a Bonnie Raitt concert in the early 80s and got a T-shirt... navy blue with a red rose on the front and a small logo in the bottom front corner that read "all proceeds from the sale of this shirt go to a non-nuclear future" and I remember having an intense conversation with him about the future of energy in the world. There is a finite amount of natural resources in the world and with the way world-demand is now for energy of all types an alternate source is not speculative, it's necessary and the earlier we begin investigating and developing the better. We complain about the cost of gasoline/petrol but "if" the main source of oil is from the middle east and prices are controlled by a cartel we are pretty much held hostage to their pricing. Finding a safe, alternate source of energy is very important to our future. I have the same concerns as Marianne about disposal of spent rods etc. but technology has come a very long way since 3-Mile Island and Chernobyl. I do know that AECL built plants in Korea and India over the last 10 yrs and that those countries don't have many alternative energy sources so what are their options? As long as disposal of spent materials is one of the primary areas of research I have to say I believe that some of our future energy needs are going to require either an alternative source to fossil fuels or that each of us will have to go back to living more like indigenous tribes - are we willing to give up our luxuries like home computers and HDTVs? My guess is mostly not. I would like to see money spent on researching other energy sources too but we knew when Obama was voted in that he wanted to spend money on developing other energy supplies and improving Nation-wide technology; now that he is are we really all that surprised? And it is a "loan" not a gift I'd be interested to see what other loans - of lesser newsworthy amounts - have been made to scientists to develop the other energy alternatives. In a bit of an extrapolation, spending money on alternatives to oil may be one of the first steps to spending less on war... Just my opinion. Warmly, Cassy Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ From: "Marianne Rizzo" http://moneymorning.com/2010/02/18/nuclear-power/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:26:08 +0100 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Opening ceremony and a playlist Gentle listers! I'm sure some of you still have that "both sides now" from the opening ceremony in Vancouver. I would love to watch it again. Anyone? And since this is all about music I'll share my favorite playlist right now: Shawn Colvin: Sunny came home The (sublime) Webb sisters: Fortune of soldiers (from a beautiful tribute cd to Judy Collins) Laura Veirs: Wrecking Kate (RIP) and Anna McGarrigle; Complainte pour ste catherine Judee Sill (the wonderful singer); Soldier of the heart Iris DeMent; My life (i love her voice) Natalie Imbruglia: Torn (need some superfcial, not only Joni ( : Imogen Heap: Hide and seek (whom I discovered through a fellow lister and FB-person : ) Natalie Merchant: River (okay, not as great as Joni's, but still) Neil Young: Dreamin' man (what a song, what a voice, and Linda Rondstad and Nicolette Larson doing great backin vocals) Joni Mitchell: Both sides, now (2000 version) Laura Nyro; Stoned souled picnic Mary Chapin Carpenter: The hard way Mary Chapin Carpenter; Dead man walking Patti Smith; Beneath the southern cross Sting: Fields of gold Jane Sibery: Love is everything (she is coming to Oslo in may, hooray!) k.d.lang; You're ok (and my initials are OK) The Watson twins: Modern man (how to learn to understand him....) The Unthanks: Annachie Gordon (lovely, and they are also coming to *Oslo*) Javeeta Steele: Calling you (from Bagdad cafe) and the last track came up searching for the beautiful 19 miles to Baghdad performed by Lizzie Wright, a song I wold say is a true Patti Parlette (hi!) song! Thanks! Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:15:40 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Opening ceremony and a playlist Great list, Oddmund. I am a long time Liz Wright fan (ask Muller). Jerry On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > Gentle listers! > > I'm sure some of you still have that "both sides now" from the opening > ceremony in Vancouver. > I would love to watch it again. > Anyone? > > And since this is all about music I'll share my favorite playlist right > now: > > Shawn Colvin: Sunny came home > The (sublime) Webb sisters: Fortune of soldiers (from a beautiful > tribute cd to Judy Collins) > Laura Veirs: Wrecking > Kate (RIP) and Anna McGarrigle; Complainte pour ste catherine > Judee Sill (the wonderful singer); Soldier of the heart > Iris DeMent; My life (i love her voice) > Natalie Imbruglia: Torn (need some superfcial, not only Joni ( : > Imogen Heap: Hide and seek (whom I discovered through a fellow lister > and FB-person : ) > Natalie Merchant: River (okay, not as great as Joni's, but still) > Neil Young: Dreamin' man (what a song, what a voice, and Linda > Rondstad and Nicolette Larson doing great backin vocals) > Joni Mitchell: Both sides, now (2000 version) > Laura Nyro; Stoned souled picnic > Mary Chapin Carpenter: The hard way > Mary Chapin Carpenter; Dead man walking > Patti Smith; Beneath the southern cross > Sting: Fields of gold > Jane Sibery: Love is everything (she is coming to Oslo in may, hooray!) > k.d.lang; You're ok (and my initials are OK) > The Watson twins: Modern man (how to learn to understand him....) > The Unthanks: Annachie Gordon (lovely, and they are also coming to *Oslo*) > Javeeta Steele: Calling you (from Bagdad cafe) > > and the last track came up searching for the beautiful 19 miles to > Baghdad performed by Lizzie Wright, a song I wold say > is a true Patti Parlette (hi!) song! > > Thanks! > Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:25:29 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Opening ceremony and a playlist NJC I'll add that Laura Veir's "July Flame" is a really pretty, stark, well-written album. I liked about half of it right off the bat (a good sign) and I think most Joni fans would dig it, so go to lala.com or other audio sampling sites and check it out. It's been a slow month or so for new tunes (Preservation Hall excepted which I have very much been digging), but is starting to heat up - the "new' Jimi Hendrix album is a sizzler and The Drive-By Truckers, Kaki King, Hold Steady and others are just around the corner. Bob NP: Damien Rice, "I Remember" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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The ministry of Energy and Infrastructure has its Green Energy Act here: http://www.mei.gov.on.ca/en/energy/gea/ A quick glance doesn't say much about nuke plants and yet I know that's what they were talking about (along with other things...) There have been wind farms opened but people who live near them complain too, about the environmental impact (dead birds and noise for starters). They recently opened a wind farm on Wolfe Island near Kingston and many residents aren't happy about that and apparently property values have plummeted (that may be only temporary though.) http://wolfeislandresidents.ca/ (This is one of my "dream communities" - maybe I should say "was" though!) Something I saw last week on TV piqued my interest. Jack Layton, who is the leader of the New Democratic Party for Canada, and his wife, Olivia Chow, live in a very modest-looking semi-detached home that is supposedly completely green. I saw this on the Rick Mercer Report, a show I watch regularly. Rick took a tour of Jack's and Olivia's house, but there's avideo on Youtube, which I haven't seen yet (cuz I'm at work and we can't get Youtube at work), but supposedly it's more comprehensive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRQ7SBkfwAg Supposedly, they can produce more energy from solar panels on their roof than they need, so they sell it back to the grid - they actually make money producing electricity (probably not a lot of money, but even so...) I'm impressed that they were able to do this in downtown Toronto and wonder what their adjoining neighbour thinks, knowing as I do how crotchety people in some parts of Toronto are about the esthetics of things... but then again, he's downtown where everyone's at least half-crazy to begin with, so I don't think the "esthetics" issue would come up. And I don't think solar panels look that bad at all, but maybe that's just me. Apparently their heating/cooling system is geothermal. Someone who retired from my office a few years ago bought some property out in the boonies and had her own completely green off-the-grid house built. This is intriguing to me and I'd love to learn more. Sometimes I like to plan for the apocalypse, y'know. You can never be too ready! I agree with you that we need to get off petroleum - for so many reasons! And you're right that, in some countries, if there are no other resources, what are you going to do? Like so many other things, you need to weigh the good against the bad and sometimes it's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. I tend to think that we in North america go with the easy way, "the way we've always done it," rather than the innovative way, and that's how we've fallen into the trap of depending on fossil fuels and relying on oil cartels and big business and thereby ending up in their grip. I've mentioned this before, at least half-joking, but wouldn't you love to see a sail-car? Cars with sails on them, like sailboats. They do exist, but they need to be made more practical. It would be tough if there was no wind on a particular day, and the traffic jams would be hell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_sailing I'd also like to see money spent on doing things that benefit people and the environment, and not on finding yet more ways to kill one another. To: Marianne Rizzo ; JMDL Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 2:07:01 PM Subject: Re: 8 bil federal loan for nuclear industry, njc My brother-in-law is Vice President of a company in Canada called AECL (Atomic Energy Canada Ltd.) He started out with them years ago when he graduated from Oxford and worked his way up to where he is now. His number one priority is safety. Atomic energy in Canada is handled a little differently than in the U.S.A. AECL is a privately owned company with the Canadian government holding the majority share so they do have some control over what's going on but are not responsible for 100% of the funding for projects. There is (or was) a huge debate in Canada over whether to spend money on wind-power or another nuclear plant to power Ontario, Canada's needs. Perhaps Catherine could weigh in on that topic? I went to a Bonnie Raitt concert in the early 80s and got a T-shirt... navy blue with a red rose on the front and a small logo in the bottom front corner that read "all proceeds from the sale of this shirt go to a non-nuclear future" and I remember having an intense conversation with him about the future of energy in the world. There is a finite amount of natural resources in the world and with the way world-demand is now for energy of all types an alternate source is not speculative, it's necessary and the earlier we begin investigating and developing the better. We complain about the cost of gasoline/petrol but "if" the main source of oil is from the middle east and prices are controlled by a cartel we are pretty much held hostage to their pricing. Finding a safe, alternate source of energy is very important to our future. I have the same concerns as Marianne about disposal of spent rods etc. but technology has come a very long way since 3-Mile Island and Chernobyl. I do know that AECL built plants in Korea and India over the last 10 yrs and that those countries don't have many alternative energy sources so what are their options? As long as disposal of spent materials is one of the primary areas of research I have to say I believe that some of our future energy needs are going to require either an alternative source to fossil fuels or that each of us will have to go back to living more like indigenous tribes - - are we willing to give up our luxuries like home computers and HDTVs? My guess is mostly not. I would like to see money spent on researching other energy sources too but we knew when Obama was voted in that he wanted to spend money on developing other energy supplies and improving Nation-wide technology; now that he is are we really all that surprised? And it is a "loan" not a gift I'd be interested to see what other loans - of lesser newsworthy amounts - have been made to scientists to develop the other energy alternatives. In a bit of an extrapolation, spending money on alternatives to oil may be one of the first steps to spending less on war... Just my opinion. Warmly, Cassy Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ From: "Marianne Rizzo" http://moneymorning.com/2010/02/18/nuclear-power/ __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:12:30 +0000 From: Michael O Subject: Re: TNT tribute I watch the Joni BSN video from the TNT tribute show on Youtube from time to time. It's always a pleasure to watch. I also enjoy reading all the people's comments - ever flattering and endearing sentiments directed towards Joni. There are over 1000 commnets on this video ! Can you imagine ? Amazing ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQSlH-LLTQ Michael in Quebec, so bored by the contestants on American Idol this year... _________________________________________________________________ Check your Hotmail from your phone. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712957 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:26:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Hurt Locker I guess someone forgot to add the NJC on it. - --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Hurt Locker To: littlebreen@live.com Cc: "jonipeople LIST" Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:35 AM I can't find the Joni content in this message. Mark in Sydney __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:22:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Covers 122 still open for downloading Just in case you're interested but missed the original post: http://tinyurl.com/ye6n8rk The link is good until the 15th. Bob NP: The Morning Benders, "Sleepin' In" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:32:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: TNT tribute THis is just gorgeous, I have seen the TNT tribute and it's nice to revisit it once again. Thanks all for posting it again. I am a huge fan of the tribute itself, I remember sobbing like a baby throughout. Mags living under way too many clouds but soon to be sunny Winnipeg ... - --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Michael O wrote: From: Michael O Subject: Re: TNT tribute To: joni@smoe.org, notaro@stpt.usf.edu, "Bob Muller" Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 6:12 PM I watch the Joni BSN video from the TNT tribute show on Youtube from time to time. It's always a pleasure to watch. I also enjoy reading all the people's comments - ever flattering and endearing sentiments directed towards Joni. There are over 1000 commnets on this video ! Can you imagine ? Amazing ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQSlH-LLTQ Michael in Quebec, so bored by the contestants on American Idol this year... _________________________________________________________________ Check your Hotmail from your phone. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712957 __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:35:28 +0000 From: Michael O Subject: Re: Dan Arborise, gorgeous acoustic music, njc Bonjour Laurent, Really like this guy, thanks for the heads up. Michael in Quebec Laurent wrote: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 01:30:40 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Dan Arborise, gorgeous acoustic music, njc Hi It's been a while since i recommended a new artist. If you have been mourning the loss of John Martyn, and also Nick Drake, here is a new guy who i hope will lift your spirits as he did mine : Dan Arborise His bio is in myspace. Each sample is more beautiful than the last http://www.myspace.com/arborise Laurent _________________________________________________________________ Live connected with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712958 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:51:38 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni mention on "Mercy" (no carrion!) Dear Joniamigos: I was just channel surfing before A.I., and just happened to alight briefly upon this on an NBC show called "Mercy": An older woman, sitting in a wheelchair, said to her young caregiver: "Tonight I want a glass of Dom Perignon, some chocolate mousse, and Joni Mitchell on the record player." Ah, yes. The finer things in life! xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:34:07 -0700 From: Walt Breen Subject: Forgot the njc (njc) Yeah, sorry to all. I was responding to a posting that had "sjc" on it and I misread it as "njc" Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:26:32 -0800 From: margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: Hurt Locker To: littlebreen@live.com; mark-leon@iinet.net.au CC: joni@smoe.org I guess someone forgot to add the NJC on it. - --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Hurt Locker To: littlebreen@live.com Cc: "jonipeople LIST" Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:35 AM I can't find the Joni content in this message. Mark in Sydney Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:43:03 -0700 From: Walt Breen Subject: Joni mentioin on "Mercy" Hi all, Anybody else catch Mercy (medical show on NBC) tonite? A terminally ill woman tells her nurse she wants to go with a bottle of Dom Perignon, filet mignon and "a Joni Mitchell record playing". Good taste, no? Cheers, Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:56:02 -0700 From: Walt Breen Subject: Joni on Mercy (update) Hi, And the woman passes with River playing. Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:29:47 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Forgot the njc (njc) no need to apologize, Walt, it happens. Didnt bother me one iota ;) xo - --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Walt Breen wrote: From: Walt Breen Subject: Forgot the njc (njc) To: margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca, "Mark JonilisterAustralian" Cc: "Jonilist Jmdler" Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:34 PM Yeah, sorry to all.B I was responding to a posting that had "sjc" on it and I misread it as "njc" Walt "Little" Breen B Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground LetB all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, bJerichob, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com B Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:26:32 -0800 From: margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: Hurt Locker To: littlebreen@live.com; mark-leon@iinet.net.au CC: joni@smoe.org I guess someone forgot to add the NJC on it. - --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Hurt Locker To: littlebreen@live.com Cc: "jonipeople LIST" Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:35 AM I can't find the Joni content in this message. Mark in Sydney Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoftbs powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:53:38 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: 8 bil for nuclear, njc - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marianne Rizzo" > I believe that through conservation and renewable energy sources and > putting > this money toward natural gas for now (which is not great, I know) and > reasearch into alternatives, > > then we can do with out nulcear energy > > > > no nukes then > > and no nukes now > I don't know what the answer is. I know the need is dire for alternative energy sources. I do think the dependence on fossil fuels is interlocked with many other things. The automobile industry for one. You do away with gasoline powered machines and you make automobiles, as they exist now, pretty much obsolete. I'm sure there are powerful people who are doing everything they can to see to it that that doesn't happen. Maybe I'm cynical, maybe I'm one of those conspiracy-theory-paranoiac crazies. But that's what I think. Whatever the answer is, I'm with Marianne here. I think building more nuclear power plants is just planting more seeds of potential destruction. Radioactivity is not a health-inducing thing and it doesn't just go away. Not for a long, long, long time. Nobody has found a way to change that as far as I know. I'm not advocating energy produced by burning things that pollute the air or dumping any more nasty things into our dwindling water supply. But I do believe that air and water pollution can be dealt with and both of these things that are essential for life can be improved and, hopefully saved for us and for future generations. But as far as I'm concerned: nuclear waste = poison that nobody knows how to make go away = bad news for Mother Earth = bad news for everything that lives on this planet. I may be wrong about that. My knowledge is, at best, limited. There has to be a better alternative. And yes, whatever it is will probably mean sacrifices. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:04:22 +0100 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Re: Opening ceremony and a playlist i think it was Chuck E. and i think it was by accident. He was sharing what he was listening to and than it poured out. And this song hit me! So thanks Chuck! Oddmund Patrick you're version seems very interesting , anywhere I can find UCLA? On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:58 AM, patrick leader wrote: > hi oddmund! > > add me to the list of people who would love to see both sides now from the > olympics opening ceremonies. les posted it, but the link was dead by the > time i got around to it. > >>Imogen Heap: Hide and seek (whom I discovered through a fellow lister > and FB-person : ) > > who turned you on to hide and seek? i have a version by UCLA's accapella > group that is one of my favorite pieces of recorded music in the last two > years. i love the original, too. > >>Javeeta Steele: Calling you (from Bagdad cafe) > > what a haunting song. george michael does an absolutely terrific version on > his ep with queen. it was also regularly sung as an encore by the > magnificent mezzo-soprano (and friend of ashara) lorraine hunt, and it's on > one of her posthumous albums. her version kills me. > > patrick, lurker > > np - simple minds, hunter and the hunted ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #72 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------