From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #70 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 9 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 070 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Oscars njc [Catherine McKay ] re: Dan Arborise, gorgeous acoustic music, njc [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Oscars njc [Anita G ] Re: Dan Arborise (njc) [Walt Breen ] Re: Oscars njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Oscars njc [Gerald Notaro ] Joni and Gore: Is it just me? [Walt Breen ] Re: Joni and Gore: Is it just me? [Gerald Notaro ] River cover by Elisa and Naomi ["Pamela" ] Re: Oscars njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Oscars njc Hurt Locker [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] hi - newby [roberta@nietzsche.net] Re: hi - newby [Michael Paz ] Re: hi - newby NJC [Bob Muller ] literature [roberta@nietzsche.net] Re: Oscars njc [Richard Goldman ] Re: Oscars njc ["Mark" ] Oscars njc [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 04:34:39 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Oscars njc Absolutely, and I have to say, I chuckled that she kept winning over her ex. "The Hurt Locker" is one of the best films I've seen in a long time. Never once did I find myself getting bored or losing attention as so often happens in other films (where I start asking myself if it's over yet.) ________________________________ From: Mark To: joni Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 12:07:36 AM Subject: Oscars njc Although I have yet to see 'The Hurt Locker' it was REALLY COOL to see Barbra Streisand hand the Oscar to Kathryn Bigelow for Best Director. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:42:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: re: Dan Arborise, gorgeous acoustic music, njc Hi Laurent, thanks for sharing this. Such a beautiful sound, and indeed quite reminiscent of Martyn and Drake. I'll keep my eyes open for any gigs in the London area! Lieve - ----- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 01:30:40 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Dan Arborise, gorgeous acoustic music, njc Hi It's been a while since i recommended a new artist. If you have been mourning the loss of John Martyn, and also Nick Drake, here is a new guy who i hope will lift your spirits as he did mine : Dan Arborise His bio is in myspace. Each sample is more beautiful than the last http://www.myspace.com/arborise Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 07:25:42 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New video in Library: Hejira A new video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: Hejira - San Remo, Italy 1988 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=191 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:25:47 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Oscars njc I would add to Mark's comment: It was good to hear Babs say "finally, the time has come", even though it looked for a moment that Babs would not give the statuette to Ms. Bigelow, but rather wrest it away from her and claim it for her own, as she was snubbed for Yentl in 1983, and run off stage with it ! Did anyone else flash on that ridiculous/hilarious scenario? or was it just the sinus infection playing havoc with my mind? Egad, that was 27 years ago ! Babs won the Golden Globe for Best Director, but wasn't even nominated by Oscar for it. p.s. I was happy The Hurt Locker won all it did, and not Avatar, as much as I enjoyed Avatar... p.p.s. Steve Martin & Alec Baldwin were hilarious. The writers (Bruce Villanch, most notably, and Mr. Martin) did well. plus Mac Shaiman in the pit, and Adam Shankman choregraphing & producing, it was, to this viewer, by far the most entertaining Oscars in recent memory... ~Richard in San Francisco Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:07:36 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Oscars njc Although I have yet to see 'The Hurt Locker' it was REALLY COOL to see Barbra Streisand hand the Oscar to Kathryn Bigelow for Best Director. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:28:49 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Oscars njc I saw the Hurt Locker last Summer. Steph found it so tense and distressing that she left about mid way through. I stayed to the literally bitter end and thought it was a really fantastic film and without doubt it was the best, most thought provoking film I saw all year. It seemed to me that it had so much to comment upon regarding masculinity, comradeship and men at war. There were characters in it who had real depth. Well that's what I thought. However, I have yet to find a man who has seen it. I really am interested to know what men thought about it. Although I feel as though gender shouldn't enter into it (intellectually), it should be just a movie made by a great director, I find it interesting that it's a woman that has made this film. Do I just see it as a fantsatic comment upon masculinity and men at war simply because I'm female? Do men think 'The Hurt Locker' rings true? Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:48:28 -0700 From: Walt Breen Subject: Re: Dan Arborise (njc) Hey Laurent, great recommendation. I'd never heard of Arborise before; I loved the cuts on myspace and will definitely get his current album. Thanks, Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:02:06 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Oscars njc I also found it interesting that it was made by a woman. I didn't know that before I saw it. In fact, I didn't even notice who directed it until it was nominated. One of the things that kept me from watching it in the beginning was that I had no idea what it was about, since the title told me nothing. I still don't know what it means, and I can just guess. If there was anything to explain it in the film, I missed that part. I'm wondering whether the weird title might have contributed to its not being particularly popular but, then again, I don't imagine films on that subject have a really broad appeal to begin with. As a rule, if I had read the description, I probably wouldn't have seen it either but, for some reason, was just in the mood for something intense that particular day. I didn't realize how intense or I might have kept avoiding it but, once I started watching, I was riveted. I can completely understand why a person might walk out on it though and not want to see the whole thing. There are some extremely distressing scenes. From here on... SPOILER ALERT, so, if you haven't seen it, but are thinking about it, read no further! (If you do, it probably won't wreck it for you, but I don't want to influence anyone.) The scene that really got me is the one where the main character (I don't remember the names of the characters or actors and I like the fact that there are no big names in this film) has ended his tour and gone back to the US and is in the supermarket with his wife and child and she asks him to buy cereal, and you see him standing in this huge aisle that is stocked to the rafters with cereal of every kind possible. The usual Muzak is playing and all is calm. It's overwhelming, especially when you contrast that with the poverty and turmoil he has been through and that he will return to... likely by his choice, because that's what he has become addicted to. Not a feel-good movie, for sure. ________________________________ From: Anita G To: Catherine McKay Cc: Mark ; joni Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 11:28:49 AM Subject: Re: Oscars njc I saw the Hurt Locker last Summer. Steph found it so tense and distressing that she left about mid way through. I stayed to the literally bitter end and thought it was a really fantastic film and without doubt it was the best, most thought provoking film I saw all year. It seemed to me that it had so much to comment upon regarding masculinity, comradeship and men at war. There were characters in it who had real depth. Well that's what I thought. However, I have yet to find a man who has seen it. I really am interested to know what men thought about it. Although I feel as though gender shouldn't enter into it (intellectually), it should be just a movie made by a great director, I find it interesting that it's a woman that has made this film. Do I just see it as a fantsatic comment upon masculinity and men at war simply because I'm female? Do men think 'The Hurt Locker' rings true? Anita __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:02:36 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Oscars njc I couldn't agree more about her being snubbed for Yentl, one of the best movie musicals ever made. Would have been nice is Bigelow would have thanks Babs as a pioneer. And how cheesy was them to play I am Woman Hear Me Roar when she won. Gag me. Demeaning and sexist. Jerry On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Richard Goldman wrote: > I would add to Mark's comment: > It was good to hear Babs say "finally, the time has come", even though it > looked for a moment that Babs would not give the statuette to Ms. Bigelow, > but rather wrest it away from her and claim it for her own, as she was > snubbed for Yentl in 1983, and run off stage with it ! Did anyone else > flash on that ridiculous/hilarious scenario? or was it just the sinus > infection playing havoc with my mind? Egad, that was 27 years ago ! Babs > won the Golden Globe for Best Director, but wasn't even nominated by Oscar > for it. > > p.s. I was happy The Hurt Locker won all it did, and not Avatar, as much as > I enjoyed Avatar... > p.p.s. Steve Martin & Alec Baldwin were hilarious. The writers (Bruce > Villanch, most notably, and Mr. Martin) did well. > plus Mac Shaiman in the pit, and Adam Shankman choregraphing & producing, > it > was, to this viewer, by far the most entertaining Oscars in recent > memory... > > ~Richard in San Francisco > > Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:07:36 -0800 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Oscars njc > > Although I have yet to see 'The Hurt Locker' it was REALLY COOL to see > Barbra Streisand hand the Oscar to Kathryn Bigelow for Best Director. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:40:11 -0700 From: Walt Breen Subject: Joni and Gore: Is it just me? Hi gang, I'm a huge fan of Gore Vidal's work and life; and I'm now reading his second (and, he presumes, his last) memoir, Point to Point Navigation. I've been reading him since I happened upon his first novel, The City and the Pillar, when I was a freshman in college. Anyhoo, I've always had a teasing shock of recognition when I look at photographs of him, but not just because I've seen pictures of him before. I just now realized what it was all these years -- his cheekbones and his direct gaze remind me of La Joni. I know I'm weird, but does anyone else see this? Just wonderin', Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:52:17 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Gore: Is it just me? Certainly their demeanor, intelligence, independence, and brashness are alike. But looks? Jerry On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Walt Breen wrote: > Hi gang, > > > > I'm a huge fan of Gore Vidal's work and life; and I'm now reading his > second > (and, he presumes, his last) memoir, Point to Point Navigation. I've been > reading him since I happened upon his first novel, The City and the Pillar, > when I was a freshman in college. Anyhoo, I've always had a teasing shock > of > recognition when I look at photographs of him, but not just because I've > seen > pictures of him before. I just now realized what it was all these years -- > his cheekbones and his direct gaze remind me of La Joni. > > > > I know I'm weird, but does anyone else see this? > > > > Just wonderin', > > Walt "Little" Breen > > Let the walls come tumbling down > Let them fall right on the ground > Let all the dogs go running free > The wild and the gentle dogs > Kenneled in me > (Joni Mitchell, Jericho , 1974) > Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:59:01 +0100 From: "Pamela" Subject: River cover by Elisa and Naomi I've just discovered this interesting cover by two female italian artists: one is Elisa, very famous here in Italy as a singer and composer, I didn't know the other one Naomi. Elisa said in many interviews that Joni is one of the artists that most influenced her. Enjoy it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTzI_lWts4 Hugs, Pam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:59:56 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Oscars njc I found most of the music selections baffling, and agree that that particular choice was beyond cheesy. All in all, I found the whole thing a bit of a snoozefest though. (Literally, because I did fall asleep partway through.) I have to admit, I enjoy waiting for anything weird or inappropriate - anything from clothing choices to bizarro behaviour. For example, for the short film that won, and the director(?) producer(?) was starting his thank you speech and this woman came and basically shoved him aside and took over. I wondered WTF was up with that and learned later (because apparently a lot of us had that WTF moment at the point) that apparently she was the other half of the director/producer team named, and that the two of them had had a falling-out at some point. But still - that was kind of a Kanye vs Taylor thing and I couldn't understand at the time who she was or what she was on about. ________________________________ From: Gerald Notaro To: Richard Goldman ; Joni List Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 12:02:36 PM Subject: Re: Oscars njc I couldn't agree more about her being snubbed for Yentl, one of the best movie musicals ever made. Would have been nice is Bigelow would have thanks Babs as a pioneer. And how cheesy was them to play I am Woman Hear Me Roar when she won. Gag me. Demeaning and sexist. Jerry On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Richard Goldman wrote: > I would add to Mark's comment: > It was good to hear Babs say "finally, the time has come", even though it > looked for a moment that Babs would not give the statuette to Ms. Bigelow, > but rather wrest it away from her and claim it for her own, as she was > snubbed for Yentl in 1983, and run off stage with it ! Did anyone else > flash on that ridiculous/hilarious scenario? or was it just the sinus > infection playing havoc with my mind? Egad, that was 27 years ago ! Babs > won the Golden Globe for Best Director, but wasn't even nominated by Oscar > for it. > __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:53:48 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Oscars njc Hurt Locker It was the only film I saw in the theater in 2009. Hey, if you're only going to see one movie at the theater, at least it was the best one. I found it to be a very intense experience (to say the least) and it definitely kept my attention the whole time. While that brand of machismo is not something I can identify with, I believed the characters 100%. One of Nate's best friends dropped out of college Freshman year and joined the army. His attitude and language and behavior fits right alongside some of the characters in the film. 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I think there are about a half a dozen of us now. Funny I just was experimenting with a new capo system called the Spider Capo that I am hoping will allow me to use my acoustic guitar for some of the Joni songs I do. I do love the sound of the "soundhole on your knee", but I am a bad joke teller and it wakes me too long to retune between songs so I enjoy the VG for its quick change the tunings function. I have also spent alot of time trying to get the best acoustic guitar sounds and not process the sound so much on every song so that it is more like an acoustic. I am sure you will get some comments from the purists out there that shun in horror of the use of such a devilish device. Have fun! AND HAPPY JONI TUNINGS! Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Mar 8, 2010, at 6:05 PM, roberta@nietzsche.net wrote: Hi all I am currently waiting on a Roland V-8 - I can feel the gentle tremors of recognition in some of you already.. He he - does any of ye own one? Oriole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:35:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: hi - newby NJC Welcome Oriole - thanks for flying in to the nest. Make yourself at home. Take Mike up on his offer - he's a terrific talent and no matter where you live his gang will probably be swinging nearby soon. And ask him when he's going to officially announce the 2010 New Orleans Jonifest. Time to start making reservations. Bob NP: Charlotte Haesen, "Court And Spark" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:32:08 -0500 From: roberta@nietzsche.net Subject: literature ''...it's literature, no-one else is doing it!'' No artist has said anything as stimulating as that about song. Is she right? Does she just mean pop or all song-writers? I like the point of it though - there is a chronic facsimile device in operation reaching its glorious zenith as X-Factor type malarcky, where the image is glued onto these shallow/frightened youngsters.... a device that started with the Brill Factory, Elvis ... folk was inventive, that was its point, it told stories as they were happening, they communicated events and attitudes to them and had to be perinent, it had little to do with high salaries - just a living. Oriole ''...where some may find their paradise others just come to harm..'' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:01:30 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Oscars njc Mark, I loved Sarah Jessica Parker's Chanel gown. Call me old fashioned, but I thought she was one glamorous gal last night. Marc Shaiman composed HAIRSPRAY THE MUSICAL, which Adam Shankman directed the movie of (bad syntax, but you get the idea). And yes, ee also did a heck of a lot of Bette's albums: Thighs & Whispers, Bathouse Bette, Mud Will Be Flung Tonight, Some People's Lives, and Experience The Divine. And no, I didn't know those by heart, I had to look them up on Wikipedia. I really did think that Babs was going to snatch the Oscar away from Katherine and run off with it ... for a minute. ~Richard in San Francisco On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Mark wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gerald Notaro" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:02 AM > To: "Richard Goldman" ; "Joni List" > > Subject: Re: Oscars njc > > I couldn't agree more about her being snubbed for Yentl, one of the best >> movie musicals ever made. Would have been nice is Bigelow would have >> thanks >> Babs as a pioneer. And how cheesy was them to play I am Woman Hear Me Roar >> when she won. Gag me. Demeaning and sexist. >> >> Jerry >> >> > Oh I totally agree about 'I Am Woman'! I told Travis when they played it > that they could have done without that. So trite and as you said, Jerry, so > demeaning, not to mention cheesy. > > I also agree that 'Yentl' is a beautiful movie. I thought so the first > time I saw it and I thought so when I watched it a month or so ago on DVD > (it was FINALLY released on DVD fairly recently). I was also waiting for > Kathryn Bigelow to say something about Babs. At least about having the > award handed to her by Barbra. Barbra was definitely snubbed by the > Academy, more than once. I just thought it was so fitting that she > presented that award to Bigelow. > > What came to mind for me was the year that 'The Prince of Tides' was > nominated for 7 Oscars, including Best Picture (sounds like an ad, doesn't' > it?) and no nomination for the director, Barbra Streisand. I will never > forget Billy Crystal doing his beginning medley of song parodies about each > nominated film. To the tune of 'Don't Rain On My Parade' he sang: "Seven > nominations on the shelf/Did this film direct itself??". I nearly fell on > the floor laughing. > > And I agree with Richard. It was one of the more entertaining Oscar shows > in recent memory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Marc Shaiman have > something to do with some of Bette Midler's albums? Anyway, there was lots > of glitz and glamour and fun in the show this year. Some of the women's > dresses were gorgeous. > > But then again there was Sarah Jessica Parker. What was she thinking? Her > outfit looked like one of Liz Taylor's really bad costumes from 'Cleopatra'. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:49:10 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Oscars njc - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gerald Notaro" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:02 AM To: "Richard Goldman" ; "Joni List" Subject: Re: Oscars njc > I couldn't agree more about her being snubbed for Yentl, one of the best > movie musicals ever made. Would have been nice is Bigelow would have > thanks > Babs as a pioneer. And how cheesy was them to play I am Woman Hear Me Roar > when she won. Gag me. Demeaning and sexist. > > Jerry > Oh I totally agree about 'I Am Woman'! I told Travis when they played it that they could have done without that. So trite and as you said, Jerry, so demeaning, not to mention cheesy. I also agree that 'Yentl' is a beautiful movie. I thought so the first time I saw it and I thought so when I watched it a month or so ago on DVD (it was FINALLY released on DVD fairly recently). I was also waiting for Kathryn Bigelow to say something about Babs. At least about having the award handed to her by Barbra. Barbra was definitely snubbed by the Academy, more than once. I just thought it was so fitting that she presented that award to Bigelow. What came to mind for me was the year that 'The Prince of Tides' was nominated for 7 Oscars, including Best Picture (sounds like an ad, doesn't' it?) and no nomination for the director, Barbra Streisand. I will never forget Billy Crystal doing his beginning medley of song parodies about each nominated film. To the tune of 'Don't Rain On My Parade' he sang: "Seven nominations on the shelf/Did this film direct itself??". I nearly fell on the floor laughing. And I agree with Richard. It was one of the more entertaining Oscar shows in recent memory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Marc Shaiman have something to do with some of Bette Midler's albums? Anyway, there was lots of glitz and glamour and fun in the show this year. Some of the women's dresses were gorgeous. But then again there was Sarah Jessica Parker. What was she thinking? Her outfit looked like one of Liz Taylor's really bad costumes from 'Cleopatra'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 02:52:23 -0500 From: Subject: Oscars njc Hi Mark, I was so happy for Kathryn Bigelow!! Fantastic!! A lot of the blogs today were marveling that she is 58 years old and everyone thought she was so much younger. Wow, she looks great - 60 is the new 35 ;-) What a great accomplishment for her all around. She has worked hard for years and had some setbacks and Hollywood shunning at times when some of her past movies didn't bring in the money but she hung in there. What an inspiration. It was great to see Barbra and everyone so happy for her. I swear I saw Alec Baldwin even give her a little congratulatory slap on the a**! Oh well everyone was happy. It was a pretty glamourous event this time and I think so many of the honors were well deserved this time. And to go back to comments a few weeks ago - Meryl Streep is just the greatest of them all. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #70 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------