From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #57 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 24 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 057 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc [Anita G ] NJC Joanna Newsom [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Lyric dilemma!!! [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: No Joni in Seattle [Michael Paz ] Re: NJC Joanna Newsom [Garret ] Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc [Anita G ] jm.com twittering [Paul Castle ] Re: NJC Joanna Newsom [Garret ] Re: jm.com twittering [Corey Blake ] Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Lyric dilemma!!! [Susan Tierney McNamara ] A very tiny Joni mention from the Folk Alliance list [Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc Hi Mark What you say about money is so true. It's nice to know you are fascinated! Steph and I wrote 14 articles about sportswomen for Sydney Olympic souvenir prgrammes. You can find out more about these wonderful women at our website www.olympicwomen.co.uk click on the Olympic Stories link. You should be able to get the book directly in Australia from Walla Walla Press. If you want a signed one shipped you know where I am. The big plug on the book is it's full of fantastic photos from the women's own collections. Edith Robinson died the week after the Sydney Games finished and her grandaughter wrote to tell us that Edith insisted on taking our book to hospital with her to show the doctor's and nurses who she was. One of the biggest chokes of my life, Love Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc Anita, this is an amazing story. I'm so glad you were able to do this for Edith and she obviously cherished (Hey! I used that word!) these memories and your book greatly. Mark, you are right that it's a matter of perspective. I hear people in Toronto whining about having to travel "all the way" from one end of the city to another and yet, people who live in rural or more far-flung areas thing nothing of getting in a car and driving hours just to see some damn hockey game. My brother is a prime example of this. He lives in Edmonton now and used to live in a town called Hinton, Alberta, which is about a four-hour drive from Edmonton. He and his wife would think nothing of driving from Hinton to Alberta to watch a hockey game, or they'd drive all the way to Saskatoon where my niece played hockey for the U of Saskatchewan, a much longer trip. As well, there was a period where Michael was working in Edmonton and Terry was still doing occupational health nursing in Hinton. When they bought the house in Edmonton, they kept the one in Hinton. Terry would stay in Edmonton on the weekend, get up at 4 a.m. and drive to Hinton on Monday morning to be at work, stay in the house there until Friday, then come back to Edmonton Friday night. This probably isn't a typical situation, but one they dealt with for at least a year before she retired from the plant. Now, she gets work assignments with a nursing placement agency, and is sent up to Fort McMurray for a week or so at a time (all expenses paid though, and I think they fly her up, so not a bad gig at all.) And back to the amateur status of the Olympics, I guess we're not going to turn back the hands of time, but I think it was better when people did it for the love of the game (and the glory too), but now it's all about glory - personal glory, and being number one at your sport, and there's so much pressure on individuals to represent their country and many of them feel really terrible if they don't measure up. Like so much else, it's the commercialism and the big money that wrecks it for me and makes it so much less sincere. Do you have the McDonald's ads there, like we have here? You see an Olympic athlete holding up a big Mac or McDonald's fries and talking about how they enjoy them so much, but you never actually see them take a bite. Who really believes that Olympic athletes are regularly noshing on Mickey Dee's? The frenzy to buy anything with an Olympic logo on it is huge here, as you might expect. Like many other Canadians I have my red Olympics mittens (only $10 - and they're made in China - big sigh!) Those things sell out the minute they arrive at the stores. But you can buy a Canadian red winter parka (very nice, but trimmed with real fur - coyote!) - for $500!!!! (Those are made in Canada, though, so they'd cost more, and they seem to be very well-made, but I can't afford $500 for a jacket and I have a problem with them using real fur. ________________________________ From: Anita G To: Mark-Leon Thorne Cc: Catherine McKay ; jonipeople LIST Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 4:59:44 AM Subject: Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc Hi Mark What you say about money is so true. It's nice to know you are fascinated! Steph and I wrote 14 articles about sportswomen for Sydney Olympic souvenir prgrammes. You can find out more about these wonderful women at our website www.olympicwomen.co.uk click on the Olympic Stories link. You should be able to get the book directly in Australia from Walla Walla Press. If you want a signed one shipped you know where I am. The big plug on the book is it's full of fantastic photos from the women's own collections. Edith Robinson died the week after the Sydney Games finished and her grandaughter wrote to tell us that Edith insisted on taking our book to hospital with her to show the doctor's and nurses who she was. One of the biggest chokes of my life, Love Anita __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:32:11 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: No Joni in Seattle Do we know who Joni's management is now that she's not with Macklam/ Feldman? On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:30:20 -0700 > From: "Les Irvin" > Subject: No Joni in Seattle > > Alberta Ballet has been informed by Ms. Mitchell's business manager > that she > will be unable to attend the performance of Joni Mitchell's The > Fiddle and > The Drum on February 23, 2010 in Seattle due to poor health. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:38:42 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Joanna Newsom Anyone going to pick up Joanna Newsom's latest? I have yet to read an article or review that doesn't mention Joni. I don't have her previous 2 but she intrigues me. Bob NP: The Guess Who, "American Woman" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Joni, in my opinion, is never illogical or sloppy, so going on that premise I looked up the word spectrum in the dictionary: an array of entities, as light waves or particles, ordered in accordance with the magnitudes of a common physical property,as wavelength or mass: often the band of colors produced when sunlight is passed through a prism, comprising red, orange,yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. Spectrums bend rays through prisms to make rainbows ... but another Joni device is to match letter sounds from other lines: Sunshine for dreaming Black is magic to believe in (black is usually matched with magic) Spectrums bend rainbows and days (days would then match with dreaming, where rays wouldn't) I like that correction but would love to hear feedback. Sue From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:37 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Lyric dilemma!!! I've listened to it a bunch of times and am having trouble hearing the words in the second part of the first verse. I tried to do this without paying attention to your words, so I wouldn't be influenced. ;-) Here's what I hear, with alternate possibilities. I'm completely with you on the first three lines of the first verse. I've written what I heard for the next three lines, even after listening a few times, but they don't make a lot of sense. I listened a few times more, after reading your words, and the only line I still can't really hear is the last line of the first verse, but what I hear doesn't make sense and I don't think Joni would write something like that. Here are the complete lyrics as I hear them. I'd love to hear what others think: Now comes the morning Wet with the kiss of evening Shadows fade sulking away Some shine for dreaming (this doesn't make sense, so I think "Sunshine for dreaming" is probably it - on a 5th listen, that is what I hear) Like with magic to believe in (once again, this doesn't make much sense, and it's sloppy writing, so it's probably wrong! After another few listens, I hear what you hear) Spectrums and rainbows ending (or and days) (why would spectrums and rainbows end if the sun is shining? and otherwise, why would you have a list of "spectrums and rainbows and days" - it's sloppy.)(Even after listening a bunch of times, I can't hear this properly, but I'd bet you're right.) I never saw sky so free Never so blue Morning with mystic pageantry Unveils a time for sharing love with you Come to the sunshine Sharing the quiet of knowing No need for telling you sometimes When all the answers are so plainly showing Teach me to tell you All the feelings I've been learning Tell me to teach you my heart New words are crazy Old love words keep returning All words seem wrong from the start So I will tell you with my eyes Say with a kiss Silence that asks no ifs or whys And needs no answer on a day like this Come to the sunshine Sharing the quiet of knowing No need for telling you sometimes When all the answers are so plainly showing ________________________________ From: Susan Tierney McNamara To: Catherine McKay ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 6:12:06 PM Subject: RE: Lyric dilemma!!! Thanks for that Catherine, There are even more mistakes in the first verse too - right words between **, wrong words in brackets: Now comes the morning Wet with the kiss of *evening* [midnight] Shadows *fade sulking away* [stayed sulking in the way] Sunshine for dreaming Blackest magic to believe in Spectrums *bend rainbows and rays* [and rainbows and days] ... Discussion? Les, I will forward you with corrections once the group conscience has agreed! :) ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:41 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Lyric dilemma!!! I just listened to it (Couriers Folk Club appearance) and I hear what you hear, Sue. For anyone that doesn't have this and would like to give it a listen, here you go: https://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNBYlJSSU9veE0wTVE9PQ ________________________________ From: Susan Tierney McNamara > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 4:04:57 PM Subject: Lyric dilemma!!! I'd like to challenge a lyric from an old song. On JM.com the lyrics to Come to the Sunshine read like this in the second verse, last two lines: Silence that asks and looks so wise And needs no answer on a day like this I say, that makes no sense, and what she is really singing is: Silence that asks no ifs or whys And needs no answer on a day like this Thanks to HappyTheMan for jogging my brain on this one!!! :) Take care, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu> || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer(r) 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:11:38 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: No Joni in Seattle She is still listed on their website. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Feb 23, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: Do we know who Joni's management is now that she's not with Macklam/ Feldman? On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:30:20 -0700 > From: "Les Irvin" > Subject: No Joni in Seattle > > Alberta Ballet has been informed by Ms. Mitchell's business manager > that she > will be unable to attend the performance of Joni Mitchell's The > Fiddle and > The Drum on February 23, 2010 in Seattle due to poor health. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:14:24 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: NJC Joanna Newsom I believe it is streaming on NPR Bob. Probably predictably I am a Joanna Newsome fan. I recently listened to her second album Ys for the first time in well over a year and felt like i was rediscovering the magic all over again. I grant you that her music is an acquired taste - most of my friends think she is insufferable. Her first album is easier to get into than her second. Ys, though, is unlike anything i have heard. Give her a go (although have some patience!!;-) GARRET On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:38 PM, wrote: > Anyone going to pick up Joanna Newsom's latest? I have yet to read an > article or review that doesn't mention Joni. I don't have her previous 2 > but she intrigues me. > > Bob > > NP: The Guess Who, "American Woman" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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I have my mugs (next to the > Joni ones), my socks and watch from Sydney, pens from Athens, T shirts from > Barcelonaand Beijing etc. > > And I go to the pin swap place whenever at the Games.The pin swap is > lovely because it isn't about the buying and selling, but meeting and > swapping. > > I still feel a little uncomfortable about buying into it all, especially > after all the links that Rachel sent me about some of the First People's > discomfort with the Games. The huge corporate juggernaut that it is the > Olympics can be deeply worrying. > > However, our dear Edith got to carry the Olympic torch in her wheelchair > and opened the Olympic village in Sydney - and somehow the values the > Olympics enshrine at their best ring a beautiful bell for me. Be out and > proud with those mits, Cath!! Forget the dead animal coat. > Anita x > > The frenzy to buy anything with an Olympic logo on it is huge here, as you > might expect. Like many other Canadians I have my red Olympics mittens > (only $10 - and they're made in China - big sigh!) Those things sell out > the minute they arrive at the stores. But you can buy a Canadian red winter > parka (very nice, but trimmed with real fur - coyote!) - for $500!!!! (Those > are made in Canada, though, so they'd cost more, and they seem to be very > well-made, but I can't afford $500 for a jacket and I have a problem with > them using real fur. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anita G > *To:* Mark-Leon Thorne > *Cc:* Catherine McKay ; jonipeople LIST < > joni@smoe.org> > *Sent:* Tue, February 23, 2010 4:59:44 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc > > Hi Mark > What you say about money is so true. It's nice to know you are fascinated! > Steph and I wrote 14 articles about sportswomen for Sydney Olympic souvenir > prgrammes. > > You can find out more about these wonderful women at our website > www.olympicwomen.co.uk click on the Olympic Stories link. You should be > able to get the book directly in Australia from Walla Walla Press. If you > want a signed one shipped you know where I am. The big plug on the book is > it's full of fantastic photos from the women's own collections. > > Edith Robinson died the week after the Sydney Games finished and her > grandaughter wrote to tell us that Edith insisted on taking our book to > hospital with her to show the doctor's and nurses who she was. One of the > biggest chokes of my life, > Love > Anita > > > ------------------------------ > Looking for the perfect gift?* Give the gift of Flickr!* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:28:34 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Joanna Newsom Thanks Garret - I recalled that you were a fan, and your comments pretty much echo what I've read. Her new one is over TWO HOURS long - makes for a tough introduction to be sure. I have seen several of her videos on YouTube (you were probably the source for the links) and I never really heard anything that bowled me over but I always try and keep an open mind. Bob NP: Tracy Chapman, "Be Careful Of My Heart" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I don't really get the Joni comparison, but maybe the intelligent lyrics have something to do with it. ________________________________ From: Garret To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 2:14:24 PM Subject: Re: NJC Joanna Newsom I believe it is streaming on NPR Bob. Probably predictably I am a Joanna Newsome fan. I recently listened to her second album Ys for the first time in well over a year and felt like i was rediscovering the magic all over again. I grant you that her music is an acquired taste - most of my friends think she is insufferable. Her first album is easier to get into than her second. Ys, though, is unlike anything i have heard. Give her a go (although have some patience!!;-) GARRET On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:38 PM, wrote: > Anyone going to pick up Joanna Newsom's latest? I have yet to read an > article or review that doesn't mention Joni. I don't have her previous 2 > but she intrigues me. > > Bob > > NP: The Guess Who, "American Woman" __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:46:50 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: jm.com twittering Really pleased to see some tweets starting to come through at http://twitter.com/JoniMitchellcom - just seen a nice plug for "the Bobster's Covers Project". Hope you (is that Les?) will tweet a link for the JMDL when that's back up and running (?) very best to all PaulC http://twitter.com/paulcastlemusic NP 'So Goes The Night' by Krista Detor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:50:10 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: NJC Joanna Newsom Yea, the Joni comparison (as always) falls a bit flat for me too. Were i to draw a JM and JN comparison, it would be that they both seem to approach music in a way that strikes me as fairly innovative and unique. I would heartily recommend listening to Emily in the dark. Lovely. GARRET On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > She has an odd voice that takes getting used to, and some may never get > used to it, but I find her extremely interesting for a whole bunch of > reasons. I don't really get the Joni comparison, but maybe the intelligent > lyrics have something to do with it. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Garret > *To:* Bob.Muller@fluor.com > *Cc:* joni@smoe.org > *Sent:* Tue, February 23, 2010 2:14:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: NJC Joanna Newsom > > I believe it is streaming on NPR Bob. Probably predictably I am a Joanna > Newsome fan. I recently listened to her second album Ys for the first time > in well over a year and felt like i was rediscovering the magic all over > again. I grant you that her music is an acquired taste - most of my > friends > think she is insufferable. Her first album is easier to get into than her > second. Ys, though, is unlike anything i have heard. > Give her a go (although have some patience!!;-) > GARRET > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:38 PM, wrote: > > > Anyone going to pick up Joanna Newsom's latest? I have yet to read an > > article or review that doesn't mention Joni. I don't have her previous 2 > > but she intrigues me. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: The Guess Who, "American Woman" > > ------------------------------ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the > boot with the *All-new Yahoo! Mail * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:55:55 -0800 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: jm.com twittering Cool, thanks for passing the word. Am now following. @coreyblake in case anyone else here is on Twitter. - -Corey On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > Really pleased to see some tweets starting to come > through at http://twitter.com/JoniMitchellcom - just > seen a nice plug for "the Bobster's Covers Project". > > Hope you (is that Les?) will tweet a link for the > JMDL when that's back up and running (?) > > very best to all > PaulC > http://twitter.com/paulcastlemusic > > NP 'So Goes The Night' by Krista Detor > - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com Mailing List - http://coreyblake.googlepages.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc It was Rachel who made me think about these things to begin with and I guess that's always an issue when it comes to BIG EVENTS. Much of Vancouver (maybe all of it?) is on native land and there's also the HUGE poverty in Vancouver. When the kids and I were there a few years ago, we had been warned about the poor part of town but we were still overwhelmed with what we saw when we drove down Hastings. There are just SO many people apparently living on the street (and going business in lord-knows-what right in public) that it makes even the worst parts of Toronto look like pleasant suburbs by comparison. And apparently they were moving people out - getting them out of sight, that is - rather than doing anything to help them find homes. Isn't that always how it is? We basically pretend that homeless people don't exist - I'm as guilty of this as anyone. It may be the case that people who have no home and no money start heading west and, once they reach the coast and can go no further, just stay there, and maybe that's why there are so many drug addicts and homeless people. Or maybe it's that Vancouver is a port (Toronto doesn't count as a port, even if we have docks, because we're just a Great Lakes city, and not an international port at all). As well, the fact that, like many west coast cities, it's caught between the ocean and the mountains, means that it's mostly high rises and housing is incredibly expensive, which probably emphasizes the gap between rich and poor and edges out the middle class more than many other places (including Toronto, which I constantly complain about.) So, while I liked BC very much and liked the areas around Vancouver, I wasn't that crazy about the city itself. However, if I were much younger and the kind of person who like to go out a lot, I'm sure I'd love it. One of the great things about it is that you can drive a short distance from the city and be completely away from it - up in the mountains. where I live, you have to go a LONG way before you reach countryside. Here it's basically one big suburb all along Lake Ontario and the only thing that changes is the name of the municipality. ________________________________ From: Anita G To: Catherine McKay Cc: Mark-Leon Thorne ; jonipeople LIST Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 2:27:07 PM Subject: Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc > However, our dear Edith got to carry the Olympic torch in her wheelchair > and opened the Olympic village in Sydney - and somehow the values the > Olympics enshrine at their best ring a beautiful bell for me. Be out and > proud with those mits, Cath!! Forget the dead animal coat. > Anita x > > The frenzy to buy anything with an Olympic logo on it is huge here, as you > might expect. Like many other Canadians I have my red Olympics mittens > (only $10 - and they're made in China - big sigh!) Those things sell out > the minute they arrive at the stores. But you can buy a Canadian red winter > parka (very nice, but trimmed with real fur - coyote!) - for $500!!!! (Those > are made in Canada, though, so they'd cost more, and they seem to be very > well-made, but I can't afford $500 for a jacket and I have a problem with > them using real fur. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anita G > *To:* Mark-Leon Thorne > *Cc:* Catherine McKay ; jonipeople LIST < > joni@smoe.org> > *Sent:* Tue, February 23, 2010 4:59:44 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Happy Birthday and snowboarders now njc > > Hi Mark > What you say about money is so true. It's nice to know you are fascinated! > Steph and I wrote 14 articles about sportswomen for Sydney Olympic souvenir > prgrammes. > > You can find out more about these wonderful women at our website > www.olympicwomen.co.uk click on the Olympic Stories link. You should be > able to get the book directly in Australia from Walla Walla Press. If you > want a signed one shipped you know where I am. The big plug on the book is > it's full of fantastic photos from the women's own collections. > > Edith Robinson died the week after the Sydney Games finished and her > grandaughter wrote to tell us that Edith insisted on taking our book to > hospital with her to show the doctor's and nurses who she was. One of the > biggest chokes of my life, > Love > Anita > > > ------------------------------ > Looking for the perfect gift?* Give the gift of Flickr!* > I still feel a little uncomfortable about buying into it all, especially > after all the links that Rachel sent me about some of the First People's > discomfort with the Games. The huge corporate juggernaut that it is the > Olympics can be deeply worrying. > __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:57:02 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Joanna Newsom FWIW, the review I was reading this AM compared them in terms of their non-conventional song structure. Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Washing Machine" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:04:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: jm.com twittering I've just been following it on Face Book. Jimmy In a message dated 2/23/2010 3:03:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, coreyblake@gmail.com writes: > Cool, thanks for passing the word. Am now following. > > @coreyblake in case anyone else here is on Twitter. > > -Corey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lyric dilemma!!! I hope at least one other person chimes in on this. I have to say, i'm enjoying this. It makes me realize how carefully structured many of Joni's early songs were. I've listened to the song a bunch more times and still have difficulty making out that one line with spectrums and rainbows. However, I, for one, will accept your interpretation because it makes a lot of sense and fits with the logic of the song. I have this song stuck in my mind now, but that's OK. It's a very pretty song and I love the vocal range too. Joni gets to sing what I think are some true alto notes, along with higher ones (maybe they're soprano, maybe mezzo, what do I know?) Also, if the rainbow/spectrum is formed from white light passing through the prism, it's a nice job of matching that (light/day) with the black-is-magic (black is also the absence of colour and the colour of night) and it fits in with a lot of other "opposites" in the song (old words vs new words vs silence and so on.) Cool song. It's a really hippy song (or is it hippie? sigh - they both look wrong to me), a really girly song, but not out of date, sez I. I have to admit, I've seen what I figured were some incorrect lyrics on the site (haven't checked recently, so maybe they've been corrected), but I kept forgetting to mention them. That's what happens when you multi-task, I guess - nothing gets done! ________________________________ From: Susan Tierney McNamara To: Catherine McKay ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 9:52:52 AM Subject: RE: Lyric dilemma!!! Joni, in my opinion, is never illogical or sloppy, so going on that premise I looked up the word spectrum in the dictionary: an array of entities, as light waves or particles, ordered in accordance with the magnitudes of a common physical property,as wavelength or mass: often the band of colors produced when sunlight is passed through a prism, comprising red, orange,yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. Spectrums bend rays through prisms to make rainbows ... but another Joni device is to match letter sounds from other lines: Sunshine for dreaming Black is magic to believe in (black is usually matched with magic) Spectrums bend rainbows and days (days would then match with dreaming, where rays wouldn't) I like that correction but would love to hear feedback. Sue __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:17:15 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Lyric dilemma!!! Tell me about multi-tasking. I'm trying to research a hedge fund manager, think about rainbows and spectrums and update my knitting blog at the same time (while my boss replies to my IChing reading on my facebook!) How does a girl get anything done! :) OK, I won't reply to this thread till a third or fourth party chimes in!! Loveyas, Sue From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:57 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Lyric dilemma!!! I hope at least one other person chimes in on this. I have to say, i'm enjoying this. It makes me realize how carefully structured many of Joni's early songs were. I've listened to the song a bunch more times and still have difficulty making out that one line with spectrums and rainbows. However, I, for one, will accept your interpretation because it makes a lot of sense and fits with the logic of the song. I have this song stuck in my mind now, but that's OK. It's a very pretty song and I love the vocal range too. Joni gets to sing what I think are some true alto notes, along with higher ones (maybe they're soprano, maybe mezzo, what do I know?) Also, if the rainbow/spectrum is formed from white light passing through the prism, it's a nice job of matching that (light/day) with the black-is-magic (black is also the absence of colour and the colour of night) and it fits in with a lot of other "opposites" in the song (old words vs new words vs silence and so on.) Cool song. It's a really hippy song (or is it hippie? sigh - they both look wrong to me), a really girly song, but not out of date, sez I. I have to admit, I've seen what I figured were some incorrect lyrics on the site (haven't checked recently, so maybe they've been corrected), but I kept forgetting to mention them. That's what happens when you multi-task, I guess - - nothing gets done! ________________________________ From: Susan Tierney McNamara To: Catherine McKay ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 9:52:52 AM Subject: RE: Lyric dilemma!!! Joni, in my opinion, is never illogical or sloppy, so going on that premise I looked up the word spectrum in the dictionary: an array of entities, as light waves or particles, ordered in accordance with the magnitudes of a common physical property,as wavelength or mass: often the band of colors produced when sunlight is passed through a prism, comprising red, orange,yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. Spectrums bend rays through prisms to make rainbows ... but another Joni device is to match letter sounds from other lines: Sunshine for dreaming Black is magic to believe in (black is usually matched with magic) Spectrums bend rainbows and days (days would then match with dreaming, where rays wouldn't) I like that correction but would love to hear feedback. Sue ________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:56:30 -0500 From: Steve Dulson Subject: A very tiny Joni mention from the Folk Alliance list Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:39:16 -0500 From: "Joel Mabus" Subject: [Folk-Alliance] Loring Janes RIP To: "Folk Alliance Traditional listserv" , "Folk Alliance listserv" , "farmfolk list" Just a word here to say Loring Janes passed away this morning at 7 AM at his home in Comstock MI. I am not nearly qualified to script an adequate bio here. Some of you knew Loring. He was a crusty character who had a hand in the trad world of blues and a hand in the making of the folk scene of the early 60s. He toured as sideman for folks like Jim Post and Chuck Mitchell in the old days. The story goes he was there when Chuck first met wife-to-be Joni, who was playing guitar at a small folk club in Detroit. Chuck said "nice legs" and Loring said "nice left hand!" Loring used to tell the story of gigging in Greenwich Village and walking over to say hi to his friend Buffy Ste. Marie who was sitting at a table with some short haired guy picking on a banjo. Turns out the guy was Elvis Presley just back from his army tour of Germany. He also studied guitar with Rev Gary Davis. It was the Rev. Davis who married Loring and his wife. Most of us here in Michigan knew Loring in his life after he quit the road and settled in Kalamazoo. He helped found the K'zoo Folklife Organization, where he ran sound pretty much every gig. (Ran sound several times for the FARM conference when held in West Michigan) Also was a good hand at repairing old guitars when you could talk him into it. And he was a heck of a picker and raconteur. Final arrangements will be handled by Langeland Funeral Home in Kalamazoo, MI. Joel Mabus ___________________________ email to: joel.mabus@pobox.com website: http://joelmabus.com/ *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:54:53 -0800 (PST) From: ann jensen Subject: Fw: A very tiny Joni mention from the Folk Alliance list there's a few more anedotes about joni/open tuning/nice legs here fyi... http://www.bonniejocampbell.com/loring.html > From: Steve Dulson > Subject: A very tiny Joni mention from the Folk Alliance list > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 6:56 PM > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:39:16 -0500 > > From: "Joel Mabus" > Subject: [Folk-Alliance] Loring Janes RIP > To: "Folk Alliance Traditional listserv" , > "Folk Alliance listserv" , > "farmfolk list" > > Just a word here to say Loring Janes passed away this > morning at 7 AM at his home in Comstock MI. > > I am not nearly qualified to script an adequate bio > here. Some of you knew > Loring. He was a crusty character who had a hand in > the trad world of blues > and a hand in the making of the folk scene of the early > 60s. He toured as > sideman for folks like Jim Post and Chuck Mitchell in the > old days. The story > goes he was there when Chuck first met wife-to-be Joni, who > was playing guitar > at a small folk club in Detroit. Chuck said "nice > legs" and Loring said "nice left hand!" > > Loring used to tell the story of gigging in Greenwich > Village and walking over > to say hi to his friend Buffy Ste. Marie who was sitting at > a table with some > short haired guy picking on a banjo. Turns out the > guy was Elvis Presley just > back from his army tour of Germany. > > He also studied guitar with Rev Gary Davis. It was > the Rev. Davis who married Loring and his wife. > > Most of us here in Michigan knew Loring in his life after > he quit the road and > settled in Kalamazoo. He helped found the K'zoo > Folklife Organization, where > he ran sound pretty much every gig. (Ran sound several > times for the FARM > conference when held in West Michigan) Also was a good hand > at repairing old > guitars when you could talk him into it. And he was a > heck of a picker and raconteur. > > Final arrangements will be handled by Langeland Funeral > Home in Kalamazoo, MI. > > Joel Mabus > ___________________________ > email to: joel.mabus@pobox.com > website: http://joelmabus.com/ > > *************************************************** > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA > tinkersown@ca.rr.com > > "Folk Alliance Region - West" > www.far-west.org ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #57 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------