From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #47 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 14 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 047 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! ["Mark" ] Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! [Anita G ] Re: website [Catherine McKay ] Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! [Kate Johnson ] Joni topics [] Brief Joni mention on talk radio [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni topics ["Mark" ] Stranded in Cleveland (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni topics [Bob Muller ] Re: 1988 Interview for Dutch radio, and Joni with a fake Tim Buckley in Coconut Grove [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! [Anita G ] Re: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! [Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! What an honor for Joni and what a beautiful moment. I had tears rolling down my face. And then k. d. lang singing Cohen's Hallelujah. Beautiful but I have to wonder if people really listen to the lyrics of that song. They called it a song of peace. Do they just hear a pretty melody and the word hallelujah? Anyway, I was proud for both Joni & k. d. Canada, you rock! Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Catherine McKay" Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:41 PM To: "Michael O" ; Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! > Wasn't that amazing? I'm so glad I had no idea it was coming. There's > nothing > like a really good surprise. > > And did you catch the Alberta ballet dancing in > the trees? More Joni connections! > > I'm so impressed with myself for > recognizing their style before anyone said who they were. > ________________________________ > From: Michael O > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:11:25 PM > Subject: Worldwide > Joni at the Winter Olympics! > > Wow, so friggin' cool!! I just heard the > orchestral version of BSN featured as > part of the Vancouver Olympic Opening > Ceremonies show. Joni's voice beaming > out to the entire world with the > greatest beauty, accompanied by a fellow from > the National Circus School > interpreting the song as a dance, in a flying solo > act. The crowd present > seemed enraptured. Just magical ! > > Michael in Quebec > __________________________________________________________________ > Make your > browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. > Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at > http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:26:39 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! Great show, Canada. Loved it all. Jerry On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Michael O wrote: > Wow, so friggin' cool!! I just heard the orchestral version of BSN featured > as > part of the Vancouver Olympic Opening Ceremonies show. Joni's voice beaming > out to the entire world with the greatest beauty, accompanied by a fellow > from > the National Circus School interpreting the song as a dance, in a flying > solo > act. The crowd present seemed enraptured. Just magical ! > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check your Hotmail from your phone. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9708121 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! now njc I'm sure people don't listen to the lyrics and certainly don't understand them. I think most people hear the opening lines and then after that, all they hear is "Hallelujah," so they treat it like a hymn or a song about being really, really happy. ________________________________ From: Mark To: Catherine McKay ; Michael O ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 3:25:16 AM Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! ... And then k. d. lang singing Cohen's Hallelujah. Beautiful but I have to wonder if people really listen to the lyrics of that song. They called it a song of peace. Do they just hear a pretty melody and the word hallelujah? .... - -------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:10:12 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! You fortunate people that got to hear Joni's Both Sides Now at the Olympics!! I was watching it......amazed at what a spectacular show it was..... heard Sarah "One Dream" (beautiful).....then during a commercial left the room to quickly fold some laundry.....and take a bathroom break.............by the time I got back it was the very end of Joni's song (the tail-end of her voice). I couldn't believe I sat in front of the TV all that time .....then get up for a few minutes and missed most of Joni!! At least got to hear the announcer give her warm Kudos. The floor show was amazing to watch......I can imagine what it must have been like for the people actually attending. Really enjoyed the Canadian Native Dancers. Anyone on the List actually have tickets and get to go to the opening? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:29:29 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! You could download the whole show from The Pirate Bay (Shh! I didn't say that.) I'm sure the individual clips will show up on the networks and/or Youtube. I checked Youtube and ctv.ca but couldn't find anything (yet). There are clips there, but I couldn't find that one. ________________________________ From: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:10:12 AM Subject: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! You fortunate people that got to hear Joni's Both Sides Now at the Olympics!! I was watching it......amazed at what a spectacular show it was..... heard Sarah "One Dream" (beautiful).....then during a commercial left the room to quickly fold some laundry.....and take a bathroom break.............by the time I got back it was the very end of Joni's song (the tail-end of her voice). I couldn't believe I sat in front of the TV all that time .....then get up for a few minutes and missed most of Joni!! At least got to hear the announcer give her warm Kudos. The floor show was amazing to watch......I can imagine what it must have been like for the people actually attending. Really enjoyed the Canadian Native Dancers. Anyone on the List actually have tickets and get to go to the opening? Laura __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:33:59 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! Thanks Catherine! I'm going to keep checking YouTube. Laura Catherine McKay wrote: > You could download the whole show from The Pirate Bay (Shh! I didn't > say that.) I'm sure the individual clips will show up on the networks > and/or Youtube. I checked Youtube and ctv.ca but couldn't find > anything (yet). There are clips there, but I couldn't find that one. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "est86mlm@ameritech.net" > *To:* joni@smoe.org > *Sent:* Sat, February 13, 2010 8:10:12 AM > *Subject:* Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! > > You fortunate people that got to hear Joni's Both Sides Now at the > Olympics!! > > I was watching it......amazed at what a spectacular show it was..... > heard Sarah "One Dream" (beautiful).....then during a commercial left > the room to quickly fold some laundry.....and take a bathroom > break.............by the time I got back it was the very end of Joni's > song (the tail-end of her voice). > > I couldn't believe I sat in front of the TV all that time .....then > get up for a few minutes and missed most of > Joni!! At least got to hear the announcer give her warm Kudos. > > The floor show was amazing to watch......I can imagine what it must > have been like for the people actually attending. > Really enjoyed the Canadian Native Dancers. > > Anyone on the List actually have tickets and get to go to the opening? > > Laura > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email > the boot with the *All-new Yahoo! Mail * > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:56:38 +0000 From: joe farrell Subject: re:jonimitchell.com can't access jonimitchell.com at the moment.is there a problem? i was hoping to see the photos from Green Flag songbook. regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:29:08 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! I have just watched a highlight show here and am most miffed that the BSN didn't figure. I would welcome you tube link, cat, if you get one. I found the tribute to the poor Georgian luge competitor very moving. What a tragic start to the games. However, I was blown away by the diginity of the ceremony, especially the whales 'swimming' in the middle of the arena. Incredible. I noticed that Ann Murray got to carry the Olympic flag in. It reminded me of when Olivia Newton John got a grammy over Joni - sorry Ann Murray fans. I wonder if they asked Joni? I am also mindful of all the links I received from Rachel about the opposition to the Vancouver Games amongst many of the First Nations people, but others representatives certainly figured largely in the highlights here. Totem poles emerging from the floor, the four directions being honoured. It was amazing but I hear the lack of snow has meant the cancellation of the men's downhill. Is it a case of some unhappy Indian Chiefs with their old beliefs influencing the weather? Who knows. Anyway, cath, can you let me know if you find the Joni bit from the ceremony. Love to see it, Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:32:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! I was surprised and thrilled by the Joni song too...wonderful, mesmerising...made me cry haha! And the Alberta Ballet...and Gorecki gorgeous evening. Betty Fox, Rick Hansen...loved it all. kd lang, Sarah McLaughlin ... wonderful. Mags - --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Catherine McKay wrote: From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! To: "Michael O" , joni@smoe.org Received: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 12:41 AM Wasn't that amazing? I'm so glad I had no idea it was coming. There's nothing like a really good surprise. And did you catch the Alberta ballet dancing in the trees? More Joni connections! I'm so impressed with myself for recognizing their style before anyone said who they were. ________________________________ From: Michael O To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:11:25 PM Subject: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! Wow, so friggin' cool!! I just heard the orchestral version of BSN featured as part of the Vancouver Olympic Opening Ceremonies show. Joni's voice beaming out to the entire world with the greatest beauty, accompanied by a fellow from the National Circus School interpreting the song as a dance, in a flying solo act. The crowd present seemed enraptured. Just magical ! Michael in Quebec __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:01:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: 1988 Interview for Dutch radio, and Joni with a fake Tim Buckley in Coconut Grove Hi Mark! I hope you were at least a bit tongue-in-cheek when you wrote that you took offense at my comment about My Special Place! I can certainly not apologise for admitting that I find this song (and others from that period) very inferior to Joni's other work, earlier and later. Whatever they did in the studio with the voices, MSP remains in my ears a dull song. (I could go on, but I won't.) But hey Mark, you did not write that song, so why be offended about it? You like it, that's OK. We don't have to agree, do we? You probably dislike some of the songs (joni or otherwise) that I like, but I won't be upset by that. If someone does something creatively, i.e. write a poem or make a painting or compose a song, I will always be full of admiration for their effort and guts, even if I don't particularly like the end result. And I would never hurt an individual by saying the result is no good. But I think Joni has made enough good music that I love, and her ego is strong enough, to cope with the fact that I con't like this particular song. So let's not find offense where none was intended. I respect you as a person, that's more important than whether we both prefer sprouts to asparagus, right? Big hug, Lieve PS Maybe I misread you and you just wanted a vivid discussion about the merits of this song. But I thought I'd rather not go for that interpretation and diss the song further, in case it would cause further upset. (We'd never agree, I don't like Peter Gabriel either! In the end we just have to agree that our palate is quite differently shaped!) - ----------- Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:36:27 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: 1988 Interview for Dutch radio, and Joni with a fake Tim Buckley in Coconut Grove Hey Bob and Lieve. I take great offence at your dissing of MSP. I adore this song. It came out just as I was rediscovering Joni's music and I happen to be a big fan of Peter Gabriel. The orchestrating of the two voices is nothing short of brilliant. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:44:54 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! On 13-Feb-10, at 7:10 AM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > Really enjoyed the Canadian Native Dancers. > Were they the Dancers of Damelahamid? TCE added this article on them; unfortunately the photos aren't onsite yet. http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm? PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0010672 Kate http://stubblejumperscafe.pnn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:03:49 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! Some of the lights-and-banners stuff was pretty amazing. I don't get the Anne Murray fascination either, and never have, but old people like her. I don't mean old people like some of us here. I mean OLD people, like in their 80s and beyond. People who were in their 80s 40 or so years ago, when Anne Murray first came onto the scene. She puts me to sleep. Maybe that's why old people like her. I have difficulty sleeping, but I'd rather toss and turn all night than be put to sleep by Anne Murray. Sorry, Annie, I'm sure you're a nice lady and all that, but you're boring! I've never understood the whole Olivia N-J thing either. She's kind of cute, but there's nothing particularly notable about her singing. She won a Grammy? Over Joni? Gimme a break! And did we really need Nellie Fer-frikkin-tado and Brian Adams? OK, some people like them. Not me. The totem poles looked like big ice penises to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one. And speaking of poles, it's interesting how people either loved the show or hated it. A Toronto Star writer complains that it just trots out all the stereotypes about being Canadian and reinforces them. I kind of see his point, but I think it brought some of the stereotypes up to date. Like fiddle music, but played by punks. And then again, I'm torn between being impressed by the whole phenomenon that is the Olympics and wondering why they're spending so much money on this and creating such a spectacle when people are homeless and we're (Canadians, that is, but likely mostly Vancouverites) going to be paying for this for years. Maybe it's time the world toned back the spectacle and put a bit more emphasis on the sportspersonship. And how long will it be before the first doper is caught? ________________________________ From: Anita G To: est86mlm@ameritech.net Cc: Catherine McKay ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 10:29:08 AM Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! I have just watched a highlight show here and am most miffed that the BSN didn't figure. I would welcome you tube link, cat, if you get one. I found the tribute to the poor Georgian luge competitor very moving. What a tragic start to the games. However, I was blown away by the diginity of the ceremony, especially the whales 'swimming' in the middle of the arena. Incredible. I noticed that Ann Murray got to carry the Olympic flag in. It reminded me of when Olivia Newton John got a grammy over Joni - sorry Ann Murray fans. I wonder if they asked Joni? I am also mindful of all the links I received from Rachel about the opposition to the Vancouver Games amongst many of the First Nations people, but others representatives certainly figured largely in the highlights here. Totem poles emerging from the floor, the four directions being honoured. It was amazing but I hear the lack of snow has meant the cancellation of the men's downhill. Is it a case of some unhappy Indian Chiefs with their old beliefs influencing the weather? Who knows. Anyway, cath, can you let me know if you find the Joni bit from the ceremony. Love to see it, Anita x __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:04:32 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: website Anyone know what is happening with the jonimitchell.com website? It's down again. Although it appears that Joni has "retired" again because of health problems, a viable artist needs to consistently maintain a presence on the internet. Even artists who are no longer living have websites! And I know that Joni is not interested in this kind of technology. But, assuming she still has a management / pr company employed, they need to handle this. Joni's music has not been well "marketed" for the last 35-years, but that's another matter altogether. The "least" one should expect is a website that works 24/7. How could there not be a marketing budget for this? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:29:56 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: website Jonimitchell.com and jmdl.com are run entirely by volunteers. Mostly by ONE volunteer. He relies on donations, his own finances and good will, and the good will of others to keep the sites going. There were difficulties a week or two ago that crashed the website because it was getting too many hits, mostly, apparently from bots trolling the researchable section of the site. So Les made that part accessible only by people who register on the site. I'm sure we'll hear from him soon. Maybe he's in the process of updating, or switching ISPs. Or maybe the cat knocked the plug out. Although it has occurred to me that maybe Joni's management could, and should, kick in some dough to keep the site going, sites financed or run by corporations often come end up being nothing but a big marketing ploy and miss out on the love and attention that make Les's sites original, unique and comprehensive. Bit of a double-edged sword. Let's hope the problems are resolved soon. ________________________________ From: Gary Hanick To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:04:32 PM Subject: website Anyone know what is happening with the jonimitchell.com website? It's down again. Although it appears that Joni has "retired" again because of health problems, a viable artist needs to consistently maintain a presence on the internet. Even artists who are no longer living have websites! And I know that Joni is not interested in this kind of technology. But, assuming she still has a management / pr company employed, they need to handle this. Joni's music has not been well "marketed" for the last 35-years, but that's another matter altogether. The "least" one should expect is a website that works 24/7. How could there not be a marketing budget for this? __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:59:09 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! On 13-Feb-10, at 11:03 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > And how long will it be before the first doper is caught? CBC Radio reported earlier this week that there are 30 Olympic athletes that won't be competing because they've failed drug tests. I don't have a TV at my new place so missed the opening spectacle, but now, hearing you guys talk about it, wish I'd seen it. I'm not a sports fan (except for figure skating and curling, both of which I enjoy watching, but rarely do) but one year I happened to watch the opening ceremonies of the Olympics and was surprised at how moved I was. To see all those countries of the world participating in the lighting of the torch was a symbolic act that had a profound effect on me and hasn't been forgotten. In spite of all the terrible problems this world has, most people support and appreciate the best of human values - one of which might be "putting our best feet forward," represented in a small way by the extreme physical accomplishment of Olympic athletes and the way they challenge themselves to improve and maintain their skills. There are politics and there are politics upon politics and the Olympics, like everything public on a worldwide scale, are subject to them. There's a lot that should be done differently, that's for sure. But I wish I'd seen the opening ceremony anyway. It sounds like it was inspiring to some and I remember what that felt like. As a citizen of the planet, I and probably most of us could use that kind of inspiration. How thrilling that they used Joni's music in such a visible way. It's about damn time she was properly celebrated by this country. She's one of our very best and, in my opinion, unsurpassed in her creative and beautiful expression of human understanding. (Wish I could find the right words, but no -- never have.) Canada SHOULD be proud of her. And way more Canadians should be listening to her music. I can't figure out why they aren't. Maybe now ... a little thing like the Olympic opening reaches a lot of people, both music lovers and not. If anyone does see the ceremonies available on Youtube, please do post the link. Kate http://stubblejumperscafe.pnn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:33:57 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! That *was* totally cool. I was surprised they played the whole thing, being it's kind of long, and some might say ponderous, even weary, but I found it transfixing in combination with the acrobatics and lights. After all, this is surely Canada's most famous song ever, right? So good to hear Joni's voice, and know that millions got dosed by it. RR From: "Michael O" > Wow, so friggin' cool!! I just heard the orchestral version of BSN > featured as > part of the Vancouver Olympic Opening Ceremonies ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:16:54 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: jonimitchell.com Yes, we were shut down again... hope to have it resolved sooner than the last time. - -----Original Message----- can't access jonimitchell.com at the moment.is there a problem? i was hoping to see the photos from Green Flag songbook. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:20:39 -0500 From: Subject: Joni topics It was a wonderful surprise watching the Olympics to hear Joni singing BSN during the Prairies segment! I got a little tear and wished she could have been there at the piano singing it. It was great that dancers from the Alberta ballet were there - I wondered if that were them. It was a beautiful show. Maybe by some magic Joni will make an official appearance at the Closing ceremonies. I bought the Joni-autographed Green Flag book in L.A. It was at least $200. I do think Lev should come down a bit more on the unsigned version. At work the other day I heard an instrumental cover of a Joni song played on the local jazz station with some comment that it was performed by some longtime famous jazz guy. I diligently looked up more info and then said "bah, why bother, Bob will surely already have it." LOL I have now completely forgotten the song and the artist already knowing Bob probably has it "covered." ;-) Hope everyone is staying warm and dry. I saw an article that 49 of the 50 states now have snow on the ground. (Hawaii usually always has some on top of Mauna Kea, but they are dry right now.) The mountains around L.A. looked positively Alpine. It's been like a refrigerator on the ground here the past few weeks but we are due for a frreak 80 degrees Sunday and Monday. Happy Valentine's day to everyone. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:29:18 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Brief Joni mention on talk radio At the news/talk station of the cluster of stations I work for, the host Hugh Hewitt briefly mentioned Joni Mitchell. From time to time, Hugh Hewitt plays songs in between of new artists he likes or tries to showcase and after he played a bit from some folky sounding singer-songwriter girl, he said, "She has some Joni Mitchell in her" (or something to that extent). Nothing too exciting or life changing but still nice to hear a Joni mention unexpectedly. - -M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:40:45 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: jonimitchell.com Hey Les, It sounds like an ongoing headache. We really do all appreciate your efforts. Thanks, GARRET On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > Yes, we were shut down again... hope to have it resolved sooner than the > last time. > > -----Original Message----- > can't access jonimitchell.com at the moment.is there a problem? i was > hoping > to see the photos from Green Flag songbook. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:41:47 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni topics - -------------------------------------------------- From: > It was a wonderful surprise watching the Olympics to hear Joni singing BSN > during the Prairies segment! I got a little tear and wished she could > have > been there at the piano singing it. The first chord played and I told Travis 'That sounds like the beginning of 'Both Sides Now'. The beginning orchestral chords were looped for a bit before the song actually started but, sure enough, I was right. For those who didn't see it, the segment was touching and visually stunning as well. The floor of the arena had a rectangular shot of what looked like a wheat field projected on a background of sky blue. This rectangle moved from place to place on the floor while the song played and at some point the wheat field covered the whole floor. The young man who did the aerial acrobatics started on the floor. At the point where Joni sings 'I've looked at clouds from both sides now' he was lifted up toward the ceiling of the arena. He dove, tumbled, twirled and danced during the whole song. It gave me the impression of a young person, full of the wonder of discovery, learning as he goes, tumbling back to earth sometimes, being lifted into the clouds at other times. The NBC announcer called Joni Canada's great singer and songwriter and said BSN was perhaps her most famous or well-known song. > > Hope everyone is staying warm and dry. I saw an article that 49 of the 50 > states now have snow on the ground. (Hawaii usually always has some on > top of > Mauna Kea, but they are dry right now.) The mountains around L.A. looked > positively Alpine. It's been like a refrigerator on the ground here the > past > few weeks but we are due for a frreak 80 degrees Sunday and Monday. I have been feeling *so* lucky because we have had a wonderfully mild winter here so far. After last year I don't care if I never see another snow flake. I hope the others east, north and even south of here are bearing up ok under the stab and glare and buckshot of the heavy, heavy snow. > > Happy Valentine's day to everyone. Same to you, Kakki. Mark in Seattle seeing his posts on the list again. A couple seemed to have dropped off into the ether in the past few days. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:06:04 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Stranded in Cleveland (NJC) Well I thought I was going home to the Mardi Gras this morning but I our flight via Atlanta was cancelled. The best thing I could find out of the area was a Southwest flight tomorrow morning out of Cleveland. So here I am stranded in Cleveland. Hello Cleveland! Do any listers live here? I thought that Jim might have moved here. Does anybody know. Luv Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni topics Well, you never know, but you're probably right. Just had lunch with my Dad (a retired weatherman) and he made the same comment about the 49 of 50 states, and that it has never been recorded that all 50 states simultaneously had snow. We had a pretty good dusting but it's all pretty much gone now. Bob NP: Widow, "This Flight Tonight" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:48:18 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: 1988 Interview for Dutch radio, and Joni with a fake Tim Buckley in Coconut Grove Yes Lieve, my tongue was in my cheek because I was trying to poke it out at you. I realise that some people like some of Joni's songs and not others but, I felt that I needed to defend MSP. Just like when some people came forward to defend Dancin' Clown when Bob revealed his true feelings of that song. I would have been in that chorus but I felt there were enough voices to stick up for DC. I have actually met people who don't even like Joni's music at all. Can you believe they actually exist? I don't get it but, then, I don't get Christians either. It's the differences that make up the world and keep it interesting. I enjoy the way that Joni thinks and her creativity so, there isn't a song of hers that I don't like. My iTunes play count will tell you that there are some songs that get played more than others but I enjoy Joni as a whole - even her playful, silly side. I love that MSP represents a time in her life when she was experiencing passion and affection. Lyrically, it talks about breaking down walls so, it holds some lessons for me. I love the unusual sound techniques she employs (or maybe it's Larry Klein) and the combination of Peter Gabriel's voice with hers is delicious to my ears. It is the similarity which I find surprising and intriguing. I used to listen to that song and try to distinguish who was singing which line. In her interview with Rock Arena's Suzanne Dowling, Joni explains that the effect was what the song was all about - how two people can become so close that they seem to be one, they become entwined. As bland as some people might think CMIARS is, I find it fascinating. It marked yet another change in direction for Joni and explored new territory for her. She learned new instruments, performed with some very interesting people. She also experimented with film making by making music videos which she had never really done before. No Lieve, I'm not upset. How can anyone get upset with what people like or dislike. My Secret Place just is. I just never could understand why the whole world doesn't think Pavlova is the food of the Gods. If I expressed any negative emotions, just chalk it up to the fact that I quit smoking a few months ago. Get it? It's just a chalk mark in a rain storm. Mark in (rainy) Sydney NP Dancin' Clown - Joni Mitchell and Billy Idol On 14/02/2010, at 3:01 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Hi Mark! I hope you were at least a bit tongue-in-cheek when you > wrote that you took offense at my comment about My Special Place! > I can certainly not apologise for admitting that I find this song > (and others from that period) very inferior to Joni's other work, > earlier and later. Whatever they did in the studio with the voices, > MSP remains in my ears a dull song. (I could go on, but I won't.) > But hey Mark, you did not write that song, so why be offended about > it? You like it, that's OK. We don't have to agree, do we? You > probably dislike some of the songs (joni or otherwise) that I like, > but I won't be upset by that. > > If someone does something creatively, i.e. write a poem or make a > painting or compose a song, I will always be full of admiration for > their effort and guts, even if I don't particularly like the end > result. And I would never hurt an individual by saying the result > is no good. But I think Joni has made enough good music that I > love, and her ego is strong enough, to cope with the fact that I > con't like this particular song. So let's not find offense where > none was intended. I respect you as a person, that's more important > than whether we both prefer sprouts to asparagus, right? > Big hug, > Lieve > > PS Maybe I misread you and you just wanted a vivid discussion about > the merits of this song. But I thought I'd rather not go for that > interpretation and diss the song further, in case it would cause > further upset. (We'd never agree, I don't like Peter Gabriel > either! In the end we just have to agree that our palate is quite > differently shaped!) > ----------- > > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:36:27 +1100 > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > Subject: Re: 1988 Interview for Dutch radio, and Joni with a fake > Tim Buckley in Coconut Grove > > Hey Bob and Lieve. > > I take great offence at your dissing of MSP. I adore this song. It > came out just as I was rediscovering Joni's music and I happen to be a > big fan of Peter Gabriel. The orchestrating of the two voices is > nothing short of brilliant. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:29:54 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Joni topics On 13-Feb-10, at 1:41 PM, Mark wrote: > At the point where Joni sings 'I've looked at clouds from both > sides now' he was lifted up toward the ceiling of the arena. He > dove, tumbled, twirled and danced during the whole song. Ah! Maybe he was one of the Aeriosa Dance troupe! Forgive me for plugging the Canadian Encyclopedia, but as editor of the dance section I was asked to add articles on several companies and performers who would be part of the cultural olympiad, and the Aeriosa dance company is pretty unique: http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm? PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0010668 Check out the links beneath the article to see them in action. Kate - -- Kate Johnson, subject editor architecturedancefilmtheatre The Canadian Encyclopedia http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com The Canadian Encyclopedia, the most respected authority on all things Canadian for more than 20 years, is now available free online. It is used by students across the country and Canadians around the world. The Historica-Dominion Institute is Canadas largest organization dedicated to Canadian history, identity and citizenship. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE : The content of this e-mail is confidential, may be privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. Any other person is strictly prohibited from disclosing, distributing or reproducing it. Thank you. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITI : Le contenu de ce courriel est confidentiel, peut jtre protigi par le secret professionnel et est ` l'usage exclusif du destinataire mentionni ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les prisentes avisie qu'il lui est strictement interdit de diffuser, distribuer ou reproduire ce message. Merci. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/tiff which had a name of pastedGraphic.tiff] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:30:51 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! Catherine wrote: "The totem poles looked like big ice penises to me." Must be worth studying, then :~) Anita ( a lesbian watching the luge but very tired in the middle of the night) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:23:01 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: BSN Olympic video In case you missed it. MOV version (68megs): https://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNEaXRKYUlrUm5IRGc9PQ AVI version (82 megs): https://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNEaXRCZEtTRTZGa1E9PQ Les, trying to divert attention away from jm.com being down. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:33:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Re: Worldwide Joni at the Winter Olympics! Hello Kate. I was finally able to see it all here: http://www.nbc.com/2010-winter-olympics/video/ BUT you have to sign in, give you name, address, phone #, and cable provider. If you don't have TV, you might not be able to watach :-( I sobbed through all of BSN. So incredibly moving, it's hard to decribe. And how appropriate, given the death of the Georgian luger. To see k.d. land doing an amazing job on Hallelujiah after that was beyond description. I do wonder if Joni was invited in person - I suspect so. How sad that she couldn't be there. I hope she can feel proud of the way her music has touched so many. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #47 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------