From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #24 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 23 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 024 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Ronstadt on You Tube, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NJC - going backwards with Scott Brown ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc ["Gary Z." ] Re: American Idol Joni cover [Michael Paz ] going backwards with Scott Brown, now w/ some ooby shooby Joni content [P] RE: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Ronstadt on You Tube, njc ["Mark" ] Re: Ronstadt on You Tube, njc [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc ["Mark" ] Re: 10,000 miles NJC ["Mark" ] speaking of Grace njc ["Mark" ] Re: Vincent (njc) [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Chuck Mitchell, another (NJC) ["Mark" ] Re: If..... [fmyfl@aol.com] Re: Vincent (njc) ["Mark" ] Re: If..... [Anita G ] Re: If..... [Bob Muller ] Re: Ronstadt on You Tube, njc [Bob Muller ] Re: speaking of Grace njc [Em ] Re: Vincent (njc) [Jimmy Stewart ] Me, too, dammit! & using Joni's song for defiance and healing [Walt Breen] Re: If..... [Michael Paz ] Re: If..... [Vince ] Re: Me, too, dammit! & using Joni's song for defiance and healing [Bob Mu] Re: If..... ["Mark" ] Re: If..... [revrvl@gmail.com] RE: If..... [Deb Messling ] RE: If..... ["Richard Flynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:38:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Ronstadt on You Tube, njc Desperado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djP8zIwCp3I Gees, she was easy on the eyes and sang like gangbusters, "jus' like I pitchered it". She had it all, wow. There are lots of good videos of Linda but I couldn't find the Christmas show on SNL where she backed up Paul Simon. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:00:10 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC - going backwards with Scott Brown Anne said, in part, >Since WHEN do corporations have the same rights as citizens?> I agree that this is a dangerous ruling but that's why we have 3 branches; the legislature can draft something to stop corporations from participating any more than they already do in our elections. (I'm leaning more towards the democrats every day.) I'm not an MBA but I took one undergraduate course in Business Law. There are 2 similarities (that I remember) between citizens and corporations. In a sole proprietorship, if the business is sued, all of the proprietor's assets are vulnerable. The way I remember it, way back in Brit law, they described a corporation as if it was a make-believe citizen. When sued, the corporation was liable for its own actions and failures but the assets of the owners were not vulnerable. (When GM went under, the stock price dropped but the private assets of the stockholders were not vulnerable.) The other thing was income tax. Because corporations are make-believe citizens, in the USA they pay federal income tax just like real people do. And you know there may be more... Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:05:41 +0100 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: Re: Re: NJC - going backwards with Scott Brown b +Since WHEN do corporations have the same rights as citizens?????? WTF happened to "We the people..." It's not "We the corporate entities..."b * Hi Anne, I know your question is rhetorical, but I think the answer is, in fact, 1886, when the US Supreme Court decided that because corporations were blegal personsb (due to various 19th century changes) they should be protected by the Fourteenth Amendmentbs right to 'due process of law' and 'equal protection of the laws'; rights originally entrenched in the Constitution to protect freed slaves. See Joel Bakanbs book bThe Corporationb (or the documentary based on it (Achbar, Abbott and Bakan)) for a wonderful account of the rise of the Corporation. mike in bcn np too much monkey business b Chuck Berry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:38:37 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc Ooh, I want to read this. I got a Smothers Brothers DVD for Christmas. It's interesting to see what has aged well and what hasn't. The chorus and dancers with their cute matching sweaters are so "edgy," man! Some of the social commentary sounds quaint, and of course the writers were completely oblivious to the sins of sexism and homophobia. On the other hand, many of the bits are still laugh-out-loud funny. And sadly, much of the social commentary, about war and racisim and misplaced national priorities, could have been written yesterday. At 06:52 PM 1/22/2010, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Here are some things I learned in a book called "Dangerously Funny" >about the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. > >* They helped to break several hit songs including "Classical Gas", >"Wichita Lineman", "Happy Together", and many more. >* Tommy, the dopey one, was the older brother. >* Tommy recruited lots of cutting edge musicians and made many creative >decisions. >* The serious brother, Dick, just showed up to deliver his lines and hit >the marks. >* They made fun of Nixon even before he took office. >* "Waist Deep In A Big Muddy" was a Pete Seeger song; it was not written >by Richard Shindell. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:16:16 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc I think I want to read this one too. I just had a look at Youtube and it brought back some old memories - those weird suits the Smotherses wore - and the turtlenecks! But their show was well ahead of its time in many ways, and they had some great guests. ________________________________ From: Deb Messling To: Jim L'Hommedieu ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 8:38:37 AM Subject: Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc Ooh, I want to read this. I got a Smothers Brothers DVD for Christmas. It's interesting to see what has aged well and what hasn't. The chorus and dancers with their cute matching sweaters are so "edgy," man! Some of the social commentary sounds quaint, and of course the writers were completely oblivious to the sins of sexism and homophobia. On the other hand, many of the bits are still laugh-out-loud funny. And sadly, much of the social commentary, about war and racisim and misplaced national priorities, could have been written yesterday. At 06:52 PM 1/22/2010, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Here are some things I learned in a book called "Dangerously Funny" >about the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. > >* They helped to break several hit songs including "Classical Gas", >"Wichita Lineman", "Happy Together", and many more. >* Tommy, the dopey one, was the older brother. >* Tommy recruited lots of cutting edge musicians and made many creative >decisions. >* The serious brother, Dick, just showed up to deliver his lines and hit >the marks. >* They made fun of Nixon even before he took office. >* "Waist Deep In A Big Muddy" was a Pete Seeger song; it was not written >by Richard Shindell. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc <* They helped to break several hit songs including "Classical Gas", "Wichita Lineman", "Happy Together", and many more.> Mason Williams (Classical Gas) was one of the writers for that show as well as a songwriter and guitarist. I remember the video they played for classical gas, a series of images shown for only a microsecond - very cool. There were a couple different ones they made. Here's a live version of Mason playing the tune with a "History of Art" backdrop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoQh7F_1mbk Bob NP: Genesis, "Supper's Ready" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:09:37 -0500 From: "Gary Z." Subject: Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc *A friend of mine stopped over a couple of days ago, and I just happened to pop in an old Smothers Brothers show that I had copied to DVD when, some years ago, one of the television stations was rebroadcasting a number of their old shows. I loved the show and the musical guests were amazing. Many of you probably know that Jennifer Warnes got her start on that show and appeared quite often, and was called simply "Jennifer" for the first few episodes. This particular episode we watched had Jennifer Warnes singing "Easy to Be Hard," (I have another where she sings "Chelsea Morning") as well as Peter, Paul and Mary singing Dylan's "Too Much of Nothing." There were also a couple of singalongs where Donovan sang "Atlantis" and all the guests joined in; and Peter, Paul and Mary closed the show with "Day is Done" again with all of the guests and the audience singing along. And yes, Catherine, it brought back a lot of great memories!! I hope that eventually they release the complete seasons, instead of just the "Best Of" DVDs. To see all of those musicians so young and at a great time in their careers was just a blast from the past that I thoroughly enjoyed! Another show that I am really loving are the old Saturday Night Live shows. I think they've released the first 5 complete seasons so far. I watched the 4th (?) season that debuted Rickie Lee Jones singing "Chuck E's in Love" and "Coolsville" a few weeks back, and I remember being just blown away when I saw her on that show when it first aired. And some of the skits were just hilarious. Like Roseanne Roseannadana said, "It's always something!" Gary Z. Detroit* Catherine McKay wrote: > I think I want to read this one too. I just had a look at Youtube and it > brought back some old memories - those weird suits the Smotherses wore - and > the turtlenecks! But their show was well ahead of its time in many ways, and > they had some great guests. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Deb > Messling > To: Jim L'Hommedieu ; > joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 8:38:37 AM > Subject: Re: Smothers > Brothers Comedy Hour, njc > > Ooh, I want to read this. I got a Smothers > Brothers DVD for > Christmas. It's interesting to see what has aged well and > what > hasn't. The chorus and dancers with their cute matching sweaters are so > "edgy," man! Some of the social commentary sounds quaint, and of course > the > writers were completely oblivious to the sins of sexism and > homophobia. On > the other hand, many of the bits are still laugh-out-loud > funny. And sadly, > much of the social commentary, about war and racisim and > misplaced national > priorities, could have been written yesterday. > > > > At 06:52 PM 1/22/2010, Jim > L'Hommedieu wrote: > >> Here are some things I learned in a book called >> > "Dangerously Funny" > >> about the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. >> >> * They >> > helped to break several hit songs including "Classical Gas", > >> "Wichita >> > Lineman", "Happy Together", and many more. > >> * Tommy, the dopey one, was the >> > older brother. > >> * Tommy recruited lots of cutting edge musicians and made >> > many creative > >> decisions. >> * The serious brother, Dick, just showed up to >> > deliver his lines and hit > >> the marks. >> * They made fun of Nixon even before >> > he took office. > >> * "Waist Deep In A Big Muddy" was a Pete Seeger song; it was >> > not written > >> by Richard Shindell. >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb > Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________________________ > The new > Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it > Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:12:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: American Idol Joni cover The good news: Katharine McPhee (she did pretty well on AI I think, never watch it) has recorded a cover of Joni's only top ten hit "Help Me". The bad news - it's ONLY available as a bonus track on I-Tunes. Damn you Apple! And in other bad news - Hey Les, when is JM.com coming up again? Bob NP: Warren Zevon, "Jeannie Needs A Shooter" (in a WZ mood today, playing through the albums of his I have) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:25:44 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: American Idol Joni cover I was accessing the website a couple of days ago researching guitar tabs and had no trouble but it is done again today Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 23, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Bob Muller wrote: The good news: Katharine McPhee (she did pretty well on AI I think, never watch it) has recorded a cover of Joni's only top ten hit "Help Me". The bad news - it's ONLY available as a bonus track on I-Tunes. Damn you Apple! And in other bad news - Hey Les, when is JM.com coming up again? Bob NP: Warren Zevon, "Jeannie Needs A Shooter" (in a WZ mood today, playing through the albums of his I have) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:26:06 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: going backwards with Scott Brown, now w/ some ooby shooby Joni content Chere Anne (ma triplette de BelleJoniville) wrote: Now that I'm taking a 5 minute break, I was about to write pretty much exactly what you said, Bob. This has me SO upset. Since WHEN do corporations have the same rights as citizens?????? WTF happened to "We the people..." It's not "We the corporate entities..." And, Bob, you've managed to summarize the health insurance reform in a way that nobody else has. How about Bob for prez? :-) lots of love, Anne ************** And me, the chirp. Here's my heart, on a silver platter. (TIC! I'll put on my finest silver...) WARNING: Long and winding road. Don't say I didn't warn ya! ; ) "Lots of love" indeed, mon amie. It's what the world needs now. My thoughts exactly, Anne & Bob. It gets so lonely, when you're walking and the streets are full of strangers. All the news of home you read, just give you the bluuues. So thank you for sharing your thoughts. I approve your self-expression! (I need your confidence, too, babies, and the gift of your extra time.....you know the rest of the lyrics!) And there is even more bad news. Just when we need it the most, Air America is gone, like the turn of a page: http://tinyurl.com/y8ccplf I try not to write when I'm sad, but really, this has been the worst week for "girls like us" (and boys, too): who "love our loving, but not like we love our freeeEEEEeeeeDOM!" I can keep my cool at Facebook But I'm a fool when JMDL love's at stake Because I can't conceal emotion What I'm feeling's always written on my posts So many Joni lyrics are swirling in my heart and mind (bars in her head), but I'll select just one to sum up the geopolitical again and again the same situation: Money kicks the wide wide world around. It's getting really hard to raise the candles high during this Stormy Weather. In my own little corner of this marbled bowling ball, you know it gets hard keeping the wheels turning, too. This first week of classes is always the week from hell (everybody calling me up for favors -- money and hi-tech rooms go up the chimney like childhood Santa Claus), but of all of the hope and the hopelessness I've witnessed over 20 years at UConn, this is the most helplessly hoping time. The humanities are hard hit. "Wannabe U" here wants to "sunset under-performing graduate programs", and none of our brilliant PhD students can find jobs or even interviews! (What will life be like w/out the arts and humanities??? Short-sighted business men making all of our decisions?) And on top of that, our beloved Coach Calhoun has taken a sudden medical leave (not life-threatening, they say, but related to stress), and we don't know if he will come back or not. Pleasure moves on too early, and trouble leaves too slow. And, of course, there's our suffering Joni, fighting for her life. May she be well! (Are you there, God? It's me, Patricia Margaret. Please don't be such a boogie man!) So all of this political merde combined with the tragedy you can't just drive by (Haiti), and things look pretty bad. BUT...Both Sides NOW! Hope does spring eternal. It was great to see Neil last night, and hear Hallelujah,and you know there were more. And the whole world coming together in a massive humanitarian effort just makes your heart sing a sad song, wanting to make it better, better, better, YEAH! Let's hope that Joni is right, and that bad dreams are good in the great plan, and that the darkest hour is just before dawn. We must somehow carry on (love is coming!) and be the songbirds, singing Power to the People, Strong and Wrong, Revolution (Hi Beej!), STAND (Hi Em!), Instant Karma, and you know there may be more. Shine. IF. (Thanks, Anita dear heart!) CAUSE We've got the fight We've got the insight. Let all our little lights SHINE, come together, right now, like blazes, all across the sky! Sunny day here. I should braid some wildflowers (flower power!) and leaves in my hair and turn it into a funny day, looking for laughter. Yes! Muller for President! Now THERE is a change I can believe in. (I need to believe in something, once I could in Obama love. But it passes like summer...) Can I be Secretary of Peace? They won't give peace a chance, but I would do my best and I'd do good business to keep the dream alive. Thank you for this space. "Thank you for your presence and for being here and everything. Thank you very much!" I wish all of you un bon weekend. All I really really want our love to do, is to bring out the best in me, and you, too. The peace and the star, Patti P. in Flip City, U.S.A (Blues) "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:50:12 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc I read this during winter break. It is really well done. I read lots of rock 'n' roll 60s-70s books an most of them are atrociously written and often superficial--this one is not. I thought my son was going to give me the DVDs for my birthday, but he gave me something else, so now I'll have to spring for it! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:16 AM > To: Deb Messling; Jim L'Hommedieu; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc > > I think I want to read this one too. I just had a look at Youtube and > it > brought back some old memories - those weird suits the Smotherses wore > - and > the turtlenecks! But their show was well ahead of its time in many > ways, and > they had some great guests. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Deb > Messling > To: Jim L'Hommedieu ; > joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 8:38:37 AM > Subject: Re: Smothers > Brothers Comedy Hour, njc > > Ooh, I want to read this. I got a Smothers > Brothers DVD for > Christmas. It's interesting to see what has aged well and > what > hasn't. The chorus and dancers with their cute matching sweaters are > so > "edgy," man! Some of the social commentary sounds quaint, and of > course > the > writers were completely oblivious to the sins of sexism and > homophobia. On > the other hand, many of the bits are still laugh-out-loud > funny. And sadly, > much of the social commentary, about war and racisim and > misplaced national > priorities, could have been written yesterday. > > > > At 06:52 PM 1/22/2010, Jim > L'Hommedieu wrote: > > Here are some things I learned in a book called > "Dangerously Funny" > >about the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. > > > >* They > helped to break several hit songs including "Classical Gas", > >"Wichita > Lineman", "Happy Together", and many more. > >* Tommy, the dopey one, was the > older brother. > >* Tommy recruited lots of cutting edge musicians and made > many creative > >decisions. > >* The serious brother, Dick, just showed up to > deliver his lines and hit > >the marks. > >* They made fun of Nixon even before > he took office. > >* "Waist Deep In A Big Muddy" was a Pete Seeger song; it was > not written > >by Richard Shindell. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb > Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________________________ > The new > Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! > Get it > Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:53:29 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: If..... I'm sorry, what tainted it for me is Rudyard Kipling--don't get me wrong, there's some great Kipling, but "If" is right up on the list of his worst, just below "White Man's Burden," as far as I'm concerned. I'm embarrassed for Joni when I listen to it. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Corey Blake > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:27 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: If..... > > I hate to say it, but that song and poem were kind of tainted when Gov. > Blagojevich quoted it at a press conference. I can still enjoy them, > but I > always think of that when I hear it. > > -Corey > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:51 AM, wrote: > > > > share it with my jmdl buddies> > > > > Glad you did, Anita - my favorite song on Shine. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Leona Naess, "Panic Stricken" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > > this message is prohibited. 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There is a Youtube of it her singing it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unrj3YZjBIE&feature=related A nice version but I don't think anybody sings that song like Bonnie Raitt. Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:38 AM To: Subject: Ronstadt on You Tube, njc > Desperado: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djP8zIwCp3I > > Gees, she was easy on the eyes and sang like gangbusters, "jus' like I > pitchered it". She had it all, wow. > > There are lots of good videos of Linda but I couldn't find the Christmas > show on SNL where she backed up Paul Simon. > > Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:08:21 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Ronstadt on You Tube, njc I couldn't agree with you more, Mark (how unusual :-) Linda is underrated not only for her talent, but for the range of music forms she has tackled: Pop, rock, country, bluegrass, Spanish/Mexican, opera, operetta, Broadway, New Wave. She has done it all. And well. Jerry On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Mark wrote: > Thanks for that, Jim. I watched that and a few others Rondstadt videos on > Youtube. They reminded me of what a wonderful singer this woman is. Truly > one of the great pop voices of our time. > > Did Linda record 'Love Has No Pride'? I can't remember it being on one of > her albums. There is a Youtube of it her singing it here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unrj3YZjBIE&feature=related > > A nice version but I don't think anybody sings that song like Bonnie Raitt. > > Mark in Seattle > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:38 AM > To: > Subject: Ronstadt on You Tube, njc > > Desperado: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djP8zIwCp3I >> >> Gees, she was easy on the eyes and sang like gangbusters, "jus' like I >> pitchered it". She had it all, wow. >> >> There are lots of good videos of Linda but I couldn't find the Christmas >> show on SNL where she backed up Paul Simon. >> >> Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:21:31 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, njc From: "Richard Flynn" > I thought my son was going to give me the DVDs for my birthday, but he > gave > me something else, so now I'll have to spring for it! I'm very tempted to pick this one up myself if these 2 performances of the Jefferson Airplane are on it. Be sure to smoke a banana before you watch ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1cfTMdjkYM&feature=fvw If it weren't for the fact that Grace Slick's vocals are not the vocals used on the recorded versions of 'White Rabbit' and 'Somebody to Love', I would swear these were lip-synchs. Does anyone know, is it possible that Grace was actually singing but the instrumental part was a play-back? Grace still mesmerizes me after all this time. Those eyes seem to fix on me and hypnotize me. There is something about that face that is like some familiar archetype for me or something remembered from a past life. I can't really explain it. I feel the same way about Joni's face and the 2 men who have been the most important in my life (Edward and Travis). There have been a few other people in my life whose looks seem to have been imprinted somewhere in my psyche before I ever met them. Has anybody else ever had this feeling or am I sounding totally 'woo-woo' here? And the voice was so focused, sharp and powerful. The last 'feed your head(s)' from 'White Rabbit' made me utter some form of 'taking the lord's name in vain' out loud. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:02:21 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: 10,000 miles NJC Finally got around to watching and listening to this. Gorgeous. Thanks, Mags. Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mags" Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:28 PM To: Subject: 10,000 miles NJC > music speaks where words cannot > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVq2khzam2g&feature=related > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the > boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to > New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:33:35 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: speaking of Grace njc I swear this woman and I are soul-mates. She says so many things I have been thinking of late. The story about going to the Nixon White House and trying to dose his tea with LSD comes out towards the end and sounds kind of like an old saw-horse. But the rest of this is very relevant and very Grace. It's a bit long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZOLGY1dx7E&feature=response_watch ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:33:08 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Vincent (njc) After a long period of not performing, she is doing concerts again and has new cd's and a dvd out. I saw her Carnegie Hall show in 1979. The recent shows have been here in Florida. She performs here at least two or three times a year. Her voice is still brilliant. Jerry On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Mark wrote: > Catching up on some of the Youtube links people have posted. > > I should have guessed this was Jane Olivor's version, Jerry. Really, that > was my first exposure to this song. Another beautiful voice that started > out with such promise. Where is she now? > > My favorite version, too. > > Mark in Seattle > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gerald Notaro" > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:48 AM > To: > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: Vincent (njc) > > My favorite version: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KgZwiZ50pw >> >> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:46:19 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell, another (NJC) Hi Laura I saw the song 'Plant a Radish' on the track-list of Chuck's cd and after listening to the preview was amused. When in college I played Bellamy in 'The Fantasticks' and sang this song along with the other of the two fathers in the show, Huckabee. It was a lot of fun. Brought back some wonderful memories of a summer that now seems like it was in a galaxy far, far away. Come to think of it, I think the first 'Star Wars' movie was released that summer (1977). Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Laura Stanley" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:51 AM To: Subject: Chuck Mitchell, another (NJC) > Another one: > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ChuckMitchell1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:56:09 EST From: fmyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: If..... I couldn't agree more Richard. I've always thought Kiplings "If" was his worse poem. I had to study Kipling in college, and naturally "If" was debated in our class. I've never liked the poem, and even though Joni sings it nice enough, I always skip that track on Shine. Just my take. Jimmy In a message dated 1/23/2010 12:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > I'm sorry, what tainted it for me is Rudyard Kipling--don't get me wrong, > there's some great Kipling, but "If" is right up on the list of his worst, > just below "White Man's Burden," as far as I'm concerned. I'm embarrassed > for Joni when I listen to it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:08:38 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Vincent (njc) Catching up on some of the Youtube links people have posted. I should have guessed this was Jane Olivor's version, Jerry. Really, that was my first exposure to this song. Another beautiful voice that started out with such promise. Where is she now? My favorite version, too. Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gerald Notaro" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:48 AM To: Cc: ; Subject: Re: Vincent (njc) > My favorite version: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KgZwiZ50pw > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:40:04 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: If..... The great thing about this list is hearing all the wider takes and thoughts about 'If' and everything else that comes in day by day. I haven't read a great deal of Kipling's poetry and, to my shame, am mostly familiar with the 'Jungle Book.' I think, in regards to my experience of 'If' yesterday and bearing in mind Joni's reference to her illness, I just found myself wondering if it might be Joni's final 'original' song. Although I don't see myself as having a personal hotline to Joni (though there have been times in my life when I may have been almost bonkers enough to believe I might have had), the thought of Joni not being in the world anymore was very painful for me. The original words that Joni added to the Kipling ('You'll be alright. 'cos you got the fight you got the insight') felt like she was telling me that I would be alright. That, after 42 years of listening to her music and my life experiences, that these days, I've got the fight and I've got some insight. I have worked very hard over the years to make some sense and meaning of my life. As a 'seeker of mental health',the idea of being alright and having both fight and insight seemed to help in a moment of considerable grief. I am a survivor. Maybe not a personal hotline, but thanks Joni Love Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:48:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: If..... I can sort of gloss over the words, and I wasn't familiar with the poem to begin with. I just like the sound of it and the positive vibe. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:47:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Ronstadt on You Tube, njc She did, on her album "Don't Cry Now", which also had "Desperado", "Silver Threads And Golden Needles", 'Sail Away" on it. Her pre-breakthrough album. Bob NP: Spoon, "Don't Make Me A Target" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:54:42 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: speaking of Grace njc Mark! thanks so much for the links to both vids. That was wonderful. You're one of the only people I know who is that into the Airplane, as I am. I've always adored them since first discovering them when I was about 14 or so, and I adore them still. Like Woody Allen said (paraphrasing) I don't just LOVE them, I lllllurrrrvvvvvvvvvvvvvv them. Always have. Its chemistry almost, beyind just an aesthetic attraction to the music. I love how she has become now - Grace. She's hilarious! I can't help but wonder what if Janis Joplin were still around, too...and they did an interview together. It would be doubly hilarious - and they're both sharp as tacks, with such humor. Not just Grace I love, but the whole combo that was Jefferson Airplane. They had something realllllllllly special there. Doesn't hurt that they had the expert playing of Jorma and Jack, of course. Ok, I feel an overwhelming need to sink into "Hey Frederick" right now............. their music was like a trip even if you don't eat a banana or whatever. "Take a trip and never leave the farm!" Again, thank you Mark, my bro in Airplane-ness. Love Em - --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Mark wrote: > From: Mark > Subject: speaking of Grace njc > To: "joni" > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:33 PM > I swear this woman and I are > soul-mates. She says so many things I have been > thinking of late. The story about going to the Nixon > White House and trying to dose his tea with LSD comes out > towards the end and sounds kind of like an old > saw-horse. But the rest of this is very relevant and > very Grace. It's a bit long. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZOLGY1dx7E&feature=response_watch ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:57:50 -0500 From: Jimmy Stewart Subject: Re: Vincent (njc) My favorite version of Vincent too! Jane Oliver singing "Some Enchanted Evening" blows me away. It really makes me cry. Good question Mark. What is Jane Oliver doing these days? Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:08 PM, "Mark" wrote: > Catching up on some of the Youtube links people have posted. > > I should have guessed this was Jane Olivor's version, Jerry. > Really, that was my first exposure to this song. Another beautiful > voice that started out with such promise. Where is she now? > > My favorite version, too. > > Mark in Seattle > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gerald Notaro" > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:48 AM > To: > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: Vincent (njc) > >> My favorite version: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KgZwiZ50pw >> >> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:04:26 -0700 From: Walt Breen Subject: Me, too, dammit! & using Joni's song for defiance and healing Hey Bob, just wanted to add my "Right on!" to the chorus of others who agree about Supreme Court's decision being more harmful that Brown's election. A bad president can do more long-term harm to the economy, to the election process, and to society than any one good president can fix. Bush's putting two hard-core conservatives on the Court has set us up for more astonishingly hare-brained decisions like this last one. Putting corporations and yes, even labor unions, in a position to bribe and pressure both elections and the judiciary, is appalling. Does anyone remember the scene in Angels in American, set in a restaurant, where Royn Cohn, Joe Pitt (the Morman whose worlds get shattered during the movie) and some hack aide to President Reagan are talking about America's bright new future with a Supreme Court and Judiciary locked in and the possibility of a one-party state? During Clinton's and now Obama's term, one would hope that this kind of thing was unimaginable, but look what ruination Bush's lackeys accomplished in 8 years. Oh, well, the only thing to do when you're angry or bereft (my dog Mari, whom I described back in December when I rejoined the club, died Tuesday after 3 weeks of misery; and my favorite detective novelist, Robert Parker, died the same day; and Brown get elected), you've got to laugh, search for joy or peace or both, and get the bad energy out somehow. When already sick from AIDS and then diagnosed with cancer in '95, I listened and sang along to Joni's "Sire of Sorrow", singing in defiance of... whatever. The disease, my crappy luck... The refrain, "What have I done to you, that you make everything I dread and everything I fear ciome true?", really resonated with me, and singing along helped. Of course there are many songs of Joni's that bliss me out or fill me with joy and others that nake me cry. Hey, does anyone else weep when they hear Facelift? For me, it's a wistful song, more so since Joni's mom died, and I usually tear up when listening or playing/singing it. Part of the reason I love Shine so much is that, like in TI and TtT, she grumbles, but she seems happier to me, and the last two songs, Shine and If, are killers. Rather than just grumbling, she asks us let our little lights shine (everone knows the gospel song This Little Light, right? I'm a couple of years behind, as usual), that is, to be aware of the world around us, good things and bad. I laughed my ass off the first time I heard "Shine on another asshole passing on the right." In theme, it reminded me of the song "Be Aware" by Burt Bacharach. Sung once on TV by Babs Streisand, it was also on one of Dionne's most obscure albums, "Dionne" from 1972, and more recently by another musical heroe of mine, Laura Nyro, on "Angel in the Dark", her very posthumously released final album of new material; she also sings BB's "Walk on By" on the album. Back to Joni, although the lyrics of "If" are based on anorther's work, the advice is very sound, and the melody is one of her loveliest ever, and of course the last verse If you can fill a minute With 60 seconds of wonder and delight... [snip] But more than that, I know You'll be all right You'll be all right 'Cause you've got the fight, You've got the insight... These words inspire me, and hope they inspire her in her fight with Morgellon's. Love to all, Walt _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:40 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: If..... You old fart what would you know?? I luv that tune and agree with Muller it's got a positive vibe to it and it makes *ME* (and not only am *I* in the "inner circle" I am also the center) feel good and I can dance to it. LOL Paz (in Kerrville) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:56 PM, fmyfl@aol.com wrote: I couldn't agree more Richard. I've always thought Kiplings "If" was his worse poem. I had to study Kipling in college, and naturally "If" was debated in our class. I've never liked the poem, and even though Joni sings it nice enough, I always skip that track on Shine. Just my take. Jimmy In a message dated 1/23/2010 12:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > I'm sorry, what tainted it for me is Rudyard Kipling--don't get me > wrong, > there's some great Kipling, but "If" is right up on the list of his > worst, > just below "White Man's Burden," as far as I'm concerned. I'm > embarrassed > for Joni when I listen to it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:36:47 -0500 From: Vince Subject: Re: If..... I think all Kipling sucks. I came across a George Orwell quote on Kipling: *the prophet of British Imperialism in its expansionist phase.* Kipling is all noble white Man superior to coloreds (and women). What is the big climax of the poem If? "Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!" It is not out of context that Kipling thought being a Man was everything and never thought of women as equal, or worth his literary attention. It improved my day to read two JMDL stalwarts comment " I've never liked the poem, and even though Joni sings it nice enough, I always skip that track on Shine." and "I'm embarrassed for Joni when I listen to it." I liked it better when she played off of Yates and St. Paul and Alex North/Hy Zaret. Vince > > On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:56 PM, fmyfl@aol.com wrote: > > I couldn't agree more Richard. I've always thought Kiplings "If" was his > worse poem. I had to study Kipling in college, and naturally "If" was > debated > in our class. I've never liked the poem, and even though Joni sings it > nice > enough, I always skip that track on Shine. Just my take. > > Jimmy > > In a message dated 1/23/2010 12:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > > > I'm sorry, what tainted it for me is Rudyard Kipling--don't get me > > wrong, > > there's some great Kipling, but "If" is right up on the list of his > > worst, > > just below "White Man's Burden," as far as I'm concerned. I'm > > embarrassed > > for Joni when I listen to it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:00:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Me, too, dammit! & using Joni's song for defiance and healing That, in and of itself, makes the song worthwhile and even imbues it with more meaning for me. I'm sorry to hear of Mari's passing - sending peace and good thoughts to you my friend. Bob NP: U2, "Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:54:47 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: If..... - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:36 PM Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: If..... > I think all Kipling sucks. I came across a George Orwell quote on > Kipling: > *the prophet of British Imperialism in its expansionist phase.* > Kipling > is all noble white Man superior to coloreds (and women). > > What is the big climax of the poem If? > "Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, > And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!" > And I think it's significant that Joni leaves the bit about 'you'll be a Man my son' out of the song. I'm not really familiar with Kipling at all. I think Joni liked some of what the poem had to say. She cut out what she didn't like. I like the song. Although I must admit, I have yet to familiarize myself with 'Shine'. Not that I think it's a bad record. But it somehow falls into the same category as 'Turbulent Indigo' for me. Too dark, in some ways. And I don't have my car anymore and that was where I used to listen to music. Your mention of British Imperialism is a bit of synchronicity for me. I've been watching 'The Jewel and the Crown' with my friend Melanie. I've never seen it before. So far, it's an intriguing story. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:02:52 +0000 From: revrvl@gmail.com Subject: Re: If..... Jewel in the Crown is one of the great tv~movie~cinema masterpieces of all time! I loue it so! Vince - ------Original Message------ From: Mark To: Vince Cc: fmyfl@aol.com Cc: rflynn@frontiernet.net Cc: coreyblake@gmail.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: If..... Sent: Jan 23, 2010 8:54 PM - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:36 PM Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: If..... > I think all Kipling sucks. I came across a George Orwell quote on > Kipling: > *the prophet of British Imperialism in its expansionist phase.* > Kipling > is all noble white Man superior to coloreds (and women). > > What is the big climax of the poem If? > "Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, > And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!" > And I think it's significant that Joni leaves the bit about 'you'll be a Man my son' out of the song. I'm not really familiar with Kipling at all. I think Joni liked some of what the poem had to say. She cut out what she didn't like. I like the song. Although I must admit, I have yet to familiarize myself with 'Shine'. Not that I think it's a bad record. But it somehow falls into the same category as 'Turbulent Indigo' for me. Too dark, in some ways. And I don't have my car anymore and that was where I used to listen to music. Your mention of British Imperialism is a bit of synchronicity for me. I've been watching 'The Jewel and the Crown' with my friend Melanie. I've never seen it before. So far, it's an intriguing story. Mark in Seattle Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:27:13 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: If..... >I dislike Kipling's poem. I just have an aversion to inspirational or >moralistic sentiments in verse form. I prefer my poetry to be specific, >pointed, concrete. What I love about Joni's lyrics is that she usually >doesn't indulge in generalities. Instead she gives us vivid images - for >example, of a woman's toilet ("Paprika Plains") or moral complexities (the >whole of "Shadows and Light" or Don Juan's Reckless Daughter"). Joni as a reader of poetry doesn't impress me very much; she reminds me of a high school kid who just finds the whole endeavor too, too difficult. Joni as a *writer* of poetry impresses me a great deal. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:42:38 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: If..... Deb, this is an excellent insight! > -----Original Message----- > From: Deb Messling [mailto:dlmessling@rcn.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:27 PM > To: Richard Flynn; 'Corey Blake'; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: If..... > > > >I dislike Kipling's poem. I just have an aversion to inspirational or > >moralistic sentiments in verse form. I prefer my poetry to be > specific, > >pointed, concrete. What I love about Joni's lyrics is that she > usually > >doesn't indulge in generalities. Instead she gives us vivid images - > for > >example, of a woman's toilet ("Paprika Plains") or moral complexities > (the > >whole of "Shadows and Light" or Don Juan's Reckless Daughter"). > > Joni as a reader of poetry doesn't impress me very much; she reminds me > of > a high school kid who just finds the whole endeavor too, too > difficult. Joni as a *writer* of poetry impresses me a great deal. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #24 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------