From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #16 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 17 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 016 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life." now the Sun njc [T Peckham ] Kate Rusby's "The Goodman", njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life [Deb Messling ] On Joni's health ["Miguel Arrondo" ] Re: I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Very Ill, I'm fighting for my life. [passscribe@aol.com] Re: On Joni's health [Kate Johnson ] Re: Kate Rusby's "The Goodman", njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:01:13 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: "I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life." now the Sun njc Oops! (red face) Thanks for the correction, Mags. (But now I'm gonna have to check out that Sunshine girl . . .) ;-) On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Mags wrote: > hey there....fwiw, the Sun is not considered a major Canadian paper, in > fact, it's often referred to as a rag, as a paper that sensationalizes > things just for the shock factor. I never read the Sun for a myriad of > reasons. Not to mention the ever so boring and inappropriate publishing of > the Sunshine girl, or what ever she's called (and I dont really care what > that's about, it just makes that paper seem all the more lame. imho of > course ;-) > > > > Mags > > > > ** > > > From: T Peckham > > > > > I do agree with Lieve, tho, about the interviewer in general. I would think > that someone who works for a major Canadian newspaper would at least take > the time to familiarize himself with recent events in his subject's life, > such as the deaths (or not) of parents, and a recently reported serious, > mysterious affliction. That's just being lazy in my book. > > > - -- Some things in life it just gets too late to learn . . . --Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:08:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Kate Rusby's "The Goodman", njc Our local radio station has been playing Kate Rusby's "The Goodman" and it's infectious. The melody is really stuck in my head even though it's difficult to whistle. There are some octave jumps and dips that I can't do reliably. I don't know anything about the artist. It seems like the song has no refrain, just tons of verses and one break. There's a full-length performance on You Tube. The video is terrible but it will give you an idea of the melody. The verses are about a cheating wife making up stories for her husband, "The Goodman" in the title. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKEKW9NG8w Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:12:21 +0000 From: joe farrell Subject: "i'm very ill, i'm fighting for my life" this is really worrying news. such a shock really, i mean i read about her having morgellon's disease but i didn't think it was life threatening. "i'm fighting for my life" just left me feeling desolate. hope joni gets through this and is feeling better soon. joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:13:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Both Sides Now mention in book, njc I was too young to appreciate "The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour" tv program, but I'm reading a book on it, "Dangerously Funny" by David Bianculli. On page 69, a side comment says, " Sahl, a topical comedian and satirist who had started at San Francisco's 'hungry i', at that point was a co-host of Both Sides Now, a nationally syndicated talk program seen locally on KTTV. Sahl offered comic rants and espoused political philosophies; he was countered by station anchor George Putnam, widely credited as the model for vapid Ted Baxter on 'The Mary Tyler Moore Show'". Was someone already aware that BSN was the title of a talk show in the 60's? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:21:30 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life." now the Sun njc I was trying to remember whether the Vancouver Sun was one of THOSE Suns (the rag, that is.) It's not quite down at the level of the National Enquirer or the News of the World, but it's not well-respected either. It's kind of like a small-town paper on a big scale, if that makes any sense. They seem to have a Sun now in most of the major cities in Canada now and they all follow the same format - tabloid style, lots of ads, screaming headlines on the front page that never have anything to do with the picture on the front. They do have some decent columnists and there are some good reporters too, and some of their entertainment writers are good and their sports section is supposed to be good (dunno - don't read sports!( but in general, they tend to aim for the lowest common denominator and they're too right-wing for my liking. My ex worked for the Toronto one quite a long time ago. I think that often people are sent to do interviews kind of at the last minute and may not have time for a lot of research (which is a crappy excuse, really.) My old fogey side will show now, but I find that a lot of kids coming out of school (don't know if this interviewer was a young'un or a seasoned veteran though) think they know a lot and have a lot of excellent technical training but have absolutely NO idea of history. My daughter has a friend who is just finishing her masters in journalism and she's working right now for a radio station and has interviewed a number of bands, but she knows very little about music, even in her own generation. My daughter tells me this girl had never even heard of The Police and probably knows nothing about bands that existed more than five years ago. I guess she'll learn, and no one is born knowing everything, but I don't see how someone can go through more than four years of journalism, part of which would include doing research and studying some kind of history, and never heard of a group like The Police, whose stuff is still played on the radio, but it happens. ________________________________ From: Mags To: T Peckham Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 4:55:04 PM Subject: Re: "I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life." now the Sun njc hey there....fwiw, the Sun is not considered a major Canadian paper, in fact, it's often referred to as a rag, as a paper that sensationalizes things just for the shock factor. I never read the Sun for a myriad of reasons. Not to mention the ever so boring and inappropriate publishing of the Sunshine girl, or what ever she's called (and I dont really care what that's about, it just makes that paper seem all the more lame. imho of course ;-) Mags __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:22:36 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Kate Rusby's "The Goodman", njc I like Kate Rusby a lot. She's coming to Toronto in March and I have to see her. ________________________________ From: Jim L'Hommedieu To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 5:08:44 PM Subject: Kate Rusby's "The Goodman", njc Our local radio station has been playing Kate Rusby's "The Goodman" and it's infectious. The melody is really stuck in my head even though it's difficult to whistle. There are some octave jumps and dips that I can't do reliably. I don't know anything about the artist. It seems like the song has no refrain, just tons of verses and one break. There's a full-length performance on You Tube. The video is terrible but it will give you an idea of the melody. The verses are about a cheating wife making up stories for her husband, "The Goodman" in the title. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKEKW9NG8w Jim L'Hommedieu __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:06:03 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: "I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life." - -----Original Message----- >It's not quite down at the level of the National Enquirer or >the News of the World, but it's not well-respected either. It seems like Joni is, perhaps aware of this. She seemed to have a thinly veiled disdain for this interviewer ("That's such a stupid question") and the guy certainly did no research before the interview - asking about her mother (he should have known) and asking if Brian Blade is an "LA session guy" (again, he should have known). I do get the impression that Joni wanted to talk about the illness but Jean Grand-Maitre tried to steer it in the other direction. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:07:31 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Kate Rusby's "The Goodman", njc I Love Kate Rusby, and I especially love that song. I got her Awkward Annie CD for Christmas - she does an adorable cover of The Village Green Preservation Society. At 05:08 PM 1/16/2010, you wrote: > Our local radio station has been playing Kate Rusby's "The Goodman" and >it's infectious. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:44:46 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life Fighting for her life? I don't buy it, personally. Joni is a very dramatic personality and my opinion is that she tends to exaggerate the troubles in her life. I realize that is an incredibly presumptuous statement, given that I obviously do not know Joni personally. I guess I can smell a hypochondriac, being one myself. I hope this doesn't sound unkind. I remember Joni saying once she expected to grow into a cantankerous old lady, swinging her cane at people and writing nasty letters to the editor. I fully expect that she will do this. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:55:32 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life I completely agree with you, Deb. Jerry On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Deb Messling wrote: > Fighting for her life? I don't buy it, personally. Joni is a very > dramatic personality and my opinion is that she tends to exaggerate the > troubles in her life. I realize that is an incredibly presumptuous > statement, given that I obviously do not know Joni personally. I guess I > can smell a hypochondriac, being one myself. I hope this doesn't sound > unkind. I remember Joni saying once she expected to grow into a > cantankerous old lady, swinging her cane at people and writing nasty letters > to the editor. I fully expect that she will do this. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:54:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: RE: "I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life." - --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Les Irvin wrote: From: Les Irvin lesirvin@gmail.com I do get the impression that Joni wanted to talk about the illness but Jean Grand-Maitre tried to steer it in the other direction. *** same here, Les and who knows why Grand-Maitre steered her away ...perhaps he was trying to protect her from the interviewer who clearly had no clue as to who he was talking to. who knows. annoying just the same. research man research, it's not that difficult. i'm sorry for her; but more importantly, i believe her. , no matter what this is that she's dealing with,. she's clearly in a lot of discomfort/pain/angst about it. poor Joni. it seems like she's always got to defend herself on every front,. as if she needs to legitimize the way she feels. if she feels that bad, she feels that bad, why does she have to qualify/quantify anything. Mags, writing from the corner of the room as usual ;-) __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: here comes the (vancouver) sun aka i stand corrected ;--) njc this just in, apparently the Vanc Sun is not like the other suns across the country...a great big ooops and sorry about that. It has been likened to the Toronto Star which I love...the comparison and that paper. I guess it's all whatever you see as a legitimate newspaper. Mags, clearly a Sun Snob :P xo __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:05:17 -0500 From: Subject: Joni's illness I agree that many illnesses previously characterized as psychosomatic were later found to be real and legitimate and I do keep an open mind with Morgellans. I;m glad more studies and research are being done to solve the mystery of it. However, I have this nagging feeling that Joni may be suffering from some other condition. I wonder how much she has consulted with specialists (and she has some of the best in the world right down the street at UCLA Medical Center). I was diagnosed with a rare neurological condition some years back which was much later found to be incorrect and that I simply had some severe vitamin deficiencies. It could be something as simple and non-exotic as that with Joni. I hope she has had several consulations and second opinions. Some of what disturbed me about this interview was that I thought that her desire to discuss her illness was given short shrift, seemingly in favor of promoting the ballet tour and the possibility of another second ballet. I know it's hard to read and decipher between the lines of a printed interview, apparently conducted in a three-way telephone conference call. Also, as Jenny wrote: "...well she may be delusional in that she feels she is responsible for single handedly and permanently changing the direction of Hawaiian slack-key guitar. heh." That one threw me along with Joni's thought that she single-handedly changed the basic form of ballet. And there's more but I'll leave it at that. Also her statements about Amchitka being about nuclear testing on the San Andreas fault. The San Andreas fault ends in Northern California, near Mendocino. It is thousands and thousands of miles south of Amchitka, the southermost Aleutian island which is only 800 miles from Russia. Perhaps she was confusing it with the later protests in the 1980s of the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant that was built near a much smaller fault in central California. I wonder how much her closest friends have tried to help her with her suffering? Maybe they have tried a lot, maybe she is stubborn. I just didn't like the feel of this interview - someone so obviously ill and it felt like they all still just want a piece of her. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:36:41 -0300 From: "Miguel Arrondo" Subject: On Joni's health Hello, everyone on the list. I've came back from holidays just to read the bad news. Then, I read most of the comments about the sad situation that Les had disclose. I don't know how serious her condition can be, but I surely wish to send her (and all of you who are so sad about this, like me) my hope and best wishes, because I know that "all the incurables have a cure, five minutes before death". A free translation from a local poem. Joni overcame polio as a child. She got up and walk (and did a lot of other things, fortunately for us). When I was myself postrated, 23 years old, and doctors told me that I would never be able to even move my hands (I broke my neck on a jeep accident), I had for months, like a mantra on my head, the lines from "Judgement of the moon and stars": "... You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky They're going to aim the hoses on you Show 'em you won't expire Not till you burn up every passion Not even when you die..." That words helped me a lot, maybe they were not meant to the purpose I gave them, but they surely helped me. I faced the hoses of the medical diagnostics, I kept roaring, and I didn't even bother about death itself, I was sure I'd never expire. And I did not, stood on my walking feet again, and lived a wonderful life so far, with her music always sounding around. A strange thing is that I had no idea, on these days, that my favourite singer/songwriter had passed through polio, this information wasn't available here in Argentina when internet didn't exist yet. So, now, I hope Joni keep on fighting, roaring and burning. I wish I could help her, like she helped me. She has a clearly advantage, she's already inmortal. Best wishes to you all, Miguel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:45:31 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life I also agree. I'm reminded of something she said during her performance at the Gene Autry museum many years ago when she says something to the effect of her hearing being different due to the something with lightbulbs... and the bad thing about interviews like this one is that we don't know if Joni said it in jest or if she's really serious about it. And slightly aside from the point, but how can an interviewer go on for freaking paragraphs about the ballet and only spend a few sentences on her health? - -Mark Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:44:46 -0500 > From: Deb Messling > Subject: Re: I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life > > Fighting for her life? I don't buy it, personally. Joni is a very > dramatic personality and my opinion is that she tends to exaggerate the > troubles in her life. I realize that is an incredibly presumptuous > statement, given that I obviously do not know Joni personally. I guess I > can smell a hypochondriac, being one myself. I hope this doesn't sound > unkind. I remember Joni saying once she expected to grow into a > cantankerous old lady, swinging her cane at people and writing nasty > letters to the editor. I fully expect that she will do this. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:07:03 +0000 From: whizzboom@comcast.net Subject: Re: Joni very ill You feel better, now? Good, you go and wipe up. I just worked on 2 different lengthy responses to this and decided to scrap both. You want to call me cold? You have no idea who I am or what I'm about - its an unnecessary snap judgment but you're certainly entitled to your opinion. People get old. They get sick. They pass on. Joni is not a young woman. And she hasn't necessarily been very good to her body of the years in addition to the post-polio complications and all else. *of course* I feel badly she's ill. But she comes off badly in this intv and while I certainly side with artists who've been railroaded in the press, as a semi-retired journo myself, I'm frankly tired of listening to her berate people for asking her questions she thinks are stupid or doesn't feel like answering. It's joni's prerogative if she doesn't feel like looking back and compiling the box anymore. But yes, it pisses me off. And I'm not going to pretend it doesn't just because she's sick a/o it might offend someone I don't know. I actually feel like *she's* being a little cold. I'm tired of being made to wait 3-5 years for overblown orchestral re-workings and decent but unremarkable records like TTT and Shine. I've been waiting to hear what the alternate Mingus takes sound like for what seems like an eternity! So - think what you want. Sorry my honest stance bums you out. - ------Original Message------ From: Russell Cole To: joni@smoe.org Cc: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Cc: CJT email Subject: Re: Joni very ill Sent: Jan 16, 2010 9:32 PM > I guess what I'm trying to say is, while of course I'm upset to hear her admit she's very sick, > I'm *more* distraught that she's canning the box. That just really blows. I spoke with my remaining > contact at rhino a few weeks ago and he said it was on hold, but would likely come down the pike in > that latter part of this year. And *that* was giving me something to hold on for. > Cheers, > Chris, heading into his 40th birthday burdened with shitty news. *sigh*. This was an unbelievable post. Joni states in an interview that she might die, oh and she's putting the breaks on her box set, and you're mainly distraught about the latter? Man, that is cold. Just for you, I hope it never comes out, though you can be sure that if she does pass away, that thing will be out six months later (in time for Xmas, of course), and will be a best seller (see: "Now That I Am Dead", by French, Frith, Kaiser, and Thompson). Hey, was the bad news the first thing or the second thing? Just wondering how shallow you really are... Russ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:58:53 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from JM Contact Us page Can anyone help Lauri-Ann? - -----Original Message----- I am in search of Choral arrangements of music written by Canadian Composers. Are there any of Joni's songs that have been arranged in 4 parts for choirs? If so, could you please let me know how I can get my hands on them? Name: Lauri-Ann Loreto Neal email: lauri-ann.neal@ncdsb.on.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:10:53 EST From: passscribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Very Ill, I'm fighting for my life. In a message dated 1/16/10 3:27:02 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: "Les Irvin" > Subject: "I'm very ill, I'm fighting for my life." > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2203 > Wow... very scary comments in that story. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:37:08 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: On Joni's health Sentiments that would surely warm the cockles of Joni's heart, Miguel. Kate On 16-Jan-10, at 7:36 PM, Miguel Arrondo wrote: > When I was myself postrated, 23 years old, and doctors told me that > I would > never be able to even move my hands (I broke my neck on a jeep > accident), I > had for months, like a mantra on my head, the lines from "Judgement > of the > moon and stars": > > "... You've got to shake your fists at lightning now > You've got to roar like forest fire > You've got to spread your light like blazes > All across the sky > They're going to aim the hoses on you > Show 'em you won't expire > Not till you burn up every passion > Not even when you die..." > > That words helped me a lot, maybe they were not meant to the > purpose I gave > them, but they surely helped me. I faced the hoses of the medical > diagnostics, I kept roaring, and I didn't even bother about death > itself, I > was sure I'd never expire. And I did not, stood on my walking feet > again, > and lived a wonderful life so far, with her music always sounding > around. ... > She has a clearly advantage, she's already > inmortal. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:37:52 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Kate Rusby's "The Goodman", njc Here are the words... http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/k/kate_rusby/goodman_crd.htm Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Our local radio station has been playing Kate Rusby's "The Goodman" and it's infectious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKEKW9NG8w Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:02:49 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni very ill Wow, things on this list have gotten ugly pretty fast. Sad. I could be completely wrong, but after my numbness wore off I texted and emailed 3 friends who aren't on this list but who would give a shit: "Word is that Joni is not well. Send good stuff her way." It's not that hard. Just do it. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #16 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------