From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #5 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 7 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 005 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- OzFest 2010 Dead [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: happy start of 2010 (njc) - and Jonifest 2010 [Bob Muller ] RE: maiden name (NJC) now LONG [Mike Pritchard ] RE: maiden name, NJC [Laura Stanley ] RE: Ms. Tierney [Susan E McNamara ] Re: maiden name (NJC) now LONG [Lieve Reckers ] RE: happy start of 2010 (njc) - and Jonifest 2010 [Walt Breen ] Warren Beatty - Same Situation [Paul Castle ] Re: maiden name (NJC) now LONG [Catherine McKay ] Re: Warren Beatty - Same Situation [Catherine McKay ] Re: Warren Beatty - Same Situation [Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: OzFest 2010 Dead Hello everyone. My apologies to those who are getting this twice but I felt that this message needs to reach the Joni-only people on the list as well. OzFest 2010 is now dead. It was a dream of mine to organise the first ever JoniFest in the Southern Hemisphere but, with only three active JMDL members in Australia, I knew it was going to be an uphill battle. There were some who signed up right away to get the ball rolling which made me think it had a chance. Thanks for your enthusiasm Lieve, Bob and Marion. Then I got this great deal from a wonderful venue in Kanagaroo Valley in southern NSW. I needed to get at least 30 people to make it viable because the deal was for the whole venue. As time slipped by, the pressure got higher. The venue were getting offers for weddings, etc. They were disappointed too because the idea of a JoniFest intrigued them. I even tried spruiking at the Sydney Opera House before the Joni tribute show. People politely took my flyer and the lobby bar even allowed me to put a pile of them on the bar. Final membership of the Yahoo group never went past 30 and, most of them were just curious. So, with commitment from only about 6 or seven people, it just never got off the ground. It's a huge disappointment for me because I had such great plans. There were going to be prizes, take home goody bags and possibly even some special guests. Maybe one day in the future, we can try again. Until then, I hope to see you all at a Northern Hemisphere JoniFest someday. Mark in Sydney NP Cherokee Louise - Wendy Matthews (the other great Canadian songstress) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 02:52:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: happy start of 2010 (njc) - and Jonifest 2010 Mark, I appreciate all of your efforts to make Ozfest a reality - I think you knew from the start that it would be an uphill climb and you gave it everything you had. One of these days my friend. Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Generator" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:18:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: happy start of 2010 (njc) - and Jonifest 2010 Big ditto from me. I do feel sad, like we lost a beautiful dream, at least for now. But I also feel excited by the prospect of another fest in New Orleans, so "something lost and something gained". Mark, I really hope you will be able to join us and get all cheered up that way. It would be great to meet you. Mr Paz, can you please explain to people like me who are too foreign, and too lazy to look it up, when Labor Day is? Would it perchance be at the same time as the NO Jazz festival? Now THAT would be wicked!!! Lieve - just trying to look after Paz's a*se... ________________________________ From: Bob Muller To: Mark-Leon Thorne ; Lieve Reckers Cc: Walt Breen ; jonipeople LIST ; Michael Paz Sent: Wed, 6 January, 2010 10:52:15 Subject: Re: happy start of 2010 (njc) - and Jonifest 2010 Mark, I appreciate all of your efforts to make Ozfest a reality - I think you knew from the start that it would be an uphill climb and you gave it everything you had. One of these days my friend. Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Generator" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:39:28 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: OzFest 2010 Dead Hi Mark, first of all: there is absolutely no need to apologize! We all know that you have done the very best you could to make this happen. It was up to us jmdlers to sign up and get the show on the road. You did not fail, we did. Then again, a trip to Australia does take some saving for most of us so don't give up the whole idea yet. Maybe there is a large enough group who could agree on saving up a couple of years to make it to Australia? I for one am holding on to my savings thinking I will make the trip in a not too distant future, and if I could combine it with a jonifest that would be just perfect. Anyway, Mark, thank you so much for the enormous enthusiasm and effort you put into this project! I hope you will have the best of years (and decades) and that the future will bring you everything you need to be happy. See you sometime, love and peace, Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark-Leon Thorne" To: "jonipeople LIST" Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: OzFest 2010 Dead > Hello everyone. > > My apologies to those who are getting this twice but I felt that this > message needs to reach the Joni-only people on the list as well. > > OzFest 2010 is now dead. It was a dream of mine to organise the first > ever JoniFest in the Southern Hemisphere but, with only three active JMDL > members in Australia, I knew it was going to be an uphill battle. There > were some who signed up right away to get the ball rolling which made me > think it had a chance. Thanks for your enthusiasm Lieve, Bob and Marion. > Then I got this great deal from a wonderful venue in Kanagaroo Valley in > southern NSW. I needed to get at least 30 people to make it viable > because the deal was for the whole venue. As time slipped by, the > pressure got higher. The venue were getting offers for weddings, etc. > They were disappointed too because the idea of a JoniFest intrigued them. > > I even tried spruiking at the Sydney Opera House before the Joni tribute > show. People politely took my flyer and the lobby bar even allowed me to > put a pile of them on the bar. Final membership of the Yahoo group never > went past 30 and, most of them were just curious. So, with commitment > from only about 6 or seven people, it just never got off the ground. It's > a huge disappointment for me because I had such great plans. There were > going to be prizes, take home goody bags and possibly even some special > guests. > > Maybe one day in the future, we can try again. Until then, I hope to see > you all at a Northern Hemisphere JoniFest someday. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Cherokee Louise - Wendy Matthews (the other great Canadian songstress) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:17:54 +0100 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: RE: maiden name (NJC) now LONG b +The Spanish keep giving the children both names (i.e. Boy-Girl) but that gets complicated very fast (because one Boy-Girl will marry someone called Man-Woman, and the children will have to carry 4 names etc), so in the end you have to be practical and pick one name.b * Actually, Lieve, that is not accurate. What happens is that both men and women keep their birth name all their life, whether they marry or not. The catch is that their birth name is their bfirstb name plus the name of their father and that of their mother (usually, but not necessarily in that order, more on that later). Therefore, for the sake of example, Mr Jordi Puig Maragall marries Miss Consol Cuadrado Serra and neither of them has to change anything related to their names. The mailbox will usually bear the names Jordi Puig and Consol Cuadrado, or sometimes bFamilia Puig-Cuadradob although this is for the convenience of the postman/woman rather than any kind of legal necessity. OK; so far so good, but what happens to their children, Roger and Pilar? They both take the first surnames of both their parents, therefore the kids are Roger Puig Cuadrado and Pilar Puig Cuadrado (or Roger Cuadrado Puig and Pilar Cuadrado Puig if the parents and children prefer this order or the maternal surname is more interesting b think Federico Garcia Lorca; no one refers to him as Garcia). The sharper ones among you will notice, if youbre still awake, that although it seems that the children keep the first surname of both parents, that first surname is the paternal surname rather than the maternal one. In effect, the children carry the surnames of their parents but the maternal grandparentsb names have now disappeared (neither child bears the name of Maragall or Serra). When Roger grows up and marries his partner, their child will still be a firstname Puig Something. In contrast, when his sister Pilar marries her partner, any children they have will be called firstname Something Puig. You can see that along the male line, the name Puig continues as strong in Rogerbs child (and on and on into infinity) as it was in Rogerbs grandfather Jordi (and on and on backwards into history). In contrast, again, every two generations the maternal surname is eliminated. Summary: It takes longer to eliminate the female surname (and family history) in the Spanish system than it does in the English system. The wonderful feminist historian Sheila Rowbotham was once investigating female trade union activists and was constantly losing track of them. They were very active and suddenly they disappeared from historical records. How? Simple; they married and took their husbandbs name. Go for it, Sue Tierney; Welcome back to the original you. xxx mike in bcn np Janis Ian - Might as well be Monday ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: maiden name, NJC Lieve wrote: The question is always: what name for the children? Hi Lieve. I like the way the Icelandic people do names. Oskar Einarsson's children are: Aubi Oskarsdottir Einar Oskarsson Their mom is my friend Hildur Hardarsdottir. Some take use their mother's name, in which case Aubi would be Aubi Hildursdottir. and Lieve wrote: I have always wondered about Joni. I think the name Joni Mitchell is great, it sounds better than Joni Anderson, but still, I can't imagine her being comfortable wearing Chuck's cloak. I guess she considers the Mitchell tag simply her own find, her own creation, just like the change from Joan to Joni... I wonder if she uses Joan Anderson sometimes? She also wrote: I am sick and tired of being asked, when I give my name: "Is that Mrs or Miss?" If I'm in a good mood, I'll say "Whatever. Just put Ms." If I'm in a bad mood, I'll ask them: "Does it matter if I'm available on the marriage market or not? And what about you?" In the rest of Europe, every woman from the age of 20 or so, is now automatically called Mrs whether she's married or not. It's a pity that "Ms" is so difficult to pronounce without sounding pathetic. But I am really disappointed that nobody seems to even try any more to sort this out. I know that hunger and war and climate change are bigger problems, but that should not be a reason to leave this silliness in existence. I love your "whatever" answer. I like how Ms. Rizzo pronounces Ms. Mizzz Rizzo. I'd like to see a movement started to change it to Mz. I am glad I have the option to use Dr. What bugs me is when mail comes addressed to Dr. and Mrs. Stanley. That is redundant since both refer to me. Who is this mail for? Me and me? If they are going to call me Mrs. they'd better call him Mr. Or if they are going to call him Dr., they'd better call me Dr. too. So, they write Dr. and Dr. Stanley. I like Drs. Stanley. Then he gets a taste of the strange rs. The real question might be, why do we even need these titles at all? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:26:44 -0500 From: Susan E McNamara Subject: RE: Ms. Tierney Hi Barry! Thanks so much for your kind words and kudos for the transcription site. I'm so proud to be part of such an amazing collection transcribed by a group of great musicians who just want to share and archive what, in my opinion, is the most beautiful music in the world. Stay tuned, we are hoping to add more tabs soon, including some songs you may have never heard before! :-) (I know that's a nasty teaser!) Take care, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 02:19:23 -0800 (PST) From: Barry Swimar Subject: Ms. Tierney Dear Ms. Tierney, This lurker sends you his deepest gratitude for all your amazing transcriptions, and I whole-heartedly agree that change is good for the soul, even when, like some Joni songs, it is hard. Onward soulful Joni soldiers! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:54:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: maiden name (NJC) now LONG Thanks, Mike.B I'll try to remember those details!B In fact I broadly knew howB it worked, but I expressed myself badly.B When I said: "so in the end you have to be practical and pick one name", I did not mean to say that that was what the Spanish do, but my own personal (subjective) conclusion.B I just think the principle for a woman not to lose her name in marriage is important and worth "fighting" for.B When it comes to naming the children, there are several options, like Laura mentioned about the Icelandic habits.B I just think that no solution is perfect in being able to carry on the name of both father and mother ad infinitum, and your Spanish example is probably the most complex because it tries the hardest! I just think, whatever name a child gets, at least let him or her keep it through life, and not lose it through marriage. In my own case, I accepted without argument that my children would get their father's surname (because in spite of my father-in-law thinking I was the rudest extremist in the land for keeping my own name, I had no intention of upsetting him or anyone further) but I did give my sons the name "Reckers" as one of their first names, so in a way I thought that would help with school and other places, to establish the link.B And I must say I have never encountered any problem with anyone saying: "Oh I didn't know you are their mother because you have a different name", it was never a problem.B My boys are quite happy with their funny Reckers middle name, and they find it perfectly normal that I go by my own name.B I am now trying to convince their girlfriends, that if they ever think of getting married, to keep their own name.B But I have reassured them that I will never make it a matter to fall out over, because I don't want anyone to go through theB upset and insult I experienced.B (Just a bit more about that. To be rejected for something personal like that was a terrible slap in the face.B After all, I only wanted to keep my own name, I wasn't insisting on calling my mother-in-law by her maiden name, orB insisting onB my own surnameB for my boys.B I just wanted to stay myself.B My father-in-law, otherwise a well educated man of the world,B even quoted the bible against me!B I began to see him as an ayatollah-type figureB who wanted to force me to wear a veil. It made me understand a lot about being the object of intolerance and prejudice, to feel what it must be like for someone who is gay, for instance, to be rejected for what you are and feel, and to be told "it is against God's wishes".B I'd better stop, because I can feel the rage of injustice come back with full force...) Lieve in London ________________________________ From: Mike Pritchard To: list ; Lieve Reckers Sent: Wed, 6 January, 2010 13:17:54 Subject: RE: maiden name (NJC) now LONG b +The Spanish keepgiving the children both names (i.e. Boy-Girl) but that gets complicated very fast (because one Boy-Girl will marry someone called Man-Woman, and the children will have to carry 4 names etc), so in the end you have to be practical and pick one name.b * Actually, Lieve, that is not accurate. What happens is that both men and women keep their birth name all their life, whether they marry or not. The catch is that their birth name is their bfirstb name plus the name of their father and that of their mother (usually, but not necessarily in that order, more on that later). Therefore, for the sake of example, Mr Jordi Puig Maragall marries Miss Consol Cuadrado Serra and neither of them has to change anything related to their names. The mailbox will usually bear the names Jordi Puig and Consol Cuadrado, or sometimes bFamilia Puig-Cuadradob although this is for the convenience of the postman/woman rather than any kind of legal necessity. OK; so far so good, but what happens to their children, Roger and Pilar? They both take the first surnames of both their parents, therefore the kids are Roger Puig Cuadrado and Pilar Puig Cuadrado (or Roger Cuadrado Puig and Pilar Cuadrado Puig if the parents and children prefer this order or the maternal surname is more interesting b think Federico Garcia Lorca; no one refers to him as Garcia). The sharper ones among you will notice, if youbre still awake, that although it seems that the children keep the first surname of both parents, that first surname is the paternal surname rather than the maternal one. In effect, the children carry the surnames of their parents but the maternal grandparentsb names have now disappeared (neither child bears the name of Maragall or Serra). When Roger grows up and marries his partner, their child will still be a firstname Puig Something. In contrast, when his sister Pilar marries her partner, any children they have will be calledB firstname Something Puig. You can see that along the male line, the name Puig continues as strong in Rogerbs child (and on and on into infinity) as it was in Rogerbs grandfather Jordi (and on and on backwards into history). In contrast, again, every two generations the maternal surname is eliminated. Summary: It takes longer to eliminate the female surname (and family history) in the Spanish system than it does in the English system. The wonderful feminist historian Sheila Rowbotham was once investigating female trade union activists and was constantly losing track of them. They were very active and suddenly they disappeared from historical records. How? Simple; they married and took their husbandbs name. Go for it, Sue Tierney; Welcome backB to the original you. xxxB mike in bcn np Janis Ian - Might as well be Monday ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:25:02 -0700 From: Walt Breen Subject: RE: happy start of 2010 (njc) - and Jonifest 2010 Michael, you know at least as well as any of us that sin needs no incentive; like virtue, it is it own reward.--walt CC: lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk; joni@smoe.org; mark-leon@iinet.net.au From: michael@thepazgroup.com To: littlebreen@live.com Subject: Re: happy start of 2010 (njc) - and Jonifest 2010 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:20:22 -0600 All these gentle nudges!! Are you people trying to tell me something?? I am trying to find dates that will work for me. Stayed tuned to this channel for news in this regard. The rumors are true seeing as some guy under the influence of some heavy medication (Thanks Dave Robin Kakki Jimmy et.al.) I made some drunken promise to host another of these blessed things we call JoniFests in the city of New Orleans. Just remember all of you who promised to help me this time around (and you know who you are!!!!) Leading potential weekend is Labor Day as it is Southern Decadence weekend in New Orleans and that would really give all you sinners some added extra incentive. I will get back to you soon as I know I have to get off this bloody fence. Besides my arse is killing me! Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 5, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Walt Breen wrote: Lieve said: <> Oh, God I'd love that -- haven't been to Nawlins since January '98, when I took Robert there for his first time. Whadaya say, Paz? I'd go, even in AUGUST (bleah!) Ciao, Walt <<...Best of all: the return of Walt Breen! Walt!!! What a lovely surprise! You know, we had a Jonifest in SoCal last September, and I asked a couple of people about you, but nobody had any news, so what good fortune to have you back here! Really sorry for the hard times you have gone through, but I trust you are in a much better space now (mentally and physically, cause Utah really is a beautiful place) and that you will hang around for a good long time. You asked a number of questions, and you've probably had all the answers by now, but just in case this answer did not come through: Joni has lost both her parents by now. Her dad went first, and her mum more recently.>> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:14:19 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: maiden names njc The one problem we have encountered with having different last names is that we didn't know what to do when we had kids in terms of last name, so we hyphenated, which at the time seemed like a good idea. WELL. Now we have 4 kids with the last name "Tolley-Procyk", and let me tell you, it doesn't roll off the tongue, and it's a royal pain in the arse when you are filling out forms and making appointments and teaching them to spell their names. Since I've got the hard to pronounce last name, the kids always screw it up and leave it off and yada yada.... If we had to do it over again, we wouldn't have hyphenated - we'd pick one or the other and roll with it. If it wasn't such a headache to change names, we'd do it now. My fear is that they will marry someone hyphenated and my first grandchild will be Johnny Tolley-Procyk-Jolie-Pitt or something. Maybe we'll all just switch to Mitchell too - seems to have worked wonders for Joan! Rob P.S. Does anyone remember at the Mendel thing when someone was thanking the "Mitchell" family for something or other instead of saying Anderson, and Myrtle looked like she was going get up and beat the crap out of him? LOL, she was not impressed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:53:44 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Warren Beatty - Same Situation Just stumbled across this article about a forthcoming Warren Beatty biography - reminds me that I really should floss more often!! http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/books/01/04/warren.beatty.biography/ > In his prime, Warren Beatty may have been known > as one of Hollywood's most famous Casanovas. But > did he really sleep with more than 12,000 women, > as an upcoming biography claims? >snip> > At one point, Biskind does "simple arithmetic" to > assess the numerous notches on Beatty's bedpost. > The author claims that Beatty, who has been attached to > Mary Tyler Moore, Cher, Joni Mitchell and Natalie Wood, > said that he couldn't go to sleep without having sex. > "It was part of his routine, like flossing," Biskind writes. > "If he had no more than one partner a night -- and often > there were several -- over a period of, say, three and a > half decades from the mid-1950s ... to 1991, when he > met Annette Bening, and allowing for the stretches when > he was with the same woman, more or less, we can > arrive at a figure of 12,775 women, give or take," Biskind > wrote. This is not a figure, he added, that includes > "daytime quickies, drive-by [encounters], casual gropings, > stolen kisses, and so on." best to all PaulC NP Joni singing - "You've had lots of lovely women Now you turn your gaze to me Weighing the beauty and the imperfection To see if I'm worthy" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:09:53 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: maiden name (NJC) now LONG This is a topic that is dear to my heart, if something that pisses one off can be dear to one's heart. Sometimes I just love getting pissed off! So much of who we are is tied up in our name, the name we have been called all our lives. To expect one person to give up that name suggests that they also need to give up a part of themself, and that makes me angry. I do remember the issue coming up, early on after I had married, with my MOTHER-IN-LAW getting upset over my saying something related to my wishing I had kept my birth (not maiden!!!) name. She insisted that her married name (and mine at that point) was a noble one and should be carried on and the kids should have that name and blah-blah-blah. It wasn't even her bloody name to begin with, but her husband's! And he was someone who cheated on her! So, I have wonder, WTF? My son has mentioned wanting to change his surname to mine. I've told him what's needed to do that (and it's not that difficult, but takes some money and a bunch of forms to be filled out), but also reminded him that he would need to deal with his father's upset feelings about this. I don't want to push him one way or another, but he needs to be sure that this is right for him and I'd support him all the way, but highly doubt his father would. (The way the naming of babies now works, at least in my province, is that the parents choose which last name (father's or mother's) the child will take, or any combination thereof (both names hyphenated in whichever order they choose) and if, within a certain amount of time, no decision has been made, then the child's surname would be both parents', in alpha order, with a hyphen in between - I don't think this was an option when my kids were born, or at least, not one that was well known.) Good for you and your advice to your sons' girlfriends. I think it's important to hang on to your soul and to your name - unless it is entirely your choice to change it for any reason whatsoever. I do know people who either changed their surnames to their mother's - both of the people I can recall who have done this had fathers who were either very abusive or who abandoned the family early on, so it's not surprising they'd want their mother's name. I also thought of going as far back matrilineally as I could and pick whichever name was the oldest one we were aware of, which is my maternal grandmother's birth name; later, I figured that might be a waste of time, since I was used to my own name after living with it for so long. And if you absolutely can't stand your name, for whatever reason, you should be able to change it to whatever you want (although it's a good idea to be mature and sober when you do this!) As you mentioned, the weird emotions that these types of issues evoke can really be an eye-opener, and certainly made me question and reject a whole lot of things that, at one time, I might have considered "right," just because they were what our society or culture considered normal. It is interesting too how angry people can get about this, which suggests they haven't given it a lot of rational thought, or don't want to because maybe it opens up other cans of worms they'd rather not deal with, including issues related to racism, sexism and a whole bunch of other isms and that humungous bugaboo: the rights of gay people to marry (although I wonder about the whole necessity of marriage, because of the notion of becoming someone else's "property", as well as the utter hassle it is when marriage breaks up - recognizing that, even if you aren't married, but are long-term partners, breaking up is still a hassle.) But to use some foolish notion that "God wants it that way and everything else is a sin" is just SO wrong and illogical. I feel your rage, Lieve, but rage can be good, so let's keep the righteous fires burning! ________________________________ From: Lieve Reckers To: Mike Pritchard ; list Cc: sillyseabird@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 10:54:52 AM Subject: Re: maiden name (NJC) now LONG I just think, whatever name a child gets, at least let him or her keep it through life, and not lose it through marriage. In my own case, I accepted without argument that my children would get their father's surname (because in spite of my father-in-law thinking I was the rudest extremist in the land for keeping my own name, I had no intention of upsetting him or anyone further) ... I am now trying to convince their girlfriends, that if they ever think of getting married, to keep their own name.B But I have reassured them that I will never make it a matter to fall out over, because I don't want anyone to go through theB upset and insult I experienced.B (Just a bit more about that. To be rejected for something personal like that was a terrible slap in the face.B After all, I only wanted to keep my own name, I wasn't insisting on calling my mother-in-law by her maiden name, orB insisting onB my own surnameB for my boys.B I just wanted to stay myself.B My father-in-law, otherwise a well educated man of the world,B even quoted the bible against me!B I began to see him as an ayatollah-type figureB who wanted to force me to wear a veil. It made me understand a lot about being the object of intolerance and prejudice, to feel what it must be like for someone who is gay, for instance, to be rejected for what you are and feel, and to be told "it is against God's wishes".B I'd better stop, because I can feel the rage of injustice come back with full force...) Lieve in London I just think the principle for a woman not to lose her name in marriage is important and worth "fighting" for.B When it comes to naming the children, there are several options, like Laura mentioned about the Icelandic habits.... __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:22:31 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Warren Beatty - Same Situation Aha! Now I know why I have so much trouble sleeping! To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 2:53:44 PM Subject: Warren Beatty - Same Situation Just stumbled across this article about a forthcoming Warren Beatty biography - reminds me that I really should floss more often!! http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/books/01/04/warren.beatty.biography/ > In his prime, Warren Beatty may have been known > as one of Hollywood's most famous Casanovas. But > did he really sleep with more than 12,000 women, > as an upcoming biography claims? ... > The author claims that Beatty, who has been attached to > Mary Tyler Moore, Cher, Joni Mitchell and Natalie Wood, > said that he couldn't go to sleep without having sex. > "It was part of his routine, like flossing," Biskind writes. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:09:38 -0500 From: Subject: Folk Alliance (njc) Michael Paz wrote: >P.S. Anyone going to Folk Alliance this year in Feb?? Sadly, not I. The economy is really doing in the Dulson family finances...oh, yes, and there was that trip to England last year to celebrate my 60th...oh, and that Jonifest thing :)...and I wouldn't have missed either! But no, no money for a trip to Memphis next month. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:51:22 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Warren Beatty - Same Situation Oh geez. I would have taken a cold bath in sanitizer if I slept with him! - -Mon - --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Paul Castle wrote: Just stumbled across this article about a forthcoming Warren Beatty biography - reminds me that I really should floss more often!! http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/books/01/04/warren.beatty.biography/ > In his prime, Warren Beatty may have been known > as one of Hollywood's most famous Casanovas. But > did he really sleep with more than 12,000 women, > as an upcoming biography claims? >snip> > At one point, Biskind does "simple arithmetic" to > assess the numerous notches on Beatty's bedpost. > The author claims that Beatty, who has been attached to > Mary Tyler Moore, Cher, Joni Mitchell and Natalie Wood, > said that he couldn't go to sleep without having sex. > "It was part of his routine, like flossing," Biskind writes. > "If he had no more than one partner a night -- and often > there were several -- over a period of, say, three and a > half decades from the mid-1950s ... to 1991, when he > met Annette Bening, and allowing for the stretches when > he was with the same woman, more or less, we can > arrive at a figure of 12,775 women, give or take," Biskind > wrote. This is not a figure, he added, that includes > "daytime quickies, drive-by [encounters], casual gropings, > stolen kisses, and so on." best to all PaulC NP Joni singing - "You've had lots of lovely women Now you turn your gaze to me Weighing the beauty and the imperfection To see if I'm worthy" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Warren Beatty - Same Situation It's kind of a grim reminder of how the name "douchebag" came to exist. Speaking of which, this name generator is pretty complex and ultimately pretty darn funny. http://www.douchebagnamegenerator.com/ ________________________________ From: Monika Bogdanowicz To: Paul Castle ; Joni people! Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 6:51:22 PM Subject: Re: Warren Beatty - Same Situation Oh geez. I would have taken a cold bath in sanitizer if I slept with him! - -Mon - --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Paul Castle wrote: __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #5 *************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------