From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #370 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 17 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 370 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC [Bob Muller Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC I'm a Dylan fan but that album is pure-T awful. Bob - ----- Original Message ---- From: Cassy To: JMDL Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 11:09:00 PM Subject: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Bob Dylan like you've never heard him! The free single of the week on i-Tunes. http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=345980434&v0=US_NMT_121509_NOACCTS&s=143441 Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:26:33 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC The download doesn't work for us Canajuns, but I've heard it before. And if you haven't already seen it, here's the video. I love it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVjC15jhtw To: JMDL Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 11:09:00 PM Subject: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Bob Dylan like you've never heard him! The free single of the week on i-Tunes. http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=345980434&v0=U S_NMT_121509_NOACCTS&s=143441 Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:30:44 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC It depends on how you look at it. By no means should you take it seriously. I see your point about it being awful and yet I think it's a lot of fun. ________________________________ From: Bob Muller To: Cassy ; JMDL Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:05:30 AM Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC I'm a Dylan fan but that album is pure-T awful. Bob - ----- Original Message ---- From: Cassy To: JMDL Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 11:09:00 PM Subject: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Bob Dylan like you've never heard him! The free single of the week on i-Tunes. http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=345980434&v0=US_NMT_121509_NOACCTS&s=143441 Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:33:00 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Ghost Brothers of Darkland County" - NJC Sounds interesting. I especially like this part, because sometimes I feel as if imagination is something that has been completely lost: "But here we have something that's become way out of fashion: An audio program that allows the listener the opportunity to use his or her imagination! We live in the video world now, where everything is spoonfed for us and shown to us-so that it's become quite an effort to fully involve the listener. So we've tried to make the listeners part of the process: Their imagination comes into play in the same way they read a book-or the way they listened to records before music videos came along." __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:18:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC By no means should you take it seriously.> And therein lies the problem for me...rather than seeming to have fun or do it tongue-in-cheek, he does everything on the album straight up, expecting us to take it seriously. And it is seriously bad. But I don't want to beat him up about it, he's had a great decade overall, certainly stronger than Joni's musically. Bob NP: Cannonball Adderly, "Who Cares?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:43:51 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC I'm not sure why, but I've always hated that song. Even as a kid, I didn't like it. That being said, it seems like every year, a song or carol speaks to me like never before. Last year it was "i'll be Home For Christmas" This year, I've been loving the minor-keyed "Coventry Carol" Anyone else find a holiday song jumping out at them in a new way this year? Ken - -----Original Message----- From: Cassy To: JMDL Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:09 pm Subject: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Bob Dylan like you've never heard him! The free single of the week on i-Tunes. http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=345980434&v0=U S_NMT_121509_NOACCTS&s=143441 Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:39:15 -0500 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Christmas in Killarney & Blue Christmas Rosie In burrrrrrrrr NJ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:43 AM, kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > I'm not sure why, but I've always hated that song. Even as a kid, I > didn't > like it. > That being said, it seems like every year, a song or carol speaks to > me like > never before. Last year it was "i'll be Home For Christmas" > This year, I've been loving the minor-keyed "Coventry Carol" > Anyone else find a holiday song jumping out at them in a new way > this year? > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cassy > To: JMDL > Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:09 pm > Subject: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC > > > Bob Dylan like you've never heard him! The free single of the week > on i-Tunes. > > http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=345980434&v0=U > S_NMT_121509_NOACCTS&s=143441 > > Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity > ~ me ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:24:01 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC My friend Aldon has the perfect description of the Dylan Xmas album (which I love): " Imagine a Christmas dinner ca 1956 -- the grandparents and all the cousins are on hand -- then, after too much turkey and at least three egg noggs more than your dad had, Jewish uncle Bob (married to Aunt Mary during her bohemian college days) gets up and starts croaking along with the family stereo playing the Christmas carols (the arrangements are all right out of the 50s, delightfully so), except for the first part of "I'll Be Home for Christmas," which sounds like Tom Waits threatening to come to your house instead of Santa -- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob > Muller > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:18 AM > To: Catherine McKay; Cassy; JMDL > Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC > > By no means should you take it seriously.> > > And therein lies the problem for me...rather than seeming to have fun > or do it tongue-in-cheek, he does everything on the album straight up, > expecting us to take it seriously. And it is seriously bad. But I don't > want to beat him up about it, he's had a great decade overall, > certainly stronger than Joni's musically. > > Bob > > NP: Cannonball Adderly, "Who Cares?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:11:28 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Often for me, it's the version of the song, rather than the song itself. I agree with Rosie on "Blue Christmas" and it has to be the Elvis version. And even if I hate a lot of the cutesy songs, I get a big kick out of Bruuuuuuuce's version of "Santa Claus is coming to town." On the sentimental side, I like "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." There are a few different versions of that that I like although no one particular version jumps out right now. On the other hand, on the plus side, I can't think right off about a version I can't stand either. The older I get, the more this song means to me. I think I hated it when i was a kid, and my kids don't like it either. I don't care for the song "Must be Santa" either, and I don't think I ever even heard this one until my kids were in daycare or early years at school, but the Dylan video makes me laugh. He looks like Ebenezer Scrooge who wandered in to a great big house party. ________________________________ From: Rose M Joy To: "kjhsf@aol.com" Cc: "Siquomb@Comcast.net" ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 10:39:15 AM Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Christmas in Killarney & Blue Christmas Rosie In burrrrrrrrr NJ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:43 AM, kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > I'm not sure why, but I've always hated that song. Even as a kid, I didn't > like it. > That being said, it seems like every year, a song or carol speaks to me like > never before. Last year it was "i'll be Home For Christmas" > This year, I've been loving the minor-keyed "Coventry Carol" > Anyone else find a holiday song jumping out at them in a new way this year? > Ken > > __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:35:25 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC I DID get a chuckle out of the video, too! My mom loves Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, too! I just heard on the radio a version that was a mix of Nat King Coles' The Christmas Song (which was my Dad's favorite version) that blended with Frank Sinatra's version. It was very well mixed, although I am so familiar with Nat's version that I was totally aware as it shifted to Sinatra. Still, a very masterly editing job. Has anyone else heard this posthumous duet? Ken - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay To: Rose M Joy ; kjhsf@aol.com Cc: Siquomb@Comcast.net ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2009 11:11 am Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Often for me, it's the version of the song, rather than the song itself. I agree with Rosie on "Blue Christmas" and it has to be the Elvis version. And even if I hate a lot of the cutesy songs, I get a big kick out of Bruuuuuuuce's version of "Santa Claus is coming to town." On the sentimental side, I like "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." There are a few different versions of that that I like although no one particular version jumps out right now. On the other hand, on the plus side, I can't think right off about a version I can't stand either. The older I get, the more this song means to me. I think I hated it when i was a kid, and my kids don't like it either. I don't care for the song "Must be Santa" either, and I don't think I ever even heard this one until my kids were in daycare or early years at school, but the Dylan video makes me laugh. He looks like Ebenezer Scrooge who wandered in to a great big house party. From: Rose M Joy To: "kjhsf@aol.com" Cc: "Siquomb@Comcast.net" ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 10:39:15 AM Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Christmas in Killarney & Blue Christmas Rosie In burrrrrrrrr NJ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:43 AM, kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > I'm not sure why, but I've always hated that song. Even as a kid, I didn't > like it. > That being said, it seems like every year, a song or carol speaks to me like > never before. Last year it was "i'll be Home For Christmas" > This year, I've been loving the minor-keyed "Coventry Carol" > Anyone else find a holiday song jumping out at them in a new way this year? > Ken > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC Aldon is brilliant. He has described it perfectly. I was going to say it would probably help to be a few sheets to the wind before listening, because then you could just sing along - badly - and enjoy yourself immensely. ________________________________ From: Richard Flynn To: Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay ; Cassy ; JMDL Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 12:24:01 PM Subject: RE: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC My friend Aldon has the perfect description of the Dylan Xmas album (which I love): " Imagine a Christmas dinner ca 1956 -- the grandparents and all the cousins are on hand -- then, after too much turkey and at least three egg noggs more than your dad had, Jewish uncle Bob (married to Aunt Mary during her bohemian college days) gets up and starts croaking along with the family stereo playing the Christmas carols (the arrangements are all right out of the 50s, delightfully so), except for the first part of "I'll Be Home for Christmas," which sounds like Tom Waits threatening to come to your house instead of Santa - -- __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:59:34 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC That is an excellent and accurate comparison...and I wouldn't want a recording of that session either. Bob NP: Bobby Broom, "Wichita Lineman" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:20:51 -0500 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC I Agee too Catherine.....it's the version of the song. my favorite Bruce Xmas song is Merry Christmas, Baby by Bruce and I have a funny story to go with that one. You see most every year at Convention Hall in Asbury, Bruce has this Holiday Show. Tickets go for 100.00 all proceeds goes to local charities. Well this one particular year a fan happened to run into Bruce and asks him to call his wife on his cell and say "Merry Christmas, Baby when he hands the phone over. well Bruce is happy to do this, but the wife is in disbelief and mutters some curse words and hangs up on Bruce! I read about the story on a Bruce fansite. After one of the Xmas shows my friend Annie & I are walking down Ocean Ave in the bitter cold that Dec. brings....Annie was wearing one of the Santa hats she is selling to raise money for the food bank with a sack of these hats in tote and lo and behold along comes Bruce driving his corvette. I spot him and yell "Merry Christmas Baby"!!! Bruce stops short and rolls the window down ;0) I star struck lookover to Annie who is bent over counting the hats she has yet to sell unaware of the occurance and misses the whole encounter. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Often for me, it's the version of the song, rather than the song > itself. I > agree with Rosie on "Blue Christmas" and it has to be the Elvis > version. And > even if I hate a lot of the cutesy songs, I get a big kick out of > Bruuuuuuuce's version of "Santa Claus is coming to town." > > On the sentimental > side, I like "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." There are a few > different versions of that that I like although no one particular > version > jumps out right now. On the other hand, on the plus side, I can't > think right > off about a version I can't stand either. The older I get, the more > this song > means to me. I think I hated it when i was a kid, and my kids don't > like it > either. > > I don't care for the song "Must be Santa" either, and I don't think I > ever even heard this one until my kids were in daycare or early > years at > school, but the Dylan video makes me laugh. He looks like Ebenezer > Scrooge who > wandered in to a great big house party. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rose M Joy > To: "kjhsf@aol.com" > Cc: > "Siquomb@Comcast.net" ; "joni@smoe.org" > > Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 10:39:15 AM > Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single > of the Week - NJC > > Christmas in Killarney & Blue Christmas > > Rosie > In > burrrrrrrrr NJ > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:43 AM, > kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > >> I'm not sure why, but I've always hated that song. > Even as a kid, I didn't >> like it. >> That being said, it seems like every > year, a song or carol speaks to me like >> never before. Last year it was > "i'll be Home For Christmas" >> This year, I've been loving the minor-keyed > "Coventry Carol" >> Anyone else find a holiday song jumping out at them in a > new way this year? >> Ken >> >> > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter > than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot > with the > All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New > Mail today or > register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:51:21 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Catherine McKay" > On the sentimental > side, I like "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." There are a few > different versions of that that I like although no one particular version > jumps out right now. From Wikipedia: However, when presented with the original draft, Garland, her co-star Tom Drake and director Vincente Minnelli criticized the song as depressing: Have yourself a merry little Christmas, it may be your last, Next year we may all be living in the past Have yourself a merry little Christmas, pop that champagne cork, Next year we will all be living in New York. No good times like the olden days, happy golden days of yore, Faithful friends who were dear to us, will be near to us no more. But at least we all will be together, if the Fates allow, From now on we'll have to muddle through somehow. So have yourself a merry little Christmas now.[3] Though he initially resisted, songwriter Hugh Martin made several changes to make the song more upbeat. Me now: I guess Hugh Martin was the lyricist, not Ralph Blane: The song was credited to Hugh Martin and Ralph Blane, although during a December 21, 2006 NPR interview, Martin said that Blane had encouraged him to write the song but had not had anything more to do with writing it. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_Yourself_a_Merry_Little_Christmas Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:28:30 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Must Be Santa - Single of the Week - NJC - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Catherine McKay" > On the sentimental > side, I like "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." There are a few > different versions of that that I like although no one particular version > jumps out right now. On the other hand, on the plus side, I can't think > right > off about a version I can't stand either. The older I get, the more this > song > means to me. I think I hated it when i was a kid, and my kids don't like > it > either. Well it will come as no surprise to anyone on this list that my favorite version of this song is the original. Judy Garland singing it to Margaret O'Brien in 'Meet Me in St. Louis'. The lyricist Ralph Blane tells a story about some additional lyrics that Judy refused to sing because they were, well, just wrong. I don't remember what these lyrics were, but in the particular program I saw, Mr. Blane sang them and they did sound clunky and silly. He said at the time he was young and egotistical and got into a bit of a snit. In retrospect, he said he realized that Judy was right, though. There are 2 versions to the lyrics. Judy sings the sadder version which includes 'until then we'll have to muddle through somehow', replaced in most versions with 'hang a shining star upon the highest bow'. I think Linda Ronstadt actually sang it both ways on her Christmas cd. That's a nice version as well. The song is well-suited to Linda's voice and singing style. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #370 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------