From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #367 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 14 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 367 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: family outing at the record store ["Mark" ] Re: family outing at the record store [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: family outing at the record store [Rose M Joy ] Re: family outing at the record store [Mags ] Re: family outing at the record store [Mags ] Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution - now NJC [L] River cover [Garret ] Re: River cover [Mags ] Re: River cover [Bob Muller ] Re: River cover [Garret ] Re: family outing at the record store [Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: family outing at the record store - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mags" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:15 PM To: Subject: family outing at the record store > Remind me what year this was made Without looking it up I believe it was 1968. I could look it up on line...it > doesnt say, anywhere on the LP, inside or out. Hmm. I thought there was > writing on the cover art, Song to a Seagull, but I dont see that either. The seagulls up in the right hand corner spell it out. Should be on your lp. That is a lovely find, Mags Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:07:17 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: family outing at the record store "Song To a Seagull" written in seagulls, Mags of the prairies. Read the seagulls. Mark in hot and humid Sydney. NP Push - Prince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:22:38 -0500 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: family outing at the record store Mags, What an awesome find and at a bargain to boot! I love these vintage vinyl stores. I found a Bruce 45 "Secret Garden" in mint condition with original sleeve for $3. The only Joni record that was salvaged from my original collection was Clouds(not in good shape from being played so much and the sleeve is scuffed.) I have a lot vinyl from my beloved brother Richard, but again not in good condition. Sad because his collection is from the 60 -70's Beatles gallore. He was stationed in England during the Vietnam war, so much purchased there. Song to a Seagull is written on the debut album btw... Rosie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Mags wrote: > During our Saturday family outing, we spent some time at Into The > Music, > a place for used as well as new music, located in the Exchange > District in > downtown Winnipeg. Our boyo found a vinyl copy of 'Joni Mitchell' in > excellent > shape, on sale to boot, from 7 dollars down to 5.75. No turn table > here, but > nice to have it anyhoozles. > > The art work is wonderful, as is the line inside, This album is > dedicated to > Mr. Kratzman, who taught me to love words. (I know, this isnt news > but still, > a lovely find). In the line up, the man ahead of me was buying > Hejira on CD; > the woman behind me, Miles of Aisles, for her grand daughter. Lots > of shared > smiles, nods, mmm Joni~ness. > > Remind me what year this was made, I know, I could look it up on > line...it > doesnt say, anywhere on the LP, inside or out. Hmm. I thought there > was > writing on the cover art, Song to a Seagull, but I dont see that > either. Isnt > it on the CD? I no longer have that, so I cant look. > > > Mags > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet > Explorer. > 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at > http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:37:26 -0500 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: family outing at the record store Yeah and now I am sorry I gave my daughter his turntables and receiver. My granddaughter Anastasia is now a huge Beatles fan. Guess what she is getting for Christmas? ;0) Now if only she was into Joni.... lol But at least me knows she was Strongly influenced by;0) Happy Sunday Rosie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Mags wrote: > well this store has as much vinyl as cds, perhaps more. there was a > guy in line who bought a used turn table that they had no need for, > used to belong to the owner or something, got it for 3 bills...a > denon? cant remember exactly but it looked in fine condition...vinyl > is making its return..nice to see that. > > nice find for you on the Bruce score as well... > > Mags xo > > > > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Rose M Joy wrote: > > From: Rose M Joy > Subject: Re: family outing at the record store > To: "Mags" > Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > Received: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:22 AM > > Mags, > > What an awesome find and at a bargain to boot! I love these vintage > vinyl stores. I found a Bruce 45 "Secret Garden" in mint condition > with original sleeve for $3. The only Joni record that was salvaged > from my original collection was Clouds(not in good shape from being > played so much and the sleeve is scuffed.) I have a lot vinyl from > my beloved brother Richard, but again not in good condition. Sad > because his collection is from the 60 -70's Beatles gallore. He was > stationed in England during the Vietnam war, so much purchased > there. Song to a Seagull is written on the debut album btw... > > > Rosie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 12, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Mags wrote: > > > During our Saturday family outing, we spent some time at Into The > Music, > > a place for used as well as new music, located in the Exchange > District in > > downtown Winnipeg. Our boyo found a vinyl copy of 'Joni Mitchell' > in excellent > > shape, on sale to boot, from 7 dollars down to 5.75. No turn > table here, but > > nice to have it anyhoozles. > > > > The art work is wonderful, as is the line inside, This album is > dedicated to > > Mr. Kratzman, who taught me to love words. (I know, this isnt news > but still, > > a lovely find). In the line up, the man ahead of me was buying > Hejira on CD; > > the woman behind me, Miles of Aisles, for her grand daughter. Lots > of shared > > smiles, nods, mmm Joni~ness. > > > > Remind me what year this was made, I know, I could look it up on > line...it > > doesnt say, anywhere on the LP, inside or out. Hmm. I thought > there was > > writing on the cover art, Song to a Seagull, but I dont see that > either. Isnt > > it on the CD? I no longer have that, so I cant look. > > > > > > Mags > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet > Explorer. > > 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at > > http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:21:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: family outing at the record store thanks for the info , Mark and Richard...as we were sitting on the couch looking at it from across the room, there it was in plain sight. A great big DOH moment ;) Such beautiful art. I was not aware of Joni when this was released. yea, cold here, windchill factor dancing down around the -40 mark last night...crazy to imagine...but you learn to not be outside unless you've got 92 layers of stuff on. I'll send some chilled air to you, Mark. Mags - --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: family outing at the record store To: margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca Cc: "jmdl LIST" Received: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 5:07 AM "Song To a Seagull" written in seagulls, Mags of the prairies. Read the seagulls. Mark in hot and humid Sydney. NP Push - Prince __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:27:13 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: family outing at the record store well this store has as much vinyl as cds, perhaps more. there was a guy in line who bought a used turn table that they had no need for, used to belong to the owner or something, got it for 3 bills...a denon? cant remember exactly but it looked in fine condition...vinyl is making its return..nice to see that. nice find for you on the Bruce score as well... Mags xo - --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Rose M Joy wrote: From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: family outing at the record store To: "Mags" Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Received: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:22 AM Mags, What an awesome find and at a bargain to boot! I love these vintage vinyl stores. I found a Bruce 45 "Secret Garden" in mint condition with original sleeve for $3. The only Joni record that was salvaged from my original collection was Clouds(not in good shape from being played so much and the sleeve is scuffed.) I have a lot vinyl from my beloved brother Richard, but again not in good condition. Sad because his collection is from the 60 -70's Beatles gallore. He was stationed in England during the Vietnam war, so much purchased there. Song to a Seagull is written on the debut album btw... Rosie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Mags wrote: > During our Saturday family outing, we spent some time at Into The Music, > a place for used as well as new music, located in the Exchange District in > downtown Winnipeg. Our boyo found a vinyl copy of 'Joni Mitchell' in excellent > shape, on sale to boot, from 7 dollars down to 5.75. No turn table here, but > nice to have it anyhoozles. > > The art work is wonderful, as is the line inside, This album is dedicated to > Mr. Kratzman, who taught me to love words. (I know, this isnt news but still, > a lovely find). In the line up, the man ahead of me was buying Hejira on CD; > the woman behind me, Miles of Aisles, for her grand daughter. Lots of shared > smiles, nods, mmm Joni~ness. > > Remind me what year this was made, I know, I could look it up on line...it > doesnt say, anywhere on the LP, inside or out. Hmm. I thought there was > writing on the cover art, Song to a Seagull, but I dont see that either. Isnt > it on the CD? I no longer have that, so I cant look. > > > Mags > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. > 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at > http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:02:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution - now NJC I'm really happy with the couple of replies I have received. First of all, Jim seemed to "get" what I was saying, and I take that as a true compliment, because I know he has good ears! Then Mark opened up the discussion into areas like art and the past, and touched thereby on many emotions that are close to my heart, so I'd like to react and write a bit more, NJC this time. Mark, I totally agree that age can affect the way we perceive and experience things. Old knowledge accumulates and colours our new experiences. It can be positive or negative, depending on whether we become selective or blinkered, and I guess the line between the two isn't always clear. We can only try to stay open minded, on the positive side. And as you say, Mark, sometimes we even manage to become more appreciative and accepting with age. I hope I will never lose my ability to be in awe of things. Having said that most popular music doesn't have much of a surprise factor for me any more, I can still marvel at anyone who can play a piano beautifully, who dares to sing with true feeling, kids who put a band together and make it swing, etc... My theory is just that maybe popular music is past its creative innovative peak (even though a lot of new talented people are continuing the tradition), and that one day, we - or those behind us - will be surpried by something entirely new in music, something that we cannot yet predict or envision now. Luckily there is so much else in the world to make us marvel. Art, as you say Mark, is an inexhaustible well. I'm lucky here in London. Each time I need some more soul food, I take myself to one of the big museums, concentrate on one little corner, do some research, and feel totally exhilirated again. I also feel that little gestures between people, small sparks of unexpected commmunication, can give you a real "high". For example, a few weeks ago I saw a young guy in the supermarket with a fantastic head of long brown curly hair, and I walked up to him and said: "Sorry, I hope I don't embarrass you, but I think your hair is fantastic. I have sons of your age and unfortunately I can't convince them to grow their hair long, but it's wonderful to see someone with hair the way I was used to seeing it in the seventies." (I especially added the bit about my sons and the seventies so that he knew I wasn't kidding myself about trying to chat him up.) Well he was so pleased to be told, he shook my hand and said he had been thinking about cutting it but now he wasn't going to, and we both walked away with a big smile on our face. I think that's one way we can keep marvelling in life... And lastly, Mark, I was so happy to read what you said about the past. I think this is really something where age helps up to learn and appreciate. The older I get, the more I realise how fast time goes and therefore how close we are to the past. As a child, when I heard people talk about the war (WW2), I could not relate to it at all, it was ancient history. Now I realise that I was born so closely after that war, and that even a hundred years is nothing, that we can easily touch the past if we keep our mind open, if we just listen and read and think. My grandfather told me how his great-great-grandfather had been forcibly recruited into Napoleon's army, and had been feared lost, but came back after a few years, having walked home all the way from Russia. The more I can relate to those sort of stories, the more I feel I can touch the past and the more the past can touch me. This is not a question of being stuck in the past, of being an old fuddy duddy, it is extending my soul, my being, being one with everything that has ever been, and hopefully is still to come. History is no longer a "subject" to study, but part of reality, just waiting to be known and understood. If anybody understands what I'm trying to say, then we will have another wonderful spark of communication that makes life so worth while! Lieve in London ________________________________ From: Mark To: Lieve Reckers ; jonipeople LIST Cc: jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sat, 12 December, 2009 3:03:42 Subject: Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution Interesting post, Lieve. I, for one, really enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thank you for sharing them. This part in particular stood out when I read it: > In the middle ages, clothes could only come in a few colours > because that was all that was available. So a new shade would have stood out > enormously. Now we have every possible shade available all the time, and we > don't find it amazing any more. I think this applies to a lot of our culture at the present time. People in my place and time are so bombarded with so many different choices. It becomes overwhelming. As Joni said: I can't decide I don't know (which way to go?) The options multiply The choices grow (which way to go?) What should I buy? What should I be? (Doctor, lawyer, Indian chief) So much comes at you Too much for me! It's hard not to become jaded about popular culture. I have to say I don't know much about the music scene these days except for the occasional band or singer I catch on television. And almost none of those performers really spark my interest. After awhile they all sound the same as any others in their particular 'genre'. Kind of along this line, I read or heard an opinion somewhere that Susan Boyle's cd would be a hard sell because the choice of songs did not fit into a particular category. Genre-driven radio stations would tend not to play any of it. I think that's a shame because the woman does have a beautiful voice, imo. But it has been a long time since someone new has swept me off my feet like Joni did back in the 70s. It becomes harder & harder to maintain a sense of wonder about anything in our culture anymore. I still get a sense of awe from nature more than anything these days. I also get it from experiencing pieces of past culture like seeing a real Van Gogh or Edward Hopper painting in a museum or reading Virginia Woolf or Jane Austen or seeing Stonehenge and Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's and so many other things I saw when I visited England a few years ago. I do acknowledge that there is still a lot of the world I want to experience first hand. But mostly what interests me are pieces of the past that have survived. And the length of time they have survived is often a large part of my sense of awe. And although you said that, for you, getting older has nothing to do with how you feel about today's music, I have to admit that I think, in my case, it does have something to do with it. I say this only because I think that as I get older, experiences accumulate. I know I will never hear every piece of recorded music ever created or read every book ever written, etc, etc and so forth. But what pieces I do pick up, do add up and maybe that makes me a bit more selective than I may have been at a younger age. I hate to think that 'selective' is a euphemism for 'narrow-minded'. I don't think it is, though. In some ways, I think I am open to more things than I was when I was a teenager. But it seems that I have opened to what has gone before more than the here and now. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. And I don't know if I got my point across or not so I'll stop rambling now. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:43:32 +0000 From: Garret Subject: River cover Hey Bob, have you seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB8zE2cT_WA GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:12:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: River cover that's a great find, Garret, thanks for posting it. I love his comment in his opening words: Canadians are very much like english people in many ways... ;-) It's a beautiful little cover, can you tell me more about Guy Garvey? I see that the performance is at the Royal Albert Hall...this is one of my dreams, to be there one day (in the audience of course :P Mags, hanging about the computer today, for warmth - --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Garret wrote: From: Garret Subject: River cover To: "JMDL" Received: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 1:43 PM Hey Bob, have you seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB8zE2cT_WA GARRET __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:23:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: River cover I hadn't - it's pretty nice. I hadn't heard of this singer. Bob NP: Grizzly Bear, "Fine For Now" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Garret To: JMDL Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 1:43:32 PM Subject: River cover Hey Bob, have you seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB8zE2cT_WA GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:26:57 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: River cover Hi Mags, I like this version of River too. Seasonal;-) Guy Garvey is frontman of a British band called Elbow. They've been knocking around for about 10 years i'd say. Their album The Seldom Seen Kid was one of 2008s finest, imo, i'd recommend it. I'm sure you can find some of their stuff on youtube. This was an appearance in the Royal Albert Hall as part of A Not So Silent Night, this year's McGarrgile/Wainwright christmas get together. I love the way his accent is so present in this song. GARRET On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > I hadn't - it's pretty nice. I hadn't heard of this singer. > > Bob > > NP: Grizzly Bear, "Fine For Now" > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Garret > To: JMDL > Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 1:43:32 PM > Subject: River cover > > Hey Bob, have you seen this yet? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB8zE2cT_WA > GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: family outing at the record store >vinyl is making its return..nice to see that. I really understand your wanting Joni's albums on vinyl. I have all of them through CMITR (all just the copies I bought pre-CD), and I wouldn't get rid of any of them. Too many great memories there. That said, the "vinyl comeback" is probably a fad--a combination of boomer nostalgia mixed with a small group from the younger generation that likes touching a time period from before they were born. The "comeback" has been inflated by comparisons being made to CD sales, which are way down. I find this unfortunate as I still think they have the best sound, but things change. The curent generation is the first in over 40 years (I'm talking as a whole) to not have sound quality as their primary consideration. They want portability--the smaller the better. Therefore, when the dust settles, there's no question that electronic versions have already, and will continue, to completely eclipse everything else. Michael F. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #367 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------