From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #366 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 13 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 366 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution, njc ["Jim L] Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution ["Mark" ] Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution [Mags ] family outing at the record store [Mags ] nietzsche, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] nietzsche, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] RE: family outing at the record store ["Richard Flynn" Subject: Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution, njc Lieve in London said, in part >When I listened again today to Chicago, I thought: "Why did I think, in 1970, that this had anything to do with jazz???" I think it's good music, and I love hearing it again, but it is as if my ears have become more blunt. I would not even hear the jazz aspect in it any more. Same with so much music I hear. People may say so-and-so band has country influences, or is neo punk, or is folksy, and in truth, chances are that I haven't even noticed that aspect, it just washes over me. Is it me or is it the music?> Maybe we've heard it all before. When all of these categories seemed brand new, we recognized something fresh. Over time, we've heard James Taylor's folk/pop hyrid and Diana Krall's jazz/pop hybrid. So, when Norah Jones comes along, she's a cross between Taylor's singer-songwriter thing and Krall's jazz piano flavors. Even though I like it a lot, it's not like the first time I heard Muddy Waters, ya know? Since we grew up on big bands like BS&T, Chicago, Allman Brothers, and Santana, when Dave Matthews came along (right or wrong) he seemed familiar. (Oh, he has a big band, with lots of percussion.) I'm not putting down DMB or Norah Jones, I'm just saying we had backgrounds that colored our perception. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:03:42 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution Interesting post, Lieve. I, for one, really enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thank you for sharing them. This part in particular stood out when I read it: > In the middle ages, clothes could only come in a few colours > because that was all that was available. So a new shade would have stood > out > enormously. Now we have every possible shade available all the time, and > we > don't find it amazing any more. I think this applies to a lot of our culture at the present time. People in my place and time are so bombarded with so many different choices. It becomes overwhelming. As Joni said: I can't decide I don't know (which way to go?) The options multiply The choices grow (which way to go?) What should I buy? What should I be? (Doctor, lawyer, Indian chief) So much comes at you Too much for me! It's hard not to become jaded about popular culture. I have to say I don't know much about the music scene these days except for the occasional band or singer I catch on television. And almost none of those performers really spark my interest. After awhile they all sound the same as any others in their particular 'genre'. Kind of along this line, I read or heard an opinion somewhere that Susan Boyle's cd would be a hard sell because the choice of songs did not fit into a particular category. Genre-driven radio stations would tend not to play any of it. I think that's a shame because the woman does have a beautiful voice, imo. But it has been a long time since someone new has swept me off my feet like Joni did back in the 70s. It becomes harder & harder to maintain a sense of wonder about anything in our culture anymore. I still get a sense of awe from nature more than anything these days. I also get it from experiencing pieces of past culture like seeing a real Van Gogh or Edward Hopper painting in a museum or reading Virginia Woolf or Jane Austen or seeing Stonehenge and Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's and so many other things I saw when I visited England a few years ago. I do acknowledge that there is still a lot of the world I want to experience first hand. But mostly what interests me are pieces of the past that have survived. And the length of time they have survived is often a large part of my sense of awe. And although you said that, for you, getting older has nothing to do with how you feel about today's music, I have to admit that I think, in my case, it does have something to do with it. I say this only because I think that as I get older, experiences accumulate. I know I will never hear every piece of recorded music ever created or read every book ever written, etc, etc and so forth. But what pieces I do pick up, do add up and maybe that makes me a bit more selective than I may have been at a younger age. I hate to think that 'selective' is a euphemism for 'narrow-minded'. I don't think it is, though. In some ways, I think I am open to more things than I was when I was a teenager. But it seems that I have opened to what has gone before more than the here and now. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. And I don't know if I got my point across or not so I'll stop rambling now. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:10:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: A Day In The Garden & Archival Comments NJC 'Chilihead' was Brian Mansfield, a nice guy and a grower of sunflowers. He sent me some of his special hybrid seeds. He was a big Jimmy Buffet fan. He also wrote a lot of poetry and was very emotionally sensitive. He made the 'mistake' of sharing his poetry on the list and got skewered badly for it by a bad egg or two - he left, haven't heard from him since. Too bad. Lots of lost family over they years, mostly due to their own decisions I would guess. Bob NP: The Who, "Shakin' All Over" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:46:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Twilight Zone with Joni I have just stepped into the Twilight Zone with Joni in the World Cafe Studios in Philly. We are recording a Christmas Special to be aired on NPR on Chirstmas Day. Greetings to everyone. Luv Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:21:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution hi Mark, I dont hear your selective musings as narrow minded at all, on the contrary, sounds to me like you know what you like and gravitate toward that, whatever 'that' may be. I agree with you on the VanGogh paintings live and in person...absolutely stunning. It's been + years since Ive seen them, but remember them, still. tonnes of love, Mags on the chilly prairie ;) - --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Mark wrote: From: Mark Subject: Re: Giving Chicago their due - and musing on music evolution To: "Lieve Reckers" , "jonipeople LIST" Cc: jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net Received: Friday, December 11, 2009, 10:03 PM Interesting post, Lieve. I, for one, really enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thank you for sharing them. This part in particular stood out when I read it: > In the middle ages, clothes could only come in a few colours > because that was all that was available. So a new shade would have stood out > enormously. Now we have every possible shade available all the time, and we > don't find it amazing any more. I think this applies to a lot of our culture at the present time. People in my place and time are so bombarded with so many different choices. It becomes overwhelming. As Joni said: I can't decide I don't know (which way to go?) The options multiply The choices grow (which way to go?) What should I buy? What should I be? (Doctor, lawyer, Indian chief) So much comes at you Too much for me! It's hard not to become jaded about popular culture. I have to say I don't know much about the music scene these days except for the occasional band or singer I catch on television. And almost none of those performers really spark my interest. After awhile they all sound the same as any others in their particular 'genre'. Kind of along this line, I read or heard an opinion somewhere that Susan Boyle's cd would be a hard sell because the choice of songs did not fit into a particular category. Genre-driven radio stations would tend not to play any of it. I think that's a shame because the woman does have a beautiful voice, imo. But it has been a long time since someone new has swept me off my feet like Joni did back in the 70s. It becomes harder & harder to maintain a sense of wonder about anything in our culture anymore. I still get a sense of awe from nature more than anything these days. I also get it from experiencing pieces of past culture like seeing a real Van Gogh or Edward Hopper painting in a museum or reading Virginia Woolf or Jane Austen or seeing Stonehenge and Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's and so many other things I saw when I visited England a few years ago. I do acknowledge that there is still a lot of the world I want to experience first hand. But mostly what interests me are pieces of the past that have survived. And the length of time they have survived is often a large part of my sense of awe. And although you said that, for you, getting older has nothing to do with how you feel about today's music, I have to admit that I think, in my case, it does have something to do with it. I say this only because I think that as I get older, experiences accumulate. I know I will never hear every piece of recorded music ever created or read every book ever written, etc, etc and so forth. But what pieces I do pick up, do add up and maybe that makes me a bit more selective than I may have been at a younger age. I hate to think that 'selective' is a euphemism for 'narrow-minded'. I don't think it is, though. In some ways, I think I am open to more things than I was when I was a teenager. But it seems that I have opened to what has gone before more than the here and now. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. And I don't know if I got my point across or not so I'll stop rambling now. Mark in Seattle __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:33:39 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: nietzsche, njc ~ "Did he himself find no reasons on earth for laughing? Then he searched very badly. Even a child could find reasons here. He did not love enough: else he would have loved us who laughed. Nietzsche _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:15:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: family outing at the record store During our Saturday family outing, we spent some time at Into The Music, a place for used as well as new music, located in the Exchange District in downtown Winnipeg. Our boyo found a vinyl copy of 'Joni Mitchell' in excellent shape, on sale to boot, from 7 dollars down to 5.75. No turn table here, but nice to have it anyhoozles. The art work is wonderful, as is the line inside, This album is dedicated to Mr. Kratzman, who taught me to love words. (I know, this isnt news but still, a lovely find). In the line up, the man ahead of me was buying Hejira on CD; the woman behind me, Miles of Aisles, for her grand daughter. Lots of shared smiles, nods, mmm Joni~ness. Remind me what year this was made, I know, I could look it up on line...it doesnt say, anywhere on the LP, inside or out. Hmm. I thought there was writing on the cover art, Song to a Seagull, but I dont see that either. Isnt it on the CD? I no longer have that, so I cant look. Mags __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:46:00 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: nietzsche, njc " Let us finally consider how naive it is altogether to say, 'man ought to be such and such!' Reality shows us enchanting wealth of types, the abundance of a lavish play and change of forms - and some wretched loafer of a moralist comments: No! [Hu]man ought to be different." Nietzsche ie. be different, that is abundance. . . . that's my take on this Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:05:25 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: nietzsche, njc " Nietzsche was born in 1844 (October 15, Rocken Germany): Lost his father, a Lutheran minister in 1849; spent his life surrounded by his mother, sister, grandmother, and two maiden aunts and sent to a first rate boarding school. He is now twenty four years old: strong, vigorous, healthy, courageous physically and morally, so constituted as to impress those of similar nature. On top of that he possesses the enviable gift of presenting ideas, talking freely . . . " W.K. Nietzsche dies in Weimar in 1900. August 25. Lived 55 years? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:44:13 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: family outing at the record store 1968, Mags. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Mags > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:16 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: family outing at the record store > > During our Saturday family outing, we spent some time at Into The > Music, > a place for used as well as new music, located in the Exchange District > in > downtown Winnipeg. Our boyo found a vinyl copy of 'Joni Mitchell' in > excellent > shape, on sale to boot, from 7 dollars down to 5.75. No turn table > here, but > nice to have it anyhoozles. > > The art work is wonderful, as is the line inside, This album is > dedicated to > Mr. Kratzman, who taught me to love words. (I know, this isnt news but > still, > a lovely find). In the line up, the man ahead of me was buying Hejira > on CD; > the woman behind me, Miles of Aisles, for her grand daughter. Lots of > shared > smiles, nods, mmm Joni~ness. > > Remind me what year this was made, I know, I could look it up on > line...it > doesnt say, anywhere on the LP, inside or out. Hmm. I thought there was > writing on the cover art, Song to a Seagull, but I dont see that > either. Isnt > it on the CD? I no longer have that, so I cant look. > > > Mags > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet > Explorer. > 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at > http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #366 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------