From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #317 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 25 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 317 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- We're on our way home! (njc) [] Re: We're on our way home! (njc) [Jimmy Stewart ] Re: We're on our way home! (njc) [Em ] Roxana Amed's "Blue" [Bob Muller ] re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC [mia _ ] Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC ["Mark Scott" ] New video in Library: Blue [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Re: For all the John Gorka fans out there MLB njc ["gene" ] Re: We're on our way home! (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: For all the John Gorka fans out there MLB [Michael Paz ] Re: For all the John Gorka fans out there MLB njc [Rose M Joy Subject: We're on our way home! (njc) Headin' from the hospital today! Coltrane and April are doing fabulously. Thanks for all the emails and f.b. comments. When I get a chance, I'll post some pictures via NE jonifest or snapfish or something for non-Facebook people. By the way, we listened to For the Roses yesterday so it 's the first Joni Mitchell he's gotten to hear. And of course, The Gentle Sounds of John Coltrane has been getting a lot of play! Victor Sent from Comcast Mobile ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:13:17 -0400 From: Jimmy Stewart Subject: Re: We're on our way home! (njc) Can't wait til you teach him to play his first song on the pacifier :-) Jimmy NP : Brand New Heavies "Midnight at the Oasis" Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:37 AM, wrote: > Headin' from the hospital today! Coltrane and April are doing > fabulously. Thanks for all the emails and f.b. comments. When I get > a chance, I'll post some pictures via NE jonifest or snapfish or > something for non-Facebook people. > > By the way, we listened to For the Roses yesterday so it 's the > first Joni Mitchell he's gotten to hear. And of course, The Gentle > Sounds of John Coltrane has been getting a lot of play! > > Victor > > Sent from Comcast Mobile ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: We're on our way home! (njc) wishing you tons of fun! I can only imagine what a rush this must be. :) Em - --- On Sat, 10/24/09, waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: We're on our way home! (njc) To: joni@smoe.org Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 10:37 AM Headin' from the hospital today! Coltrane and April are doing fabulously. Thanks for all the emails and f.b. comments. When I get a chance, I'll post some pictures via NE jonifest or snapfish or something for non-Facebook people. By the way, we listened to For the Roses yesterday so it 's the first Joni Mitchell he's gotten to hear. And of course, The Gentle Sounds of John Coltrane has been getting a lot of play! Victor Sent from Comcast Mobile ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:07:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Roxana Amed's "Blue" Some of you may remember Roxana Amed's double version of "Amelia" from a couple years ago...she recorded it in English and Spanish as bookends on her album. Well, she's got a new record out and does a lovely version of "Blue" which you can hear on her MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/roxanaamed Bob, catching up fast NP: Roxana Amed, "Blue" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:13:13 -0500 From: mia _ Subject: re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC Catherine,I took a class in post-modern history, and we had to study intertextuality. We had a group project where we had to give a speech and turn in a paper. If you'd like, I can send you a copy of my contribution to the group. If anything, your son may be able to use the references. He obviously won't be allowed to plagiarize, but technically, he could borrow using intertextualism - ha ha!The Simpsons are famous for using intertextual references.Mia _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen1:102009 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC I guess we both have a pretty good grasp of what intertextuality is but my son got confused about the fact that his paper (and it's a very short one really - only 500 words) is not supposed to strictly compare points in the two stories they're working on, so he wanted to stay away from comparing points altogether, but it's impossible to talk about it without comparing points, since one story references things from another. I think sometimes the language the prof uses when providing instructions tends to confuse because he doesn't exactly use plain English, which gets Matt worried that he's supposed to read something into it that simply isn't there. How ironic that an assignment for a class in English sounds like it was written in Martian! As well, we talk about this stuff together but then Matt can't remember what we said and we pretty much have to start over. However, we decided to record it on garage band to get it straight and I think it's going to work. (And you can change the voice in Garageband too, so we play it back in different voices.) I tell ya, it's his paper, but I will be relieved once it's done. I can't imagine in my days of going to school asking my parents for help with anything, but I seem to have become a tutor against my will and I'm not the most patient person in the world. I think I mentioned Matt has a bit of an LD, so he probably needs to work at least three times as hard as most people to produce any work. It would drive me completely insane if I had to work the way he does, but life is a continuous learning process, and I'm less inclined to take certain things for granted than I used to be. And of course we watch the Simpsons (although not so much lately, I'll admit - didn't miss "Treehouse of horror" though - never that one!) I SWEAR to stay away from this topic now and apologize for boring anyone but thank everyone who responded. I'm pleasantly amazed at how many responses I did get, considering the subject matter, but it proves once again that Joni fans are smart and literate and there's probably no question anyone could ask that would go unanswered. ________________________________ From: mia _ To: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 2:13:13 PM Subject: re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC Catherine, I took a class in post-modern history, and we had to study intertextuality. We had a group project where we had to give a speech and turn in a paper. If you'd like, I can send you a copy of my contribution to the group. If anything, your son may be able to use the references. He obviously won't be allowed to plagiarize, but technically, he could borrow using intertextualism - ha ha! The Simpsons are famous for using intertextual references. Mia ________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC I could make sarcastic remarks about people who have no lives (the really academic types, I mean - not you!) but the older I get, the more tolerant I am for some things and the less tolerant about others. I do recognize that everyone has very different interests and that some people really are obsessed with what I would consider to be very esoteric ideas, so I try to bite my tongue and refrain from asking, "Who the hell cares?" when someone asks one of *those* kinds of questions. I'm quite sure Virginia Woolf didn't set about to create works that were so arcane that people wouldn't understand them and, in fact, if she had, she would probably never have gotten anything published. I suppose you can get so fascinated by a particular thing that you keep going on studying it, to the point where you become one of the few experts in the world on that topic, but I think I prefer my life to be a bit more well-rounded. At least, that's my excuse. I really don't think at this point in my life I want to get a PhD in anything because I know I haven't got the patience for it. ________________________________ From: Mark Scott To: Catherine McKay ; anne@sandstrom.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 9:35:21 PM Subject: Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > Another excellent response and I'm so glad to see how you and I see eye to eye > on the pseudo-science thing. I think sometimes you can analyze a thing to > death. I belong to another listserv devoted to Virginia Woolf. It is a very odd listserv, imo. Mostly it is made up of academic types and they use the listserv as a kind of resource. When somebody can't think of where a specific quote or reference comes from, they will ask the VWoolf listserv. Sometimes several of these various professor & PHD types will respond to posts about the most trivial things. Whole threads have been started about some piece of minutia out of one of Woolf's pieces of writing. I have to shake my head and chuckle. I'm sure they could all go into long discourses on 'intertextuality' if they ever bothered to be that informative to a 'common reader.' (I suppose 'common reader' is an intertextual reference to two collections of literary essays that Woolf wrote and published as 'The Common Reader' and 'The Second Common Reader'.) Mixed in with the other posts (and there are days at a time when there are no posts at all) are various 'calls for papers' and some of them give lists of suggestions for subject matter. These can be (imo) the most far-fetched, hyper-analytical (is that a word?) things. It boggles the mind and I have to wonder if Woolf had 99% of that stuff in mind when she wrote. Every now & then I throw in a post about my personal impressions of a given topic or novel. I always feel like a toddler playing with building blocks when I do it. I sometimes get 'off-list' responses from other 'common readers' but mostly the academics ignore me. Compared to the JMDL it's a total yawn. I only stay subscribed because I'm still fascinated with Woolf and her writing. Owhatanurdiam. Mark in Seattle __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:43:25 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: intertextuality, njc loved the discussion of intertexuality. thanks Catherine and all you groovy peopleI just don't call anybody groovy, you know. I did look up the definition of "interSexuality." Love and peace to allMarianne ~ _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen1:102009 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:29:35 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC That's why I got my PhD when I was young! However, I've worked in the academy for over 22 years, so I guess I'm a real academic type. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:33 PM > To: Mark Scott; anne@sandstrom.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC > > I could make sarcastic remarks about people who have no lives (the > really > academic types, I mean - not you!) but the older I get, the more > tolerant I am > for some things and the less tolerant about others. I do recognize > that > everyone has very different interests and that some people really are > obsessed > with what I would consider to be very esoteric ideas, so I try to bite > my > tongue and refrain from asking, "Who the hell cares?" when someone asks > one of > *those* kinds of questions. I'm quite sure Virginia Woolf didn't set > about to > create works that were so arcane that people wouldn't understand them > and, in > fact, if she had, she would probably never have gotten anything > published. I > suppose you can get so fascinated by a particular thing that you keep > going on > studying it, to the point where you become one of the few experts in > the world > on that topic, but I think I prefer my life to be a bit more well- > rounded. At > least, that's my excuse. I really don't > think at this point in my life I want to get a PhD in anything because > I know > I haven't got the patience for it. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Mark Scott > To: Catherine McKay ; > anne@sandstrom.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 9:35:21 PM > Subject: Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine McKay" > > > > > Another excellent > response and I'm so glad to see how you and I see eye to eye > > on the > pseudo-science thing. I think sometimes you can analyze a thing to > > death. > > I > belong to another listserv devoted to Virginia Woolf. It is a very odd > listserv, imo. Mostly it is made up of academic types and they use the > listserv as a kind of resource. When somebody can't think of where a > specific > quote or reference comes from, they will ask the VWoolf listserv. > Sometimes > several of these various professor & PHD types will respond to posts > about the > most trivial things. Whole threads have been started about some piece > of > minutia out of one of Woolf's pieces of writing. I have to shake my > head and > chuckle. I'm sure they could all go into long discourses on > 'intertextuality' > if they ever bothered to be that informative to a 'common reader.' (I > suppose > 'common reader' is an intertextual reference to two collections of > literary > essays that Woolf wrote and published as 'The Common Reader' and 'The > Second > Common Reader'.) > > Mixed in with the other posts (and there are days at a time > when there are no posts at all) are various 'calls for papers' and some > of > them give lists of suggestions for subject matter. These can be (imo) > the > most far-fetched, hyper-analytical (is that a word?) things. It > boggles the > mind and I have to wonder if Woolf had 99% of that stuff in mind when > she > wrote. > > Every now & then I throw in a post about my personal impressions of a > given topic or novel. I always feel like a toddler playing with > building > blocks when I do it. I sometimes get 'off-list' responses from other > 'common > readers' but mostly the academics ignore me. > > Compared to the JMDL it's a > total yawn. I only stay subscribed because I'm still fascinated with > Woolf > and her writing. > > Owhatanurdiam. > > Mark in Seattle > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for > the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:24:35 -0400 From: Rose M Joy Subject: For all the John Gorka fans out there MLB He has a new CD and an old family recipe for pierogies! I love the title "So dark you see! www.johngorka.com Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:34:00 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" I'm quite sure Virginia Woolf didn't set about to > create works that were so arcane that people wouldn't understand > them and, in > fact, if she had, she would probably never have gotten anything > published. Well....Virginia & Leonard Woolf did start their own press - the Hogarth Press. They started out handprinting and binding their product themselves. But as time went on and they became more successful, they had to hire the actual printing out. The Hogarth Press first published T. S. Eliot's 'The Wasteland'. They were offered James Joyce's 'Ulysses' but decided it was too big a job for them to take on and Virginia wasn't much impressed with it anyway. I guess if you publish your own work, you can pretty much write anything you want and get it published. But I agree with you, Catherine. I don't think Virginia's purpose was to create works that were incomprehensible. 'The Common Reader' I think was meant more or less for everyday people who liked literature, not for intellectual snobs. I have read the first 'Common Reader' and you don't need a PHD to understand what she's talking about. Woolf never had a formal education except for some tutoring in Greek. She resented the fact that men of her class were given that particular opportunity but that women, as a general rule, were not. (Both of her brothers graduated from Cambridge.) Nevertheless, she was a voracious reader and was employed by many publications in London as a literary reviewer and essayist before she was finally financially able to devote her energies full-time to her creative works. Mark in Seattle (shutting up about V. Woolf, for now, anyway) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:36:52 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" > That's why I got my PhD when I was young! > > However, I've worked in the academy for over 22 years, so I guess > I'm a > real academic type. > Yeah, but you're a Joni Mitchell fan so you don't count. (No offense was ever intended to you, Richard, or any other PhDs out there in JMDL land) Red-faced Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:18:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New video in Library: Helpless A new video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: Helpless - Joni with Crosby Stills Nash & Young 1974 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=153 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:19:12 +1100 From: Don Subject: Joni Tribute at Sydney Opera House Whose going next Friday to Sydney Opera House for the Joni Tribute. I saw these women and other do a tribute at The Basement a few years ago and we are in for a great show. Lets try to meet up for a drink before the show. So where to meet? There are bars at the Opera House. Any Suggestions. Cheers Don ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:10:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New video in Library: Blue A new video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: Blue - 1970 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=154 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:28:46 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: For all the John Gorka fans out there MLB njc I was lucky to see John at a house concert a month ago-----what a show! Yes! His new cd "So Dark You Can See" is a joy to listen. You can buy it on his website and he'll sign it for you. take care, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose M Joy" To: Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: For all the John Gorka fans out there MLB > He has a new CD and an old family recipe for pierogies! I love the title > "So dark you see! > www.johngorka.com > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:33:02 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC I'm really not offended, so you can return your face to its normal shade! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Scott [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:37 PM > To: Richard Flynn; 'Catherine McKay'; anne@sandstrom.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Intertextuality - absolutely no NJC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Flynn" > > > That's why I got my PhD when I was young! > > > > However, I've worked in the academy for over 22 years, so I guess > > I'm a > > real academic type. > > > > Yeah, but you're a Joni Mitchell fan so you don't count. > > (No offense was ever intended to you, Richard, or any other PhDs out > there in JMDL land) > > Red-faced Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:59:30 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: It's a boy! This is excellent advice but I will add one VERY IMPORTANT ITEM. Never for get to be friends with your sons mother. Ot of experience I can tell you that one tends to focus so much love on the child and the child becomes the center of the universe. Park the kid with grandma and have as many date nights as you can and always always always be friends first. then your child will have the best of the bestest! Luv Paz (having a lil Gordons Martini and just finished packing for my trip to Europe starting in Brussels) On Oct 23, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Lieve Reckers wrote: Victor, I am SO happy for you! Congratulations to both parents, and welcome to this very much loved little boy! My best advice is: enjoy, enjoy every aspect of it! You're starting on a huge new adventure in your life, one that will be with you for the rest of your life. Be guided by love! I hope to have the chance to see you all in Atlanta in the not-so-distant future. Big hug, Lieve - ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:50:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: It's a boy! Coltrane Daniel Johnson was born at 1:16pm. He's 6lb 5.9oz and 20 inches and has nice long fingers! Pictures are up on Facebook. More to come! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:05:42 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: We're on our way home! (njc) Oh! YOU are a wicked man!! I suppose you will be getting him his very first gourd as well?? On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jimmy Stewart wrote: Can't wait til you teach him to play his first song on the pacifier :-) Jimmy NP : Brand New Heavies "Midnight at the Oasis" Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:37 AM, wrote: > Headin' from the hospital today! Coltrane and April are doing > fabulously. Thanks for all the emails and f.b. comments. When I get > a chance, I'll post some pictures via NE jonifest or snapfish or > something for non-Facebook people. > > By the way, we listened to For the Roses yesterday so it 's the > first Joni Mitchell he's gotten to hear. And of course, The Gentle > Sounds of John Coltrane has been getting a lot of play! > > Victor > > Sent from Comcast Mobile Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:16:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: For all the John Gorka fans out there MLB WoW. Freda and I were driving to Houma today and I put on Karla Bonoff. Which then prompted me to put on Jack Neilson singing Karla's songs "Falling Star' and "Home". THEN I put on Jack singing a couple Gorka songs that he sang the shit out of. "You're On Your Way" and "A Stranger With Your Hair". Jack got to meet John when we are Folk Alliance with Arlo (Hi Steve and Michelle) It was one of those moments that defined him and made him feel whole. Luv Paz On Oct 24, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Rose M Joy wrote: He has a new CD and an old family recipe for pierogies! I love the title "So dark you see! www.johngorka.com Sent from my iPhone Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:31:51 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: It's a boy! Congratulations, Victor. Jim L'Hommedieu Dayton, Ohio From: >Coltrane Daniel Johnson was born at 1:16pm. He's 6lb 5.9oz and 20 inches and has nice long fingers! Pictures are up on Facebook. More to come! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:28:50 -0400 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: For all the John Gorka fans out there MLB njc I can't wait to hear it. I'm sure I'll love it. I haven't heard a Gorka CD I didn't like. I only saw him once at a free concert in a park in New Jersey! Greg Cagno was there. He's awesome! Love Gorka! Rosie in NJ Struggling with her iPhone Where did that MLB come from? lol Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:28 PM, "gene" wrote: > I was lucky to see John at a house concert a month ago-----what a > show! Yes! His new cd "So Dark You Can See" is a joy to listen. You > can buy it on his website and he'll sign it for you. > > take care, gene > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose M Joy" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:24 PM > Subject: For all the John Gorka fans out there MLB > > >> He has a new CD and an old family recipe for pierogies! I love the >> title "So dark you see! >> www.johngorka.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:26:08 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: joni & the black man I played a gig yesterday with Gene Perla, the bassist. He told me that he subbed for Jaco on one JM concert (Hollywood Bowl). He was a very close friend and musical partner of Don Alias. I asked him whether Don & JM had a personal thing going and he said "For about two years." He also said that when JM met G O'Keefe for the first time, she and Alias drove from LA to O'K's house (in NM?) and JM asked Alias to ring the doorbell; she wasn't up to it at that moment. Don Alias, now deceased, was black and if you have the original DJRD songbook, you can see (I'm pretty sure) him and Gene Perla on the drive-in screen opposite p. 65. I'm going to verify this with GP next time I see him, since he's never seen the book. The photo credits for the songbook are: Norman Seefe, Glen Christensen and Myrtle Anderson. This might shed some light on JM's blackface pictures on DJRD. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #317 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------