From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #310 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 19 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 310 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Saskatoon [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Jam and Jerusalem (sjc) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Saskatoon [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Saskatoon [Catherine McKay ] Re: In Respect of The Black Man [Catherine McKay ] Re: Jam and Jerusalem (sjc) ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Jam and Jerusalem now njc [Garret ] Re: Re: In Respect of The Black Man NJC [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: In Respect of the Black Man [Melissa Gibbs ] Re: FW: Message from JM Contact Us page [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Report from the Ithaca, NY Joni Mitchell Tribute Show, Friday Oct 16, 2009 [Rose M Joy ] Re: Saskatoon [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Saskatoon [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:13:52 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Saskatoon The Canadian national anthem? Isn't the NHL an American sport or is it joined with the Canadian League now? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:51:52 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Jam and Jerusalem (sjc) I love this show too. I have the first two seasons on DVD. The name was changed in the USA, apparently because the reference makes no cultural sense. They kept the British title in Australia even though it makes no sense in this culture either. I have been a big fan of both, Jennifer Saunders and Dawn French since their early sketch show. I am not familiar with the other actresses but they are fantastic. The Joni connection has been lost but I just have to take this opportunity to tell my encounter story with the queens of comedy; After all these years, I got to see their farewell show in Sydney a couple of months ago with a few friends. I hadn't been to the Capitol Theatre for years and forgot which street the front entrance was on. I was waiting on a corner with one of my friends who is in a wheelchair to meet up with my other friends. As we were chatting, in direct line of sight behind him, a black car pulled up and out popped Jennifer and Dawn with a man (probably their manager). They looked confused. They had also come to the wrong entrance. Their manager took off to find the stage door and left the two of them in the street. Luckily, there was hardly anybody around and nobody recognised them. They looked so vulnerable and, although I had dreamed of meeting them for years, I was determined not to make them feel more uncomfortable. They walked over to the corner and faced the wall so as not to be seen but it did look kind of odd. As they walked past us, I asked if they were looking for the stage door and told them that it was around the corner (that's where we had gone at first by mistake) and handed Jennifer a box of hand made chocolates. We later met up at the stage door where I got autographs. I feel so foolish and awkward around talented people. That's why I never want to meet Joni. That's my little story of being star struck. Mark in Sydney NP This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and Adrian Edmondson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:21:43 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Saskatoon In a message dated 10/19/09 4:14:07 AM, mark-leon@iinet.net.au writes: > The Canadian national anthem? Isn't the NHL an American sport or is it > joined with the Canadian League now? > The NHL is made up of six Canadian and twenty-four US teams in two conferences broken down into six divisions. The US teams regularly play Canadian teams and have for many years. Not being a hockey fan, I'm not sure but I always thought games in the US would have our national anthem played before a game and the Canadians would have theirs. Hey, if Joni sang the Canadian national anthem at their games, I imagine they could increase their attendance. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Saskatoon Mark may be thinking of the NFL. (National Football League.) There are no Canadian teams in that. Canada has its own football league and our rules are different. More than that I can't tell you because I can't stands football! I'm not a sports fan at all but I think that, if it's two US teams playing in the US, they play only the American national anthem and if it's two Canadian teams playing in Canada, only the Canadian; but if it's an American and a Canadian team playing, they play both national anthems. There's probably also some protocol about whose gets played first. I'm guessing they play the away team's anthem first, followed by the home team, but I don't know for sure. I do hope that, if Saskatoon is going after a hockey team, they deal with it more quickly than the annoying issue of the possible relocation of the Phoenix Coyotes to somewhere in southern Ontario. That story has been going on for MONTHS and it is extremely boring, but all-pervasive, to this non-sports-fan. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: "PassScribe@aol.com" > To: mark-leon@iinet.net.au > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 8:21:43 AM > Subject: Re: Saskatoon > > In a message dated 10/19/09 4:14:07 AM, mark-leon@iinet.net.au writes: > > > > The Canadian national anthem? Isn't the NHL an American sport or is it > > joined with the Canadian League now? > > > > The NHL is made up of six Canadian and twenty-four US teams in two > conferences broken down into six divisions. The US teams regularly play > Canadian teams and have for many years. Not being a hockey fan, I'm not sure > but I always thought games in the US would have our national anthem played > before a game and the Canadians would have theirs. > Hey, if Joni sang the Canadian national anthem at their games, I > imagine they could increase their attendance. > > Kenny B __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: In Respect of The Black Man - ----- Original Message ---- > The Civil Rights Movement has not been a part of our cultural history. It was a > foreign experience. Granted, it was of enormous historical and cultural > importance but, it was foreign nonetheless. We have no great reverence to it. > > It got me thinking about how Joni shocked everyone when she appeared in black > face on the cover of DJRD and then again in the video for The Beat of Black > Wings. One might say that she is a foreigner too but that history was much > closer to her home than here. She did not mean that in a demeaning way and it > wasn't taken that way by African Americans. In fact, she has a great deal of > admiration from respected members of that community. Then there was Lily > Tomlin's character of Pervis Hawkins in the 1970s. I'd like to read the thoughts > of any African Americans on this list on how they feel about this. > > I had a discussion recently with a friend from work, who happens to be African > American. She told me she thought the worst word in the world is the word, > "Nigger". I can certainly understand that given that words origins and how it > has been used. She hates how kids these days use it so freely and it comes from > Gansta Rap songs where black people are referring to their own community with > such words. It is a very bad trend or is it just a way for a minority to take > back the power of words used against them in the same way gay people call each > other "Queen"? As for my friend, she also needs to realise that she is now > living in a different country with a different history and culture. It can be > confusing when we speak the same language and are influenced by American media. > Australian kids have no reference point for the history of that culture. It is > simply entertainment for them. > I'd like to think that, if Joni were doing DJRD today, she would NOT do that black-face thing. I find it kind of embarassing, even though I appreciate that the feelings behind it were meant with respect. It's a fine line you walk with that stuff. Some can do it and get away with it. I'm not familiar with that particular character (Pervis Hawkins) of Lily Tomlin's but I find her characters to be generally believable and not meant to be disrespectful. To be honest, when I first saw the cover of DJRD, I had no idea it was her dressed that way. I think that the rappers using the N-word (sorry, but I can't even bring myself to type it) are trying to take back the power, as you say. Here a lot of gay people are more likely to use the word "queer" or "fag" than "queen" when trying to do this - at least, that has been my experience in hearing it or seeing it in print. I can see how people in a particular group would want to do this, but I can also see how it bothers others, even if they're a member of that particular group. Words are so powerful, aren't they? As well, there are so many cultural differences that might make something acceptable to one culture where it's completely taboo elsewhere. I remember that episode of the Simpsons. They did a similar one when the Simpsons visited Canada, and Japan as well - loaded with stereotypes. Sometimes I find that stuff funny. When South Park did "Blame Canada," as well as the episode where the kids travel to Canada and it's sort of like being in Oz, I found it very funny in a stupid-ass way. But when the Simpsons visit other countries, those tend to be the not-so-funny episodes in my opinion, just as the ones where they have celebrity guests playing themselves tend not to be as funny - but maybe it's just me. I think sometimes they're just trying too hard to cram as much into one episode as they can and it doesn't work. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:55:17 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Jam and Jerusalem (sjc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark-Leon Thorne" To: Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:51 AM Subject: Re: Jam and Jerusalem (sjc) >I love this show too. I have the first two seasons on DVD. The name >was changed in the USA, apparently because the reference makes no >cultural sense. They kept the British title in Australia even though >it makes no sense in this culture either. > > I have been a big fan of both, Jennifer Saunders and Dawn French > since their early sketch show. I am not familiar with the other > actresses but they are fantastic. I have only seen Jennifer Saunders as Eddie in 'Absolutely Fabulous'. So when I watched the U-tube clip somebody posted the link to, I was very impressed and somewhat taken aback by her skills as an actress. I kept expecting her to do or say something completely outrageous. I have always thought that Sauders was somewhat of a comedic genius. Her physical comedy in the 'Ab-Fab' series is on a par with Lucille Ball's, I think. Hillarious and outrageous. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:31:18 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Jam and Jerusalem now njc She was also in an episode of Friends. She played Emily's mother (or stepmother) when Ross was marrying her in London. She played it very much in line with her ab fab character. If i recall correctly she did a voice in one of the Shrek movies. I think you're right about her Ab Fab acting. The combination of herself and Joanna Lumey was inspired casting. Actually, casting Joanna Lumley in a role like Patsy was such a fun thing to do. GARRET On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Mark Scott wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark-Leon Thorne" > > To: > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:51 AM > Subject: Re: Jam and Jerusalem (sjc) > > >> I love this show too. I have the first two seasons on DVD. The name was >> changed in the USA, apparently because the reference makes no cultural >> sense. They kept the British title in Australia even though it makes no >> sense in this culture either. >> >> I have been a big fan of both, Jennifer Saunders and Dawn French since >> their early sketch show. I am not familiar with the other actresses but >> they are fantastic. > > I have only seen Jennifer Saunders as Eddie in 'Absolutely Fabulous'. So > when I watched the U-tube clip somebody posted the link to, I was very > impressed and somewhat taken aback by her skills as an actress. I kept > expecting her to do or say something completely outrageous. > > I have always thought that Sauders was somewhat of a comedic genius. Her > physical comedy in the 'Ab-Fab' series is on a par with Lucille Ball's, I > think. Hillarious and outrageous. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:39:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Re: In Respect of The Black Man NJC I didn't see the skit, but I do find anyone performing in black face offensive. That includes Joni's DJRD cover. Perhaps this is me being narrow minded in my own way, but I always felt that Joni had some nerve to appear as she did. And, Mark, I agree with your friend. The 'n' word is the worst. I will never utter it. fwiw, I grew up in Dorchester, a neighborhood of Boston. Race was THE issue. And arson was the weapon (too long to explain why here...) It's easy for people from the suburbs, the prairies, the outback, whatever, to imagine the impact of racial hatred on lives. It's quite another to live with the consequences, to sleep in your clothes so you can escape quickly, to wake to a house filled with smoke night after night, to see firemen blown out of windows or engulfed in flames, to see greedy white people trying to feed off of and profit from racial fear and hatred. Wishing skin color were as irrelevant as hair color in matters of equality. Always there, but something to be appreciated rather than something to result in prejudice. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:20:27 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Jam and Jerusalem now Jennifer Saunders njc Garret wrote: > She was also in an episode of Friends. She played Emily's mother (or > stepmother) when Ross was marrying her in London. She played it very > much in line with her ab fab character. If i recall correctly she did > a voice in one of the Shrek movies. > > I think you're right about her Ab Fab acting. The combination of > herself and Joanna Lumey was inspired casting. Actually, casting > Joanna Lumley in a role like Patsy was such a fun thing to do. I've been a fan of Jennifer Saunders since her early days with Comic Strip - a group of actors including Dawn French and Saunders husband Adrian Edmondson. They did a couple of spoofs of Enid Blyton's Famous Five - Five go Mad in Dorset, Five Go Mad on Mescalin (can still hear Dawn French as "George" - "Oh Timmy, you're so licky!"). They say comedy is the hardest kind of acting, so it doesn't surprise me that the Jam and Jerusalem clip showed off her dramatic talent. If anyone wants a good laugh, try doing a youtube search for French and Saunders. Their movie and music spoofs are hilarious. Misery is one of my favourites. Hell P.S. Saunders played the fairy godmother in Shrek - and showed off her singing voice as well! And she didn't sing "Well I'm walking down the road, just looking at the things...." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:05:19 -0400 From: Susan E McNamara Subject: Report from the Ithaca, NY Joni Mitchell Tribute Show, Friday Oct 16, 2009 Joni Mitchell Tribute Night Community School of Music and Art Ithaca, NY Friday, October 16, 2009, 7:00 p.m. Songlist: Sarah Hutchenson: Just Like Me, I Had A King Joe Gaylord: Amelia, The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay Linda Stout: River, A Case of You Sue McNamara: Coyote, Just Like This Train Colleen Kattau and Mike: Rainy Night House, Judgment of the Moon and Stars John Simon and Tom Farrell: Circle Game, Raised on Robbery Terry Burns and Ron Kristy: Both Sides Now, Big Yellow Taxi Patti Witten: For The Roses, Hejira The performance was up in a third floor concert space of the Community School of Music and Arts in Ithaca, NY. We were provided with a nice grand piano and a sound system. As I arrived the crowd was already gathering and I think by the time the concert started we had at least 50 people. Joe Gaylord, our energetic host, was running around doing setup and welcoming people. He ran up to me and said I should meet Sarah, a young woman who he just met. She had come to the event pleading with him to let her play because she loved Joni Mitchell. She played him a song and he immediately agreed to let her open the night. When I went up to her she said, "Are you THE Sue McNamara." I will never get used to people saying that to me, but as it turns out she is a frequent visitor to the Joni Mitchell Guitar Database and learned Just Like Me and I Had a King from the tabs there. As we chatted more I found out that she was a homeless street singer, not more than 20 years old. She had recently come from California and Joe warned her about experiencing her first Ithaca winter. The performances began with Sarah, who did a great version of Just Like Me, and performed like Joni with the overhand barre chord (which she used for a lot of those early songs). Sarah also did a great job with I Had A King. She has a very distinctive voice, which filled the concert hall with a pleading old folk flair. Joe Gaylord was one of the original players at the Only Joni Open Mikes that Patti Witten hosted a couple of years ago at Juno's Cafi in Ithaca (Juno's is now gone ... another sad reminder of the recession). Joe freaked me out at the first open mike by playing The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay from Mingus and he reprised that along with Amelia for tonight's performance. Instead of a sing-a-long we had a "howl-a-long" - a big crowd pleaser! A number of the acts who performed were local singer-songwriters. Linda Stout performed stunning versions of River and A Case of You. You can check out her bio and discography at her website http://www.lindastout.com. Next up was me, and I played Coyote and Just Like This Train, two of my favorites in Carolina Kitchen Tuning (CGDFCE). Colleen Kattau, another local singer/songwriter played with a friend Mike (I'm sorry I can't remember his last name). Mike played bass during Colleen's beautiful version of Rainy Night House. Then Mike channeled Joni on piano for an incredible performance of Judgment of the Moon and the Stars. How can it be that I've heard this song covered live twice in one month? The Mutts of the Planet also did justice to this masterpiece at Jonifest in Idyllwild, an amazing memory for me. Colleen and Mike also raised the bar of our local tribute by doing a great version. You can find Colleen on the web at http://www.fire-tiger.com/www/colleenkattau/coltemp/ John Simon and Tom Farrell, two members of the group Yardvarks, played a classic bonfire version of The Circle Game with harmonious audience participation. They then did a fun honky tonk version of Raised on Robbery. You can find the Yarkvarks at this website: http://www.zeserson.com/yardvarks.html Another highlight of the night was Terry Burns and her husband Ron Kristy. Terry is another one of the beautiful and talented Burns Sisters, who have played locally and nationally for many years. Ron Kristy is also a performer, singer-songwriter and music producer. They performed Both Sides Now and Big Yellow Taxi. Their websites are http://www.ronkristy.com/ and http://www.terryburns.biz/bio.htm At last, my favorite and dear friend, Patti Witten, came up to the stage donned in blonde wig, to play the finale. She performed wonderful versions of For The Roses and Hejira (bravely re-tuning in between songs!). Patti's own songwriting hits me emotionally in much the same way as Joni's and I encourage everyone to go to her website and hear some of her beautiful songs (and buy a CD too http://www.pattiwitten.com ). Not long ago I was privileged to sit in her living room and hear her play the song You're So Mine from her latest CD Tell The Wind. Weeping! She's so talented. So there's my report of a very successful Joni Mitchell Tribute Night ... I'm so grateful to Joe Gaylord for getting this together for a worthy cause. I hope Sarah is in a warm apartment soon playing more Joni tunes and that more budding Jonis get to learn their craft with the help of the CSMA scholarship program. ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:16:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Report from the Ithaca, NY Joni Mitchell Tribute Show, Friday Oct 16, 2009 WoW sounds like a wonderful night. Thanks for sharing. Wish I could have been there! I am a big Patti fan too! Paz On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Susan E McNamara wrote: Joni Mitchell Tribute Night Community School of Music and Art Ithaca, NY Friday, October 16, 2009, 7:00 p.m. Songlist: Sarah Hutchenson: Just Like Me, I Had A King Joe Gaylord: Amelia, The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay Linda Stout: River, A Case of You Sue McNamara: Coyote, Just Like This Train Colleen Kattau and Mike: Rainy Night House, Judgment of the Moon and Stars John Simon and Tom Farrell: Circle Game, Raised on Robbery Terry Burns and Ron Kristy: Both Sides Now, Big Yellow Taxi Patti Witten: For The Roses, Hejira The performance was up in a third floor concert space of the Community School of Music and Arts in Ithaca, NY. We were provided with a nice grand piano and a sound system. As I arrived the crowd was already gathering and I think by the time the concert started we had at least 50 people. Joe Gaylord, our energetic host, was running around doing setup and welcoming people. He ran up to me and said I should meet Sarah, a young woman who he just met. She had come to the event pleading with him to let her play because she loved Joni Mitchell. She played him a song and he immediately agreed to let her open the night. When I went up to her she said, "Are you THE Sue McNamara." I will never get used to people saying that to me, but as it turns out she is a frequent visitor to the Joni Mitchell Guitar Database and learned Just Like Me and I Had a King from the tabs there. As we chatted more I found out that she was a homeless street singer, not more than 20 years old. She had recently come from California and Joe warned her about experiencing her first Ithaca winter. The performances began with Sarah, who did a great version of Just Like Me, and performed like Joni with the overhand barre chord (which she used for a lot of those early songs). Sarah also did a great job with I Had A King. She has a very distinctive voice, which filled the concert hall with a pleading old folk flair. Joe Gaylord was one of the original players at the Only Joni Open Mikes that Patti Witten hosted a couple of years ago at Juno's Cafi in Ithaca (Juno's is now gone ... another sad reminder of the recession). Joe freaked me out at the first open mike by playing The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay from Mingus and he reprised that along with Amelia for tonight's performance. Instead of a sing-a-long we had a "howl-a-long" - a big crowd pleaser! A number of the acts who performed were local singer-songwriters. Linda Stout performed stunning versions of River and A Case of You. You can check out her bio and discography at her website http://www.lindastout.com. Next up was me, and I played Coyote and Just Like This Train, two of my favorites in Carolina Kitchen Tuning (CGDFCE). Colleen Kattau, another local singer/songwriter played with a friend Mike (I'm sorry I can't remember his last name). Mike played bass during Colleen's beautiful version of Rainy Night House. Then Mike channeled Joni on piano for an incredible performance of Judgment of the Moon and the Stars. How can it be that I've heard this song covered live twice in one month? The Mutts of the Planet also did justice to this masterpiece at Jonifest in Idyllwild, an amazing memory for me. Colleen and Mike also raised the bar of our local tribute by doing a great version. You can find Colleen on the web at http://www.fire-tiger.com/www/colleenkattau/coltemp/ John Simon and Tom Farrell, two members of the group Yardvarks, played a classic bonfire version of The Circle Game with harmonious audience participation. They then did a fun honky tonk version of Raised on Robbery. You can find the Yarkvarks at this website: http://www.zeserson.com/yardvarks.html Another highlight of the night was Terry Burns and her husband Ron Kristy. Terry is another one of the beautiful and talented Burns Sisters, who have played locally and nationally for many years. Ron Kristy is also a performer, singer-songwriter and music producer. They performed Both Sides Now and Big Yellow Taxi. Their websites are http://www.ronkristy.com/ and http://www.terryburns.biz/bio.htm At last, my favorite and dear friend, Patti Witten, came up to the stage donned in blonde wig, to play the finale. She performed wonderful versions of For The Roses and Hejira (bravely re-tuning in between songs!). Patti's own songwriting hits me emotionally in much the same way as Joni's and I encourage everyone to go to her website and hear some of her beautiful songs (and buy a CD too http://www.pattiwitten.com ). Not long ago I was privileged to sit in her living room and hear her play the song You're So Mine from her latest CD Tell The Wind. Weeping! She's so talented. So there's my report of a very successful Joni Mitchell Tribute Night ... I'm so grateful to Joe Gaylord for getting this together for a worthy cause. I hope Sarah is in a warm apartment soon playing more Joni tunes and that more budding Jonis get to learn their craft with the help of the CSMA scholarship program. ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:28:44 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Report from the Ithaca, NY Joni Mitchell Tribute Show, Friday Oct 16, 2009 Susan regaled us with stories of the Ithaca Tribute Show <<< At last, my favorite and dear friend, Patti Witten, came up to the stage donned in blonde wig, to play the finale. She performed wonderful versions of For The Roses and Hejira (bravely re-tuning in between songs!). Patti's own songwriting hits me emotionally in much the same way as Joni's and I encourage everyone to go to her website and hear some of her beautiful songs (and buy a CD too http://www.pattiwitten.com ). Not long ago I was privileged to sit in her living room and hear her play the song You're So Mine from her latest CD Tell The Wind. Weeping! She's so talented. >>> Thanks so much for this report, Susan. Did anyone make a recording at all? Speaking of tuning between songs, my husband, Brad, who attended Joni Fest with me laughingly said the guitar players at JoniFest were "Tuneaholics," he teasingly wondered if there was a 12-step program for them? I thought it was pretty funny. I had explained to him about the different tunings for different songs and he was well-aware of why it was necessary but watching Kay (the fastest tuneaholic in the West) he *really* understood. love, Cassy NP: Sufjan Stevens - To Be Alone with You ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:09:22 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Report from the Ithaca, NY Joni Mitchell Tribute Show, Friday Oct 16, 2009 Thanks for the report Sue. I knew it would be great, especially with both YOU and Patti performing. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:47 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from JM Contact Us page Any help for Ethan? - -----Original Message----- From: eehicks@rmi.net Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:14 PM I've been trying to figure out what kind of dulcimer Joni used to play. Pictures are incomplete but it appears her instrument has a metal tailpiece like those found on archtop guitars or early electric guitars. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Name: Ethan Hicks email: eehicks@rmi.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:25:32 +1100 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: In Respect of the Black Man Mark wrote: >And then there's Joni as 'Art Nouveau' and Lily as Pervis Hawkins. I can't believe those portrayals were conceived as disrespectful or as racial slurs. I watched the sketch on the Hey Hey It's Saturday reunion show and, like Mark, at first did not see the controversy. As Mark said, although we observed the struggle of the civil rights movement, we observed it from afar. Then I likened it to the struggle of the Aboriginal people in Australia. I wondered how I would feel if a TV show in the US (or anywhere else for that matter) showed a white person dressed up as Australian Aborigine in black face and wig - with spear, loincloth and boomerang dancing around a fire. I would be highly offended. This put it into perspective for me, and I knew I would immediately feel as affronted as Harry Connick Jr clearly was on the Hey Hey reunion show. On a related matter, here is the minstrel sketch from Little Britain. I now don't know what to make of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRwlbI2_pQ&NR=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:47 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: FW: Message from JM Contact Us page Joni's dulcimers were, I believe, designed and made by Joellen Lapidu. Jerry On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > Any help for Ethan? > > -----Original Message----- > From: eehicks@rmi.net > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:14 PM > > I've been trying to figure out what kind of dulcimer Joni used to play. > Pictures are incomplete but it appears her instrument has a metal tailpiece > like those found on archtop guitars or early electric guitars. Any help > would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Name: Ethan Hicks > email: eehicks@rmi.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:48:31 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Report from the Ithaca, NY Joni Mitchell Tribute Show, Friday Oct 16, 2009 KAY is a FREAK!!!!! On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Cassy wrote: Susan regaled us with stories of the Ithaca Tribute Show <<< At last, my favorite and dear friend, Patti Witten, came up to the stage donned in blonde wig, to play the finale. She performed wonderful versions of For The Roses and Hejira (bravely re-tuning in between songs!). Patti's own songwriting hits me emotionally in much the same way as Joni's and I encourage everyone to go to her website and hear some of her beautiful songs (and buy a CD too http://www.pattiwitten.com ). Not long ago I was privileged to sit in her living room and hear her play the song You're So Mine from her latest CD Tell The Wind. Weeping! She's so talented. >>> Thanks so much for this report, Susan. Did anyone make a recording at all? Speaking of tuning between songs, my husband, Brad, who attended Joni Fest with me laughingly said the guitar players at JoniFest were "Tuneaholics," he teasingly wondered if there was a 12-step program for them? I thought it was pretty funny. I had explained to him about the different tunings for different songs and he was well-aware of why it was necessary but watching Kay (the fastest tuneaholic in the West) he *really* understood. love, Cassy NP: Sufjan Stevens - To Be Alone with You ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:56:59 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: FW: Message from JM Contact Us page That should be Lapidus. Sorry. Jerry On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Gerald Notaro wrote: > Joni's dulcimers were, I believe, designed and made by Joellen Lapidu. > > Jerry > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > >> Any help for Ethan? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eehicks@rmi.net >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:14 PM >> >> I've been trying to figure out what kind of dulcimer Joni used to play. >> Pictures are incomplete but it appears her instrument has a metal tailpiece >> like those found on archtop guitars or early electric guitars. Any help >> would be appreciated. Thanks. >> >> Name: Ethan Hicks >> email: eehicks@rmi.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:48:24 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: In Respect of The Black Man NJC Hi Anne. I do have a good idea of the experiences of people with an African origin in your country. It is similar to the awful things that have happened to minority races in many countries but, of course, not the same. It reminds me of what Jews must have felt in the build up to WWII. It was dangerous to even mention that you are Jewish. Or the ethnic cleansing of the Balkans. Or homophobic attacks. Or, a more similar case to the American experience, the Apartheid system of South Africa. To attack or demean a person just because of who how they were born or how nature has made them just because you appear or behave as the majority is a flaw in the human psyche and must be fought against at all levels. We have had our own shameful chapters in Australian history but they were not the same experiences as in the USA or South Africa or the Balkans. It is always best to be aware of the plight of the oppressed minorities in every part of the world so we don't do or say the wrong thing but, that's just not practical. Africans have always been exotic to Australians. Whether they were the ones imported to the USA first or straight from Africa. Even today, there are very few Africans living in Australia. We do not have a history or dividing people by skin colour. As far as I remember, there has never been any general negative connotations put on people with darker skin. Australians have always been pretty open minded when it comes to races. More of a curiosity than judgemental. That's not to say we are squeaky clean. We have our own racism issues but they are not the same as America's or anyone else's. By the same token, we have also not experienced the ethnic tensions with the Pakistani and Indian people in England. These are unique to the location. I can say the word, Nigger because it has no cultural history to me. I would not use that word to vilify an African American person because I am aware of it's historical meaning to that person. In the context of this culture, it is a nonsensical word without much meaning. In fact, that word is never heard here, not out of respect for African Americans but because it has very little meaning here. I remember hearing it as a child once or twice and thinking it was a playful word that was adapted from the word, Negro. I believe that everyone has an obligation to learn something of the laws and culture of a country before visiting. I know most of what I should and shouldn't do and say when I visit the United States. Are you aware that you can refer to Australian aboriginal people as "Black Fellas"? Or that you should never refer to a woman's "fanny"? Or that the worst word to use around a gay person is, "poofter"? The black face sketch on Hey Hey It's Saturday was a recreation of a very silly sketch from the 1980s. It was aimed at the Jacksons. The controversy was that they had insulted a guest from another country. I feel quite insulted by the depiction of Australians on American media sometimes. The stupid Crocodile Dundee outback characters that people seem to be fixated on. We are never recognised for academic excellence or literature or medical advances. I just shrug my shoulders and put it down to ignorance. You can't expect people from outside of your country to fully understand you local history. Mark in liberal Sydney On 19/10/2009, at 11:39 PM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > I didn't see the skit, but I do find anyone performing in black face > offensive. That includes Joni's DJRD cover. Perhaps this is me being > narrow minded in my own way, but I always felt that Joni had some > nerve to appear as she did. > > And, Mark, I agree with your friend. The 'n' word is the worst. I > will never utter it. > > fwiw, I grew up in Dorchester, a neighborhood of Boston. Race was > THE issue. And arson was the weapon (too long to explain why > here...) It's easy for people from the suburbs, the prairies, the > outback, whatever, to imagine the impact of racial hatred on lives. > It's quite another to live with the consequences, to sleep in your > clothes so you can escape quickly, to wake to a house filled with > smoke night after night, to see firemen blown out of windows or > engulfed in flames, to see greedy white people trying to feed off of > and profit from racial fear and hatred. > > Wishing skin color were as irrelevant as hair color in matters of > equality. Always there, but something to be appreciated rather than > something to result in prejudice. > > lots of love, > Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:55:52 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: SoCal Joni Fest recordings Dear Mark, Sorry to hear about the emergency hospital visit and I hope everything turned out well. Be glad that you can actually go to hospital without it meaning financial ruin for you, as it does for many in the U.S. Anyway, on to matters Joni: All the mp3s from JoniFest are labelled with title and performer and whether they came from general performances, song circles or special guest appearances. If you download the folder of tunes and drop them into iTunes or your equivalent all the info should appear. To give an exact timeline of when each song was played would be time consuming for me and I have already devoted dozens of hours to preparing the mixes so if it's okay I'll let that aspect be nebulous. The show from my band Mutts of the Planet as I mentioned is in production and selections from it will be released on CD in the near future. It is not included in the current download packet. Dave On Oct 18, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hello everyone. I've just come out of hospital after some emergency > surgery. Quite a surreal experience after having been a Nurse for 25 > years. This was my first time being a patient. Weird! They say > Nurses make the worst patients and it's true for me. I bitched > through the whole thing. :-) > > Anyway, I've just been trying to catch up on my Joni-list e-mails > while the holes in my body slowly close over. SoCal JoniFest seems > like such a huge success. I'm so glad it was. I knew it would be > though. Such an idyllic (excuse the pun) setting and two very > together people who have a passion for music and friends to organise > it. > > I have just downloaded the recordings and I am really looking > forward to listening to them all. Thanks so much for this, Dave. > It's not only a great souvenir for those who attended but, it allows > those of us who couldn't be there to feel part of the experience > too. Is there a track listing for them? Who sung what, when? I > understand that you're going to put together a CD package but, I'd > also like to play around with it too, just like I did with > Hollycombe. Just for fun. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Cherokee Louise - Wendy Matthews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:42:08 -0400 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: Report from the Ithaca, NY Joni Mitchell Tribute Show, Friday Oct 16, 2009 Awesome! Thanks for the wonderful report Sue. Wish I was there... Rose Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Susan E McNamara wrote: > Joni Mitchell Tribute Night > Community School of Music and Art > Ithaca, NY > Friday, October 16, 2009, 7:00 p.m. > > Songlist: > > Sarah Hutchenson: Just Like Me, I Had A King > Joe Gaylord: Amelia, The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay > Linda Stout: River, A Case of You > Sue McNamara: Coyote, Just Like This Train > Colleen Kattau and Mike: Rainy Night House, Judgment of the Moon > and Stars > John Simon and Tom Farrell: Circle Game, Raised on Robbery > Terry Burns and Ron Kristy: Both Sides Now, Big Yellow Taxi > Patti Witten: For The Roses, Hejira > > The performance was up in a third floor concert space of the > Community School > of Music and Arts in Ithaca, NY. We were provided with a nice grand > piano and > a sound system. As I arrived the crowd was already gathering and I > think by > the time the concert started we had at least 50 people. > > Joe Gaylord, our energetic host, was running around doing setup and > welcoming > people. He ran up to me and said I should meet Sarah, a young woman > who he > just met. She had come to the event pleading with him to let her > play because > she loved Joni Mitchell. She played him a song and he immediately > agreed to > let her open the night. When I went up to her she said, "Are you > THE Sue > McNamara." I will never get used to people saying that to me, but > as it turns > out she is a frequent visitor to the Joni Mitchell Guitar Database > and learned > Just Like Me and I Had a King from the tabs there. As we chatted > more I > found out that she was a homeless street singer, not more than 20 > years old. > She had recently come from California and Joe warned her about > experiencing > her first Ithaca winter. > > The performances began with Sarah, who did a great version of Just > Like Me, > and performed like Joni with the overhand barre chord (which she > used for a > lot of those early songs). Sarah also did a great job with I Had A > King. She > has a very distinctive voice, which filled the concert hall with a > pleading > old folk flair. > > Joe Gaylord was one of the original players at the Only Joni Open > Mikes that > Patti Witten hosted a couple of years ago at Juno's Cafi in Ithaca > (Juno's is > now gone ... another sad reminder of the recession). Joe freaked me > out at > the first open mike by playing The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay from > Mingus and > he reprised that along with Amelia for tonight's performance. > Instead of a > sing-a-long we had a "howl-a-long" - a big crowd pleaser! > > A number of the acts who performed were local singer-songwriters. > Linda Stout > performed stunning versions of River and A Case of You. You can > check out her > bio and discography at her website http://www.lindastout.com. > > Next up was me, and I played Coyote and Just Like This Train, two of > my > favorites in Carolina Kitchen Tuning (CGDFCE). > > Colleen Kattau, another local singer/songwriter played with a friend > Mike (I'm > sorry I can't remember his last name). Mike played bass during > Colleen's > beautiful version of Rainy Night House. Then Mike channeled Joni on > piano for > an incredible performance of Judgment of the Moon and the Stars. > How can it > be that I've heard this song covered live twice in one month? The > Mutts of > the Planet also did justice to this masterpiece at Jonifest in > Idyllwild, an > amazing memory for me. Colleen and Mike also raised the bar of our > local > tribute by doing a great version. You can find Colleen on the web at > http://www.fire-tiger.com/www/colleenkattau/coltemp/ > > John Simon and Tom Farrell, two members of the group Yardvarks, > played a > classic bonfire version of The Circle Game with harmonious audience > participation. They then did a fun honky tonk version of Raised on > Robbery. > You can find the Yarkvarks at this website: > http://www.zeserson.com/yardvarks.html > > Another highlight of the night was Terry Burns and her husband Ron > Kristy. > Terry is another one of the beautiful and talented Burns Sisters, > who have > played locally and nationally for many years. Ron Kristy is also a > performer, > singer-songwriter and music producer. They performed Both Sides Now > and Big > Yellow Taxi. Their websites are http://www.ronkristy.com/ and > http://www.terryburns.biz/bio.htm > > At last, my favorite and dear friend, Patti Witten, came up to the > stage > donned in blonde wig, to play the finale. She performed wonderful > versions of > For The Roses and Hejira (bravely re-tuning in between songs!). > Patti's own > songwriting hits me emotionally in much the same way as Joni's and I > encourage > everyone to go to her website and hear some of her beautiful songs > (and buy a > CD too http://www.pattiwitten.com ). Not long ago I was privileged > to sit in > her living room and hear her play the song You're So Mine from her > latest CD > Tell The Wind. Weeping! She's so talented. > > So there's my report of a very successful Joni Mitchell Tribute > Night ... I'm > so grateful to Joe Gaylord for getting this together for a worthy > cause. I > hope Sarah is in a warm apartment soon playing more Joni tunes and > that more > budding Jonis get to learn their craft with the help of the CSMA > scholarship > program. > > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Jonifest Recordings Hi y'all - here's another link for the recordings from SoCalFest: http://tinyurl.com/yzk6ycu Bob NP: Pink Floyd, "On The Run" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:35:29 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Saskatoon In a message dated 10/19/09 11:41:31 AM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Mark may be thinking of the NFL. (National Football League.) There are > no Canadian teams in that. Canada has its own football league and our rules > are different. More than that I can't tell you because I can't stands > football! > > I'm not a sports fan at all but I think that, if it's two US teams playing > in the US, they play only the American national anthem and if it's two > Canadian teams playing in Canada, only the Canadian; but if it's an American > and a Canadian team playing, they play both national anthems. There's > probably also some protocol about whose gets played first. I'm guessing they > play the away team's anthem first, followed by the home team, but I don't > know for sure. > I think you're absolutely right, Catherine. Hey, I wonder why someone doesn't ask Joni to sing the national anthem at a Canadian Football game... I bet you'd watch it then. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:56:00 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Saskatoon I have no idea about US or Canadian sports. I have very little idea about Australian sports. With this newly acquired information, I am surprised Joni hasn't sung the Canadian national anthem at a Canadian hockey or football match. I guess she's not that patriotic. That would be, "O, Canada", right? They don't sing any national anthems at Australian football matches. It's not really relevant to the game unless we are playing against another country. Mark in Sydney NP Tell Me - Go West On 20/10/2009, at 1:35 PM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/19/09 11:41:31 AM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > >> Mark may be thinking of the NFL. (National Football League.) There >> are no Canadian teams in that. Canada has its own football league >> and our rules are different. More than that I can't tell you >> because I can't stands football! >> >> I'm not a sports fan at all but I think that, if it's two US teams >> playing in the US, they play only the American national anthem and >> if it's two Canadian teams playing in Canada, only the Canadian; >> but if it's an American and a Canadian team playing, they play both >> national anthems. There's probably also some protocol about whose >> gets played first. I'm guessing they play the away team's anthem >> first, followed by the home team, but I don't know for sure. > > I think you're absolutely right, Catherine. > Hey, I wonder why someone doesn't ask Joni to sing the national > anthem at a Canadian Football game... I bet you'd watch it then. > > Kenny B ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #310 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------