From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #302 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 12 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 302 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: karen oberlin [Bob Muller ] RE: JMDL Digest V2009 #300 The Archers (NJC) [clive sax ] The Dulsons at Jonifest (very long) NJC [] Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? [gerard mclaughlin ] RE: How do you stop singing at concerts? Now Joni embarassment lyrics [P] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:10:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: karen oberlin Maybe Karen is going to record that one on an upcoming album. She recorded (the rarely covered) "Barangrill" previously. Bob NP: The Drive-By Truckers, "Rebels" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:00:34 +0100 From: clive sax Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2009 #300 The Archers (NJC) > For all you non-UK Listers, The > Archers is a radio drama with a huge following in the UK amongst the over... > em... over... well, let's just say older than me. Radio 4 apparently has a > demographic with the average age of 71. When I read this Catherine I was a little shocked! I listen everyday and at 45 I thought I was the average age of the Radio 4 listener....well we're both a little Wrong. The average age is 53. for Radio 5 it's 45 for radio 1 its 27 and for radio 2 and 3 it's 51. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radio/ifi/rbl/car/ifmapps/manchester/arrowqa.pdf This makes sense as all my friends in their mid 50's listen to the Archers! I do too but am finding the acting around jacks dementia a little too hard to bare - if I hear him say " can I go home now Peggy" one more time in that frail slightly worried tone I'll chuck my homemade seville orange marmalade made with a recipe from the ambrige website http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/archers/ambridgearchive/ against the Potting shed wall!! Clive _________________________________________________________________ Access your other email accounts and manage all your email from one place. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:06:32 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC, TV Alert for Wednesday: the other Joan Joan Baez How Sweet the Sound THIRTEENs American Masters explores fifty years of folk legend and human rights activist Joan Baez in Joan Baez: How Sweet the Sound, airing October 14 on PBS. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/joan-baez/how-sweet-the-soun d/1185/ Candid interviews with David Crosby and Bob Dylan, "and you know, there may be more." xo, pp, hoping I didn't need to tinyurl that! ; ) "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:35:52 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? This is what Rolling Stone said about 'Talk to Me' when it reviewed 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter': '"Talk to Me" is the LP's most enduring number: as a terrible embarrassing song about feeling terribly embarrassed, it has a scary appropriateness.' 'Oh I talk too loose Again I talk to open and free I pay a high price for my open talking Like you do for your silent mystery' Just one more volley in the war between Joni & Rolling Stone. They pretty much trashed the album. Pennance Crane is maybe too embarrassed (or guilty) to admit her affair with the Pirate. There seems to be some embarrassment about her success when she says she plays 'for fortune and those velvet curtain calls' or 'if you have the money or if you're a friend to me.' 'But the one-man band by the quick lunch stand, he was playing real good for free.' In 'Down to You' after 'a few drinks later, you're not so choosy'. And then 'clutching the night to you like a fig leaf you hurry to the blackness and the blankets.' I think that implies embarrassment or perhaps shame. Running into the night and the blankets to cover up or hide, like putting a fig leaf over what is embarrassing. Just a few thoughts about this. I can't think of a song where she actually uses the word embarrassed. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Peckham" To: "Patti Parlette" ; "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Patti Parlette > wrote: > > "P.S. Does Joni have any lyrics about being embarrassed? I can't > think of > any > off the top of my head." > > Bonjour Ms. Parlette! I'm sitting here listening to Ryan Adams & the > Cardinals--*Follow the Lights*--highly recommended---so I can't > clear my > brain and think all things Joni, but this comes to mind: ". . . And > feeling > too foolish and strange to say the words that I had planned." I > don't think > Joni ever used the word "embarrassed" in a song (tho I could > certainly be > wrong!), but feeling foolish comes pretty close, non? > > Terra, feeling very foolish for not getting out sooner in this > gorgeous, > cool fall weather! > > > > > "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then > there'd > be > peace." > -- John Lennon > > http://www.imaginepeace.com/ > >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ >> > > > > -- > Some things in life it just gets too late to learn . . . --Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:53:14 +0100 From: joe farrell Subject: re:desert island discs Steve Coogan chose "California" by Joni as one of his desert island discs on BBC Radio Four this morning. The show is available on line on BBC i. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:24:30 -0400 From: Subject: The Dulsons at Jonifest (very long) NJC Well, here's an even more belated report than Lindsay's! :) Reading the other "reviews" of the weekend and other Joni events, it always amuses Michele and I that folks talk about us being such a perfect, well-suited couple. Hah! If you only knew! :) Finally, I have a chance to put all this together. I have uploaded all the photos fit to print to the Yahoo Groups page - I'm afraid I don't know how to use Flickr or the other sites mentioned, but I could take a shot if begged to. :) First of all, what can you say about Dave and Robin? Creating this magical event was a HUGE amount of work - I am in awe of you guys! Everyone else has rapturized over the food, so let me just say amen to that. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving us this weekend. Thursday morning, Michele and I went for one of our not-regular- enough three-mile walks on the beach, a round trip between the Newport and Balboa piers. Then we negated all that exercise by sitting and watching the surfers as we ate our ham-and-cheese croissants. Sadly, Yvette Mimeux did not show.:) Then, time to pack the van for the two-hour drive to Idyllwild. Hmmm...243 going up the mountain is quite a drive. Fortunately the near- sheer hillsides were not littered with burned-out wrecks of cars, so I guess most people make it safely up and down. Arriving at the Creekstone, we were greeted by Dave, whom we had met a month or so earlier at Lesli's, and introduced to Barry and Delene. Then off to find our room at Oak View. I have an opposite problem to Jeannie - I sleep well at home, but could not sleep in Idyllwild - the altitude? Sensory overstimulation? Who knows, but an afternoon nap proved abortive, as did almost all my attempts at sleep up there. Then back to the Creekstone. Here is where the chronology breaks down, blame the lack of sleep and the apparently bottomless bottles of Pinot Grigio. Not to slight anyone, but coming to the fest I was most looking forward to: meeting Sue McNamara, my first "friend" on the list when I joined in...1995? '96?, meeting Bob Muller, I mean, he IS a legend, after all, and seeing Lindsay Moon again, whom I had not seen since a get-together at Les Deux Cafes about 2000. How fabulous are those three? Wow, what a hoot Muller is! It was so nice to sit and talk with Lindsay, as calm, cool and collected in person as she is on the list. SueMac played the heck out of my old Yamaha - it's about time a good player got there hands on that guitar! It is ALWAYS a joy and pleasure to see our old buddies Paz, Kakki, Ashara, Jimmy, Kate and Jeff, Steve and Pearl and Pete and Lesli. Michele is not a huge Joni fan, but says she comes to Joni-events because she loves the people. Thank God for Wally, Les and the list for the friendships they have created. Some of the moments I love best about these get-togethers is the randomness of sitting down next to someone you don't know and ending up having a real heart-to-heart talk with them, and discovering yet another kindred spirit. I felt those moments with Lieve, Jody and Laura (now we know why happydaman is so happy!)Angela was a total pleasant surprise to me - another fan of James Keelaghan, David Francy and Gordon Lightfoot! Thank you for the JK and GL concerts you copied onto my lap top - I've been enjoying them on my iPod at work. Thanks to Cassy and Brad for organizing the raffle! Cassy is a Horrocks from the north of England, and I had grandparents named Horrox, so I'm sure we're related somehow. Kay (what a singer!) and quiet, mysterious, beautiful Jeannie - I wish we'd had more opportunities to talk. It was great sitting on the quiet deck of Oak View, talking to Henning - too bad his Laura had a cold. Congratulations on Denmark qualifying for the World Cup 2010 yesterday! Of course, as we were chatting over our coffee, Paz walked onto the deck, looked at the endless expanse of pine trees and mountains and growled "What is all this *&^(? Where are all the #%$*ing buidings?!?" It was another moment to treasure. :) Which brings us to the music - and Barry and Delene. From the moment Barry picked up his alto sax and started backing Paz's impromptu "Southern Man" it was obvious that he is hugely talented. The next day, Friday, we dragged Barry and Delene onto the porch and pressured them to practice a couple of songs with us, which they did with much good-natured forbearance. Then Delene played a set of tunes on her dulcimer, which I discovered I could easily back on mine, and a performance piece was born. Thursday night Michele had sung Mike Cross' "The Scotsman" ("We're not doing any penis songs in MY band!" a former bandmate once said) so Friday we countered with a breast song, John Flynn's "Minnie Lou", with Paz helping out on guitar. Paz and Kate played on "Hard Times Come Again No More", Delene on dulcimer for "I'll Fly Away" and our "Boil Old Joe Clark's Soldier's Joys Down" piece and then her and Barry MADE our versions of "Star of the County Down" and "The Parting Glass." It is SO GOOD to play with talented musicians, who are also so supportive and willing to help a couple of old folkies sound almost good. It almost makes me want to start another band...........nah.... :) I really enjoyed hearing everyone else's music, and all the Joni stuff, and all the Beatles (thanks to Henning!) What a musical feast! The Mutts were, of course, transcendent, the high points for me being "The Jungle Line" and "Woodstock." Incredibly talented musicians, an incredible singer (Robin!) and Dave's incredible arrangements were... were...incredible! I run out of words. Which is good, otherwise I'd have to review Muller's "Dancing Clown". :) So, yes, I am finally out of words - I will write to several of you individually, following up on some stuff we talked about. Thank you Dave and Robin for making it happen, thank you to all of you for making it a weekend never to be forgotten. I love you all. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:12:32 +0100 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? there,s a line running through my head but i cant get the song right now...its to do with embarassment..."feeling too ashamed to say the words that I'd meant" or something like that. can anyone help me out here? it is a joni song i think.... och..its from "i dont know where i stand" and it is "the words i had planned. " i think thats already been up for grabs here in this discussion. in this case, in this beautiful song, i think the shame is more akin to embarassment, non? mark said In 'Down to You' after 'a few drinks later, you're not so choosy'. And then 'clutching the night to you like a fig leaf you hurry to the blackness and the blankets.' I think that implies embarrassment or perhaps shame. Running into the night and the blankets to cover up or hide, like putting a fig leaf over what is embarrassing. Just a few thoughts about this. I can't think of a song where she actually uses the word embarrassed. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Peckham" To: "Patti Parlette" ; "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Patti Parlette > >wrote: >> >> "P.S. Does Joni have any lyrics about being embarrassed? I can't think >> of >> any >> off the top of my head." >> >> Bonjour Ms. Parlette! I'm sitting here listening to Ryan Adams & the >> Cardinals--*Follow the Lights*--highly recommended---so I can't clear my >> brain and think all things Joni, but this comes to mind: ". . . And >> feeling >> too foolish and strange to say the words that I had planned." I don't >> think >> Joni ever used the word "embarrassed" in a song (tho I could certainly be >> wrong!), but feeling foolish comes pretty close, non? >> >> Terra, feeling very foolish for not getting out sooner in this gorgeous, >> cool fall weather! >> >> >> >> >> "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then >> there'd >> be >> peace." >> -- John Lennon >> >> http://www.imaginepeace.com/ >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Some things in life it just gets too late to learn . . . --Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:47:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Fest Report (late!!) & Joni on TV LOL Lindsay! I'm sure that Bob & Sue were just as much in awe of you. You've done so much transcribing for JoniMitchell.com, so you're right up there! Miss you already! Jimmy In a message dated 10/10/2009 7:50:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, moonlj@san.rr.com writes: > Wonderful to meet all of you, Bob &Sue, thanks for riding up with me. It > was so great to meet Sue whom I've read about all these years . and in the > back of my mind I was thinking, wait, this is the guy who is responsible > for > all Joni covers and the woman who instituted the Tabs section and I'm > driving them? I kept muttering to myself "Don't have an accident! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:07:31 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: The Archers (NJC) Haha perhaps in 'youthful' Manchester the listenership are in their early / mid 50s, but I was told by the head of radio drama that it was 71. But perhaps he was trying to be off-putting to a room full of wannabe writers who knew nothing about writing for anyone older than 30! Sent from Zooby's iPod http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk On 11 Oct 2009, at 15:00, clive sax wrote: >> For all you non-UK Listers, The >> Archers is a radio drama with a huge following in the UK amongst the > over... >> em... over... well, let's just say older than me. Radio 4 >> apparently has a >> demographic with the average age of 71. > > > When I read this Catherine I was a little shocked! I listen everyday > and at 45 > I thought I was the average age of the Radio 4 listener....well > we're both a > little Wrong. The average age is 53. for Radio 5 it's 45 for radio 1 > its 27 > and for radio 2 and 3 it's 51. > > > > http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radio/ifi/rbl/car/ifmapps/manchester/arrowqa.pdf > > > > This makes sense as all my friends in their mid 50's listen to the > Archers! I > do too but am finding the acting around jacks dementia a little too > hard to > bare - if I hear him say " can I go home now Peggy" one more time in > that > frail slightly worried tone I'll chuck my homemade seville orange > marmalade > made with a recipe from the ambrige website > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/archers/ambridgearchive/ against the > Potting shed > wall!! > > > > Clive > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Access your other email accounts and manage all your email from one > place. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:11:41 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: How do you stop singing at concerts? Now Joni embarassment lyrics Thanks, Mark and Terra and Gerard, for your thoughtful replies. You really dug down deep into Joni's oeuvre. I hope you did not lose good sleep! ; ) I don't think Joni is ever embarrassed, though. She's so busy, being free. And with "an ego like Mussolini's" (LOL!) there are no regrets, Coyotes! xo, pp > This is what Rolling Stone said about 'Talk to Me' when it reviewed > 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter': > > '"Talk to Me" is the LP's most enduring number: as a terrible > embarrassing song about feeling terribly embarrassed, it has a scary > appropriateness.' > > 'Oh I talk too loose > Again I talk to open and free > I pay a high price for my open talking > Like you do for your silent mystery' > > Just one more volley in the war between Joni & Rolling Stone. They > pretty much trashed the album. > > Pennance Crane is maybe too embarrassed (or guilty) to admit her > affair with the Pirate. > > There seems to be some embarrassment about her success when she says > she plays 'for fortune and those velvet curtain calls' or 'if you have > the money or if you're a friend to me.' > 'But the one-man band by the quick lunch stand, he was playing real > good for free.' > > In 'Down to You' after 'a few drinks later, you're not so choosy'. > And then 'clutching the night to you like a fig leaf you hurry to the > blackness and the blankets.' I think that implies embarrassment or > perhaps shame. Running into the night and the blankets to cover up or > hide, like putting a fig leaf over what is embarrassing. > > Just a few thoughts about this. I can't think of a song where she > actually uses the word embarrassed. > > Mark in Seattle _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #302 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------