From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #282 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 23 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 282 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Amchitka and A few new tidbits on the Greenpeace CD [est86mlm@ameritech.n] Joni-joking sons and one Joni-thing leads to another in the workplace [Pa] Re: Joni-joking sons and one Joni-thing leads to another in the workplace [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni-joking sons and one Joni-thing leads to another in the workplace ["Cassy" ] Re: 2 folk songs ? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Chuck, Joni & Me [JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com] Re: 2 folk songs ? [Catherine McKay ] Re: 2 folk songs ? [Vince ] Re: 2 folk songs ? [Corey Blake ] Re: 2 folk songs ? [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: 2 folk songs ? [Catherine McKay ] Re: 2 folk songs ? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Roses Blue instrument ["Jill Haas" ] Re: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! ["P. Henry" ] Re: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! ["P. Henry" ] jonimentionjonimention (sorry for the weird title) [Rian Afriadi Subject: Joni-joking sons and one Joni-thing leads to another in the workplace Dear Joniamigos: I just got an email at work from my son MfM. This is a rare and joyous occurance, and because there is Joni content, I just have to share. Now don't be hard on him. He's only teasing me (the way he shows affection and respect). He was brought up on Joni, after all! ; ) Voila: Please do not confuse me for a joni fan, but I was listening to a song today and I heard a joni reference. Look at the last line in the 4th verse: http://www.metrolyrics.com/only-human-lyrics-jason-mraz.html Jason Mraz is kind of a weirdo, so I'm not surprised he quoted her. Just thought you would find this interesting ****** Ha ha! Freshie, eh? Reminds me of other memorable Joni moments w/my sons. (Uh oh! Put a quarter in the Wurlitzed and the thing begins to whirrrrr.) When my older son (a few years before he DELIGHTED and surprised me CG at his wedding) called me from his first trip to Chicago, where his company sent him to find housing. He called me at my workplace (there again, a rare and joyous occurance) to say he just got into the rental car at O'Hare, and "guess what's on the radio?" He held the phone up to the radio and, amid the "who needs the static", I heard BYT. "Chris! WOW!" I exclaimed. "That's a sign that you belong in Chicago!" Not missing a beat, he said: "No, Mom. It's a sign that if I DO move to Chicago, I should never listen to THIS radio station." Ha ha! Another freshie! Oh my, the seasons do go round and round, don't they? The years spin by and now the boys are both well over twenty. Aging children. I am one. Well, as I said, one Joni thing leads to another. My new student worker came in (he was a free man in Paris last year) and I shared the email with him and asked him if he knew Joni, and he said, "Well, a LITTLE." So, he got remedial Joni 101. CG youtube, then the "news" that JONI wrote BYT, not Counting Crows. Then, a quick scroll through the most comprehensive and awesome website on this whole "marbled bowling ball" (thank you, Les, and slices of you from the company story!!!) to assure him that I am not just some lunatic fringe fan all on my own. As further proof, I showed him The New Yorker cartoon: "The only thing that's never going away is Joni Mitchell." Darn right! He was receptive and open (illumination was gathering in his gaze) and I look forward to teaching him and all the children here well. It all comes down to Joni. ; ) Now, I must get back to work. There's a lot of people asking for my time. Hope everyone is putting on the day in a good way. xo, Patti P., throwing the lightness on these things, laughing it all away P.S. Calendars of our lives....I just realized it was four years ago that I got my new vehicle and how so many of you gave your ideas for the christening song. Hejira won. And how I was a little nervous driving it home w/ all the new bells and whistles because Muller told me not to drive it into a ditch. Muller, you son of a b@#$%! Have a happy b/day tomorrow and BON VOYAGE to everyone on the road to the CA Jonifest. Jealous lovin' will make the rest of us crazy. Beep beep 'em, beep beep, yeah! Vaya con Joni, in the refuge of the roads. "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv's&form=MSHNCB&publ=WLHMTAG&c rea=TEXT_MSHNCB_Vertical_Shopping_DigitalTVs_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni-joking sons and one Joni-thing leads to another in the workplace - --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Patti Parlette wrote: > I just got an email at work from my son MfM. This is > a rare and joyous > occurance, and because there is Joni content, I just have > to share. > ... > > Voila: > Please do not confuse me for a joni fan, but I was > listening to a song today > and I heard a joni reference. Look at the last line in the > 4th verse: > > http://www.metrolyrics.com/only-human-lyrics-jason-mraz.html > > Jason Mraz is kind of a weirdo, so I'm not surprised he > quoted her. > Hey, PP, my daughter is a big JM (that's Jason Mraz, not Joni Mitchell) fan and she has dragged me to his concerts with her a couple of times. I've noticed the "paving over paradise" line myself, but bit my tongue. I try not to inflict Joni on them, in the belief, mistaken or otherwise, that they might at some point see the light on their own. So, while we're at it, here's a couple of things relating to my kids. My son is in first year at York University in Toronto. He's taking a course called [something like] The History of Rock. The prof is Rob Bowman. I understand he was a presenter at one of the Joni events a few years ago. He's co-author of the text book they're using which is called "Rockin' Out." They will be studying a bunch of songs going back to Tin Pan Alley and the Blues. Joni's "A case of you" is on the list they'll be listening to. As well, he was also required to take a natural science course and signed up for one called "The earth and its atmosphere." In one of the class presentations is the line, "We are stardust." As well, Matt was talking to me about the exploding stars/stardust thing and said, "We are stardust." I really wanted to sing the next few lines and tell him where that came from, but held myself in check. If it comes up again (which it may not, as he has decided he may drop that course in favour of one on human biology or genetics), I will be sure to spread the word. Right now, he's groovin' on the blues. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:03:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni-joking sons and one Joni-thing leads to another in the workplace HaHa...this is a great line and I can hear my own MfM (aka Nathan (LaFraneer)) saying it. Appreciation for Joni has to come in its own time and it's mostly nourished by life experiences. And of course, and sadly so, Joni on the radio is not like it was back when we were their ages. Getting ready to cross the country in 2 days! Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Romance In Durango" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:48:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Best Albums of the Decade NJC Since everyone loves lists.... My wife's uncle's (one of my favorite people on the planet) daughter is an intern at the Rolling Stone and her boyfriend is a music writer for them. They're currently visiting and talking about an upcoming RS feature on the best Rock/Pop albums of the decade (as it winds to a close). Rodney (my wife's uncle) commented to Christian (the RS writer) that his niece's husband (me) was pretty well-informed about popular music and Christian stated that he was interested in my thoughts on the subject...so, without a lot of prodding I skimmed the 21st century so far and came up with the following albums. I didn't think it was right to limit the list to only (1) album per artist, just like The Beatles would have several albums on anyone's "Best of the 60's" list, Joni, Stevie and others would have several on anyone's "Best of the 70's", etc. So in some cases I have multiple listings. I didn't count reissues or older music that was released this decade - but hey, you can make your own rules. Having said all that - here's my list: Ryan Adams - Gold Beck - Sea Change, Guero Coldplay - A Rush Of Blood To The Head Bruce Springsteen - The Rising Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, A Ghost Is Born The Long Winters - When I Pretend To Fall Nellie McKay - Get Away From Me The Bad Plus - These Are The Vistas The Drive-By Truckers - Decoration Day, The Dirty South Rickie Lee Jones - Evening Of My Best Day The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow Arcade Fire - Funeral Ben Folds - Rockin' The Suburbs The White Stripes - Elephant, Icky Thump Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not Amy Winehouse - Back To Black Built To Spill - You In Reverse Damien Rice - O Gomez - How We Operate The Hold Steady - Boys And Girls in America, Stay Positive Kaki King - Dreaming Of Revenge Sun Kil Moon - Ghosts Of The Great Highway My Morning Jacket - Z Nada Surf - Let Go Stephen Malkmus & The Jicks - Real Emotional Trash Todd Rundgren - Liars TV On The Radio - Dear Science Green Day - American Idiot The Heartless Bastards - Stairs And Elevators Phoenix - It's Never Been Like That, Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix John Mayer - Room For Squares The Raconteurs - Broken Boy Soldiers Sonic Youth - Rather Ripped, Sonic Nurse Grizzly Bear - Veckatimist Sufjan Stevens - Illinoise Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid Of You And I Will Beat Your A_s Bright Eyes - Cassadega Joe Henry - Tiny Voices Kings of Leon - Youth & Young Manhood, Only By The Night Radiohead - In Rainbows Spoon - Gimme Fiction, Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga Adele - 19 Death Cab For Cutie - Transatlanticism Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes I wasn't keying in on a certain number (50 or 100 or whatever) I just listed the ones that will stand the test of time for me - and I could have listed a bunch more. Sadly, it's an NJC post. If you want to play, have at it. Bob NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "Plan B" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:56:06 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! Hi gang,Thought these were lost for 30some years but just lately found out my sister had them all along. ...circa 1966 in the dressing room of the Cellar coffeehouse in Port Huron, MI where I spent so many hours with Joni.Best Regards, Pat Boland(the last thumbnail on the bottom)http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/----"The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..."---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:31:42 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Joni-joking sons and one Joni-thing leads to another in the workplace From: "Catherine McKay" <<< Hey, PP, my daughter is a big JM (that's Jason Mraz, not Joni Mitchell) fan and she has dragged me to his concerts with her a couple of times. I've noticed the "paving over paradise" line myself, but bit my tongue. >>> I have Jason Mraz's "Waiting For My Rocket To Come," I really like it. I'm thinking it was released around 2001 or 2002 or so. To be honest it is one of those CDs that hasn't seen a lot of play time in my rotation but now that I'm thinking of it I'm going to drag it out and load it into i-Tunes today. One of these days I'm going to sit down and load everything onto i-Tunes... oh for the luxury of being able to just spend a few days doing the CDs then... who knows how long it will take for the vinyl? Hours and hours no doubt but I just think of all the music I'll rediscover. Warmly, Cassy NP: Mount Eerie - Great Ghosts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:40:03 -0400 From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! Hi Pat, These are just awesome. I am so happy they were found!!!!? Thank you for sharing them with us. Hugs, Rosie in NJ - -----Original Message----- From: P. Henry To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 1:56 pm Subject: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! Hi gang,Thought these were lost for 30some years but just lately found out my sister had them all along. ...circa 1966 in the dressing room of the Cellar coffeehouse in Port Huron, MI where I spent so many hours with Joni.Best Regards, Pat Boland(the last thumbnail on the bottom)http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/----"The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..."---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni-joking sons and one Joni-thing leads to another in the workplace now njc - --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Cassy wrote: > I have Jason Mraz's "Waiting For My Rocket To Come," > I really like it. I'm thinking it was released around > 2001 or 2002 or so. To be honest it is one of those > CDs that hasn't seen a lot of play time in my rotation but > now that I'm thinking of it I'm going to drag it out and > load it into i-Tunes today. 2002, I think. I don't mind his stuff as long as I don't have to listen to a lot of it at once. A lot of it is just too, I dunno, perky for me. Or I'm too grouchy for it. Plus he does a lot of songs with a lot of very fast lyrics, sometimes in rap or semi-rap style, and it gives me a headache hearing someone rattle out words that quickly. Scarier yet is that so many of his fans KNOW all the words and sing along with them, even at that pace. It's a bit like being at some weird religious cult gathering, where everybody's happy, happy, happy all the time. He is a very slick performer, though, and makes excellent use of multi-media, including having his own camera-person who films him while he's performing and sometimes turns the camera on the audience. As well, in smaller venues, he will take out a polaroid camera and snap pictures of his band as he introduces them and them fling them out into the audience. He (and/or his crew) really know their multi-media/interactive stuff. There is never a dull moment in his shows and his fans just love him. > One of these days I'm going to sit down and load everything > onto i-Tunes... oh for the luxury of being able to just > spend a few days doing the CDs then... who knows how long it > will take for the vinyl? Hours and hours no doubt but > I just think of all the music I'll rediscover. > > Warmly, > Cassy > > NP: Mount Eerie - Great Ghosts > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:36:29 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! Nice Pat. Thanks for sharing Paz On Sep 22, 2009, at 12:56 PM, P. Henry wrote: Hi gang,Thought these were lost for 30some years but just lately found out my sister had them all along. ...circa 1966 in the dressing room of the Cellar coffeehouse in Port Huron, MI where I spent so many hours with Joni.Best Regards, Pat Boland(the last thumbnail on the bottom)http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/---- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..."---- Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:48:00 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: 2 folk songs ? Stewart Simon said in part, >Maybe I just don't understand the distinction between folk music and other genres.> Maybe some of JMDL's industry professionals can speak to this question. I'm not an expert on folk music. I think Joni objects to the label "folk" because it can seem ultra-sincere, almost shallow, and is centered around decades-old songs. When I first started reading Rolling Stone, folk music scholars said that Bob Dylan wasn't writing "folk songs" because a folk song has to be passed from one generation to another. It has to prove its worth. So, by this yardstick, "John Henry" is a folk song but "Blowin' In The Wind" is not. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:48:22 EDT From: JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com Subject: Chuck, Joni & Me Hi, Thanks Pat, I had just Spoken to Chuck Yesterday Afternoon. Have Forwarded Him the Photos. I certainly Think he'll get a Kick out of Them. Joey, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 2 folk songs ? - --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Stewart Simon said in part, > >Maybe I just don't understand the distinction between > folk music and other > genres.> > > Maybe some of JMDL's industry professionals can speak to > this question.B I'm not an expert on folk music.B > I think Joni objects to the label "folk" because it can seem > ultra-sincere, almost shallow, and is centered around > decades-old songs.B When I first started reading > Rolling Stone, folk music scholars said that Bob Dylan > wasn't writing "folk songs" because a folk song has to be > passed from one generation to another.B It has to prove > its worth.B So, by this yardstick, "John Henry" is a > folk song but "Blowin' In The Wind" is not. > It is very hard to define and we've had this discussion before and I think everyone has a very different idea of what it is, but my idea of it corresponds pretty well to yours. Ani DiFranco refers to herself as "the little folksinger," and she defines it (at least, according to wikipedia) this way: "Folk music is not an acoustic guitar b that's not where the heart of it is. I use the word 'folk' in reference to punk music and rap music. It's an attitude, it's an awareness of one's heritage, and it's a community. It's subcorporate music that gives voice to different communities and their struggle against authority." So, there's another take on it that incorporates your definition but adds something political to it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:08:09 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: 2 folk songs ? > Stewart Simon said in part, > > >Maybe I just don't understand the distinction between > > folk music and other > > genres.> > > > Do we ever worry that we try and define things to death? The beauty of language is that it encompass all of anything in any definition, however comprehensive. For folk music, I think it is not definable... and that's ok. As Justice Potter Stweart said of pornography: * I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [hard-core pornography]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that. * - *Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184 (1964)* And that is actually good enough for me for a lot of things, including folk music. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:15:17 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: 2 folk songs ? This is an interesting conversation. I've recently been thinking about what defines the sub-genre (or whatever type of category it would be considered), singer/songwriter. Or is it singer-songwriter? What's the difference between a hyphen and a slash, and how does it effect the meaning of the word, if at all? I know this is a category that Joni also does not like being associated with. Although to me, it seems that every objection I've read from her has more to do with what she feels the word is associated with by people. This is going to be a clumsy analogy, so hang on, but it's kind of like saying, "I don't think of myself as a golf player because people think golf is slow and boring." Well yes, that's true, people do think that, but there's more to it than that. (Although I'd be hard pressed to say what since I don't care about golf.) I know it's impossible to completely nail down into simple categories something as complex and interpretive as music. But the exploration is interesting to me. - -Corey On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > > Stewart Simon said in part, > > >Maybe I just don't understand the distinction between > > folk music and other > > genres.> > > > > Maybe some of JMDL's industry professionals can speak to > > this question.B I'm not an expert on folk music.B > > I think Joni objects to the label "folk" because it can seem > > ultra-sincere, almost shallow, and is centered around > > decades-old songs.B When I first started reading > > Rolling Stone, folk music scholars said that Bob Dylan > > wasn't writing "folk songs" because a folk song has to be > > passed from one generation to another.B It has to prove > > its worth.B So, by this yardstick, "John Henry" is a > > folk song but "Blowin' In The Wind" is not. > > > > It is very hard to define and we've had this discussion before and I think > everyone has a very different idea of what it is, but my idea of it > corresponds pretty well to yours. > > Ani DiFranco refers to herself as "the little folksinger," and she defines > it (at least, according to wikipedia) this way: "Folk music is not an > acoustic guitar b that's not where the heart of it is. I use the word > 'folk' in reference to punk music and rap music. It's an attitude, it's an > awareness of one's heritage, and it's a community. It's subcorporate music > that gives voice to different communities and their struggle against > authority." > > So, there's another take on it that incorporates your definition but adds > something political to it. > - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com Mailing List - http://coreyblake.googlepages.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:23:11 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Re: 2 folk songs ? Hi Vince, I think my original question was in reaction to a comment Joni made that was published in a recent digest as follows: Joni: There also are [unreleased songs with] pretty melodies and 'tunesmithy' lyrics. I've always been called a folk singer, from the time I made my first record. I've only recorded two folk songs in my whole career, but I used to sing folk songs before I began to write, and there are [tapes] of those - and that's kind of interesting. It's a piece of the evolution that's missing from [my] records." And I was speculating as to which "2" songs she had in mind when she made this comment. According to the formal definition of a folk song (Folk songs b traditional songs without a known composer transmitted orally rather than in written form) - none really "fit" the bill. But based on the definition Catherine passed on By Ani Defranco - the possibilities seem endless. Ani DiFranco refers to herself as "the little folksinger," and she defines it (at least, according to wikipedia) this way: "Folk music is not an acoustic guitar b that's not where the heart of it is. I use the word 'folk' in reference to punk music and rap music. It's an attitude, it's an awareness of one's heritage, and it's a community. It's subcorporate music that gives voice to different communities and their struggle against authority." Vince 09/22/2009 05:08 PM To Catherine McKay cc joni@smoe.org, Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com, "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject Re: 2 folk songs ? > Stewart Simon said in part, > >Maybe I just don't understand the distinction between > folk music and other > genres.> > Do we ever worry that we try and define things to death?B The beauty of language is that it encompass all of anything in any definition, however comprehensive. For folk music, I think it is not definable... and that's ok.B As Justice Potter Stweart said of pornography: I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [hard-core pornography]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that. Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184 (1964) And that is actually good enough for me for a lot of things, including folk music. Vince - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 2 folk songs ? Agreed. We do try to define things too narrowly and put everything in a cubbyhole of some kind. And we all have different ways of defining the limits in any case. Sometimes it's best not to try. Same thing with the pornography issue - very hard to draw a line and I ain't even gonna try to open that can of worms! > > Do we ever worry that we try and define things to death? > The beauty of language is that it encompass all of anything > in any definition, however comprehensive. > > For folk music, I think it is not definable... and > that's ok. As Justice Potter Stweart said of > pornography: > > > I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of > material I > understand to be embraced within that shorthand description > [hard-core > pornography]; and perhaps I could never succeed in > intelligibly doing > so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion > picture involved in this case is not that. > Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184 > (1964)And that is actually good enough for me > for a lot of things, including folk music. > > Vince > > __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 2 folk songs ? I don't think Joni likes to be categorized at all. She doesn't like being thought of as the "greatest *woman* songwriter..." either. I don't blame her. Once you start dropping people into categories, they tend to stay there (isn't this so true of lots of things in life? Judging based on first impressions?) and Joni has covered a whole bunch of different genres, but people do seem to like their categories. P.S. I think of a singer/songwriter (or singer-songwriter) as kind of like, um, a folk singer. Heh-heh. Except they write their own stuff, or most of it. - --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Corey Blake wrote: > This is an interesting conversation. > I've recently been thinking about what > defines the sub-genre (or whatever type of category it > would be considered), > singer/songwriter. > > Or is it singer-songwriter? What's the difference between a > hyphen and a > slash, and how does it effect the meaning of the word, if > at all? > > I know this is a category that Joni also does not like > being associated > with. Although to me, it seems that every objection I've > read from her has > more to do with what she feels the word is associated with > by people. This > is going to be a clumsy analogy, so hang on, but it's kind > of like saying, > "I don't think of myself as a golf player because people > think golf is slow > and boring." Well yes, that's true, people do think that, > but there's more > to it than that. (Although I'd be hard pressed to say what > since I don't > care about golf.) > > I know it's impossible to completely nail down into simple > categories > something as complex and interpretive as music. But the > exploration is > interesting to me. > > -Corey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:00:49 -0700 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re: Roses Blue instrument I owned a hammer dulcimer and I still have to vote against this as the instrument played in this song. I can't imagine it sounding like what's on there, which to me seems most certainly stringed and strummed. I'm still guessing mandolin or balalaika - These instruments also fit with the theme of the song, which is that Rose is searching for answers through all kinds of esoteric means, some of them sounding a bit Gypsy-like or Middle-Eastern. ~Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corey Blake" To: "Joni people!" Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Roses Blue instrument > Thanks for bringing this back up, David. You reminded me there that I > thought I remembered someone mentioning that Joni didn't discover the > dulcimer until the following year. Is that true or am I misremembering > what was said? Would that eliminate the hammered dulcimer as being this > mysterious instrument? > > And any word from Joel Bernstein? > > -Corey > > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 8:47 PM, David Eoll wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was away for a bit for my 'baby' (he's 40) brother's wedding so I >> missed the development of this thread. The wedding was beautiful, btw. >> It was on a beach on Lake Michigan. Weather could not have been better. >> >> Now that the hammered dulcimer has been brought up, I think I could buy >> that. I haven't heard any in a long while, but I do have some cassette >> tapes (remember those?) of a solo hammered dulcimer player. I could dig >> those out and give them a listen and compare. Good job, folks! >> >> Peace, >> David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:27:42 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! Dear Rosie, My pleasure, chiri. Just as you have often shared with me, my treasure is your treasure. All the best, Pat - --- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - --- - -------------------------------------------- Hi Pat, These are just awesome. I am so happy they were found!!!! Thank you for sharing them with us. Hugs, Rosie in NJ - -----Original Message----- From: P. Henry To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 1:56 pm Subject: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! Hi gang,Thought these were lost for 30some years but just lately found out my sister had them all along. ...circa 1966 in the dressing room of the Cellar coffeehouse in Port Huron, MI where I spent so many hours with Joni.Best Regards, Pat Boland(the last thumbnail on the bottom)http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/----"The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..."---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:35:51 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! Pat, What a wonderful thing to have come to light again! You must have been very happy to rediscover these. Wonderful pictures. Makr in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Henry" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! > Hi > gang,Thought these were lost for 30some years but just lately found > out my > sister had them all along. ...circa 1966 in the dressing room of > the > Cellar coffeehouse in Port Huron, MI where I spent so many hours > with > Joni.Best Regards, Pat Boland(the last thumbnail on the > bottom)http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/----"The last time > I saw Joni was > Detroit in '68..."---- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:52:30 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! Hi Mark, You betcha! Especially since I thought they were so long destroyed! Also, my sister sent them to me for my birthday! Cheers, Pat - --- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - --- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Pat, > > What a wonderful thing to have come to light again! You must have > been very happy to rediscover these. Wonderful pictures. > > Makr in Seattle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P. Henry" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:56 AM > Subject: Chuck, Joni... & me!!! > > >> Hi >> gang,Thought these were lost for 30some years but just lately found >> out my >> sister had them all along. ...circa 1966 in the dressing room of >> the >> Cellar coffeehouse in Port Huron, MI where I spent so many hours >> with >> Joni.Best Regards, Pat Boland(the last thumbnail on the >> bottom)http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/----"The last time >> I saw Joni was >> Detroit in '68..."---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:43:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: jonimentionjonimention (sorry for the weird title) i couldn't sleep last night so i browsed old articles on nytimes, on a section i might never read before : real estate / chelsea. (there is no reason for me to browse new york real estate scene!) strangely, i found a little article with joni content : http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/realestate/08habi.html?_r=1 Mr. Brannan is sometimes compared to Rufus Wainwright, another openly gay young singer-songwriter. Mr. Brannan sees himself as bmore like Tracy Chapman and Joni Mitchell b I go for the sound of the angry, sad woman.b Haven't heard Jay Brannan before. And Joni, angry sad woman? Hm... Rian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:27:02 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: jonimentionjonimention (sorry for the weird title) I met Jay here in Florida at a special screening of Shortbus, along with the leads and John Cameron Mitchell. I had seen John do Hedwig in NYC. He is indeed a Joni fan and dazzlingly talented. Jerry On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Rian Afriadi wrote: > i couldn't sleep last night so i browsed old articles on nytimes, on a > section > i might never read before : real estate / chelsea. (there is no reason for > me > to browse new york real estate scene!) > > strangely, i found a little article with joni content : > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/realestate/08habi.html?_r=1 > > Mr. Brannan is sometimes compared to Rufus Wainwright, another openly > gay > young singer-songwriter. Mr. Brannan sees himself as b more like > Tracy > Chapman and Joni Mitchell b I go for the sound of the angry, sad woman.b > > > > Haven't heard Jay Brannan before. > And Joni, angry sad woman? Hm... > > > Rian > - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:19:20 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: jonimentionjonimention (sorry for the weird title) I'm thinking it was Muller who turned me onto Jay Brannan, I added him to my MySpace friends ages ago and check in on him from time to time. He has a really good cover of "Zombie" by the Cranberries up on his page currently. A song I really like anyway and his version is impressive. I will have to check out his entire covers CD which contains a fabulous version of Joni's "All I Want" and Jan Arden's "Good Mother" among others. Check him out on i-Tunes or MySpace, Rian. I tried to add him as a friend on FaceBook but was denied by a message telling me "This user already has too many friends" lol. Warmly, Cassy Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rian Afriadi" To: "jonipeople" Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: jonimentionjonimention (sorry for the weird title) >i couldn't sleep last night so i browsed old articles on nytimes, on a >section > i might never read before : real estate / chelsea. (there is no reason for > me > to browse new york real estate scene!) > > strangely, i found a little article with joni content : > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/realestate/08habi.html?_r=1 > > Mr. Brannan is sometimes compared to Rufus Wainwright, another openly > gay > young singer-songwriter. Mr. Brannan sees himself as bmore like > Tracy > Chapman and Joni Mitchell b I go for the sound of the angry, sad woman.b > > > > Haven't heard Jay Brannan before. > And Joni, angry sad woman? Hm... > > > Rian ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #282 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------