From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #272 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 13 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 272 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Clouds credits ["Jill Haas" ] In France They Can't Kiss on Main Street???? [Patti Parlette Subject: Re: Clouds credits Corey, In my humble opinion, I think it's a mandolin or a balalaika on Roses Blue, due to the strumming style, but yet it still could be a giitar played on the higher frets with that same strumming style more typical of mandolin, etc. On Chelsea morning, I think it's a guitiar in a tuning in which Joni could play barr chords very high up buth then move to lower frets for the rest - I don't hear two instruments in this one. But don't listen to me. I'm in the freshman class on this list of PhD.s....! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corey Blake" To: "JMDL LIST" Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Clouds credits > It sounds like a guitar capo's very high on Chelsea Morning or Roses > Blue? > > Thanks Jill! > > > On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Jill Haas wrote: > >> Sounds to me like a guitar capo'd up very very high. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" >> > > >> To: "'Corey Blake'" ; >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:08 PM >> Subject: RE: Clouds credits >> >> >>> Maybe it's a banshee. (Whatever that is.) See credits on STAS. >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Corey Blake >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:49 PM >>>> To: joni@smoe.org >>>> Subject: Re: Clouds credits >>>> Thank you David, Catherine and Bob for your responses! I really >>>> appreciate >>>> it. >>>> For "Chelsea Morning," the more I think about it, the more I agree >>>> that >>>> it's >>>> probably her strumming* just the high strings (bottom three strings) >>>> with >>>> the alt tuning. >>>> I would still love to know what she's playing on "Roses Blue". David, >>>> I >>>> agree it sounds like an Eastern stringed instrument of some kind, and >>>> I >>>> assume it's her that's playing it as well. >>>> Would love to hear if anyone else had any thoughts. >>>> -Corey >>>> *Strumming. More like hitting, really. I've always admired the >>>> confidence of >>>> her attacks when playing guitar. >>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:25 PM, David Eoll wrote: >>>> > From: Corey Blake >>>> >> Subject: Clouds credits >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > I love knowing these little details about albums - who plays >>>> what on >>>> each >>>> >> song. What can I say? I'm odd. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > Actually, around here, that counts as normal. >>>> > >>>> > Cheers, >>>> > David >>>> > >>>> -- >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me >>>> Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com >>>> Mailing List - http://coreyblake.googlepages.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:17:35 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: In France They Can't Kiss on Main Street???? Bon weekend, Joniami(e)s! No REAL (newsbreaking) Joni Content here...just putting some Joni flowers round the room and throwing the lightness on these things, so don't day I didn't warn ya! ; ) A few days ago I received a Joni challenge from an anonymous and kind JMDLER. Voila: Patti, this story is perfect for you, I'd love to hear your take for the JMDL. Due to fear of spreading the H1N1 virus, French officials are urging citizens not to kiss during public greetings, known as 'la bise'. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/07/swine-flu-fears-force-fra_n_278789.h tml *********** So now, it being Saturday and having a bit of time on my hands, I shall do my best. Let's start out with the tiny url, for Herr Muller (nobody's harder on me than him...LOL!): http://tinyurl.com/nu9r68 "Swine Flu Fears Force France to Say 'Au Revoir" to Kissing Custom Sitting in park in Paris. France, reading the news and it sure looks bad, they won't give bises a chance! (Bises is pronounced "beeze"...rhymes with peace.) You just have to laugh, cuz it's all so crazy. The French will NEVER give up their bises! Jamais! Believe me. I brought this up at a French Peoples Party the other night and everyone just pooh-poohed it. The French kiss, and that's that. They like roses, and kisses, and pretty men. They'd even kiss a sunset pig. And they have got a thing that's unique and new. To prove, I'll have the last laugh on you, cuz instead of ONE kiss, they give TWO. Does the Health Ministry really think that the swine flu will slaughter half of France? Kisses like bright flags, hung on holidays. Amour, mama, not swine flu danger! (You have to pronounce "danger" as "donjay"...."don" as in "Don Juan's Reckless Daugher, vous savez.) And now, quelle synchronicite, I am racing away to -- oui, oui! -- another French Peoples Party. A reunion of the 1969-1970 (bonne annees!) Study Abroad in France group from UConn. They are gathering to reminisce, and also to celebrate the 90th birthday of their professor/director, M. Barberet. Ninety years old, just like Pete Seeger! He was my favorite professor when I was a student there. He taught me the deeeEEEeeeper meaning of Proust, and Rousseau walking on trumpet paths. I won't know these alumni (my group was 1974-1975, circa MOA), just a few profs. I'm really just going to represent my department and honor M. B. I guess I'll have to put a rose in my teeth and wear a lampshade crown to get some attention. Or maybe I'll just sit in a corner like poor Eddie, thinking I'm nobody. All the people at this party will have a lot of style, I'm sure. They've got stamps of many countries, and many are quite accomplished. One was Pres. of the Julliard School of Music, I think, and there are some attorneys and superintendents and even a state supreme court justice from across the state borderline. Oh babies, I don't know it if I can make it with them, socially. But I, in my leather and lace, I can never become that kind... I'll bet that everyone, though, will be laughing and crying at all of the hope and the hopelessness we've witnessed forty years. If we had our way we'd just walk through doors and wander, down the Champs Elysee, going cafe to cabaret.... STOP! How do you STOP? I don't hurry up and shower off the dust, it will be very late when I walk in as they are all sitting in the lounge of the Nathan Hale hotel, drinking for diversion. A little money riding on the UConn Huskeeees (big game today against Muller's Tarheels...they've got beach tar on their feet, I guess)...along comes a lady in lacy sleeves! I just hope I don't go up to some coyote and say: "You better sit down, you know drinking alone's is a shame." Gotta keep my Joni mouth shut! M.B. confided to me that's he worried (he worries sometimes) that he won't recognize these 60 year-old faces. Darn right. They probably look haggard in the bathroom lights. They won't match their passports smiles from the old days, birth of rock and roll days. So this I told him: But in France they say Every day puts on a new face Every day puts on a new face Love has many faces Many, many faces. Amour et bises, Patti-Boo (that's what some French people call me) "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:09:20 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Roses Blue mystery instrument still a mystery? Y'know I'm a bit disappointed in us. I don't feel like we got to the bottom of Corey's question about Roses Blue. And now its kind of eating at me. I still think we were on the right track with it being a stringed instrument of some sort. I really don't think its a guitar. I capoed my Martin up as high as I could and I just am not hearing the same tone as what is on the song. I suppose it could be a mandolin but I think the instrument in the song has a distinctly Eastern flavor, or at the very least European. I listened to several youtube vids of bouzouki and balalaika players, and my money would be on balalaika if I had to place a bet right now. But, who knows for sure? Are there other similar instruments I should check out? Are there any books or interviews anyone knows of where Joni talks about the recording of Clouds? The rest of the album is so straight up guitar and vocals (as Corey points out) that one would think that this oddball arrangement for Roses Blue would get some mention somewhere. Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:48:05 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: Roses Blue mystery instrument still a mystery? Thank you so much for keeping this alive David! I don't know if this is any help, but I notice on the credits/liner notes for the album, it says "Special thanks to Michael Vossi and Elliott Roberts". Elliot Roberts was Joni's manager at the time. But what about Michael Vossi. Do we know who he is? Maybe he played the mystery instrument on "Roses Blue"? To complicate things, both AllMusic.com and Wikipedia have the musician credits for Clouds as the following: Joni Mitchell: guitar, keyboards, vocals, cover art Stephen Stills: bass, guitar It seems to me, though, that this is just duplicating the musician credits from Songs To A Seagull, since I don't hear any keyboards or bass on the album. I agree it seems strange that there isn't something that talks about the production of Clouds. I checked the Joni Mitchel Library search engine for "Roses Blue" on JoniMitchell.com but nothing seemed to come up. - -Corey On Sep 12, 2009, at 8:09 PM, David Eoll wrote: > Y'know I'm a bit disappointed in us. I don't feel like we got to > the bottom of Corey's question about Roses Blue. And now its kind > of eating at me. > > I still think we were on the right track with it being a stringed > instrument of some sort. I really don't think its a guitar. I > capoed my Martin up as high as I could and I just am not hearing the > same tone as what is on the song. I suppose it could be a mandolin > but I think the instrument in the song has a distinctly Eastern > flavor, or at the very least European. I listened to several > youtube vids of bouzouki and balalaika players, and my money would > be on balalaika if I had to place a bet right now. But, who knows > for sure? Are there other similar instruments I should check out? > > Are there any books or interviews anyone knows of where Joni talks > about the recording of Clouds? The rest of the album is so straight > up guitar and vocals (as Corey points out) that one would think that > this oddball arrangement for Roses Blue would get some mention > somewhere. > > Peace, > David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #272 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------