From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #228 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 31 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 228 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: NJC, In some studio sits a poet [Laura Stanley ] Re: Health Care Op Ed - NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Desert Island Joni [Paul Castle ] Re: NJC Hitting Boston.. [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Health Care Op Ed - NJC [waytoblue@comcast.net] Richard Metzger love Joni [Mike and Patti Haskins ] now sjc? In some studio sits a poet... [Patti Parlette ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: NJC, In some studio sits a poet Patti posted: William Shatner's marvelous poetic adaptation of Sarah Palin's farewell speech: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/28/shatner_palin/index.html Dimwit. xo, pp Hi P, Thanks; that was deLIGHTful!!! In my finest Sarah speak I must say, the Northern Star is dim when used in the wit of poets who Palin comparison to Joni. Love,Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:34:08 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Health Care Op Ed - NJC An interesting perspective. To our Canadian list members, please keep up the discussion. It is quite an illuminating contrast to the right wing propoganda we are deluged with here. Andri Picard Montreal  From Thursday's Globe and Mail Last updated on Thursday, Jul. 30, 2009 07:23AM EDT Shona Holmes has become a central figure in the bitter debate about U.S. health-care reform. The Waterdown, Ont., woman is featured in a TV ad telling her tale of horror  how she had a life-threatening brain tumour but would have had to wait months for treatment. So Ms. Holmes remortgaged her home and flew to the Mayo Clinic in Arizona for treatment, paying $97,000 cash for her care. Now, Washington wants to bring Canadian-style health care to the U.S., the narrator says gravely in the ad, paid for by Patients United Now, an offshoot of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, a conservative group that promotes less government and lower taxes. Ms. Holmes has also recounted her nightmare story in countless media interviews, warning that free Canadian health care comes at a heavy price  lack of access  and lamenting her inability to buy private insurance to get quicker care. My agenda, if I have one, is to tell them [Americans], be careful what you wish for, Ms. Holmes told The Washington Times. Discussions surrounding the provision of health care always elicit strong emotions and outbursts of rhetoric, and Ms. Holmes's case is no exception. She is, of course, entitled to bash medicare and promote the idea of private health-care insurance both at home and abroad. That is the beauty of free speech. (And, to be fair, Ms. Holmes has always praised the quality of care in Canada; her issue is access and timeliness.) But a few important details are missing from the commercial version of this socialized-medicine-kills tale. Ms. Holmes did not have a deadly brain tumour, she had a benign Rathkes cleft cyst. Yes, she had vision loss, but it was temporary and reversible. This is not to suggest what she went through was not awful and frightening, but it was not life-threatening. Initially, Ms. Holmes said she had a six-month wait to see a specialist. Later, she amended that to three months. Canadian hospitals and physicians won't say how long the wait was nor comment on the gravity of her condition because of privacy rules. For the sake of argument, let's acknowledge that the wait to see specialists like neurologists can be long. It's a problem that needs to be fixed, and the situation is already better now than it was in 2005, when Ms. Holmes had her health problems. The reality is that, in Canada, we ration care. Under our state-financed insurance program, we try to provide universal care efficiently and cost-effectively. We make choices. Getting the balance perfectly right is difficult. The United States, by contrast, has over-capacity. That is one of the principal reasons that, per capita, care costs about 50 per cent more there than in Canada. Money buys you access, and lack of money denies you care. In Canada, we have a not-always-happy medium: Universal access with sometimes frustrating waits. So what happens when a patient feels they are waiting too long for care? Ms. Holmes had a gut feeling that her life was in danger and made a radical choice to pay out-of-pocket for immediate care in the United States rather than wait for free (read: tax-financed) care in Canada. Now, she wants to be reimbursed by the Ontario Health Insurance Program. She is also a party to a lawsuit against the Ontario government arguing that a government-run monopolistic health system that prohibits the sale of private insurance for medically necessary care is unconstitutional. (The case, very similar to the Chaoulli case in Quebec, is backed by the Canadian Constitution Foundation. It is still before the courts.) There are complex legal issues here and competing rights that the court will need to balance. But what insurance program, private or public, would ever allow clients to determine their own treatment and reimburse them without question? In the discussion flowing from Ms. Holmes's ad, it has been noted often that some 45 million Americans do not have health insurance. For them, the right to buy private insurance is moot because they cannot afford it and the Canadian-style system looks pretty appealing. But that is largely beside the point here. Ms. Holmes is insured  albeit by a state-financed plan. The question is: Can insurers (and providers) delay and deny care, and can they limit and deny coverage? Of course they can, and they do so all the time. In the United States, health insurance is expensive and it is often tied to employment. Even those with good insurance see their claims denied because of pre-existing medical conditions, insurers' attempts to hold down medical losses (the industry term for paying for care), and caps on total payouts. Ironically, for all her lauding of private insurance, someone like Ms. Holmes would find it virtually impossible to buy insurance, given her medical history. The infamous ad claims that Canadians have long waits and are denied all manner of care because the government says patients aren't worth it. On the contrary, medicare  universal state-financed health insurance  means everyone is worthy of care and entitled to care. If nothing else, Ms. Holmes' foray into the U.S. health-care debate should remind us of how medicare, despite some shortcomings, is worth it. Americans can only dream of having such a system to bemoan. - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:41:59 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Health Care Op Ed - NJC Second to that, and also Euro-JMDler's and their experiences. Gee, the right-wing playing the FEAR card - imagine that. You'd think they'd have at least ONE other trick up their sleeve. And you can bet that an insurance company is propping up that organization as well. I will note though that Americans need to better manage their own health and take better care of themselves as opposed to doing/consuming whatever they like and then plopping themselves on some Doctor's door looking for a magic pill or operation. That part of 'health care' seems to always be absent from the discussion. Bob NP: The Who, "Won't Get Fooled Again" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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You can >"upload MP3s/AACs or select tracks from the 8tracks library to craft a playlist, add context with description and art, and publish your mix on 8tracks.com and a personal webpage."> To comply with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act they set certain stipulations - - -- No more than 2 tracks by the same artist or from the same album. - -- Listeners cannot see all of the songs included within a playlist at the outset and then fast-forward or rewind to songs of interest - -- DJ's are only allowed to list the names of 3 of the featured artists in their description of the mix - -- 8track's license requires randomized playback the 2nd time a person listens to your mix. Just had a go at putting together a "Desert Island Joni" mix - found it really really hard having to limit it to just two songs by Joni herself and then to narrow it down to just six favourite covers - (but it does allow me to go back and change any of the tracks should I wish to) listen @ http://8tracks.com/studio16a/desert-island-joni I can (legally) tell you that, in addition to Joni herself, the mix includes two wonderful covers I only discovered very recently - by Angus Stone and by Alicia Wiley - which I found in a "Cover Lay Down" blog post which includes 17 Joni covers - see http://bit.ly/3tulH8 - pretty sure Bob's got them all! very best to all PaulC (who gets his buss pass on Saturday - gulp!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Hitting Boston.. Ah, I just checked mapquest and found out that city is about 2 hours away from Boston. That is a bit far in my eyes. However, I met Jenny Goodspeed at a Jonifest and I have to say in addition to being a really nice, genuine person she is a real talent. If Greenfield was closer, there'd be no question I'd check it out. - -Mon - --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: I don't know if Greenfield, MA is close to Boston or not, but on the 13th, Jenny Goodspeed with be at Energy Park. She's part of the "Thursday Night Coop Concert" series. http://www.coopconcerts.org/events.html In addition to being a fine talent, Jenny's a JMDLer. Well worth looking into. http://www.jennygoodspeed.com/gigs.html Jim L'Hommedieu Dayton, OH Monika Bogdanowicz said, in part, > I will be on vacation in Boston for my annual trip with my brother and sister from August 7th-13th.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:03:10 +0000 (UTC) From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Health Care Op Ed - NJC Exactly! B One of April's best friends is a physical therapist specializing in rehabilitation, and he'll be consulting with people about their health, they talk about all these physical ailments/problems they have yet they don't think it important to mention that they regularly eat at McDonalds, live on mostly fried food, smoke, etc... I've been eating a 75% raw vegan diet (my girlfriend is a raw foodist) and I feel SO much healthier, have lost a lot of weight and I'm so much the better for it. I cut meat out of my diet completely (except for occasional seafood) and surprisingly don't really even miss it that much. If so many Americans weren't gorging down red meat all the time (it's really apparent what a meat based culture this is) then perhaps it wouldn't be such a fat nation. And yes, some people think it's a bit strange, out of the box, the raw food diet, but if you really think about it, it's completely natural. Just because something is deeply imbedded in culture, advertising and everyone else is doing doesn't mean it's good for you. I agree wholeheartedly, people need to take more responsibility for their own health and lifestyle. Victor Victor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" I will note though that Americans need to better manage their own health and take better care of themselves as opposed to doing/consuming whatever they like and then plopping themselves on some Doctor's door looking for a magic pill or operation. That part of 'health care' seems to always be absent from the discussion. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: Richard Metzger love Joni http://www.dangerousminds.net/index.php/site/comments/little_heard_joni_mitchell_performance/ Patti Haskins ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:49:48 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: now sjc? In some studio sits a poet... Glad you liked it, Laura! I've been showing it/sharing it all over town and it's such hit, especially with our language and literature teachers and students. "Palin comparison to Joni"....LOL! Took me three reads to get it, but I finally did. NO ONE compares to Joni, esp. this dimwit who said in her speech that it is possible to be pro-development and pro-environment. I think Joni would disagree. I also think that SP would shoot Joni's bear if she had a chance! "We eat, therefore we hunt." Argh! Did you notice the BIG fiddle, and the drum? I sure do fear the beating of HER drum! And so once again Oh, America my friend And so once again You are fighting us all And when we ask you why You raise your sticks and cry and we fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say we have turned Like the enemies you've earned But we can remember All the good things you are And so we ask you please Can we help you find the peace and the star Oh my friend We have all come To fear the beating of your drum The peace and the star, Patti P. William Shatner's marvelous poetic adaptationof Sarah Palin's farewell speech:http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/28/shatner_palin/index. htmlDimwit. Hi P, Thanks; that was deLIGHTful!!! In my finest Sarah speak I must say, the Northern Star is dim when used in the wit of poets who Palin comparison to Joni. Love,Laura _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL _QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:07:09 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni wrote the song the whole world sings! I got this message from Amazon today, and it struck me, like lightning from above, encore une fois. Joni wrote these words, and here they are using them in their sales pitches and songs from the hit parade of Woodstock books. JONI RULES! xo, pp Dear Amazon.com Customer, As someone who has purchased books on music and the '60s from Amazon.com, celebrate the 40th anniversary of those three muddy days on Max Yasgur's farm in upstate New York with our lists of books on the Woodstock festival, the culture of music and the '60s, and the performers who made history. Woodstock: Get Yourselves Back to the Garden "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TXT_ML OGEN_Local_Local_Restaurants_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Desert Island Joni Yep, I do have all of them - and the two you mention are both excellent. I put the Angus Young track on my latest Sweet 16 disc for Lucyfest. And a host of new covers - just around the corner! Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Toledo" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #228 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------