From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #227 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 30 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 227 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- [none] ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] Re: Joni - A Tribute To The Legendary Joni Mitchell [Melissa Gibbs ] Re: Girls like us, Jonifest, and stuff SJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] NJC, Health care reform, short-sighted congressmen, and....Abba? [Patti ] Re: NJC, Health care reform, short-sighted congressmen, and....Abba? [B] Re: Girls like us, Jonifest, and stuff SJC [Alison E ] NJC Hitting Boston.. ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] San Francisco Performances of "Paved Paradise Redux: The Art of Joni Mitchell" [Robbi Kearns ] RE: Canadian perspective on universal health care (soooo NJC) ["Rob Arge] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:05:27 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: [none] NJC Dear All, RE Debate on Universal Healthcare. In the UK it is a matter of days between seeing a doctor about suspected cancer and having tests. In effect, only non life threatening conditions have serious waiting lists (piles, varicose veins etc - This sort of elective surgery is the major private sector activity). Obviously it is expensive, but because it is compulsory for every wage or profit earner to contribute through Taxes to our National Health Service, you don't really notice it. Therefore the costs per person are much less, no-one is turned away from treatment (unless they are violent), and no-one is bankrupted by medical bills. The pros out way the cons John Stay safe online with 50% off Norton Security 2009 - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:25:00 +1000 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: Joni - A Tribute To The Legendary Joni Mitchell Hi Mark I9m a starter for sure. I have two others and perhaps a third who will also be attending with me. I need to confirm the third and when I do, I9ll but the tickets. I went on the website last night and it appears there are still plenty of tickets left. I9m really looking forward to it. Can9t wait! Melissa in Sydney NP: Artists Only, Talking Heads ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Canadian perspective on universal health care (soooo NJC) Now here's a topic that exemplifies the expression the personal is political. Ive avoided writing about this one because it's not easy to talk about an entire system without getting twisted into knots. As Catherine said, the way healthcare works in this country is complex. I have lived in three provinces now, and while there are flaws, I have had some very good experiences. The wait times in the ER here are frustrating. Absolutely. It depends on which hospital you go to. We live near one of the best, and have had many good outcomes.. My experience with my family doc is excellent, as is the clinic where she works. Sure, I have my not so great stories to tell, and yet. I'm grateful, because I can up to the reception desk, flash my health card, knowing that at the very least, I will be taken care of without having to carry a wad of money to do so. And the folks who live in the back lane can do the same. Mags - --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Catherine McKay wrote: From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Canadian perspective on universal health care (soooo NJC) To: evian@sasktel.net, "Laura Stanley" Cc: joni@smoe.org Received: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 2:17 PM The whole thing differs depending on where you are. Maybe it's because Rob lives in a smaller city. I think it also depends on how on top of things your family doctor is and/or what kinds of connections they have. My ex-husband had a colonoscopy done and didn't have to wait long - maybe a couple of weeks. This wasn't urgent. My sister had a hip replaced a couple of years ago. I've heard horror stories about how long some people have to wait for this, but she didn't have to wait long at all. It might have been a couple of months from the time she saw the family doctor about it, got a referral to a specialist and then had the surgery done. It might have been a bit of luck, as she chose to have the surgery done in the summer. A lot of people will put off non-emergency surgery over the summer because they don't want to spend their summer recuperating from something. As well, we live in a big city and our doctor (she and I have the same one) seems very good at connecting you with specialists. Then again, they are tracking wait times for certain things now and joint replacement is one of the things they're tracking - first, tracking how long it takes at every hospital for this type of thing and then aiming for a target time within which they think it should be done. Of course if it's emergency, it's done right away. Sometimes a delay in non-emergency surgery is caused by an emergency taking precedence. Evian is right though. There are things very wrong with health care here, and every province runs its own health-care system, so things are different in each province, but there are themes across the country. Wait times is a big issue. Bed closures is another. I lay it at the feet of politicians who can't think past the next election. They promise people their government will cut taxes. If you cut taxes, you've either got to change the way you do things or cut back on services. Generally speaking, inertia rules and services are cut. Changing the way we do things takes longer. So, governments tell hospitals to stay within budget and this time we're not going to bail you out. Hospitals react by shutting beds or services and/or laying off nurses. We cut back on medical school spaces and guess what? Now we have a shortage of family docs, especially in rural areas. And the current crop of docs is retiring. So, as Evian says, we steal them from other countries. So now we realize, jeez, who'd have guessed? we need more docs. How fast can we train them? What do we do in the meantime? We encourage the use of other health professionals - nurses, nurse practitioners, doing something about letting the graduates of foreign medical schools who immigrated here and are driving taxis, practice something like medicine by upgrading their skills or whatever. It is still better than having platinum service for one group (the rich) and none for another (the poor) and letting the working people who either have no insurance or very little go broke if something catastrophic happens. The whole thing is very complex. - --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Laura Stanley wrote: > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Re: Canadian perspective on universal health care (soooo NJC) > To: evian@sasktel.net > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Received: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 12:48 PM > Rob wrote: > ....For example, I have an inlaw who is 58 years old, with > a family history of > colon cancer, and who wanted a routine colonoscopy done > (he's never had one). > He's on an 18 month waiting list, even though they > supposedly recommend having > the procedure done at 50, or even before if you have a > family history. Or > there is a > friend of ours who is 39, a mother of 6, who was just > diagnosed with thydoid > cancer. She's on a wai ting list in Alberta to see a > surgeon. Until then, she > has no idea if the cancer has spread, or what she's dealing > with. > > > > Hi Rob, > Why did your relative wait until he is 58 > to get on the list for a > colonoscopy? If he had requested to be on the list > when he turned 50, he > could have had it done already. > The diagnosis of cancer might seem like > one needs treatment asap, but the > fact is for some slow growing cancers like thyroid in > individuals under 65 > years old, survival rate doesn't increase if the cancer is > treated promptly. > Thyroid cancer is not a medical emergency. The > survival rate is very good. > Please, tell her. > In addition to what you say, I have heard > there are problems with the > Canadian Healthcare System from a dear friend who is French > Canadian and is a > physician. Hopefully, the USA can learn from these > and not repeat them. > In my opinion what is worse than a failed attempt is > no attempted at all > because of fear and lack of research. And, although > waiting for medical care > is not good, it is better than no foreseeable help like > some people experience > here without health insurance. > Love,Laura > __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Joni - A Tribute To The Legendary Joni Mitchell my friend that moved to Sydney over 30 years ago will be going to the Tribute concert. I wrote to him about it, having read it here, Mark. Thank you again for making that connection. and just a little bit of Joni related news on the home front. There is a wonderful 15 year old in my life who loves music of all kinds (understatement) . Anyway, he's been doing research on Joni ever since we met, because I love her music so much. This past weekend, he gave me a copy of Hejira on vinyl. He's also given me the cassette tape and has set them both up, leaning against the wall on the cupboard over here in the living room. He went online and found a quiz pertaining to Joni Mitchell and he was gushing with pride as he got 96% . The cool thing is that he gets her, and wants to learn more. Just a sweet kid who's heart is in a good place. Too cute for words, him. Lucky me. Mags - --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Melissa Gibbs wrote: From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: Joni - A Tribute To The Legendary Joni Mitchell To: joni@smoe.org Received: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 4:25 AM Hi Mark I9m a starter for sure. I have two others and perhaps a third who will also be attending with me. I need to confirm the third and when I do, I9ll but the tickets. I went on the website last night and it appears there are still plenty of tickets left. I9m really looking forward to it. Can9t wait! Melissa in Sydney NP: Artists Only, Talking Heads __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:51:08 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Re: NJC Hitting Boston.. Hi Monika, Definitely take a duck tour which is basically an open aired 90 minute bus tour of Boston (similar to a San Francisco Cable car) that goes all over Boston including Newbury Street, Quincy Market (Faneiul Hall) , the Prudential Tower, Bunker Hill, Boston Commons, etc........then the bus morphs into a boat and you cruise Boston harbor where you get a really nice view of Boston and Cambridge. from that "Dirty Water" in the Charles River. Very Cool time...... Have fun.... - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:13:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: New Book w/ JONI Chapter (The Rock Cries Out) Simon posted: http://tinyurl.com/l4r3fv Hi Simon and Joni Loves, Wow... that was excellent!!! There are some really thought provoking statements in this chapter, a powerful illustration of how Joni exposes the sinfulness of Christianity through her songs. At the same time, the chapter reveals how Joni has a deep respect for the principles Christianity is meant to uphold. This chapter points out an integrated theme of her songs with an expertise I haven't read elsewhere. The author is an excellent writer. Joni's idea that the 60's failed moves me again. Why did it fail? I went to a dynamite cabaret about Janis Joplin this past weekend. To me, Janis' sad, lonely, and tragic life is an example of how the 60's failed. She was a kid seeking self expression that came at quite a cost to her and her family. We are left with her color and her music, but she and those in the drug culture had a disregard for themselves and each other that lead to unhappiness and eventual demise. The killer of a hedonistic society is the god of self which is at the heart of addiction. Unlike Janis, Joni survived the 60's and now lives to tell us they failed. I wonder if Joni will ever again envision us getting back to the garden? We know we aren't there and our previous attempts have failed. Is humanity doomed to be outside the garden forever? Children still come out to wonder... Big THANKS Simon! Love,Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Girls like us, Jonifest, and stuff SJC Hey guys! Checking in to say hi, how are you, and what's the deal with the SOCal Jonifest? I haven't been thoroughly reading the digests, I just saw a mention that Jimmy was going, so now I'm not going for sure. LOL. It probably wouldn't be a good idea anyway, as I am pregnant again, yes, again, and due in late December. So there's that news. Amelia is good and growing and hilarious, and needs a sibling. So here I go again. Anyway...I just finished reading "Girls LIke Us" and found it a rather mixed experience...I know that a lot of you read it, and many of you posted on it, I went back and read some of the archive. Though I am not a big fan of Carole KIng, I do love Tapestry and many of her songs, and I really respect her. It's fascinating to learn so much about her and how her world intertwined with Joni's. The Carly parts, well, I'm reading them because I can't read part of a book, but I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would care. Sorry. I just don't see it. But the Joni parts, wow. Really fascinating. I find the book to be sort of a messy mishmash of hearsay and gossip, and rehashed information from other sources, but I think its interesting how its put together. I hope you are all well... Alison E. in SLC np: wfuv (still streaming, always streaming...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:02:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Girls like us, Jonifest, and stuff SJC Ali, Congrats on baby #2, fertile Myrtle that you are. Now you are entering the realms of being a SERIOUS parent. I read the Joni bits in GLU way back when and found them fascinating. Started re-reading the book when I was at the beach over the 4th of July, reading it all the way through this time. I'm about 1/2 way through and am enjoying it, except when Weller goes way way way off into minute trivia that seems miles away from the narrative. As a trivia nut, I find some of that interesting but sometimes it comes off as being a bit snide. I REALLY like the Joni sections, especially the Joni-Chuck years which I feel have been misrepresented over the years for the most part. And I will say that most of my preconceived notions about Carly were pretty much dead wrong. Being born into wealth didn't give her much of a leg up into the business, she had a pretty tough time coming up and wasn't handed much of anything. I still don't put her in Joni or Carole's class as a composer/songwriter though. Bob, wishing there were more hours in the day NP: Paul Simon, "Born At The Right Time" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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"Obama's Health Care Struggle: Waterloo or Water Down? - -- Bill Moyers and Michael Winship ....The Republicans have more than health care reform in their bombsights - they want a loss for Obama so crushing it will bring the administration to its knees and restore GOP control of Congress after next year's elections. In the words of Republican Senator Jim DeMint, "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him." The "Waterloo" of DeMint's metaphor, of course, is not the 1974 Abba hit..... " Here's the whole thing: http://www.truthout.org/072509A Senator Jim DeMint. What vision. What a man. His only channeled aspiration is to break Obama? What about As Simon wrote: "let's see ... 1. PROMOTE the General Welfare ? 2. SECURE the Blessings of Liberty ... ?" BM, you gotta get rid of this guy! (Ha. I know, and Christ ya know, it ain't easy. I shook my fists at Lieberman and roared like forest fire for Lamont, all for naught. But still, you've got try. If you're feeling contempt, well then you tell it, right?) "Politicians sit yourself down There's *something* for you here... We can change the world Rearrange the world It's dying to get better." xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:55:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC, Health care reform, short-sighted congressmen, and....Abba? Oh, but if only I could...how lucky am I to have Mark "coochie-coochie" Sanford for a Governor and Jim "Paperweight" DeMint for a Senator? Sheesh. When Mrs SCJoniguy was a math teacher, DeMint's kids went to her school and Jimmy boy made appearances there demanding special placements and favors for his kids. He was and is a total dick. Meanwhile, Sanfordnication wrote a long letter to the newspapers, quoting the bible and mentioning god 4-5 times before announcing that he's going to Europe with his family for 2 weeks to try and forget about his South American soul mate. This was after working about 10 days of the previous 30. The good news (hopefully) is that most South Carolinians that I talk to and read are sick of being sold up the river of false promises and the reality of 15% unemployment and the worst schools in the country are starting to hit home. Many are going totally anti-incumbent. Time will tell. 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" Alison E. in SLC ps: i'll never be a "serious" parent! np: talk of the nation ________________________________ From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Aliso I read the Joni bits in GLU way back when and found them fascinating. Started re-reading the book when I was at the beach over the 4th of July, reading it all the way through this time. I'm about 1/2 way through and am enjoying it, except when Weller goes way way way off into minute trivia that seems miles away from the narrative. As a trivia nut, I find some of that interesting but sometimes it comes off as being a bit snide. I REALLY like the Joni sections, especially the Joni-Chuck years which I feel have been misrepresented over the years for the most part. And I will say that most of my preconceived notions about Carly were pretty much dead wrong. Being born into wealth didn't give her much of a leg up into the business, she had a pretty tough time coming up and wasn't handed much of anything. I still don't put her in Joni or Carole's class as a composer/songwriter though. Bob, wishing there were more hours in the day NP: Paul Simon, "Born At The Right Time" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:00:44 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC Hitting Boston.. I don't know if Greenfield, MA is close to Boston or not, but on the 13th, Jenny Goodspeed with be at Energy Park. She's part of the "Thursday Night Coop Concert" series. http://www.coopconcerts.org/events.html In addition to being a fine talent, Jenny's a JMDLer. Well worth looking into. http://www.jennygoodspeed.com/gigs.html Jim L'Hommedieu Dayton, OH Monika Bogdanowicz said, in part, >I will be on vacation in Boston for my annual trip with my brother and sister from August 7th-13th.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:45:17 -0400 From: Robbi Kearns Subject: San Francisco Performances of "Paved Paradise Redux: The Art of Joni Mitchell" Hi All - I wanted to send a reminder that John Kelly will be performing "Paved Paradise Redux: The Art of Joni Mitchell". Performances will be at the Rrazz Room at Hotel Nikko in San Francisco Thursday July 30 through Sunday August 2nd at 9pm. If you do not live in the Bay Area but know Joni fans that do, please spread the word. Tickets can be purchased at 866-468-3399 or online at http://www.ticketweb.com/snl/Search.action?query=rrazz+john+kelly&x=0&y=0 Best, Robbi - ------------------ After an eight-year absence, two-time Obie Award winning artist John Kelly once again inhabits the persona of Joni Mitchell in an entirely new evening of songs and stories. Conceived and performed by John Kelly, produced by TWEED TheaterWorks in association with Robbi Kearns, and directed by Kevin Malony, PAVED PARADISE REDUX: The Art of Joni Mitchell runs July 30 - August 2nd at the Rrazz Room, San Fran. In PAVED PARADISE REDUX: The Art of Joni Mitchell, John Kellys performance is a musical and visual homage to the great Canadian singer/songwriter. His countertenor uncannily evokes Mitchell's own smoky soprano as he sings songs from the various stages of her career in their original key. He also plays dulcimer and replicates Mitchells guitar style by way of her signature open tunings. Kelly is accompanied on keyboard by musical director Zecca Esquibel. - ------------------ Review by Patrick Leader of JoniMitchell.com of 2009 New York Performance: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2081 "It ranks as one of the most honest, tender and inherently theatrical moments of the year." - NY Post It is an homage that transcends -- Daily News Theres drag and then theres transformation through spiritual osmosis, and thats what John Kelly accomplishes with this tribute... Magnificent. -- New York Times Sounds like pure camp on paper, but when the willowy Kelly sings Mitchells songs, his haunting, crystalline countertenor is somewhere between male and female, human and angel.-- New York Magazine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:23:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Girls like us, Jonifest, and stuff SJC Where yat AlisonE? WoW we thought you had been eaten by Accchmed? Pregnant again??? Damn who knew Scott would get lucky twice? I guess even a blind hawg... Congrats darlin! Wish you could come to the fest anyways and sing with me. Luv Paz On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Alison E wrote: Hey guys! Checking in to say hi, how are you, and what's the deal with the SOCal Jonifest? I haven't been thoroughly reading the digests, I just saw a mention that Jimmy was going, so now I'm not going for sure. LOL. It probably wouldn't be a good idea anyway, as I am pregnant again, yes, again, and due in late December. So there's that news. Amelia is good and growing and hilarious, and needs a sibling. So here I go again. Anyway...I just finished reading "Girls LIke Us" and found it a rather mixed experience...I know that a lot of you read it, and many of you posted on it, I went back and read some of the archive. Though I am not a big fan of Carole KIng, I do love Tapestry and many of her songs, and I really respect her. It's fascinating to learn so much about her and how her world intertwined with Joni's. The Carly parts, well, I'm reading them because I can't read part of a book, but I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would care. Sorry. I just don't see it. But the Joni parts, wow. Really fascinating. I find the book to be sort of a messy mishmash of hearsay and gossip, and rehashed information from other sources, but I think its interesting how its put together. I hope you are all well... Alison E. in SLC np: wfuv (still streaming, always streaming...) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:09:21 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: NJC, Health care reform, short-sighted congressmen, and....Abba? BM wrote: Oh, but if only I could...how lucky am I to have Mark "coochie-coochie" Sanford for a Governor and Jim "Paperweight" DeMint for a Senator? Sheesh. When Mrs SCJoniguy was a math teacher, DeMint's kids went to her school and Jimmy boy made appearances there demanding special placements and favors for his kids. He was and is a total dick. Meanwhile, Sanfordnication wrote a long letter to the newspapers, quoting the bible and mentioning god 4-5 times before announcing that he's going to Europe with his family for 2 weeks to try and forget about his South American soul mate. This was after working about 10 days of the previous 30. The good news (hopefully) is that most South Carolinians that I talk to and read are sick of being sold up the river of false promises and the reality of 15% unemployment and the worst schools in the country are starting to hit home. Many are going totally anti-incumbent. Time will tell. ***** Maybe bad dreams/politicans are good in the great plan and you will get rid of them this time. Oh, and your Luv Guv. I read somewhere that they put him in Dickipedia! LOL! What a guy! He's going to "try to fall in love" with his wife again. You know, get "that sparking thing" going. I hope she got tan lines before the Europe trip so they can be soul mates. I feel sorry for their sons. Their father's hell won't slowly go by! But back to health care reform, did you hear about this? Thousands of people camped out on the land, trying to get their pain freed. "It was a Third World scene with an American setting. Hundreds of tired and desperate people crowded around an aid worker with a bullhorn, straining to hear the instructions and worried they might be left out. Some had arrived at the Wise County Fairgrounds in Wise, Virginia, two days before. They slept in cars, tents and the beds of pickup trucks, hoping to be among the first in line when the gate opened Friday before dawn. They drove in from 16 states, anxious to relieve pain, diagnose aches and see and hear better...." http://www.truthout.org/072809R?n What's that old song, by Jay and The Americans, I think? "Only in America, land of opportunity..." And then of course there is: "In a land that's known as freedom, how can such a thing be fair?" Inside you'll hear a sigh. Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL _QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:58:01 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC, In some studio sits a poet Just in case anyJonibody missed William Shatner's marvelous poetic adaptation of Sarah Palin's farewell speech: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/28/shatner_palin/index.html I saw and heard the entire speech (with her fresh lipstick glistening!) and was Joni-laughing-it-all-away at the whole thing, esp. at the end: "I have been blessed to have been raised in this last frontier. Thank you for our home, Mom and Dad, because in Alaska it is not an easy living, but it is a good living, and here it is impossible to lose your way. Wherever the road may lead you, we have that steadying great north star to guide us home." Of course I started singing: Just before our love got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern star" And I said "Constantly in the darkness Where's that at? If you want me I'll be in the bar" Dimwit. xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.: Search, add, and share the webs latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL _QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:18:02 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: Canadian perspective on universal health care (soooo NJC) Well, I may as well give the Swedish perspective. I live in both Sweden and the USA and experience both systems. Americans seem to have a knee-jerk reaction to the term "socialized medicine", although seldom does one get a clear definition of what is meant when the word is used. I certainly don't see what the Obama bill is said to contain to be anywhere near socialized medicine. It MAY be a step toward better health care. But let's look at the Swedish system. We are, in general, pretty satisfied with the current situation. It is NOT socialized medicine. In fact, it seems that Canada and Great Britain are more "socialized" than any of the Scandinavian countries. I wouldn't call the Swedish system "socialized medicine" even if some people (GOP) would. What we DO have is a system of universal health care insurance. Everyone is covered through their (or others) taxes. Myself, I happen to go to a private physician for check-ups and any sickness I might incur. Not because I have anything against the public clinics, it is simply a matter of the I have known this doctor for many years and have chosen to go to him. It costs me exactly the same as if I went to a public clinic - something like $25 per visit until I have reached a cap - then it is free. This, of course, can't cover his costs - nor the costs of the public clinic. He is further compensated through the insurance we all have. One major factor is that this is a ONE PAYER SYSTEM. My doctor can charge as much as he wishes - but he won't be compensated over and above the compensation level set by the central insurance board. My dentist actually DOES charge more than the "list price", but I choose to cover that extra cost in that he is really quite good. But everyone has their basic medical care covered at a reasonable cost out of pocket augmented by our insurance. The second major factor is that profit is not a goal of our health insurance system. So, we have a system not driven by profit where the prime goal is health care, both short term and long term. Hospitals: There are virtually no private hospitals. There is no profit to be made by building one. In fact, the cost of building and equipping one which could compete with the resources of our government/tax financed institutions would be prohibitive. Any doctor can use the hospital facilities that are at hand and the equipment and resources are top notch. Waiting lines? Well, not for important operations. You might have to wait a month or so for a knee replacement but such an operation is seldom acute. Acute conditions are handled very swiftly and I am sure that many of us would gladly put off our hip replacement for a few more days in order to let someone with a condition putting their life at risk or someone in great pain or distress. True, my cosmetic nose-job might have a lower priority but there are private clinics for those who need to have their noses adjusted immediately. Yes, there are glitches. And we do sometimes bitch about some details - but, in general, we are very satisfied with our system. It provides care, both preventative and acute. It provides choice of doctors for those who want to have that choice. And it is provided at virtually no cost. I think that the major reasons for it working is that EVERY resident is covered and that it is a one-payer system with no profit-seeking middleman (insurance company) in the flow. I only wish that any American reform would include these things but, to be quite honest, I don't think it is going to happen. At least not until we, as Americans, take our country back from the Greed sector. /Robban - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of mack watson-bush Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:22 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Canadian perspective on universal health care (soooo NJC) That was extremely interesting Rob. Thanks. I would be very interested in reading about other's experiences with their socialized healthcare. Please post those folks. thanks, mack ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #227 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------