From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #225 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 28 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 225 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Steely Dan Review - Boston NJC [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Merci beaucoup, Simon! Joni in Montreal, 1974 [Patti Parlette ] RE: Merci beaucoup, Simon! Joni in Montreal, 1974 [Patti Parlette Subject: Merci beaucoup, Simon! Joni in Montreal, 1974 Thank you, Simon, for the Joni chapter. I just skimmed it and will digest it later. And while I'm here chicken-scratching, I don't know if I ever thanked you for finding a Joni concert I attended in the Summer of 1974. When I joined the JMDL five years ago, it was not in the Chronology. I wrote to you about it, unsure of the exact date, and you found it! 1974.08.04, Place des Nations, Montreal, QC http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/detail.cfm?id=1829 There is even an article there! Ooh la la! "Sous La Plue" (should be Pluie, n'est-ce pas CoT?) ("In the Rain"). I can't believe that no other JMDLers were there that enchanted evening. Anyone? Anyone? It was a sublime, magical night. I've written about it here before; someday maybe I'll do a proper write-up for our wonderful jonimitchell.com. There are so many good writers here (Kay, patrick, Marks, and you know there may be more....) that I'm a little shy about doing that. ("I get so damned timid...") It was so long ago that I couldn't possibly remember everything she sang. Plus, my write-up would have so much personal stuff in it. The voyage to get there and all, sleeping in a farmer's field w/ no money or food for 2 days with that strange strange boy, the Canadian whiskey and Labatt Cinquante (50)...ha ha! When in Canada, on boit et fume comme un Canadien! I have three photos, too, taken w/ our Canon FTB and telephoto. Grainy, out-of-focus, and faded, but still.... Should I send them to you or Les? What do you pay for old pictures? I want to make a lot of money before I quit this crazy scene. LOL....JUST KIDDING!!!! She was BEAUTIFUL that night. Stardust. GOLDEN. xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL _QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Merci beaucoup, Simon! Joni in Montreal, 1974 - --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Patti Parlette wrote: > 1974.08.04, Place des Nations, Montreal, QC > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/detail.cfm?id=1829 > > > > There is even an article there! Ooh la la! > "Sous La Plue" (should be Pluie, > n'est-ce pas CoT?) ("In the Rain"). Yep. Should be pluie. If you want to get really fussy and French, you'd probably only use a capital letter on the first word ("Sous la pluie") because they're not big on using capital letters unless they're necessary. > > I can't believe that no other JMDLers were there that > enchanted evening. > Anyone? Anyone? > > > > It was a sublime, magical night. I've written about > it here before; someday > maybe I'll do a proper write-up for our wonderful > jonimitchell.com. There are > so many good writers here (Kay, patrick, Marks, and you > know there may be > more....) that I'm a little shy about doing that. ("I > get so damned > timid...") It was so long ago that I > couldn't possibly remember everything > she sang. Plus, my write-up would have so much > personal stuff in it. The > voyage to get there and all, sleeping in a farmer's field > w/ no money or food > for 2 days with that strange strange boy, the Canadian > whiskey and Labatt > Cinquante (50)...ha ha! When in Canada, on boit et > fume comme un Canadien! My memory for things past is very poor and I'm always amazed at those of you who can remember events in the past. Even if you can't remember everything, you can always do an impression of it. Remember how Wally Lamb had a character in his book claim that she was in line with Joni for the port-a-potties at Woodstock. Was it Lamb getting the facts wrong, or the character being creative with her past? At least, if you were there in Montreal, you can be pretty sure Joni was really there. ;-) __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:39:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: njc/Re:PS:Health Care & We The People Sorry, had to forward, for I forgot to enter Joni@smoe.org From: Jeannie Subject: njc/Re:PS:Health Care & We The People To: simon@icu.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 3:36 PM Hi Simon and all Joni Friends. I don't think Barack Obama is going to let up on this one. Neither is Michelle. If the Bush-Cheney criminal war machine was capable of so much destruction and death and misery and ruthlessness for we the people and for the people of Iraq and all the world, why then, is our President, along with we the people from the United States not capable of rebuilding all the damage that has been done, first and foremost, by taking care of our fellow citizens that need basic health care? And eventually, then we can go on trying to find ways to get health care going on in other parts of the world where people and children are dying needlessly, all in the name of greed, apathy, population control and eugenics, which is so damn pasee' already. All that's needed is to release and rid the greed that's in control of most everyone up on Capital Hill and when we've reached the point when the center cannot hold, when not even the richest of the rich is exempt, many good things are possible. It's a choice between sinking or swimming and doing or dying from the top down and from the bottom up. Most Truly, Jeannie - --- On Sun, 7/26/09, simon@icu.com wrote: From: simon@icu.com Subject: PS: Health Care & We The People To: joni@smoe.org Cc: deoll@comcast.net Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 1:00 PM RE: Universal Health Care 1st paragraph - The Constitution of The United States. "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." let's see ... 1. PROMOTE the General Welfare ? 2. SECURE the Blessings of Liberty ... ? sounds like Universal Health Care to me. sounds like Universal Health Care 'as a Right!' yet we don't have it, and aren't likely to get it. andmoreagain - - - - - - - - - - simon http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_albums.cfm "When humans take the strength of their belief and ease it across the thin line to absolute knowledge, then arrogance can lead to all kinds of things being done in the name of God." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:42:57 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: The Black Rabbit Inn Wie rosemjoy@aol.com so vortrefflich formulierte: > Does anyone recall a hippie restaurant in the Los Angeles circa > 1968-70 called the Black Rabbit Inn? I've reconnected with an old > friend of my brother Richard. Gary?was a waiter there and said that > Joni and Mamma Cass and company would frequent the place. It was > painted solid black inside and out. > > Rosie in NJ > There is another Joni connection here: http://www.laweekly.com/content/printVersion/39247 "Sally Sirkin Lewis - Her new location was formerly a hippie restaurant called the Black Rabbit Inn, and was painted solid black, inside and out. [...] 'I mixed antiquities right into the modern. I always had a softer edge; it wasnbt like looking at Herman Miller.' This approach apparently gelled with an initially reluctant Joni Mitchell, who went through a detailed account of Lewisb work on her Bel-Air home in a 1976 issue of Architectural Digest, wherein she expressed dislike for the "decorated" look.' " moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:56:02 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: Merci beaucoup, Simon! Joni in Montreal, 1974 CoT wrote: > Yep. Should be pluie. If you want to get really fussy and French, you'd probably only use a capital letter on the first word ("Sous la pluie") because they're not big on using capital letters unless they're necessary. > LOL...fussy and French. Makes me think of "now they got me used to that clean white linen and that fancy French cologne." CoT encore une fois: > > My memory for things past is very poor and I'm always amazed at those of you who can remember events in the past. Even if you can't remember everything, you can always do an impression of it. Remember how Wally Lamb had a character in his book claim that she was in line with Joni for the port-a-potties at Woodstock. Was it Lamb getting the facts wrong, or the character being creative with her past? At least, if you were there in Montreal, you can be pretty sure Joni was really there. ;-) > A la recherche du temps perdu, Catherine! ; ) Remember, this was the very question Smurf wanted me to ask Wally, if I ever met him. "Do you know that Joni was not at Woodstock?" And I did ask him that night at the booksigning. Wally scratched his beard thoughtfully, paused, and said, in all honesty I believe: "You know, I'm not really sure if I knew that or not when I wrote the book. I think maybe I did NOT know that, but now I do." ANYWAY, yes I was there. Yes, it was awesome. And yes, at Les's urge for going to upload the photos, I just did! There's even one of Joni sitting on her groceries, au piano! Voila: http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/detail.cfm?id=1829 It had rained all day, and we waited and waited. All the naysayers were naysaying. No money. No food. And then....the sun came out and dried up all the rain and then.....OMG. There she is! MISS JONI MITCHELL! (I just got goosebumps. I'm imagining her opening w/ Carey but who knows...) xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL _QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:01:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Merci beaucoup, Simon! Joni in Montreal, 1974 They look great, PP - thanks for the memories and for the photos. Bob NP: Edwin Starr, "Twenty Five Miles" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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For example, I have an inlaw who is 58 years old, with a family history of colon cancer, and who wanted a routine colonoscopy done (he's never had one). He's on an 18 month waiting list, even though they supposedly recommend having the procedure done at 50, or even before if you have a family history. Or there is a friend of ours who is 39, a mother of 6, who was just diagnosed with thydoid cancer. She's on a wai ting list in Alberta to see a surgeon. Until then, she has no idea if the cancer has spread, or what she's dealing with. It's been a few weeks since her diagnosis and no appointment yet, as far as I know. My mother-in-law needed an MRI for chronic back/neck pain, but again, was on a waiting list so long, she finally went to Alberta (where they have private MRI clinics, which I think is technically against the law) and got it done in a day. She also eventually went to the Mayo clinic to get treatment, as the system here wasn't helping. When my mother was dying in the hospital last summer, she went from the ICU directly to a hallway. She was still desparately ill, couldn't stand, incontinent, and confused, and hadn't received her diagnosis of leukemia yet, but there were only 10 spots in ICU and since there suddenly were 10 people who were more sick than her, she was moved into, literally, a hallway in emergency. About 12 beds were shoved in this makeshift ward, separated by curtains, right in the middle of the emergency unit, with no bathroom in sight. This was because there was a bed shortage and the health region kept sending memos to doctors on a daily basis to release all patients they possibly could, even though the top floor of our hospital was closed due to lack of staff. Finally, after languishing in the hallway for a few days, our doctor, who is a friend, somehow pulled some strings after an afternoon on the phone, and got her into a bed in Saskatoon. So she was moved there and I must say, they ran tests on her very quickly. However, what got me was someone telling me that she was lucky she was in the hospital because then she could get an MRI done quickly - if she wasn't in the hospital, she'd be placed on the bottom of the list, regardless of health priority, and that could be 6 months to 18 months of waiting. Don't get me wrong - I am a firm supporter of universal health care. However, it is obvious that our system is underfunded, overworked, and falling apart. It's funny, because a coworker was in Palm Springs on vacation and fell sick. Because we have good travel health insurance, she had no wait at emergency, she had every possible test done in 3 days, etc. Here, well, she's probably have waited for 10 hours in the lobby of the hospital before she was given a cot to lay on. Another friend of ours took her daughter to emergency one night at midnight, because she had eaten some nuts and was sort of wheezy and swollen. Fearing a nut allergy, they came to the hospital, waited in the lobby (along with a whole line of people sitting there in pain, with puke pails, etc. - it's traumatic for my kids to walk through there) and sat there until 3:00, when a nurse said to them "if she can breathe, you will be better off going home and seeing your family doctor in the morning, because the wait is very long. My neighbor, who is 76 years old, broke a rib a few weekends ago - again, she waited forever. She went in at 10 pm, didn't get looked at until 3:00 am, and didn't get home until morning. As a parent with 4 children, if I had the option to pay for certain services to get them done faster, well, I hate to say it, but I would. We have a nursing shortage, and the cover story of the Saskatoon Star-Phoenix on Saturday was that over 1/2 of our doctors in Sask. are from South Africa. Since we can't keep our doctors, we poach them from South Africa, which is crippling their health system. Then, after staying a few years, the South African doctors move on, and people are left without a family doctor, as nobody seems to take new patients. It's all very disheartening. Even a routine ultrasound during pregnancy isn't always easy to get. It's probably easier for all of this in large centers, but I live in a town of 40,000 people, and we've seen one hospital close 10 years ago, and the other is constantly closing its top floor because of staffing shortages, so it's really stressful to be ill. I am very thankful that I have health care, but I've come to realize that when you yourself are directly affected by waitlists and shortages and being treated like cattle and being rushed through a system that doesn't feel like it cares for you, well, it makes you want other options. This is just my opinion - don't bite my head off. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:32:05 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Joni - A Tribute To The Legendary Joni Mitchell Hi folks. Who's going to the Joni tribute show at the Sydney Opera House in October? I thought it might be nice to meet up for drinks before the show. This is going to be one fantastic show. I'd pay to see any one of these seven artists let alone a night filled with Joni's music too. I am just dying to know which songs they will perform. I do hope Katie Noonan does some of Joni's jazz songs. What will fellow Canadian chanteuse, Wendy Matthews sing? She is a legend in her own right as far as I'm concerned, having sung with the likes of Aretha Franklin and Cher. Can't wait to hear Tania Bowra too. She would be perfect for some of the earlier material. Something from Court and Spark maybe. Mark in Sydney NP What's Going On? - Katie Noonan with Michael Franti ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:21:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni - A Tribute To The Legendary Joni Mitchell Well, for what it's worth, Wendy has recorded/released "Cherokee Louise", so that would make it a likely contender. Bob NP: Maxwell, "Now/At The Party" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:21:50 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Canadian perspective on universal health care (soooo NJC) That was extremely interesting Rob. Thanks. I would be very interested in reading about other's experiences with their socialized healthcare. Please post those folks. thanks, mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Procyk" To: Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Canadian perspective on universal health care (soooo NJC) >I really didn't want to respond to the universal health care thread, but > I really feel compelled to weigh in with my experiences. Let me say that > I wholeheartedly support universal health care, but, in my experience, in > Saskatchewan, the system is very... broken. Of course, already when I > say that, I counter that with horror stories of people losing their > homes, etc. from not having medical insurance in the USA, so I shouldn't > complain. BUT... I can tell you stories from my family and friends who > are all frustrated with the system. For example, I have an inlaw who is > 58 years old, with a family history of colon cancer, and who wanted a > routine colonoscopy done (he's never had one). He's on an 18 month > waiting list, even though they supposedly recommend having the procedure > done at 50, or even before if you have a family history. Or there is a > friend of ours who is 39, a mother of 6, who was just diagnosed with > thydoid cancer. She's on a wai ting list in Alberta to see a surgeon. > Until then, she has no idea if the cancer has spread, or what she's > dealing with. It's been a few weeks since her diagnosis and no > appointment yet, as far as I know. My mother-in-law needed an MRI for > chronic back/neck pain, but again, was on a waiting list so long, she > finally went to Alberta (where they have private MRI clinics, which I > think is technically against the law) and got it done in a day. She also > eventually went to the Mayo clinic to get treatment, as the system here > wasn't helping. > > When my mother was dying in the hospital last summer, she went from the > ICU directly to a hallway. She was still desparately ill, couldn't > stand, incontinent, and confused, and hadn't received her diagnosis of > leukemia yet, but there were only 10 spots in ICU and since there > suddenly were 10 people who were more sick than her, she was moved into, > literally, a hallway in emergency. About 12 beds were shoved in this > makeshift ward, separated by curtains, right in the middle of the > emergency unit, with no bathroom in sight. This was because there was a > bed shortage and the health region kept sending memos to doctors on a > daily basis to release all patients they possibly could, even though the > top floor of our hospital was closed due to lack of staff. Finally, after > languishing in the hallway for a few days, our doctor, who is a friend, > somehow pulled some strings after an afternoon on the phone, and got her > into a bed in Saskatoon. So she was moved there and I must say, they ran > tests on her very quickly. However, what got me was someone telling me > that she was lucky she was in the hospital because then she could get an > MRI done quickly - if she wasn't in the hospital, she'd be placed on the > bottom of the list, regardless of health priority, and that could be 6 > months to 18 months of waiting. > > Don't get me wrong - I am a firm supporter of universal health care. > However, it is obvious that our system is underfunded, overworked, and > falling apart. It's funny, because a coworker was in Palm Springs on > vacation and fell sick. Because we have good travel health insurance, > she had no wait at emergency, she had every possible test done in 3 days, > etc. Here, well, she's probably have waited for 10 hours in the lobby of > the hospital before she was given a cot to lay on. Another friend of > ours took her daughter to emergency one night at midnight, because she > had eaten some nuts and was sort of wheezy and swollen. Fearing a nut > allergy, they came to the hospital, waited in the lobby (along with a > whole line of people sitting there in pain, with puke pails, etc. - it's > traumatic for my kids to walk through there) and sat there until 3:00, > when a nurse said to them "if she can breathe, you will be better off > going home and seeing your family doctor in the morning, because the wait > is very long. My neighbor, who is 76 years old, broke a rib a few > weekends ago - again, she waited forever. She went in at 10 pm, didn't > get looked at until 3:00 am, and didn't get home until morning. As a > parent with 4 children, if I had the option to pay for certain services > to get them done faster, well, I hate to say it, but I would. We have a > nursing shortage, and the cover story of the Saskatoon Star-Phoenix on > Saturday was that over 1/2 of our doctors in Sask. are from South > Africa. Since we can't keep our doctors, we poach them from South > Africa, which is crippling their health system. Then, after staying a > few years, the South African doctors move on, and people are left without > a family doctor, as nobody seems to take new patients. > > It's all very disheartening. Even a routine ultrasound during pregnancy > isn't always easy to get. It's probably easier for all of this in large > centers, but I live in a town of 40,000 people, and we've seen one > hospital close 10 years ago, and the other is constantly closing its top > floor because of staffing shortages, so it's really stressful to be ill. > > I am very thankful that I have health care, but I've come to realize that > when you yourself are directly affected by waitlists and shortages and > being treated like cattle and being rushed through a system that doesn't > feel like it cares for you, well, it makes you want other options. > > This is just my opinion - don't bite my head off. > > Rob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #225 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------