From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #191 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 25 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 191 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Ohio njc [] Re: what Joni lyrics? [Rian Afriadi ] Re: what Joni lyrics? [Em ] Ohio NJC [Patti Parlette ] FW: what Joni lyrics? [Susan E McNamara ] Joni Mention on Regina Spektor's New Album Rollingstone Review [Rian Afri] Re: Joni Mention on Regina Spektor's New Album Rollingstone Review [Bob.M] Two Grey Rooms? [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Two Grey Rooms? [Catherine McKay ] Subject: Re: totally NJC - Ohio ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: what Joni lyrics? ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Subject: Re: totally NJC - Ohio and weird pronunciations of things [C] RE: Subject: Re: totally NJC - Ohio [Cindy Vickery ] Re: The List Itself, njc [Lori Fye ] Re: Subject: Re: totally NJC - Ohio [Lori Fye ] Liner notes by [your name here] ["Les Irvin" ] Re: The List Itself, njc [Vince ] Re: Two Grey Rooms? [kjhsf@aol.com] Re: The List Itself, njc [Lori Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:42:39 -0400 From: Subject: Ohio njc As a native coastal Californian whose family came from not too far from Ohio, I find myself agreeing with the sentiments of both Bryan and Gene! I could never live in Ohio (mostly because I'm a lightweight and couldn't handle the weather) but have often longed for an infusion of some of those heartland, down to earth people in my Lala land environment! No place is perfect but every place has its own beauty and specialness and it all adds to the whole and makes the painted ponies go up and down ;-) Good luck and enjoy, Vince. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: what Joni lyrics? It's Sunny Sunday. Specially because I just watched A Streetcar Named Desire. Finally I found out what Joni meant with Blance Dubois. Rian NP. Benjamin Biolay - Bien Avant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:12:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: what Joni lyrics? funny you mention this: just this morning while getting ready for work, the line "who let the greedy in, who left the needy out?" kept running through my head.... odd... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:32:34 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Ohio NJC Chelsea Morning! (Tone = "throwing the lightness on these things"/no "thunderhead of judgment") Bryan wrote: "But I would take my unpretentious, sincere (if often somewhat backward) Buckeyes any day of the week over the self-centered, trendy, superficial, elitist, neurotic snobs on the coasts." Have you been coast to coast just to contemplate this? ; ) "I said send me somebody, who's strong and somewhat sincere." ; ) Wishing everyone the Peace and the Star, Patti P., still wearing a green flag song wristband in solidarity with the anima rising in Iran "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC thats right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:39:31 -0400 From: Susan E McNamara Subject: FW: what Joni lyrics? I was listening to Dog Eat Dog the other day and this lyric from Good Friends exactly fit my mood: No hearts of gold No nerves of steel No blame for what we can and cannot feel great thread, thanks, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: what Joni lyrics? What Joni lyrics are on your mind or have particularly touched you recently? Mine: Seabird, I have seen you fly above the pilingsI am smiling at your circles in the airI will come and sit by you while he lies sleepingFold your fleet wingsI have brought some dreams to shareA dream that you love someoneA dream that the wars are doneA dream that you tell no one but the grey seaThey'll say that you're crazyAnd a dream of a babyLike a promise to be freeChildren laughing out to seaAll his seadreams come to me - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:00:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Joni Mention on Regina Spektor's New Album Rollingstone Review The review is about her new album : Far. There's a tiny Joni-mention. Regina Spektor writes the kind of crazy- quilt confessionals we used to hear a lot from 1990s alt-rockers but don't get enough of these days. The Russian-born Lower East Side piano punk has the European yelp of BjC6rk, the loopiness of Fiona Apple, the too-much-information torridness of Tori Amos and the slanted critical eye of Liz Phair. But none of those girls ever interrupted a song about long-term commitment to uncork a flurry of dolphin noises, as Spektor does on "Folding Chair," one of the stranger b and catchier b moments on her excellent third major-label record. The 29-year-old singer-songwriter's 2004 disc, Soviet Kitsch, flaunted her exotic Old World accent on stark, ranting torch songs that followed a boozy logic. 2006's Begin to Hope had fuller production and great one-liners about being a doomed New York romantic, like a Joni Mitchell for the post-Strokes era. Produced by Jeff Lynne, Garret "Jacknife" Lee, Mike Elizondo and David Kahne, Far matches Kitsch's rococo flow with the follow-up's pop smarts. On the jaunty, hip-hop-tinged "Dance Anthem of the 80's," she wanders lonely streets with her slip hanging out, "like a drunk, but not." "Laughing With" begins as a meditation on God's wicked sense of humor and ends collapsing in an existential freakout over a soft beat and weeping cello. Spektor is a woman who doesn't need much excuse to have an emotional Chernobyl (in one song, it's finding a wallet with a Blockbuster card in it). But she's also the rare screwball who gets more universal as she gets weirder. "like a Joni Mitchell for the post-Strokes era." I don't get it. Rian NP. Coldplay - 42 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:22:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Mention on Regina Spektor's New Album Rollingstone Review <"like a Joni Mitchell for the post-Strokes era." I don't get it.> Nor do I, it sounds pretty pretentious. I loved the Strokes as much as anyone but they were basically a flash in the pan so it's silly to talk about "the post-Strokes era" when there wasn't one. It'd be like saying there was a "Starlight Vocal Band Era". Bob NP: Cassandra Wilson, "Love Is Blindness" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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It's a cool gig and people genuinely appreciate real music instead of the lame autopilot that the piano is on when no one is playing it. B Oh, I also play lots of Tom Waits...On the Nickel, Innocent When You Dream, San Diego Serenade, Invitation to the Blues, Ol '55, etc... best, Victor in hotlanta (back from the cool breezes at Sarasota's siesta key!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms? One day I'll fly to Atlanta, just to sit in the airport bar and hear you play. Cool music that you play and how many airports have live music? I have a friend who plays piano in a bar. I don't think he has ever studied. He's one of those people who can listen to something and then play it. Make me sick! But would he be able to write it? No... but then, if he used one of those programs where you connect a keyboard to the computer, and then it writes out the notes... Where is Roberto when you need him? He could do it. Oh, but then, so can you, but you need it quickly. - --- On Wed, 6/24/09, waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Two Grey Rooms? To: joni@smoe.org Received: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 1:08 PM Anybody have the chords to "Two Grey Rooms" they could send me via pdf? B I could sit and figure out but don't have the time right now. B I've been playing piano at the Atlanta airport international concourse and I'm looking to do more Joni songs. B I pretty much have free reign to play whatever so I kind of mix it up between jazz standards, pop music, and whatever I feel like playing. B So far I've done songs like "For Free", "River", "Court and Spark", "Case of You"...I think that's all I've tried so far. B I've even played songs like Pink Floyd "Hey You" and "Comfortably Numb" in a kind of free jazz style. It's a cool gig and people genuinely appreciate real music instead of the lame autopilot that the piano is on when no one is playing it. B Oh, I also play lots of Tom Waits...On the Nickel, Innocent When You Dream, San Diego Serenade, Invitation to the Blues, Ol '55, etc... best, Victor in hotlanta (back from the cool breezes at Sarasota's siesta key!) __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:53:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: totally NJC - Ohio Ohioans pronounce Bellefontaine as "bell-FOUN-ton" which would probably make the French cringe. Some folks pronounce Newark as "Nerk". Columbus becomes "KLUM-us". I think it's the Appalachian influence and not everyone does it. Bushes are "BOO-shes". But what do I know? I say "FI-nance" while others insist it's "fin-ANCE". At one time I worried about this stuff. I guess Patti would say I'm "throwing a lightness on these things." Sandusky and Lake Erie has some natural beauty. Columbus, in Central Ohio, is almost totally flat but I've enjoyed many afternoons sailing on their reservoirs. In southwestern Ohio, Cincinnati has many hills and parks that overlook the Ohio River. Dayton was built, for better or worse, at the confluence of five rivers. If you like rivers, we have them. Jim L. Lori said in part, >Of all the places in Ohio I would NOT want to visit (again), for many reasons Lima is at the top of that list. The citizens there don't even pronounce Lima correctly ... it ought to be "LEE-ma" (like Peru), but instead they call it "LIE-ma" (like ... what? Lime with an "a" at the end? Lima beans, which also should be "LEE-ma" beans?). Of course they don't pronounce Medina properly, either ... and there's a whole list of other names about which they're clueless too. Of course this is a place where they also call Italians "EYE-talians"... sheesh.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:56:21 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: The List Itself, njc In the early days some folks wanted only JC here while others wanted an outlet for writers. How come no one fights on the JMDL anymore? I don't want to go back but what changed? Jim L. np: Wilco in the other room ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:31:15 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: what Joni lyrics? That song was running through my head, too, but different lines; Sometimes change comes at ya Like a broadside accident There is chaos to the order Random things you can't prevent RR From: "Susan E McNamara" >I was listening to Dog Eat Dog the other day and this lyric from Good >Friends exactly fit my mood: > > No hearts of gold > No nerves of steel > No blame for what we can > and cannot feel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Subject: Re: totally NJC - Ohio and weird pronunciations of things It's hard to say sometimes what is a regional pronunciation and what's just someone's quirky pronunciation but I guess when everyone says it that way, it's a regional thing. I thought with "finance," it might be one of those things where it depends on whether you're using it as a noun or a verb. For examples, "I need help with my FI-nances (noun)," but "I'm looking to fi-NANCE a loan." Dictionaries seem to have both pronunciations, so I betcha it's regional. I think I usually say "FI-nance" but maybe sometimes "fi-NANCE" as a verb - right now, I'm not sure! My mother used to pronounce certain words strangely and I thought it might be just her, but I've heard other Montrealers of her generation say them the same way: Saturday becomes "Saar-dy," hospital becomes "hosple." And her sister Edith was "Ethid," which my mother swore she never said - she never heard herelf pronouncing it that way. We discovered recently thought that the Irish pronunciation of it might sound closer to "Ethid" than Edith. So says my sister, but she could be full of it. - --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Ohioans pronounce Bellefontaine as "bell-FOUN-ton" which would probably make the French cringe. Some folks pronounce Newark as "Nerk". Columbus becomes "KLUM-us". I think it's the Appalachian influence and not everyone does it. Bushes are "BOO-shes". But what do I know? I say "FI-nance" while others insist it's "fin-ANCE". At one time I worried about this stuff. I guess Patti would say I'm "throwing a lightness on these things." __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:41:43 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: RE: Subject: Re: totally NJC - Ohio Ahhh... I do that, too, kinda - but the words mean different things. "FI-nance" is a course of study related to economics and "fi-NANCE" is when you pay for something over a period of time. Same deal with "ce-MENT" (a verb, meaning to stick stuff together) and "CE-ment" (the noun, like what patios and the pond at the Clampett's are made of). cindy _________________________ Lama said: > But what do I know? I say "FI-nance" while others insist it's "fin-ANCE". _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_tr y_bing_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:33:16 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms? Hi Victor This is a chord cheat chart I use. Hope this helps. On Jun 24, 2009, at 12:08 PM, waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: Anybody have the chords to "Two Grey Rooms" they could send me via pdf? B I could sit and figure out but don't have the time right now. B I've been playing piano at the Atlanta airport international concourse and I'm looking to do more Joni songs. B I pretty much have free reign to play whatever so I kind of mix it up between jazz standards, pop music, and whatever I feel like playing. B So far I've done songs like "For Free", "River", "Court and Spark", "Case of You"...I think that's all I've tried so far. B I've even played songs like Pink Floyd "Hey You" and "Comfortably Numb" in a kind of free jazz style. It's a cool gig and people genuinely appreciate real music instead of the lame autopilot that the piano is on when no one is playing it. B Oh, I also play lots of Tom Waits...On the Nickel, Innocent When You Dream, San Diego Serenade, Invitation to the Blues, Ol '55, etc... best, Victor in hotlanta (back from the cool breezes at Sarasota's siesta key!) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:13:31 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The List Itself, njc > How come no one fights on the JMDL anymore? I don't > want to go back but what changed? We have Obama now. There's a general feeling of peace these days, even in the midst of ongoing wars. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:18:15 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Subject: Re: totally NJC - Ohio > Same deal with "ce-MENT" (a verb, meaning to stick stuff > together) and "CE-ment" (the noun, like what patios and > the pond at the Clampett's are made of). That's your Southern influence, Cindy. In Ohio it's "ce-MENT" no matter whether used as a verb or a noun, unless you're from closer to West Virginia or Kentucky, where it might be "CE-ment". "Creek," however, is generally pronounced as "crick." Don't know why. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:16:12 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Liner notes by [your name here] Note from Joni's management: "Joni is putting out a boxed set, summary, of all of her music and instead of traditional liner notes she would like to invite the community to send in a statement of why they enjoy the music. It can be one sentence or a short paragraph and the best will be chosen for the liner notes for the project. It can be a personal experience with the music or why in general you like it. "An example of which might be... "Joni, you make race-less, gender-less music." "Girl, you make me see pictures in my head." "Joni feels it might be more interesting to hear from the people who truly like the music rather than from a critic or PR person. " To submit your liner notes, go here: http://jonimitchell.com/linernotes.cfm Submissions go directly to Joni's management and are not filtered through the website. This will not be announced on JoniMitchell.com until sometime on Thursday - allowing JMDL member's submissions to roll in first. More news on the boxed set as it is known. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:44:57 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: The List Itself, njc I think that after the last of the flame wars, after Columbine in 1999, the 2000 election, September 11th, and the lead up to and the invasion of Iraq along with everything else, that we finally figured out that we cared more the community and loving each other than establishing our own opinions on things that we would never settle anyway. It is just easier to love than fight. Vince > How come no one fights on the JMDL anymore? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:28:46 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms? If I were walking through the Airport, and I heard someone playing Court and Spark LIVE at the piano, I would be dumbstruck!!!!? Makes me consider connecting through Atlanta on my next trip just for the chance of hearing that!? GOOD FOR YOU!? BTW, I have sheet music for Two Grey Rooms.? I will be glad to copy and mail them to you if you want to send your address off-list!?? I don't know how to make pdfs. Ken (in Columbus, Ohio, and quite content here after many years in San Francisco {where I was also quite content}...imagine!!!?? Proof you can find contentedness in whatever package you choose.? I guess it all comes down to YOU.) - -----Original Message----- From: waytoblue@comcast.net To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:08 pm Subject: Two Grey Rooms? Anybody have the chords to "Two Grey Rooms" they could send me via pdf? B I could sit and figure out but don't have the time right now. B I've been playing piano at the Atlanta airport international concourse and I'm looking to do more Joni songs. B I pretty much have free reign to play whatever so I kind of mix it up between jazz standards, pop music, and whatever I feel like playing. B So far I've done songs like "For Free", "River", "Court and Spark", "Case of You"...I think that's all I've tried so far. B I've even played songs like Pink Floyd "Hey You" and "Comfortably Numb" in a kind of free jazz style. It's a cool gig and people genuinely appreciate real music instead of the lame autopilot that the piano is on when no one is playing it. B Oh, I also play lots of Tom Waits...On the Nickel, Innocent When You Dream, San Diego Serenade, Invitation to the Blues, Ol '55, etc... best, Victor in hotlanta (back from the cool breezes at Sarasota's siesta key!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:24:28 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The List Itself, njc > It is just easier to love than fight. Love that. Right on. 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