From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #115 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 11 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 115 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni quote at the White House, njc [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Laura Nyro (NJC) ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Laura Nyro (NJC) [Mags ] Not everyone will like you... njc ["anon anon " ] Re: Not everyone will like you... njc [Em ] Re: Jonatha & kd NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Not everyone will like you... njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Not everyone will like you... njc ["anon anon " ] Re: Jonatha & kd NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Not everyone will like you... njc [Bob Muller ] Joni mention in a review [Gerald Notaro ] RE: Jonatha & kd NJC ["Phyliss Ward" ] Re: Jonatha & kd NJC [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Billy Bobbed! (njc) follow up notes [Mags ] Re: Billy Bobbed! njc [Bryan ] Court and Spark release date? [T Peckham ] Billy Bobbed (njc) [] RE: Tin Angel and Clouds - now njc ["patrick leader" ] Joni Mitchell's 3 mystical books... [anon anon ] RE: Tin Angel and Clouds - now njc [Mags ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:24:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Joni quote at the White House, njc Catherine wondered : How often do you see THAT song quoted? I wonder if that woman is a member of the jmdl? >>> It's very obvious she's got Parlette's Syndrome. Rian NP. Raised on Robbery ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:41:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers #111 still open for downloads Thanks to everyone who has snagged this latest volume, and I hope you're enjoying it. Just in case some of you missed it, here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/cwprts It will expire on the 14th. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Bye And Bye" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Jonatha & kd NJC Just wanted to jot down a couple of quick reviews from the last two nights of great live music...Wednesday night Mrs SCJoniguy & I went up to Ashevilleto see Jonatha Brooke at the Grey Eagle, which would have been wonderful in itself, but the fact that we got to hang with Phyliss Ward and her husband Bob and other friends & family made it a truly unforgettable night. Hadn't seen Phyliss since Pazfest but of course as it is with JMDLer's it was just like yesterday when we were together. They live in this amazing mountain home, full of art, Joni and other miscellaneous beauty. Next time I'm bringing my swimsuit and we can check out the hot tub! Anyway, on to the show - we got there early, and listened to Jonatha's sound check while we were eating dinner. Phyliss had prepared a gift basket for her, knowing her love of chocolate and such, and presented it to her. Jonatha came out and hung out with us a bit, we got some pics and conversation, what a sincerely sweet & kind person. We all sat right up front for the show - it was not a large crowd but it was a very appreciative and responsive crowd, and Jonatha seemed touched by the response she got as she played 6-7 songs from her new (excellent) album "The Works". She played many others from her catalogue of course, playing guitar & piano and every song had a story and/or other comments that went along with it. One of my favorite moments was "Deny" a song she wrote from a film that was not used. A beautiful and moving song that brought a bit of water to the eyes. Thanks again to Phyliss and Bob for their hospitality - I promise it won't take 9 years for us to hang out again. Last night I took my Mother-In-Law to see k.d. lang at The Peace Center here in town. It's an amazing venue for music as the acoustics are to die for. I thought the show was slow getting momentum, but after a couple of songs she seemed more relaxed and comfortable and started cutting loose. As I don't have any of her albums I wasn't familiar with most of what she sang except for her selections from "Songs Of The 49th Parallel"; she did "Helpless", "The Valley" (a gorgeous Jane Siberry song), and a wonderful "Hallelujah" which got her the first of several standing ovations. Her voice is simply a thing of wonder, her range, her ability to emote and the way she uses the microphone and builds emotional momentum through a song - I was in awe. She had a great band, 5 virtuosos who all played a variety of things, and her ability to jump from jazz to pop to bluegraa to country and back again was seamless. She had a great rapport with the audience and was having a good time - she came back out for two encores, closing with a tender "A Kiss To Build A Dream On". It was an unforgettable night. Happy Friday Hippies! Bob NP: Sam Cooke, "Somebody Have Mercy" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:36:01 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Laura Nyro (NJC) I saw on TV last week (CTV) the new Elvis Costello interview show called Spectacle. It is scheduled to air soon in the US on the Sundance channel. I believe it is already available in the UK on Channel 4. Anyway, the first week's guest was Sir Elton (producer of this series). He spoke very candidly about his early mentors and influences, most notably, Leon Russell. He was especially generous with his praise of Laura Nyro, who he credited as being a ground-breaking artist, ahead of her time. He said she expanded the possibilities for composing songs at the piano by her erratic time and signature changes. Apparently this was hitherto unknown in pop music and it had a profound influence on him. It was great to hear him speak about his work. He was very complimentary of many American artists of the early 70's; there was even a brief Joni mention. Anyhow, I've always held a soft spot in my heart for Laura Nyro. Truly an original artist. I'm so grateful to have seen her perform live, solo at her keyboard, in a small venue in Marrin county in 1990. I'll never forget it. Michael in Quebec NP: Emma-Lee - Never Just a Dream _________________________________________________________________ Experience all of the new features, and Reconnect with your life. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650730 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Laura Nyro (NJC) hi Michael, I watched (spectacular) Spectacle too, thrilled to bits that it is now airing in Canada. Sir Elton was wonderful, the show very well produced all round. Elton's obvious affection for the Laura Nyro was moving. Elton and Elvis seem to be the best of friends, and that made it even more enjoyable. Many wonderful insights into the music scene. Elton did mention Joni, I forget in what context just now. a quick pan to the audience, Diana Krall was there, beaming. And speaking of the audience, most attentive, seemed to take in every ounce of what was going on before them.I know we were. Looking forward to Sting *swoon* and the Police, on tonight. Mags - --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Michael O'Malley wrote: From: Michael O'Malley Subject: Re: Laura Nyro (NJC) To: nyro_in_detroit@comcast.net, anima_rising@yahoo.ca, joni@smoe.org Received: Friday, April 10, 2009, 9:36 AM I saw on TV last week (CTV) the new Elvis Costello interview show called Spectacle. It is scheduled to air soon in the US on the Sundance channel. I believe it is already available in the UK on Channel 4. Anyway, the first week's guest was Sir Elton (producer of this series). He spoke very candidly about his early mentors and influences, most notably, Leon Russell. He was especially generous with his praise of Laura Nyro, who he credited as being a ground-breaking artist, ahead of her time. He said she expanded the possibilities for composing songs at the piano by her erratic time and signature changes. Apparently this was hitherto unknown in pop music and it had a profound influence on him. It was great to hear him speak about his work. He was very complimentary of many American artists of the early 70's; there was even a brief Joni mention. Anyhow, I've always held a soft spot in my heart for Laura Nyro. Truly an original artist. I'm so grateful to have seen her perform live, solo at her keyboard, in a small venue in Marrin county in 1990. I'll never forget it. Michael in Quebec NP: Emma-Lee - Never Just a Dream _________________________________________________________________ Experience all of the new features, and Reconnect with your life. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650730 __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:47:34 +0000 From: "anon anon " Subject: Not everyone will like you... njc Maybe its better to be disliked or hated for being who you are then to be loved or liked for being who you are not... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:00:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Not everyone will like you... njc I would say "true 'dat". Em - --- On Fri, 4/10/09, anon anon wrote: From: anon anon Subject: Not everyone will like you... njc To: "joni@smoe.org " Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 10:47 AM Maybe its better to be disliked or hated for being who you are then to be loved or liked for being who you are not... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:17:00 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonatha & kd NJC I am so jealous. I want to see J-Bro bad. I would have loved to see Phyliss as well. What a great weekend of music! BTW you can go in hot tubs without bathing suits. Paz On Apr 10, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Bob Muller wrote: Just wanted to jot down a couple of quick reviews from the last two nights of great live music...Wednesday night Mrs SCJoniguy & I went up to Ashevilleto see Jonatha Brooke at the Grey Eagle, which would have been wonderful in itself, but the fact that we got to hang with Phyliss Ward and her husband Bob and other friends & family made it a truly unforgettable night. Hadn't seen Phyliss since Pazfest but of course as it is with JMDLer's it was just like yesterday when we were together. They live in this amazing mountain home, full of art, Joni and other miscellaneous beauty. Next time I'm bringing my swimsuit and we can check out the hot tub! Anyway, on to the show - we got there early, and listened to Jonatha's sound check while we were eating dinner. Phyliss had prepared a gift basket for her, knowing her love of chocolate and such, and presented it to her. Jonatha came out and hung out with us a bit, we got some pics and conversation, what a sincerely sweet & kind person. We all sat right up front for the show - it was not a large crowd but it was a very appreciative and responsive crowd, and Jonatha seemed touched by the response she got as she played 6-7 songs from her new (excellent) album "The Works". She played many others from her catalogue of course, playing guitar & piano and every song had a story and/or other comments that went along with it. One of my favorite moments was "Deny" a song she wrote from a film that was not used. A beautiful and moving song that brought a bit of water to the eyes. Thanks again to Phyliss and Bob for their hospitality - I promise it won't take 9 years for us to hang out again. Last night I took my Mother-In-Law to see k.d. lang at The Peace Center here in town. It's an amazing venue for music as the acoustics are to die for. I thought the show was slow getting momentum, but after a couple of songs she seemed more relaxed and comfortable and started cutting loose. As I don't have any of her albums I wasn't familiar with most of what she sang except for her selections from "Songs Of The 49th Parallel"; she did "Helpless", "The Valley" (a gorgeous Jane Siberry song), and a wonderful "Hallelujah" which got her the first of several standing ovations. Her voice is simply a thing of wonder, her range, her ability to emote and the way she uses the microphone and builds emotional momentum through a song - I was in awe. She had a great band, 5 virtuosos who all played a variety of things, and her ability to jump from jazz to pop to bluegraa to country and back again was seamless. She had a great rapport with the audience and was having a good time - she came back out for two encores, closing with a tender "A Kiss To Build A Dream On". It was an unforgettable night. Happy Friday Hippies! Bob NP: Sam Cooke, "Somebody Have Mercy" Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Not everyone will like you... njc Perhaps, but if NOBODY likes you then you may want to consider making some changes. Bob NP: Grandaddy, "I'm On Standby" - ----- Original Message ---- From: anon anon To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:47:34 AM Subject: Not everyone will like you... njc Maybe its better to be disliked or hated for being who you are then to be loved or liked for being who you are not... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:56:43 +0000 From: "anon anon " Subject: Re: Not everyone will like you... njc thankfully i can say that some people do like and love me... - -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:37:46 am To: icnh@hotmail.com;joni@smoe.org From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Not everyone will like you... njc Perhaps, but if NOBODY likes you then you may want to consider making some changes. Bob NP: Grandaddy, "I'm On Standby" - ----- Original Message ---- From: anon anon To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:47:34 AM Subject: Not everyone will like you... njc Maybe its better to be disliked or hated for being who you are then to be loved or liked for being who you are not... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jonatha & kd NJC I know that & I have been there, done that. But not with the Mrs...married 25 years & I still haven't seen her nekkid. Oh, and we did drop your name to Jonatha - she said to tell you hello. And speaking of name-dropping, David Wilcox was sitting right next to us at the show - I felt like Kakki in LA surrounded by celebs! Ha. I was hoping she'd call him up and they'd do some spontaneous duet, but it didn't happen. Wish you could have been there, we had a large time. Bob NP: Pentangle, "So Clear" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Not everyone will like you... njc That's great - all you gotta do is keep on keepin' on then. Like Joni says "you can't please 'em all, there's always someone callin' you down". Bob NP: Pentangle, "Sweet Child" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:33:30 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Joni mention in a review OK. So it is in my review of Dust (Staub.) It begins We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon. So wrote Joni Mitchell in her Woodstock anthem 40 years ago. See the whole review here: http://libweb.lib.buffalo.edu/emro/emroDetail.asp?Number=3581 - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:33:37 -0400 From: "Phyliss Ward" Subject: RE: Jonatha & kd NJC Paz, you can sit in our hot tub anytime, anyhow.. ;-) And Bob, I'm gonna hold you and the Mrs. To the more frequent visits thing. Bob (Ward), and the miscellaneous friends and family at the concert enjoyed meeting you. J-Bro was better than amazing. I had seen her 3x in CA but she has evolved beyond. Her banter was absolutely hilarious.even imitating Elton John (who apparently it sucks to be) and Sarah Palin (who it sucks even worse to be) to a "T". "Deny" was my sole song request at intermission and she apologized after that she "screwed it up" because she hadn't played it in a while. So, if her screw-up was Bob's favorite, well..you can imagine how good she was. Phyliss, back to lurkdom. From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:17 AM To: Bob Muller Cc: JMDL; psward@charter.net Subject: Re: Jonatha & kd NJC I am so jealous. I want to see J-Bro bad. I would have loved to see Phyliss as well. What a great weekend of music! BTW you can go in hot tubs without bathing suits. Paz On Apr 10, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Bob Muller wrote: Just wanted to jot down a couple of quick reviews from the last two nights of great live music...Wednesday night Mrs SCJoniguy & I went up to Ashevilleto see Jonatha Brooke at the Grey Eagle, which would have been wonderful in itself, but the fact that we got to hang with Phyliss Ward and her husband Bob and other friends & family made it a truly unforgettable night. Hadn't seen Phyliss since Pazfest but of course as it is with JMDLer's it was just like yesterday when we were together. They live in this amazing mountain home, full of art, Joni and other miscellaneous beauty. Next time I'm bringing my swimsuit and we can check out the hot tub! Anyway, on to the show - we got there early, and listened to Jonatha's sound check while we were eating dinner. Phyliss had prepared a gift basket for her, knowing her love of chocolate and such, and presented it to her. Jonatha came out and hung out with us a bit, we got some pics and conversation, what a sincerely sweet & kind person. We all sat right up front for the show - it was not a large crowd but it was a very appreciative and responsive crowd, and Jonatha seemed touched by the response she got as she played 6-7 songs from her new (excellent) album "The Works". She played many others from her catalogue of course, playing guitar & piano and every song had a story and/or other comments that went along with it. One of my favorite moments was "Deny" a song she wrote from a film that was not used. A beautiful and moving song that brought a bit of water to the eyes. Thanks again to Phyliss and Bob for their hospitality - I promise it won't take 9 years for us to hang out again. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:05:40 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Jonatha & kd NJC She is amazing. I saw her in a club in Clearwater right after the 10 Cent Wings release. Cost 12 bucks to get in. Best 12 bucks I ever spent. Jerry (recovering from the Lady Gaga concert. It made an Elton John concert look like a caged UFC event.) On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Phyliss Ward wrote: > Paz, you can sit in our hot tub anytime, anyhow.. ;-) > > And Bob, I'm gonna hold you and the Mrs. To the more frequent visits thing. > Bob (Ward), and the miscellaneous friends and family at the concert enjoyed > meeting you. > > J-Bro was better than amazing. I had seen her 3x in CA but she has evolved > beyond. Her banter was absolutely hilarious.even imitating Elton John (who > apparently it sucks to be) and Sarah Palin (who it sucks even worse to be) > to a "T". > > "Deny" was my sole song request at intermission and she apologized after > that she "screwed it up" because she hadn't played it in a while. So, if > her screw-up was Bob's favorite, well..you can imagine how good she was. > > Phyliss, back to lurkdom. > > > > From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:17 AM > To: Bob Muller > Cc: JMDL; psward@charter.net > Subject: Re: Jonatha & kd NJC > > > > I am so jealous. I want to see J-Bro bad. I would have loved to see Phyliss > as well. What a great weekend of music! BTW you can go in hot tubs without > bathing suits. > > > > Paz > > > > On Apr 10, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > > > > Just wanted to jot down a couple of quick reviews from the last two nights > of great live music...Wednesday night Mrs SCJoniguy & I went up to > Ashevilleto see Jonatha Brooke at the Grey Eagle, which would have been > wonderful in itself, but the fact that we got to hang with Phyliss Ward and > her husband Bob and other friends & family made it a truly unforgettable > night. > Hadn't seen Phyliss since Pazfest but of course as it is with JMDLer's it > was just like yesterday when we were together. They live in this amazing > mountain home, full of art, Joni and other miscellaneous beauty. Next time > I'm bringing my swimsuit and we can check out the hot tub! > Anyway, on to the show - we got there early, and listened to Jonatha's > sound > check while we were eating dinner. Phyliss had prepared a gift basket for > her, knowing her love of chocolate and such, and presented it to her. > Jonatha came out and hung out with us a bit, we got some pics and > conversation, what a sincerely sweet & kind person. > We all sat right up front for the show - it was not a large crowd but it > was > a very appreciative and responsive crowd, and Jonatha seemed touched by the > response she got as she played 6-7 songs from her new (excellent) album > "The > Works". She played many others from her catalogue of course, playing guitar > & piano and every song had a story and/or other comments that went along > with it. One of my favorite moments was "Deny" a song she wrote from a film > that was not used. A beautiful and moving song that brought a bit of water > to the eyes. > Thanks again to Phyliss and Bob for their hospitality - I promise it won't > take 9 years for us to hang out again. > - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Billy Bobbed! (njc) follow up notes http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/616601 for those of you who are interested in this story, here are some follow up from the toronto star in response to the cbc interview with BB and his boy band. apparently, . bb's band was at massey hall last night, (got boo'd and heckled..what the hell did he expect???... anyway here's what happened when he tried to "explain" his side of the story. it seems that there has been a lot dander raised over bb's comments, a great deal of exception taken to it in general, including calling Jian Ghomeshi an a-hole. Ive worked on a show with him (Ghomeshi) and he's a sweet guy. Mags __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:18:57 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha & kd NJC What a lucky guy, Bob! Two wonderful concerts, plus you got to see Phyliss again. I think Pazfest was the last time I saw her too (Hi Ceramic Queen). Thanks for posting about the concerts. Why doesn't Ft. Myers get performers like that? We have Yanni performing tomorrow night. YIKES. Happy Weekend Everyone, and for those who haven't downloaded the lastest covers, DO IT. It's fantastic. Jimmy ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:53:50 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Court and Spark release date? I was going to add my memories of Joni's January 29, 1974 concert at Constitution Hall, and I checked trhe release date for Cour and Spark which is listed as April 1974: http://jonimitchell.com/music/album.cfm?id=7 But this can't be right. It was released in January. Dylan's Planet Waves was released January 17, 1974 (my 19th birthday) and I believe Court & Spark was released the same day. I do remember I bought them both at the same time and that I had already listened to C & S before I saw the concert on the 29th. I also recall that Planet Waves was disappointing to me and that I kept C & S on the turntable instead. Can anyone confirm the exact release date: These were the first three releases on the newly consolidated Elektra/Asylum: Asylum 7E/EQ 1001 - Court And Spark - Joni Mitchell [1974] Elektra 7E/EQ 1002 - Hotcakes - Carly Simon [1974] Asylum 7E/EQ 1003 - Planet Waves - Bob Dylan With The Band [1974] Richard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re: Billy Bobbed! njc Subject: Billy Bobbed! (njc) Reckon this could become a generic term - as in "He got Billy Bobbed" - for a celebrity who gives the interviewer a really really hard time - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJWS6qyy7bw very best PaulC And Mr. Billy Bob, when asked if music was his first love or something like that, said "would you ask Tom Petty that question." Billy Bob Thornton, you're NO TOM PETTY! Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:42:34 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Court and Spark release date? Sheila Weller in *Girls Like Us*, p. 416, has it being released in January '74. Weller also mentions *Planet Waves*. Here's a link (I can't remember how to do that tiny url thing) to Jon Landau's RS review of February 28th, '74. And if that's not sufficient, one could always contact Joel Bernstein. ;-) T http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/jonimitchell/albums/album/242711/review/19519866/court_and_spark On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > I was going to add my memories of Joni's January 29, 1974 concert at > Constitution Hall, and I checked trhe release date for Cour and Spark which > is listed as April 1974: > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/album.cfm?id=7 > > > > But this can't be right. It was released in January. Dylan's Planet Waves > was released January 17, 1974 (my 19th birthday) and I believe Court & > Spark > was released the same day. I do remember I bought them both at the same > time and that I had already listened to C & S before I saw the concert on > the 29th. I also recall that Planet Waves was disappointing to me and that > I kept C & S on the turntable instead. > > > > Can anyone confirm the exact release date: > > > > These were the first three releases on the newly consolidated > Elektra/Asylum: > > > > Asylum 7E/EQ 1001 - Court And Spark - Joni Mitchell [1974] > > > > Elektra 7E/EQ 1002 - Hotcakes - Carly Simon [1974] > > > > Asylum 7E/EQ 1003 - Planet Waves - Bob Dylan With The Band [1974] > > > > Richard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:20:01 -0400 From: Subject: Billy Bobbed (njc) Wow, what a rare piece of ...art he is! ;-) I thought Jian handled him very well. It's been all over the news down here, too, and everyone has had the same reactions. Some do think he was trying to get publicity by being negative and others think he has been smoking too much. Too bad some people have to act so damn arrogant. I am a charter member of the new Grammy Museum in downtown L.A. I have been invited to some amazing concerts in their small 200 seat theater but have been too busy to attend any of them. But I received notice the other day that old Billy Bob and band are going to be playing there on April 23rd. I thought it might be fun - especially to hear him cover the Beatles and Chad & Jeremy. I think I will still go and perhaps can give you all a juicy update. ;-) I need to check out the Joni exhibit there, too, and give a report. Happy Easter and Passover to those who celebrate. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:22:46 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Tin Angel and Clouds - now njc i've told anita this many times, but this is a definite me too. this is one of the most beautiful moments i ever experienced at a jonifest (and i've had a great many beautiful moments). i've certainly been through a lot of change since that fest, and my understanding of fear had changed. i've come to believe that one of the deepest parts of my spiritual journey is finding the right relationship with fear in my life. having fear be right-sized. i used to think that fear had no place in my life. not that i wasn't afraid of anything; just that it didn't have anything with how i lived my life. i _chose_ not to do certain things, because i was independent and in charge of my life. then i began to see how fear was threaded through my life, from a child, fear of abandonment, of change, and as an adult, fear of intimacy, fear of abandonment. i became aware a long time ago how pathological my fear of death was, but a lot of the other fears didn't really come into focus until i got sober. but then, for awhile, i was just riddled with fear. or just way too aware of how deeply fear drove me. i didn't know how to move forward, and i couldn't take anything to ease the fear. no temporary courage, no temporary forgetting. and of course there's shame. it's shameful to be fearful. but i saw people around me, who admitted quite bluntly how fearful they were, who nonetheless moved forward, through fearful things. they dated, got married, got divorced, nursed sick and dying parents and friends. they performed, despite crippling fears. they became parents, despite years of believing they weren't worthy. they did challenging volunteer work. they talked to brothers and sisters they hadn't spoken to in years. they showed up day after day at jobs they didn't love, and worked willingly and cheerfully, because they knew that was the right thing to do, at that time in their lives. they moved through life with grace. something i felt, much of the time, unable to do. and they told me that they had felt, for most of their lives, just as ungraceful and misfitted as i did. i believed them. and they talked about fear. as i've been growing, i've started to do some of the things i've been terrified of. with, i guess, a little bit of grace. this isn't just recovery, though that's where my journey has begun. i've started to be much more aware of people who are attempting to grow spiritually. i talk and listen, and observe, and one thing i see a lot is that people who are on a spiritual journey seem to move gracefully. they don't leave a trail of chaos behind them. what a concept. but no one does it by just pretending that fear doesn't exist. you can't walk around it or wish it away. but, tend to your spirit a while, and fears aren't quite so large, and they have less power. i think that moment when anita got up and sang was a spiritual landmark. something healed in her spirit a bit. but she had to face a fear, walk through it, and because she did, we all got to share that beautiful moment. this is, of course, just my take on that moment. i would never have thought it through so deeply in the past (heck, i didn't even get sober until 2004). it's just amazing that one person can make a decision to get up and play a scary song and affect so many people. patrick np - joni, hana - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Anita Tedder Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:20 PM To: 'Joni List' Subject: Re: Tin Angel and Clouds 'I think I understand. Fear is like a wilderland' Playing that song at Full Moon and hearing voices joining in on the chorus was one of the best, most healing moments of my life. I continue to give thanks that I was able to hear voices singing along to a song that had been part of such a frightening experience but expresses understanding, healing and growth. Well, least that's how I see it. The song says so much for me and figures very high in my personal Joni Top Ten songs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:16:29 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: Joni Mitchell's 3 mystical books... I just love the interview with Joni called "the education of Joni Mitchell", where she talks about reading 3 books: "The disorderly mind","the painted word", and I forget the other book... Joni talks about how reading is sometimes a mystical process, that she feels like she is *meant* to read a paticular passage from certain books, at a paticular time, and connect them with each other... this is what happened to Joni with these 3 books... this is so interesting... In a way, on one level, it sounds farfetched and terribly simplistic, and it probably is... yet, on another level, there have been many times in my life when I've had what seemed to me to be mysterious, mystical experiances... I always believe during these times, that it is much more then a coincidence... who knows, maybe there really is a lot more to "life" then we know... _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Upda tes1_042009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: RE: Tin Angel and Clouds - now njc cherished patrick, you are one of the most kind, courageous people i know. you sat with me in the middle of the night, shortly after my brother died, when it was me who was frightened; and feeling terribly lost and alone; you may not have known then, but you helped me to see things as they really were in my life.. patrick dear, . we didnt even know each other all that well, and yet you said yes, you would be there for me and you were. you met me at grand central station and stayed with me and sent me on my way, safely, with kindness and respect. you have no idea how much of an impact that night had on me, that gesture helped me to move toward becoming the strong person i am today, as well as gaining the insight to see that i deserved much, much more than i was being dished on a daily basis. you helped me take that road less traveled. i love you for this, and you deserve a medal. your post is beautiful, i always enjoy reading your words. i learn something every time you post. love, mags - --- On Fri, 4/10/09, patrick leader wrote: From: patrick leader Subject: RE: Tin Angel and Clouds - now njc To: "Anita Tedder" , "'Joni List'" Received: Friday, April 10, 2009, 9:22 PM i've told anita this many times, but this is a definite me too. this is one of the most beautiful moments i ever experienced at a jonifest (and i've had a great many beautiful moments). i've certainly been through a lot of change since that fest, and my understanding of fear had changed. i've come to believe that one of the deepest parts of my spiritual journey is finding the right relationship with fear in my life. having fear be right-sized. i used to think that fear had no place in my life. not that i wasn't afraid of anything; just that it didn't have anything with how i lived my life. i _chose_ not to do certain things, because i was independent and in charge of my life. then i began to see how fear was threaded through my life, from a child, fear of abandonment, of change, and as an adult, fear of intimacy, fear of abandonment. i became aware a long time ago how pathological my fear of death was, but a lot of the other fears didn't really come into focus until i got sober. but then, for awhile, i was just riddled with fear. or just way too aware of how deeply fear drove me. i didn't know how to move forward, and i couldn't take anything to ease the fear. no temporary courage, no temporary forgetting. and of course there's shame. it's shameful to be fearful. but i saw people around me, who admitted quite bluntly how fearful they were, who nonetheless moved forward, through fearful things. they dated, got married, got divorced, nursed sick and dying parents and friends. they performed, despite crippling fears. they became parents, despite years of believing they weren't worthy. they did challenging volunteer work. they talked to brothers and sisters they hadn't spoken to in years. they showed up day after day at jobs they didn't love, and worked willingly and cheerfully, because they knew that was the right thing to do, at that time in their lives. they moved through life with grace. something i felt, much of the time, unable to do. and they told me that they had felt, for most of their lives, just as ungraceful and misfitted as i did. i believed them. and they talked about fear. as i've been growing, i've started to do some of the things i've been terrified of. with, i guess, a little bit of grace. this isn't just recovery, though that's where my journey has begun. i've started to be much more aware of people who are attempting to grow spiritually. i talk and listen, and observe, and one thing i see a lot is that people who are on a spiritual journey seem to move gracefully. they don't leave a trail of chaos behind them. what a concept. but no one does it by just pretending that fear doesn't exist. you can't walk around it or wish it away. but, tend to your spirit a while, and fears aren't quite so large, and they have less power. i think that moment when anita got up and sang was a spiritual landmark. something healed in her spirit a bit. but she had to face a fear, walk through it, and because she did, we all got to share that beautiful moment. this is, of course, just my take on that moment. i would never have thought it through so deeply in the past (heck, i didn't even get sober until 2004).. it's just amazing that one person can make a decision to get up and play a scary song and affect so many people. patrick np - joni, hana - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Anita Tedder Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:20 PM To: 'Joni List' Subject: Re: Tin Angel and Clouds 'I think I understand. Fear is like a wilderland' Playing that song at Full Moon and hearing voices joining in on the chorus was one of the best, most healing moments of my life. I continue to give thanks that I was able to hear voices singing along to a song that had been part of such a frightening experience but expresses understanding, healing and growth. Well, least that's how I see it. The song says so much for me and figures very high in my personal Joni Top Ten songs. __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #115 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------