From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #90 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 18 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 090 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: wendy and lisa [Mark-Leon Thorne ] NJC A weekend full of music & memories ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: NJC A weekend full of music & memories [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Mayan for sale [Paul Castle ] Robin and Dave's concert [Susan Glumac ] Re: Mayan for sale NJC [Em ] RE: 92 different tunings [Susan E McNamara ] now Translating Joni Is Not East, was Cover [Rian Afriadi ] Paddy [Mike Pritchard ] RE: Paddy NJC [Mike Pritchard ] Re: Paddy [Mags ] Re: 92 different tunings (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: Mayan for sale ["Randy Remote" ] NJC - XRT Radio Chicago - Today ["Cassy" ] re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni ["Michael O'Mall] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Lieve Reckers <] The Same Situation [Dave Blackburn ] njc [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Same Situation [Michael Paz ] Re: njc [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:26:37 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: wendy and lisa Interesting. There isn't a Joni cover on it. Mark in Sydney NP White Flags of Winter Chimneys (sample) - Wendy and Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:56:57 -0000 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: NJC A weekend full of music & memories Bob, what a fabulous week- end. I almost felt like I was there. It always strikes me how wonderful that Joni Mitchell's music has led to so many friendships and so much other good music! Like your report of Christmas, it sounds like your family get togethers can be great fun and to share the music and have such a blast.....well, I wish I was there, Lots of love Anita _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1397 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:33:58 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: 92 different tunings Sue McNamara wrote: >Hey thanks to Raffaelle for the beauty of the site, but you are being too modest, Les. >That nerdy programming has made access to the guitar/piano tab site one of the >best I've ever come across. Have to wholeheartedly agree with Sue on this - and to thank 'her' for originally conceiving and designing this amazing archive - 166 different songs in 92 different tunings - incredible! Thanks so much to 'all' involved. I recently discovered a great complementary site - an online tuner - which I find really useful - see http://www.get-tuned.com/guitar_tuner.php It has presets for quite a few of the most common D, C and G open tunings but it is easy to set up each string to a specific note for the more unusual ones. I recently spent some time in Hejira tuning, for example - CGDFGC - the generic tuning (ie x77325) is great once your low C is in tune - used in conjunction with the online tuner it is really easy. very best PaulC PS the same site also has online tuners for Mandolin, 12-Sting Guitar, Banjo, Ukelele, bass guitar, violin, viola and cello - see http://www.get-tuned.com/online_tuners.php ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:51:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC A weekend full of music & memories Well, if you were, it would make it all the more fun! I feel very fortunate to have grown up with that sense of fun, and am also very fortunate now to have the resources to live my life to my liking, and best of all to have so many friends to share it with. 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There, at a narrow dock, running parallel to the land, tied like a white ermine queen draped upon her throne, sat the Mayan. She was, and still is, a 73 foot long, two masted schooner, of great beauty and grace of line. A wooden ship, with her mast reaching up into the starry night, almost cleaving the small boat clouds drifting. David stood smiling, looking at her, looking at us, his eyes glistening with rapturous happiness. He sprinted on board and sat in the hammock he had strung between the main and foremast. He sat right in the middle of this majestic architecture like a fluffy headed Christ Child in the cradling arms of his queen mother. And with eyes still glistening joy, he said, "I still can't believe this is real!!! Peter Tork just gave me twenty-five thousand dollars! He just said take it and buy her! It was a steal for that price, but I didn't have it, and he just gave it to me, without signing anything; without a word about paying him back! Man, that's what it's all about! We're making all our dreams come true! Just keep dreaming real hard, and it just comes true! It's real magic!" Then he looked up at her mast, following her lines to the stern, and back up and over to her bowsprit, like he was adoring the look of a woman, and quietly said, "Isn't she beautiful? God, I love her so much. I can't believe how beautiful she is, and she's mine." At that moment, I didn't realize it would be just a few short days before I'd see those glistening eyes again, and hear him say those tender words again; and the "she" to which he would then refer, would be a vessel more graceful, and sea worthy, than any he had yet to dream. >>>>> The article says "To be continued with Part 2" - unfortunately I couldn't find that but I did find a stream of one of her songs - 'The Lady You Lost' - here http://www.muzlink.com/artist0006697.code According to this page, "The book, Girls Like Us has been optioned for a large screen movie, and Estrella has been asked to contribute even more insights for the silver screen. very best PaulC PS Found some photos of Mayan here http://snipurl.com/mayan_photos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:16:08 -0800 From: Susan Glumac Subject: Robin and Dave's concert Hello everyone, Talk about magic. Attended Robin Adler's and Dave Blackburn's Sunday concert at the sculpture garden in Leucadia, CA. Perfect weather, fabulous setting and the music was better than ever. Attended a concert of these two a few years ago and loved it, but this was over the top. All I can say is wow!!! Took a younger musician friend of mine and she told me it was the best concert - ever. If I closed my eyes (which I didn't, of course) I would have thought it was Joni in her prime. Robin was incarnating the soul and spirit of our beloved Joni. Band members Barnaby Finch (on keyboard) and Dave (?) rocked the house. My advice - but your ticket now for the Jonifest in September in Idylwild that they are hosting. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Mayan for sale NJC wow, I wonder why he's selling her. Loved looking at the pics, what a beauty. Thanks for sending that link! I sure wish someone would write a book or good detailed article all about the music scene that there seems to have been in south Florida over there on the east coast - like Coconut Grove etc. From what I gather many people were part of this over several years. thanks again, interesting stuff! Em - --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Paul Castle wrote: From: Paul Castle Subject: Mayan for sale To: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 8:04 AM Hearing that David Crosby is selling his "Wooden Ship" - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:33:44 -0400 From: Susan E McNamara Subject: RE: 92 different tunings Wow, cool site Paul!! Thanks for that. I'm setting up for a short set in May and I think I want to go with the Furry Sings the Blues generic tuning: x77354 which also plays Edith, Harry's House and Jericho. Ahhh mellow out!! Then a slight tune down to x77352 and you can encore with Talk to Me. :) Sue From: studio16a@googlemail.com [mailto:studio16a@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Paul Castle Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:34 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Susan E McNamara; lesirvin@gmail.com Subject: 92 different tunings Sue McNamara wrote: >Hey thanks to Raffaelle for the beauty of the site, but you are being too modest, Les. >That nerdy programming has made access to the guitar/piano tab site one of the >best I've ever come across. Have to wholeheartedly agree with Sue on this - and to thank 'her' for originally conceiving and designing this amazing archive - 166 different songs in 92 different tunings - incredible! Thanks so much to 'all' involved. I recently discovered a great complementary site - an online tuner - which I find really useful - see http://www.get-tuned.com/guitar_tuner.php It has presets for quite a few of the most common D, C and G open tunings but it is easy to set up each string to a specific note for the more unusual ones. I recently spent some time in Hejira tuning, for example - CGDFGC - the generic tuning (ie x77325) is great once your low C is in tune - used in conjunction with the online tuner it is really easy. very best PaulC PS the same site also has online tuners for Mandolin, 12-Sting Guitar, Banjo, Ukelele, bass guitar, violin, viola and cello - see http://www.get-tuned.com/online_tuners.php ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: now Translating Joni Is Not East, was Cover Mark (AUS) wrote : B Just like Bob, I find Joni's songs in other languages fascinating but, it's even more interesting to know how they have been translatedB and what changes were made. It would take a major talent to translateB one of her songs and maintain the same feeling that Joni created.B B Sometimes that is not even possible. >>> I translated some of Pablo Neruda's poems to indonesian easily, such as Puedo Escribir, etc (from english, of course, since I don't speak spanish). Most of my indonesian friends still find them beautiful. excerpt : Aku bisa menulis puisi tersedih malam ini. Menulis, seperti : bMalam penuh dengan bintang-bintang, dan bintang-bintang, biru, menggigil di kejauhan." Angin malam bergemuruh di langit dan menyanyi. I have tried to translate Joni's. But I'm never brave enough to publish it because I think I ruin the lyric. Kudos for those who succeed translating Joni's songs. Rian PS. Danillo Mono from Italy does some Joni translations to italian, check his facebook. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: 92 different tunings I just want to add my thanks to Les and Raffaele, to Sue and anyone else involved in the guitar chords pages. AND thanks to Paul for the very cool guitar (and other stringed instruments) tuning site. I would never have clued in to alternate tunings without you. Ages ago, when I was just starting to play guitar and wanted to play Joni music, despite being able to find standard tuning chords that sounded close, I could never figure out why it just didn't sound the same. Sue, that's a cool tuning if it's used for all those songs. - --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Susan E McNamara > Wow, cool site Paul!! Thanks for that. I'm setting up > for a short set in May > and I think I want to go with the Furry Sings the Blues > generic tuning: x77354 > which also plays Edith, Harry's House and Jericho. > Ahhh mellow out!! Then > a slight tune down to x77352 and you can encore with Talk > to Me. :) > > Sue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:07:05 +0100 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: Paddy Congrats to all the Patricks and Patricias out there in radio land. Slainte, mike in bcn np Elvis Costello - You belong to me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:09:06 +0100 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: RE: Paddy NJC Sorry, my last post is/was NJC. Just got a little carried away there thinking about tonight and forgot the tag. mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Paddy thank you... signed, who in real life is sometimes known as ......patricia, pat, patty, patiomeg, and so on :P Mags xx - --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Mike Pritchard wrote: From: Mike Pritchard Subject: Paddy To: "list" Received: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 12:07 PM Congrats to all the Patricks and Patricias out there in radio land. Slainte, mike in bcn np Elvis Costello - You belong to me __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:56:18 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: 92 different tunings (NJC) 92 different tunings ... Take one down, play it around ... 91 different tunings ... Sorry. It just popped into my head. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:10:12 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Mayan for sale Thanks for the article, Paul. There was a little blurb in Rolling Stone about it, too: "Want to own a piece of rock history? Got a million bucks? David Crosby's tricked-out 74 foot schooner, the Mayan, is up for sale! "I got it in'68, right after they'd thrown me out of the Byrds," says Crosby, who wrote dozens of songs on the boat, including CSN gems "Wooden Ships" and "Lee Shore." And the boat's four plush cabins have hosted royalty like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. Says Crosby, who once sailed it from Mexico to Hawaii, "She's just scrumptious." I wonder why he's selling it. I know he has had financial troubles in the not so distant past, but I would have thought that their frequent touring would have taken care of that. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:58:27 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: NJC - XRT Radio Chicago - Today Hi guys, Anyone who is in the Chicago area or near a computer with live streaming capability, My brother, Simon and The Freddy Jones Band will be airing at 5 P.M. EST today. Give them a listen if you get a chance. Cassy NP: Thin Lizzy - The Boys Are Back In Town If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:55:36 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni I do find this very strange too, especially considering that Joni and Daniel Levitin are good friends. He was a pannelist at the McGill symposium on Joni's work that was held when she got her honorary doctorat in Montreal a few years ago. He seems to know her very well, she played him music from Shine before it was released, etc. He has interviewed her at her home several times. He is also a great fan of Joni's, so I can't imagine that Joni would intentionaly snub him this way. Must be a mistake of some kind. Michael in Quebec Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:48:49 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni LOL--much ado . . . ! Okay, I checked this out, and here are my findings: The reviews/blurbs Lieve saw are on Amazon *UK, *and are about the paperback edition, which has not yet been released. I then looked for the original hardcover edition on Amazon *USA*. It's a different publisher, and the Joni "blurb" does not appear in the Amazon description. Using the *Search Inside This Book* feature, I found twelve Joni references in the Index, almost of all of which you can read in their entirety. (And if you "hover" over the pages that don't load, you can read the first sentence or so.) This is worth noting because *Joni was actually interviewed for the book,* and there's at least a 2-page recounting of the author's post-*Shine*, post-ballet conversation(s) with her. (This first edition was published August '08.) So, I suspect the so-called review or quote attributed to Joni in the UK review of the forthcoming paperback is a big typo gone bad. Thanks to Lieve for alerting us to this interesting-sounding book! T tp://www.amazon.com/World-Six-Songs-Musical-Created/dp/0525950737/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237076397&sr=1-1#reader On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mags wrote: > on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: > > Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon > about > the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 > reviews, > one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. > > > Joni's comment reads: "This is > the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The > idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back > - > I'm sorry! This is great!" *[This is from the Amazon UK description of the > paperback.]* > > now me: > > Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making > reference > to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. > > Mags _________________________________________________________________ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650734 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:12:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Well, she ends up saying she loves it, so it's not a snub really. A bit like a bad monologue by a stand-up comic. Maybe, after all, these really are Joni's words, they may be some sort of insider joke between her and Daniel Levithin - or maybe she was just in a silly mood. It happens to us all! Lieve in London ________________________________ From: Michael O'Malley To: lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk; joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 21:55:36 Subject: re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni I do find this very strange too, especially considering that Joni and Daniel Levitin are good friends. He was a pannelist at the McGill symposium on Joni's work that was held when she got her honorary doctorat in Montreal a few years ago. He seems to know her very well, she played him music from Shine before it was released, etc. He has interviewed her at her home several times. He is also a great fan of Joni's, so I can't imagine that Joni would intentionaly snub him this way. Must be a mistake of some kind. Michael in Quebec Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:48:49 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni LOL--much ado . . . ! Okay, I checked this out, and here are my findings: The reviews/blurbs Lieve saw are on Amazon *UK, *and are about the paperback edition, which has not yet been released. I then looked for the original hardcover edition on Amazon *USA*. It's a different publisher, and the Joni "blurb" does not appear in the Amazon description. Using the *Search Inside This Book* feature, I found twelve Joni references in the Index, almost of all of which you can read in their entirety. (And if you "hover" over the pages that don't load, you can read the first sentence or so.) This is worth noting because *Joni was actually interviewed for the book,* and there's at least a 2-page recounting of the author's post-*Shine*, post-ballet conversation(s) with her. (This first edition was published August '08.) So, I suspect the so-called review or quote attributed to Joni in the UK review of the forthcoming paperback is a big typo gone bad. Thanks to Lieve for alerting us to this interesting-sounding book! T tp://www.amazon.com/World-Six-Songs-Musical-Created/dp/0525950737/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237076397&sr=1-1#reader On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mags wrote: > on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: > > Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon > about > the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 > reviews, > one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. > > > Joni's comment reads: "This is > the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The > idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back > - > I'm sorry! This is great!" *[This is from the Amazon UK description of the > paperback.]* > > now me: > > Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making > reference > to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. > > Mags ________________________________ Tell the whole story with photos, right from your Messenger window. Learn how! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:39:54 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: The Same Situation Pianists, The piano chart of The Same Situation is now posted on the fab new website and is available for download. Please enjoy! thanks, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:35:01 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: njc This month marks ten years since I joined the community. JMDL is a valued part of my world so I just want to say I'm happy to be one of you. DAVID LAHM **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc Happy anniversary, David! Time flies, doesn't it? - --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Dflahm@aol.com wrote: This month marks ten years since I joined the community. JMDL is a valued part of my world so I just want to say I'm happy to be one of you. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:23:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The Same Situation Oh if I could only read. Great effort on ya. On Mar 17, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: Pianists, The piano chart of The Same Situation is now posted on the fab new website and is available for download. Please enjoy! thanks, Dave Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:23:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: njc Happy Anniversary! Hope to see you in NYC between 3/30 and 4/5 at the Blue Note Luv Paz On Mar 17, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Dflahm@aol.com wrote: This month marks ten years since I joined the community. JMDL is a valued part of my world so I just want to say I'm happy to be one of you. DAVID LAHM **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #90 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------