From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #88 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 16 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 088 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's Next Album and Holes in Your Head [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Joni in the New Yorker [est86mlm@ameritech.net] SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Could be interesting [Gerald Notaro ] Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni [Cindy Vickery ] Re: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 now njc [Catherine McKay ] NJC A weekend full of music & memories [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni in the New Yorker [Deb Messling ] Re: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni [Mags ] Re: wendy and lisa [Mags ] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Dan Olson ] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Mags ] pronunciation question [Mike Pritchard ] Re: pronunciation question NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [T Peckham ] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Lieve Reckers <] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Lieve Reckers <] Re: wendy and lisa [kjhsf@aol.com] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [T Peckham ] Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image [Vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:09:01 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Joni's Next Album and Holes in Your Head Hi Paul. I'm so pleased no tumours were found. Let me tell you, as a Nurse, a hole in your brain is way better than a growth. You dodged a bullet. I do hope you are on the road to wellness. As for Joni's next album, the deal with Hear Music was for two albums so, I expect there will be another release this year sometime. I've heard nothing official but usually with deals like this, they are spaced out by a year. Take care. Mark in Sydney (New South WALES) NP Great Southern Land (Great Southern Mix) - Icehouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:17:22 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Thanks so much for translating some of these lyrics back again for us, Marion. I find this fascinating. I would never have known the difference. It's more like a reinterpretation than a cover. it really does change the whole atmosphere of the song. That's what Joni's lyrics are really all about; creating a picture with words and a feeling. Ulf seems to have created an entirely different picture, almost a new song. Just like Bob, I find Joni's songs in other languages fascinating but, it's even more interesting to know how they have been translated and what changes were made. It would take a major talent to translate one of her songs and maintain the same feeling that Joni created. Sometimes that is not even possible. Thanks again for your insights. Mark in Sydney NP No Promises - Icehouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:17:25 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni in the New Yorker Vince, Excellent & thoughtful insight. http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=32K4L1GUT7NT8MWAKM783M0176HSAKQB&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-cbpromo&sid=128351&did=4 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:20:30 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Thanks, Mark (and Bob and Catherine) for bearing with me and even appreciating my info on the translation. Yes, Mark, it turns out to be a different song, and what makes it strange, besides the different meaning, is that the Swedish lyrics just do not fit the music. - I heard from Rob (thank you, Rob), that Ulf Lundell covered another of Joni's songs, apparently to be found in Bob's cover volume 83. I'm going to check it out. - I know it must be extremely difficult to translate Joni's lyrics, I wouldn't even dare to try although I have done translations for a living, and still do sometimes. It bugs me that people make money off such badly translated lyrics! It's close to being an insult to the artist, imo. And to her fans as well, in this case her Swedish fans. But like Catherine says, it's always better to stick to the original language if you can. Even with the best of translations some meaning gets lost or changed. Still, you can do better or you can do worse - and this was definitely worse. Now, is anybody interested in the re-translation of the whole song? (Just kidding!). Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mark-Leon Thorne Skickat: den 16 mars 2009 09:17 Till: Marion Leffler Kopia: jmdl LIST Dmne: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Thanks so much for translating some of these lyrics back again for us, Marion. I find this fascinating. I would never have known the difference. It's more like a reinterpretation than a cover. it really does change the whole atmosphere of the song. That's what Joni's lyrics are really all about; creating a picture with words and a feeling. Ulf seems to have created an entirely different picture, almost a new song. Just like Bob, I find Joni's songs in other languages fascinating but, it's even more interesting to know how they have been translated and what changes were made. It would take a major talent to translate one of her songs and maintain the same feeling that Joni created. Sometimes that is not even possible. Thanks again for your insights. Mark in Sydney NP No Promises - Icehouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:25:29 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Oh, don't kid, Marion. I would love a full re-translation. As I said, I find this fascinating. I'd like to see just how twisted Ulf got the song. Does Chelsea even get a mention? Mark in Sydney On 16/03/2009, at 11:20 PM, Marion Leffler wrote: > Thanks, Mark (and Bob and Catherine) for bearing with me and even > appreciating my info on the translation. Yes, Mark, it turns out to > be a > different song, and what makes it strange, besides the different > meaning, is > that the Swedish lyrics just do not fit the music. - I heard from > Rob (thank > you, Rob), that Ulf Lundell covered another of Joni's songs, > apparently to > be found in Bob's cover volume 83. I'm going to check it out. - I > know it > must be extremely difficult to translate Joni's lyrics, I wouldn't > even dare > to try although I have done translations for a living, and still do > sometimes. It bugs me that people make money off such badly translated > lyrics! It's close to being an insult to the artist, imo. And to > her fans as > well, in this case her Swedish fans. But like Catherine says, it's > always > better to stick to the original language if you can. Even with the > best of > translations some meaning gets lost or changed. Still, you can do > better or > you can do worse - and this was definitely worse. > Now, is anybody interested in the re-translation of the whole song? > (Just > kidding!). > Marion > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr > Mark-Leon > Thorne > Skickat: den 16 mars 2009 09:17 > Till: Marion Leffler > Kopia: jmdl LIST > Dmne: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 > > Thanks so much for translating some of these lyrics back again for > us, Marion. I find this fascinating. I would never have known the > difference. It's more like a reinterpretation than a cover. it really > does change the whole atmosphere of the song. That's what Joni's > lyrics are really all about; creating a picture with words and a > feeling. Ulf seems to have created an entirely different picture, > almost a new song. > > Just like Bob, I find Joni's songs in other languages fascinating > but, it's even more interesting to know how they have been translated > and what changes were made. It would take a major talent to translate > one of her songs and maintain the same feeling that Joni created. > Sometimes that is not even possible. > > Thanks again for your insights. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP No Promises - Icehouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:38:02 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Could be interesting Reading of New Musical *Snow*, with Barzee, Cooper, Greene, Offered March 16 By *Andrew Gans* 16 Mar 2009 A by-invitation-only reading of the new musical *Snow* will be presented in Manhattan March 16. Devanand Janki directs a cast that boasts Anastasia Barzee, Michael Busillo, Brian Myers Cooper, Sevan Greene, F. Michael Haynie, Emma Hunton, Jason Robinson and Gabrielle Stravelli. *Snow* features book, music and lyrics by Sean Hartley. The musical, according to press notes, "tells the bittersweet, funny-sad story of self-discovery of Georgia, a romantic and determined young woman who is pregnant and unmarried, and her best friend, Raven, a young songwriter coming to terms with the fact he is gay. Inspired by Hans Christian Andersen's 'The Snow Queen,' but set in 1969 Greenwich Village, the eventful year that includes the Stonewall Riots, Woodstock and the first moon walk, * Snow* has a guitar based folk-rock score inspired by Joni Mitchell, James Taylor et al." Jihwan Kim is musical director. Dan Acquisto is featured on percussion with Alec Berlin on guitar. - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:09:10 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni Old news, but new to me... I heard this on my satellite radio over the weekend, from "The Essential Kris Kristofferson," released 03/2004: ___________________ "I dig Bobby Dylan and I dig Johnny Cash And I think Waylon Jennings is a table thumpin' smash And hearin' Joni Mitchell feels as good as smokin' grass And if you don't like Hank Williams, honey, you can kiss my ass Chorus: 'Cause I think what they've done is well worth doin' And they're doin' it the best way that they can You're the only one that you are screwin' When you put down what you don't understand" ___________________ I think Kristofferson is a song-writing genius, and it always makes me smile when I find out that people I'm crazy about are crazy about other people that I'm crazy about. :) Happy Monday, all - cindy _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker >>>Excellent & thoughtful insight. http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=32K4L1GUT7NT8MWAKM783M0176HSAKQB&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-cbpromo&sid=128351&did=4 Laura Like Vince, I've been a regular New Yorker reader for a long time, and I generally agree with all he said. I notice the paisley patterns in the clothing, and wondered if there might be a comment on baby boomers "hanging on to the past" (something EVERY generation does with age), but if there is any kidding going on, it's gentle, tongue-in-cheek kidding, not a nasty attack on anyone. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 now njc - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Marion Leffler wrote: > It bugs me that people make money off such badly > translated > lyrics! It's close to being an insult to the artist, > imo. I'm making this njc because now it is. In my first job after leaving school, I worked for a chintzy marketing company. They wanted me to translate some of their literature into French and I told them I'm not a translator and I can't do a good job of this, but they didn't care, and I did it and, of course, it sucked. I would have fought them on it and made them pay to have it translated by a professional but I was young and just out of school then, not the crusty, cranky old Philistine I am today. And I wouldn't do it even for a LOT of money, knowing I would do a bad job. But some people don't care. And of course, the company had some complaints, but only one or two, because, sadly, a lot of Francophones back then didn't expect any better from les maudits anglais and a lot of people probably didn't bother to read the literature either. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: wendy and lisa Out of lurkdom to ask: Has anyone listened to Wendy and Lisa's new album "White Flags of Winter Chimneys"? http://www.wendyandlisa.com/ Patti Haskins blog shop photos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:48:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC A weekend full of music & memories Just thought I'd give a quick rundown of the great weekend that just passed. Paz and band came into town Thursday and we hung out at The Handlebar Thursday night for food & beverages while Michael took care of getting a bass and making sure the piano was tuned. It was great to see the familiar faces in the Preservation Hall Jazz Band and to meet the new guys. They are so genuinely kind and easy to hang with. After dropping the band back off at the hotel, we headed back to my place for a nightcap and to allow Mrs SCJoniguy to bask in the Paz aura for a bit. She is still swooning, but that's another story. As my schedule would have it, Friday was my day off of work, so I was able to meet up with Michael, Clint, Mark and Charlie for a great lunch downtown at Chicora Alley. Lemme tell ya, when you are taking a group of New Orleans musicians out for food, the pressure is definitely on, because let's face it, they're from New Orleans! But I think the guys were pretty impressed with the spicy fresh Jamaican flair of Chicora. We had a great lunch and I gave them a quickie tour of the beautiful Reedy Falls Park area which is really lovely. The fellas had to head back to the hotel for a promo radio interview so I headed back to the house, just in time to meet up with Victor Victrola who had come up from Atlanta to see the show Friday night. Had a nice visit with him, and it was good to get caught up. He headed over to The Handlebar to meet up with Michael and to allow me some time for a nap after my late-night Thursday. We all met up again Friday night for the show - luckily the weather was dreary enough to encourage folks to stay indoors and there was a pretty good crowd there. I was there with my Dad and his wife, My wife and son, mother-in-law and another music buddy. From the first seconds of the opening number (a piano/trumpet duet), the PHJB had the audience eating out of their hands. I kept looking around at my crew and there were lots of smiles, tapping feet and thumbs ups. We were all having a great time. Mark had some large shoes to fill with the passing of John Brunious, but he has a genuine warmth, a great sound on his horn and a fine vocal style to match so he is a worthy successor. Of course, we jumped into the middle of the 'second line' and wound up on stage, dancing and clapping and generally getting into it pretty good. Thanks Michael and PHJB for a night of wonderful music that continues to live on and be renewed by each generation. After the show we headed back to Michael's suite for some jamming and singing with Paz, Victor, Sarah & Heather the merch girls, and my friend Don. We got pretty rowdy but never got a visit from the front desk telling us to turn down the noise...we must be losing our touch! Saturday Paz & band hit the road for WV and their next gig, I chilled most of the day and then headed up to Asheville Saturday night with my son to catch Ani Difranco at the Orange Peel. Like The Handlebar, this is a very intimate and acoustically solid hall so I was looking forward to the show. Toshi Reagon opened and we both liked her a lot. I remember that she played the Joni's Jazz concert in Central Park in 2000 and did a great job. Her set was a mere 5 songs - we were definitely wanting more but we were happy with what we got, and it was also wonderful that the show was not going to be a late-late nighter as we had a 1.5 hour drive home. Ani's set was wonderful; she had Ali on the drums & Todd Sickafoose on standup bass, and I like her live much better when she has a rhythm section to drive her along. As is typically the case, the prolific Ani brought about 4-5 NEW songs for the performance, including a great Obama song called "Yes, We Can" that she wrote November 5, and another funny song about promiscuity. She also went way back in her catalogue and pulled out "Untouchable Face" and a couple of other big crowd-pleasers like "Shameless" & "Fuel" (she substituted Barack Obama for "Tweedle Dumb" in the song). The crowd was great and so was the sound; my son & I commented that we could make out practically everything Ani was saying which is of course important with her songs. We were out of there and back on the road by 10:30 which was much easier than trying to make that trip starting at 2AM like we would for a DBT show. Luckily Sunday was a rainy day so I was able to get caught up with other non-musical stuff like resting, doing my taxes and watching some movies. Happy-Go-Lucky is another jewel in Mike Leigh's crown, I just love his work and thought Sally Hawkins' performance was one of the sexiest and funniest performances I've seen in a while. Pick this one up if you're into the flicks. Thanks again to Michael & Victor for coming my way and making it a memorable, musical weekend. Plus...I know what Victor's surprise is, and I ain't telling. Bob NP: M. Ward, "For Beginners" (one of 2009's best so far) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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He's a wonderful writer, and I love that bit in his song about Joni Mitchell. Not a pot smoker, me, but it did make me laugh out loud! ditto, I love it when I hear ... well...what you said. ;-) Mags - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Cindy Vickery wrote: From: Cindy Vickery Subject: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni To: joni@smoe.org Received: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:09 AM Old news, but new to me... I heard this on my satellite radio over the weekend, from "The Essential Kris Kristofferson," released 03/2004: ___________________ "I dig Bobby Dylan and I dig Johnny Cash And I think Waylon Jennings is a table thumpin' smash And hearin' Joni Mitchell feels as good as smokin' grass And if you don't like Hank Williams, honey, you can kiss my ass Chorus: 'Cause I think what they've done is well worth doin' And they're doin' it the best way that they can You're the only one that you are screwin' When you put down what you don't understand" ___________________ I think Kristofferson is a song-writing genius, and it always makes me smile when I find out that people I'm crazy about are crazy about other people that I'm crazy about. :) Happy Monday, all - cindy _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: wendy and lisa nice find there, Patti. Im listening to the music on the page now. Ive always and ever been blown away by that phrase, white flags of winter chimneys...delicious. I remain to this day, impressed by the sheer brilliance, the way in which Joni moves far and beyond the land of cliche, and lays down words in fresh ways..and so succinctly... she creates many an "aha" moment ... Mags watching the street outside my window being ripped apart. (such news lol) - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Mike and Patti Haskins wrote: From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: wendy and lisa To: "joni@smoe.org" Received: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:36 AM Out of lurkdom to ask: Has anyone listened to Wendy and Lisa's new album "White Flags of Winter Chimneys"? http://www.wendyandlisa.com/ Patti Haskins blog shop photos __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:31:05 -0500 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Is it too much to ask that if you are going to post a comment, you provide some context as to what you are writing about. In this particular case, what are you referring to? ~Dan On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Mags wrote: > > > From: Mags > > > > > I was surprised to read the comment too. Not that Im an > > expert whatsoever on > > the language of Joni Mitchell, but this just doesnt sound > > like it's her. > > > > Mags > > > > > > I read that quote a while ago, probably when I first saw the book, which > was some time in the fall when I went to a lecture that Levitan gave at the > U of T. He was also selling his books (I didn't buy one because you could > get it cheaper elsewhere). I remember thinking it didn't sound like > something Joni would say either. I can see her discussing that topic as > something you couldn't narrow down to six types, but not in that language. > Her words are generally a bit more eloquent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:36:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni It was a response to an earlier post by Lieve about Dan Levitan's book "the World in Six Songs" where Joni apparently was quoted saying the idea made her want to vomit (sorry, have deleted the original post, therefore may not be quoting accurately) and later changed her mind. - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Dan Olson wrote: From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni To: "Catherine McKay" Cc: "jonipeople LIST" , "Lieve Reckers" , "Mags" Received: Monday, March 16, 2009, 11:31 AM Is it too much to ask that if you are going to post a comment, you provide some context as to what you are writing about. In this particular case, what are you referring to? ~Dan On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Mags wrote: > From: Mags > > I was surprised to read the comment too. Not that Im an > expert whatsoever on > the language of Joni Mitchell, but this just doesnt sound > like it's her. > > Mags > > I read that quote a while ago, probably when I first saw the book, which was some time in the fall when I went to a lecture that Levitan gave at the U of T. He was also selling his books (I didn't buy one because you could get it cheaper elsewhere). I remember thinking it didn't sound like something Joni would say either. I can see her discussing that topic as something you couldn't narrow down to six types, but not in that language. Her words are generally a bit more eloquent. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Next Album and Holes in Your Head vljc I guess I missed the original post. I didn't know you could have a hole in your brain. Now I have another thing to be paranoid about. Paul, I wish you continued healing - that sounds very scary indeed. I hope Joni's next CD is NOT of the greatest hits or themed variety but includes a bunch of new stuff. I'm selfish that way. And I'm wondering why my yahoo emial has gone back to rich text, when I told it to use plain. - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Hi Paul. I'm so pleased no tumours were found. Let me tell you, as a Nurse, a hole in your brain is way better than a growth. You dodged a bullet. I do hope you are on the road to wellness. As for Joni's next album, the deal with Hear Music was for two albums so, I expect there will be another release this year sometime. I've heard nothing official but usually with deals like this, they are spaced out by a year. Take care. Mark in Sydney (New South WALES) NP Great Southern Land (Great Southern Mix) - Icehouse __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Music that makes you dumb http://musicthatmakesyoudumb.virgil.gr/ This has a listing of people comparing SAT scores to the music they listen to illustrated on a graph of sorts. It has entries from Facebook. Unfortunately no Joni on the list but still interesting. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon about the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 reviews, one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. Joni's comment reads: "This is the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back - I'm sorry! This is great!" now me: Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making reference to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. Mags __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:41:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Music that makes you dumb http://musicthatmakesyoudumb.virgil.gr/ Thanks for that, Monika - the results were pretty interesting if not predictable. Speaks to social stratification more than anything I would say. Like the writer says, correlation does not equal causation. You would find a similar chart if you were to compare favorite music with fried chicken consumption and at the end of the day it doesn't really mean much. I will comment that I don't care for the title of the website, it's the same argument that listening to Judas Priest or Ozzy will make you commit suicide. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Monkey In Your Soul" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:31:19 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni I may see Kris in concert next month!. I'm looking foward to it... > From: cindyvickery@hotmail.com > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:09:10 -0500 > > Old news, but new to me... > > I heard this on my satellite radio over the weekend, from "The Essential Kris > Kristofferson," released 03/2004: > > ___________________ > > > > "I dig Bobby Dylan and I dig Johnny Cash > And I think Waylon Jennings is a table thumpin' smash > And hearin' Joni Mitchell feels as good as smokin' grass > And if you don't like Hank Williams, honey, you can kiss my ass > > Chorus: > 'Cause I think what they've done is well worth doin' > And they're doin' it the best way that they can > You're the only one that you are screwin' > When you put down what you don't understand" > > ___________________ > > > > I think Kristofferson is a song-writing genius, and it always makes me smile > when I find out that people I'm crazy about are crazy about other people that > I'm crazy about. :) > > > > Happy Monday, all - > > cindy > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ > WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:56:31 +0100 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: pronunciation question Bernard Madoff's surname should be pronounced as in Made off, or as Mad off? Thanks, mike in bcn np Gram Parsons GP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:02:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: pronunciation question NJC Pronounced Mad-off. Should be Made-off though. 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Okay, I checked this out, and here are my findings: The reviews/blurbs Lieve saw are on Amazon *UK, *and are about the paperback edition, which has not yet been released. I then looked for the original hardcover edition on Amazon *USA*. It's a different publisher, and the Joni "blurb" does not appear in the Amazon description. Using the *Search Inside This Book* feature, I found twelve Joni references in the Index, almost of all of which you can read in their entirety. (And if you "hover" over the pages that don't load, you can read the first sentence or so.) This is worth noting because *Joni was actually interviewed for the book,* and there's at least a 2-page recounting of the author's post-*Shine*, post-ballet conversation(s) with her. (This first edition was published August '08.) So, I suspect the so-called review or quote attributed to Joni in the UK review of the forthcoming paperback is a big typo gone bad. Thanks to Lieve for alerting us to this interesting-sounding book! T tp://www.amazon.com/World-Six-Songs-Musical-Created/dp/0525950737/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237076397&sr=1-1#reader On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mags wrote: > on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: > > Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon > about > the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 > reviews, > one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. > > > Joni's comment reads: "This is > the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The > idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back > - > I'm sorry! This is great!" *[This is from the Amazon UK description of the > paperback.]* > > now me: > > Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making > reference > to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. > > Mags ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:09:50 -0400 From: Mark in Florida Subject: Re: pronunciation question Correct pronunciation as I understand it is Made off (as in with the money of others). - -- - -Mark in Florida On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Mike Pritchard wrote: > Bernard Madoff's surname should be pronounced as in Made off, or as Mad > off? > Thanks, > mike in bcn > np Gram Parsons GP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:35:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Thanks very much, Terra (sp?), for investigating this further. But I must say that in fact, from what you have found about Joni's involvement with the book, it sounds like she may well have agreed to giving a review, just like Sting. But Sting's comment rings true (quote: "Music seems to have an almost wilful, evasive quality, defying simple explanation, so that the more we find out, the more there is to know, leaving its power and mystery intact, however much we may dig and delve. Daniel's book is an eloquent and poetic exploration of this paradox. --Sting" unquote) while the comment from Joni seems so uncharacteristic, and reminds me more of a stand-up comic. But hey, I agree it's much ado about nothing. In any case, as you say, it sounds like an interesting book, and that's what matters most to me. That's why I shared more details about it in my original post. But still, if I buy it, I will check what reviews are mentioned on the cover, and report back if I find out any more about this Joni comment! All the best, Lieve in London ________________________________ From: T Peckham To: Mags Cc: Catherine McKay ; Dan Olson ; jonipeople LIST ; Lieve Reckers Sent: Monday, 16 March, 2009 20:48:49 Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni LOL--much ado . . . ! Okay, I checked this out, and here are my findings: The reviews/blurbs Lieve saw are on Amazon UK, and are about the paperback edition, which has not yet been released. I then looked for the original hardcover edition on Amazon USA. It's a different publisher, and the Joni "blurb" does not appear in the Amazon description. Using the Search Inside This Book feature, I found twelve Joni references in the Index, almost of all of which you can read in their entirety. (And if you "hover" over the pages that don't load, you can read the first sentence or so.) This is worth noting because Joni was actually interviewed for the book, and there's at least a 2-page recounting of the author's post-Shine, post-ballet conversation(s) with her. (This first edition was published August '08.) So, I suspect the so-called review or quote attributed to Joni in the UK review of the forthcoming paperback is a big typo gone bad. Thanks to Lieve for alerting us to this interesting-sounding book! T tp://www.amazon.com/World-Six-Songs-Musical-Created/dp/0525950737/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237076397&sr=1-1#reader On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mags wrote: on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon about the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 reviews, one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. Joni's comment reads: "This is the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back - I'm sorry! This is great!" [This is from the Amazon UK description of the paperback.] now me: Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making reference to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. Mags ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:53:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Sorry Terra, I should have checked your Amazon link before sending my reply! Just now I went to the "search inside this book" section and saw the list of reviews. Sting's was there among others such as George Martin 's, but no quote from Joni. Still, my appetite is sufficiently whetted now, I think I will buy the paperback and take it from there! Lieve ________________________________ From: Lieve Reckers To: T Peckham ; Mags Cc: Catherine McKay ; Dan Olson ; jonipeople LIST Sent: Monday, 16 March, 2009 21:35:27 Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Thanks very much, Terra (sp?), for investigating this further. But I must say that in fact, from what you have found about Joni's involvement with the book, it sounds like she may well have agreed to giving a review, just like Sting. But Sting's comment rings true (quote: "Music seems to have an almost wilful, evasive quality, defying simple explanation, so that the more we find out, the more there is to know, leaving its power and mystery intact, however much we may dig and delve. Daniel's book is an eloquent and poetic exploration of this paradox. --Sting" unquote) while the comment from Joni seems so uncharacteristic, and reminds me more of a stand-up comic. But hey, I agree it's much ado about nothing. In any case, as you say, it sounds like an interesting book, and that's what matters most to me. That's why I shared more details about it in my original post. But still, if I buy it, I will check what reviews are mentioned on the cover, and report back if I find out any more about this Joni comment! All the best, Lieve in London ________________________________ From: T Peckham To: Mags Cc: Catherine McKay ; Dan Olson ; jonipeople LIST ; Lieve Reckers Sent: Monday, 16 March, 2009 20:48:49 Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni LOL--much ado . . . ! Okay, I checked this out, and here are my findings: The reviews/blurbs Lieve saw are on Amazon UK, and are about the paperback edition, which has not yet been released. I then looked for the original hardcover edition on Amazon USA. It's a different publisher, and the Joni "blurb" does not appear in the Amazon description. Using the Search Inside This Book feature, I found twelve Joni references in the Index, almost of all of which you can read in their entirety. (And if you "hover" over the pages that don't load, you can read the first sentence or so.) This is worth noting because Joni was actually interviewed for the book, and there's at least a 2-page recounting of the author's post-Shine, post-ballet conversation(s) with her. (This first edition was published August '08.) So, I suspect the so-called review or quote attributed to Joni in the UK review of the forthcoming paperback is a big typo gone bad. Thanks to Lieve for alerting us to this interesting-sounding book! T tp://www.amazon.com/World-Six-Songs-Musical-Created/dp/0525950737/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237076397&sr=1-1#reader On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mags wrote: on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon about the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 reviews, one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. Joni's comment reads: "This is the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back - I'm sorry! This is great!" [This is from the Amazon UK description of the paperback.] now me: Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making reference to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. Mags ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:20:34 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: wendy and lisa Out of Lurkdom... I have heard Wendy and Lisa's "white flags.." They are big fans of Joni, as we all know. Musically, there are some moments of interest, but a lot of it just didn't get under my skin.? Their first CD was their best.? Ever since, I seem to loose interest in the music about half way through the CD's.?? Perhaps I should give it a heartier listen.? Not sure why/how they selected this lyric of Joni's for a title, because the music isn't "wintery", nor does it evoke any sense of anything in particular having to do with Hejira, or it's images. Who knows, I may listen to this CD in 6 months and "get it", but for now, it's not getting much play, and I believe I purchased it in December when it became available through their website. Ken np-jesca hoop/seed of wonder acoustic - -----Original Message----- From: Mags To: Mike and Patti Haskins Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:05 am Subject: Re: wendy and lisa nice find there, Patti. Im listening to the music on the page now. Ive always and ever been blown away by that phrase, white flags of winter chimneys...delicious. I remain to this day, impressed by the sheer brilliance, the way in which Joni moves far and beyond the land of cliche, and lays down words in fresh ways..and so succinctly... she creates many an "aha" moment .... Mags watching the street outside my window being ripped apart. (such news lol) - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Mike and Patti Haskins wrote: From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: wendy and lisa To: "joni@smoe.org" Received: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:36 AM Out of lurkdom to ask: Has anyone listened to Wendy and Lisa's new album "White Flags of Winter Chimneys"? http://www.wendyandlisa.com/ Patti Haskins blog shop photos __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:46:41 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Sorry Terra, I should have checked your Amazon link before sending my > reply! Just now I went to the "search inside this book" section and saw the > list of reviews. Sting's was there among others such as George Martin 's, > but no quote from Joni. > > *Still, my appetite is sufficiently whetted now, I think I will buy the > paperback and take it from there! * > Lieve > > I was hoping you'd say that! ;-) I'm more interested in the book now, too, after reading the excerpts, but since I'm overloaded on things to read, I'll await *your* review. Best, Terra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:58:51 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni I missed that original post, too... I am currently reading the author's previous book "This is Your Brain On Music". It has 2 or 3 pages specifically about how the author perceives Joni's music as unique, and some stuff about Jaco. Maybe I will type it out at some point. Is there a "Joni in non- fiction" category? It's a pretty good book so far, also finishing "Musicophilia" by Oliver Sacks-fascinating but kind of dry at times. How music affects the brain, perfect pitch, synethesia, etc. Apparently, in the "Six Songs" book he name drops "my friend Joni Mitchell". The thesis is that there are only six types of songs no matter what culture you come from. Oddly, none of them are 'sad songs', the broad category that Joni might best fit into. The six categories are Friendship, Joy, Comfort, Knowledge (teaching and memory songs), Religion, and Love. Also included in each of these six are the opposites. So, really it is twelve categories. I guess Joni would fit into the comfort category, though some of her ruminations are more unsettling than comforting. RR Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni > Joni's comment reads: "This is > the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The > idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it > back - > I'm sorry! This is great!" > now me: > > Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making > reference > to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. > > Mags ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:01:46 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: New JMsite bug NjC Hi Les, I noticed that the new site doesn't allow me to add an art work to my favourites. Perhaps you know about this bug already. I also assume that this new site represents a merge with the JMDL, which will soon make redundant the JMDL site. Is this the case? Just wondering. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Chat with the whole group, and bring everyone together. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650735 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:10:29 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image Well, hell, Hell - who is to say that you are wrong? There is no right nor wrong in anything, and of course not in art. There are a lot of perspectives and they are have worth. I can understand why you advocate your view - I don't agree with it but am I right? There is no "right." The genius of the art is that it may be well that my take is on point and yours is an intended secondary meaning - or the reverse, yours is prime and my take is secondary, or we are both not in touch with the artist's intent at the time of creation and finalization - but is the artist's intent always discernable - or even necessarily defensable (in that art can take on a meaning of its own). I have forcably advocated my stance and you have wonderfully (and I thank you) re-presented and defended your take and that is how it should be! There is no wrong or wrote, but how we have all been engaged by this, so is it not all good: all engaged, all reacting to an interprative piece about our Joni. Nothing about Joni is simple or simplistic so this has just been as it should be! Thanks Hell! Vince On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:31 PM, hell wrote: > > Why does it have to mean the same thing to everyone? I stand by MY view > that's it's a satirical take on the world of Starbucks - and if this > cartoon > is being published in The New Yorker, I would have assumed that the > definition of cartoon as "a drawing intended as satire, caricature, or > humor" would be the most accurate? If it's just a picture, then to be > honest, I don't see the point. > > But then that's just MY opinion... > > > Hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #88 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------