From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #87 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 16 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 087 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #72 [Paul Headon ] Re: Valde Volde mort, njc [Mike Pritchard ] Re: Valde Volde mort, njc [Mags ] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Mags ] Re: Valde Volde mort, njc ["Mark Scott" ] RE: Valde Volde mort, njc ["Les Irvin" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #73 [StDoherty@aol.com] SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Catherine McKay] Rich text/plain text njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 now njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Rich text/plain text njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #72/Paul [Jeannie ] Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image [gerard mclaughlin ] RE: Joni in the New Yorker / image ["hell" ] Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:59:24 +0000 From: Paul Headon Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #72 onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 14 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 072 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > RE: jonimitchell.com wants you [Susan E McNamara ] > Re: Nobody's Stalking Anyone [Jeannie ] > JoniMitchellcom ["Marion Leffler" ] > Re: Joni in the New Yorker ["Mark L. Levinson" Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image [ann jensen ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:31:51 -0400 > From: Susan E McNamara > Subject: RE: jonimitchell.com wants you > > Hey thanks to Raffaelle for the beauty of the site, but you are being too modest, Les. That nerdy programming has made access to the guitar/piano tab site one of the best I've ever come across. The fact that within seconds I can generate a list of similarly tuned songs into a great set has helped me out more than you can imagine. My guitar strings thank you!! :-) Plus I love being able to see Joni's artwork along with her music. Thanks so much. > > Sue > > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell > > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:55:34 -0600 > From: "Les Irvin" > Subject: RE: jonimitchell.com wants you > > Thanks to everyone for all the compliments and comments on the new site. > But the credit for the design must go to Raffaelle Malanga. He's the > mastermind behind the look of the site. All I do is the nerdy programming > behind the design. I think Raf is one of the best designers in the biz! > (http://farstudios.com) > > > - - -----Original Message----- > c Karma wrote: > One thing I must remark on is the branding elements that Joni has dropped on > us over the years, which astute Les has masterfully integrated. Other > artists > who are visualists don't seem to have created quite the graphic identity > that > Joni has, or had the benefit of the love, admiration and good taste of > supporters like Les to acknowledge and use it to best advantage. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:24:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jeannie > Subject: Re: Nobody's Stalking Anyone > > ~IF~ > > If you can keep your head > While all about you > People are losing theirs and blaming you > If you can trust yourself > When everybody doubts you > And make allowance for their doubting, too. > > If you can wait > And not get tired of waiting > And when lied about > STAND TALL > Don't deal in lies > And when hated > Don't give in to hating back > Don't need to look so good > Don't need to talk too wise > > If you can dream and not make dreams your master > If you can think > And not make intellect your game > If you can meet with triumph and disaster > And treat those two imposters just the same > > If you can force you heart > And nerve and sinew > To serve you > After all of them are gone > And so hold on > Where there is nothing in you > Nothing but the will > That's telling you to hold on! > Hold on! > > If you can bear to hear > The truth you've spoken > Twisted and misconstrued > By some smug fool > Or watch your life's work > Torn apart and broken down > And still stoop to build again > With worn out tools > > If you can draw a crowd > And keep your virtue > Or walk with Kings > And keep the common touch > If neither enemies nor loving friends > Can hurt you > If everybody counts with you > But none too much > > If you can fill the journey > Of a minute > With sixty seconds of wonder and delight (especially in between the lines of the JMDL) > Then > The Earth is yours > And Everything that's in it > But more than that > I know > You'll be alright > You'll be alright > > Cause you've got the fight > You've got the insight > You've got the fight > You've got the insight. > > > > - --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Willie Yanock wrote: > >> From: Willie Yanock >> Subject: Stalking Joni? >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 11:18 AM >> I apologize to those that have insulted me. I should refrain >> from knee jerk >> retorts. I also apologize for upsetting this Joni Mitchell >> Club. I >> must presume that all of you love Joni as I do, but I also >> thought this site >> was an open forum to discuss different perspectives. In the >> past I have >> sacrificed my personal desires for the benefit of others so >> they may know the >> importance of the words I spoke. Sometimes a man must give >> up the most >> precious, beloved so they have free will to choose. To >> answer those that ask >> the question "who the hell are you", well I'm >> just a man that has experience >> some wonderful things in life. Recently I saw a disabled, >> crippling child look >> up to her mother with a big smile on her face and say >> "Look Mom I'm walking" >> and a grown man telling me about his abusive father, and a >> lady sent me a >> video to encourage me to offer help. Now most of you would >> think that these >> strangers I met have no value but I beg to differ with you, >> to >> me they are the most precious moments. These strangers >> found in the refuge of >> roads are all profound, they are all gifts from God that >> make me feel like a >> real man. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:52:15 +0100 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: JoniMitchellcom > > Just had a very quick look around the website and what impressed me most > were the gorgeous photos of Joni! Of course this is only my first > impression, I will take a closer look during the weekend. Seems like a > really great job has been done. There is one section I miss though, the bio > section. Has it been removed altogether or has the biographical material > been moved to another section? > > Anyway, let me join in the chorus of congratulations, Les and everyone else > involved in this creation. I'll be visiting the website more often now, I > think. > > Marion > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:47:39 +0200 > From: "Mark L. Levinson" > Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker > > Vince wrote: > > a New Yorker illustration/cartoon is a wry > > observation on life, capturing a life insight > > or observation > > I haven't seen the cartoon, but I imagine it's > finding humor in the tension between Joni's > original cultural context and the present times > into which her music has persisted, as well as > finding humor in several other things: the way > they feature music in coffee shops (and the > idea of seriously paying attention to it), the > way baby boomers drag their tastes with them > into middle age, the irritation of hearing the > same music all the time, maybe even the way > "Joni" is spelled. > > - ------------------------------------------------- > Mark L. Levinson - nosnivel@netvision.net.il > - ------------------------------------------------- > "if knowledge is power > what is all this other stuff?" - Maggie Secara > - ------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:17:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: ann jensen > Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image > > http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=32K4L1GUT7NT8MWAKM783M > 0176HSAKQB&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-cbpromo&sid=128351&did=4 > > > - --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mark L. Levinson wrote: > > From: Mark L. Levinson > Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 1:47 PM > > Vince wrote: >> a New Yorker illustration/cartoon is a wry >> observation on life, capturing a life insight >> or observation > > I haven't seen the cartoon, but I imagine it's > finding humor in the tension between Joni's > original cultural context and the present times > into which her music has persisted, as well as > finding humor in several other things: the way > they feature music in coffee shops (and the > idea of seriously paying attention to it), the > way baby boomers drag their tastes with them > into middle age, the irritation of hearing the > same music all the time, maybe even the way > "Joni" is spelled. > > ------------------------------ > > End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #72 > ******************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2000 - Release Date: 03/13/09 18:00:00 > Good news they failed to find the tumours they were looking for in my brain. they did find a hole in my brain though and have been told my eyesight might return to normal in time, the hole supposedly of acceptable size-whatever that means!! no hole is acceptable in my book :-) Anyway when is jonis next album do out it looks like I an going to live 2 c it after all Yours with Love and please all of you seize the day Paul Headon The Manic Depressive from Wales - -- Best wishes, Paul Headon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:35:11 +0100 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: Re: Valde Volde mort, njc Hi all, When I said in my post yesterday that there could be 'issues' with the non-English character set that some of us need to use on a daily basis I did not realise how little has changed. In fact, my examples came out mangled, as usual, but they were mangled much worse when Catherine quoted them. I have asked repeatedly over the years for a way around this, to no avail, but maybe the problem is expecting the website to resolve it when the answer lies with the people who post. Is there any way that people who post text with accents (non ASCII characters), in my case Spanish and French accents, can avoid this problem? I know that Microsoft Word smart quotes cause problems and I know that normal quotes usually print without any problems. I am writing this post in plain text and hope it is clearer. If it works, I will send all future posts in this format. I am sick of seeing all those upper-case Bs where the quote marks should be. Here's a test: son and ssn, are they reproduced differently, or correctly? the second version of son has an accent over the middle letter. mike in barcelona np Kroke Quartet - Live at Home ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Valde Volde mort, njc there were no accents on the samples you wrote, mike. as for reading those upper case letter B's, I have to say that I cant get through them, so I usually have to pass. thanks for the explanations though. sending you warmth from the prairie~i figure if i start manifesting warmth, it might just happen ;-PP lurv, mags - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Mike Pritchard wrote: From: Mike Pritchard Subject: Re: Valde Volde mort, njc To: "list" , "Catherine Mckay" , "Les Irwin" Received: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 6:35 AM Hi all, When I said in my post yesterday that there could be 'issues' with the non-English character set that some of us need to use on a daily basis I did not realise how little has changed. In fact, my examples came out mangled, as usual, but they were mangled much worse when Catherine quoted them. I have asked repeatedly over the years for a way around this, to no avail, but maybe the problem is expecting the website to resolve it when the answer lies with the people who post. Is there any way that people who post text with accents (non ASCII characters), in my case Spanish and French accents, can avoid this problem? I know that Microsoft Word smart quotes cause problems and I know that normal quotes usually print without any problems. I am writing this post in plain text and hope it is clearer. If it works, I will send all future posts in this format. I am sick of seeing all those upper-case Bs where the quote marks should be. Here's a test: son and ssn, are they reproduced differently, or correctly? the second version of son has an accent over the middle letter. mike in barcelona np Kroke Quartet - Live at Home __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:53:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Lieve, I was surprised to read the comment too. Not that Im an expert whatsoever on the language of Joni Mitchell, but this just doesnt sound like it's her. Mags __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:22:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 36 The zipfile of mp3's is here: http://tinyurl.com/bjyccj Seems like just yesterday March was coming in like a lion, and here we are at mid-month already. That means it's time for another edition of Retro covers, Volume 36 this time. A nice variety here, as is typically the case. The tracks: 1. The Albion Band - Big Yellow Taxi 2. Gloria Loring - Chelsea Morning 3. Howard Keel - Both Sides Now 4. The Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain - A Case Of You 5. Mia & The Steve Klink Trio - Little Green 6. Marlon Cherry - Dreamland 7. Glenn Miller Band - Both Sides Now 8. Julien Fleisher - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 9. Tommy Banks Big Band - Big Yellow Taxi 10. Live Maria Roggen & Lars Andreas Haug - Woodstock 11. The Red Birds - Both Sides Now 12. Margo Hennebach - Song To A Seagull 13. Phil Allen - Woodstock 14. Rodney Scott - (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care 15. Allan Capson - Both Sides Now 16. Sylvia - Marcie 17. Mary Ellen Wessels - I Don't Know Where I Stand 18. Steve Fisk - Woodstock 19. Morty Lewis - Both Sides Now 20. Ulf Lundell - Vin Till Frukost Hope you find something here to like. Bob NP: Shalini, "Not Good Enough" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:00:52 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Valde Volde mort, njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mags" > there were no accents on the samples you wrote, mike. As Mags said, there are no accents. Also the second version came out as ssn. I belong to a listserv for Virginia Woolf that can actually send pictures and attachments. My feeling is that smoe is the culprit. It seems to be limited in the what it will and will not send out. Mark in Seattle Here's a test: son and ssn, are they > reproduced differently, or correctly? the second version of son has > an > accent over the middle letter. > mike in barcelona > np Kroke Quartet - Live at Home > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:17:02 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Valde Volde mort, njc Yes, this happens as a message passes through the Smoe server. The good/bad news is that Smoe is a free service, no cost but no service either. - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Scott My feeling is that smoe is the culprit ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:54:33 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #73 In a message dated 3/15/2009 3:07:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: I still don't get it. Maybe the cartoonist thought Joni wrote "So Far Away". I don't get it at all and it's not funny. A cartoon shouldn't take that much work to "get" **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:28:50 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Hi Bob, thank you for vol. 36. I'm still not a fan of covers but I had to download this one for the sake of no. 20, Ulf Lundell's cover of Chelsea Morning in Swedish. I had never heard it before and quite frankly I am surprised that he recorded it. I would have reckoned Lundell to be the last man on earth to cover a song of Joni's. But I guess this was early in his career, before he turned out to be the macho s.o.b that he is showing off these days. - Anyway, I was curious to hear the translation as it is a real challenge to translate Joni's lyrics and not lose their beauty and meaning. Vin till frukost - wine for breakfast - is no winner in this respect. The sun shines like a spotlight - instead of pouring in like butter scotch. And wine instead of milk and toast and honey and a bowl of oranges, too. Then he asks her to stay for a few days so they can steal the world - ouch. And so it goes on. All these banal lyrics butcher the original song. I feel really sorry for people who may have listened to this and never heard the original lyrics. And I certainly hope Joni doesn't understand a word of Swedish so she will never have to know what has been done to her song. Sorry for complaining but I just had to get this off my chest. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bob Muller Skickat: den 15 mars 2009 16:22 Till: JMDL Dmne: Joni Covers, Volume 36 The zipfile of mp3's is here: http://tinyurl.com/bjyccj Seems like just yesterday March was coming in like a lion, and here we are at mid-month already. That means it's time for another edition of Retro covers, Volume 36 this time. A nice variety here, as is typically the case. The tracks: 1. The Albion Band - Big Yellow Taxi 2. Gloria Loring - Chelsea Morning 3. Howard Keel - Both Sides Now 4. The Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain - A Case Of You 5. Mia & The Steve Klink Trio - Little Green 6. Marlon Cherry - Dreamland 7. Glenn Miller Band - Both Sides Now 8. Julien Fleisher - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 9. Tommy Banks Big Band - Big Yellow Taxi 10. Live Maria Roggen & Lars Andreas Haug - Woodstock 11. The Red Birds - Both Sides Now 12. Margo Hennebach - Song To A Seagull 13. Phil Allen - Woodstock 14. Rodney Scott - (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care 15. Allan Capson - Both Sides Now 16. Sylvia - Marcie 17. Mary Ellen Wessels - I Don't Know Where I Stand 18. Steve Fisk - Woodstock 19. Morty Lewis - Both Sides Now 20. Ulf Lundell - Vin Till Frukost Hope you find something here to like. Bob NP: Shalini, "Not Good Enough" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:25:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Mags wrote: > From: Mags > > I was surprised to read the comment too. Not that Im an > expert whatsoever on > the language of Joni Mitchell, but this just doesnt sound > like it's her. > > Mags > > I read that quote a while ago, probably when I first saw the book, which was some time in the fall when I went to a lecture that Levitan gave at the U of T. He was also selling his books (I didn't buy one because you could get it cheaper elsewhere). I remember thinking it didn't sound like something Joni would say either. I can see her discussing that topic as something you couldn't narrow down to six types, but not in that language. Her words are generally a bit more eloquent. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:31:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Rich text/plain text njc - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Mike Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > When I said in my post yesterday that there could be > 'issues' with the > non-English character set that some of us need to use on a > daily basis > I did not realise how little has changed. In fact, my > examples came > out mangled, as usual, but they were mangled much worse > when Catherine > quoted them. I have asked repeatedly over the years for a > way around > this, to no avail, but maybe the problem is expecting the > website to > resolve it when the answer lies with the people who post. > Is there any > way that people who post text with accents (non ASCII > characters), in > my case Spanish and French accents, can avoid this problem? > I know > that Microsoft Word smart quotes cause problems and I know > that normal > quotes usually print without any problems. I am writing > this post in > plain text and hope it is clearer. If it works, I will send > all future > posts in this format. I am sick of seeing all those > upper-case Bs > where the quote marks should be. Here's a test: son and > ssn, are they > reproduced differently, or correctly? the second version of > son has an > accent over the middle letter. > mike in barcelona I was using "rich text" in previous posts, although I didn't notice it then. Sometimes I switch back & forth between rich and plain text. That's probably why the characters came out weird. I'm back to plain text now. I think that's the secret most of the time. I wouldn't have a clue how to put an accent or other diacritic on in either format. Can you just type it from your keyboard, assuming it's not an "English" one? Just wondering. I know it's kind of off topic now. I can read the difference between your son with and without an accent. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 now njc - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bob Muller wrote: > > Seems like just yesterday March was coming in like a lion, > and here we are at mid-month already. What?? The Ides already? March is really marching along. BEWARE! Thanks for this latest retro installment, Muller. I can't believe how many covers there are out there and it seems like every time you turn around, there's more! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Nothing to be sorry about, Marion - I appreciate the translation a bunch. It is always interesting to see how the song titles and lyrics are translated. Bob NP: Bryan Thomas, "smiling" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 now njc Don't I know it. But I'm still loving my goofy hobby and I have to say that I still get a thrill when I discover a new one - especially when it's a deep track that doesn't get done a lot. Bob NP: Sally Barker, "Real Good For Free" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:51:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rich text/plain text njc - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Catherine McKay wrote: > they were mangled much > worse > > when Catherine > > quoted them. Ha ha. Just re-read this now and wondered what Smurf would have to say about that. Maybe the fact that I'm so damn OLD explains how things are mangled much worse when I quote them - senility maybe? Plus, I just realized that the post where the accent came out fine must have been the copy that Mike sent directly to me, and not the one from smoe, since now I can see it says "ssn" instead of "son" with an accent on the o. Have also read Les's email about smoe being free. So I guess our choices are, keep smoe, which is free, or pay for something else. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:55:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bob Muller wrote: > chest. > > > Nothing to be sorry about, Marion - I appreciate the > translation a bunch. It is always interesting to see how the > song titles and lyrics are translated. > I enjoyed it too. Having dabbled for a very brief time with the idea of being a translator and being ultimately frustrated by the process, I love to hear what happens when someone tries to translate song lyrics or poetry or anything other than a technical manual into another language. It's very difficult to convey the same meaning and keep within the meter and then, when you add in rhyme, it's very complicated. Whoever translated "Chelsea morning" into Swedish (could have been that singer or someone else) may not have bothered though and it kind of sounds like he didn't. It's probably best just to learn a whole bunch of other languages because things generally sound better in their original language. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #72/Paul So, so glad and grateful, Paul, for this great health news of yours. I'm singing Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah in whispers in response to the good news but in my head it's Jeff Buckley's voice I hear. Either way, it's a mighty graceful song of praise in gratitude. It's also great your vision has the opportunity for improvement. ~My very best to you~ Take Care, Jeannie PS: Thanks for reminding us to seize the day. I also enjoy every sandwich like Warren Zevon told us he learned to do when he was told he had just a few months to live due to that dreaded lung disease caused by inhaling asbestos, mesolothemia. It's the simple things in life that can produce the greatest little joys here and there as we live our daily lives and I do enjoy every sandwich, especially my Swiss cheese sandwiches on French bread, plain and simple. - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Paul Headon wrote: > Good news they failed to find the tumours they were looking > for in my brain. they did find a hole in my brain though and > have been told my eyesight might return to normal in time, > the hole supposedly of acceptable size-whatever that means!! > no hole is acceptable in my book :-) > > Anyway when is jonis next album do out it looks like I an > going to live 2 c it after all > > Yours with Love and please all of you seize the day > > > Paul Headon > The Manic Depressive from Wales > > -- Best wishes, > > Paul Headon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:00:34 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image I am going to risk wrath wading into this one more time: note that I am a decades long subscriber to the New Yorker and I know this artist's work - I really fail to see how that little sketch does not make everyone smile and feel good as it is such a nice compliment to our Joni. http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=32K4L1GUT7NT8MWAKM783M0176HSAKQB&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-cbpromo&sid=128351&did=4 look at the people: they are smiling! they are happy Joni fans! they are happy that they will always have Joni Mitchell! (Just like Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman always had Paris!) This is such a warm happy cheerful positive little comment about Joni that how can we not be thrilled with it? It does not need to be over thought. It does not need to be given a context of anything that is not ijn the drawing. It does not need generations of Joni and Joni-fan paranoia that somehow she is always being dissed. Some people actually love Joni. This artist loves Joni and is expressing warm happy contented thankful Joni-love! Pretend if you will that devoted Joni lover Suze had drawn that little picture: we'd be using that as the logo for the next 18 Joni Fests! A logo of Celebrations that thrill that we will always have Joni! We'd wear that logo with the same smiles as the people in the picture! Sometimes, sometimes, there are times, that we have to accept the cold cruel reality that Joni Mitchell is celebrated and loved by people out there and that they will express it. Our delight in being victims of a world that does not appreciate our Joni is something that sometimes, just sometimes, like in this cartoon, we have to set aside so that we can just enjoy that the love of Joni and the endurance of Joni's music is celebrated by others out there. I am not trying to be an asshole although we all know that I am. I am rather worn out that the celebration of Joni in our culture is such a damned difficult concept for us to accept, so much so that we refuse to see it let alone enjoy it. Vince, aka professional cultural asshole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:48:31 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image First time I saw this when Vince posted about it. I thought it was cute. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image Vince, I really think you're on the right track. Having now seen the cartoon, and the quiet knowing joy in the faces of these 2 people, it seems obvious that they are celebrating Joni's permanence in a world of unknown and temporary. It's not funny, it's not intended to be. It's meant to convey that warm confidence that we all know, and I think it does that very well. Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Hangin' 'Round Here" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:44:36 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image Thanks for letting us see the cartoon in question, Vince. I think its cute . I particularly like the womans smile although wonder if she is smiling so sweetly because her big hat blocks out the sound of her gentlemans friends voice. Either that or theres something in her coffee. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Vince wrote: > I am going to risk wrath wading into this one more time: > > note that I am a decades long subscriber to the New Yorker and I know this > artist's work - > > I really fail to see how that little sketch does not make everyone smile > and > feel good as it is such a nice compliment to our Joni. > > > http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=32K4L1GUT7NT8MWAKM783M0176HSAKQB&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-cbpromo&sid=128351&did=4 > > look at the people: they are smiling! they are happy Joni fans! they are > happy that they will always have Joni Mitchell! (Just like Humphrey Bogart > and Ingrid Bergman always had Paris!) > > This is such a warm happy cheerful positive little comment about Joni that > how can we not be thrilled with it? > > It does not need to be over thought. It does not need to be given a > context > of anything that is not ijn the drawing. It does not need generations of > Joni and Joni-fan paranoia that somehow she is always being dissed. Some > people actually love Joni. This artist loves Joni and is expressing warm > happy contented thankful Joni-love! > > Pretend if you will that devoted Joni lover Suze had drawn that little > picture: we'd be using that as the logo for the next 18 Joni Fests! A logo > of Celebrations that thrill that we will always have Joni! We'd wear that > logo with the same smiles as the people in the picture! > > Sometimes, sometimes, there are times, that we have to accept the cold > cruel > reality that Joni Mitchell is celebrated and loved by people out there and > that they will express it. Our delight in being victims of a world that > does not appreciate our Joni is something that sometimes, just sometimes, > like in this cartoon, we have to set aside so that we can just enjoy that > the love of Joni and the endurance of Joni's music is celebrated by others > out there. > > I am not trying to be an asshole although we all know that I am. I am > rather worn out that the celebration of Joni in our culture is such a > damned > difficult concept for us to accept, so much so that we refuse to see it let > alone enjoy it. > > Vince, aka professional cultural asshole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:02:55 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: NJC - He Played Real Good For (nearly) Free The Washington Post won a Pulitzer in the feature writing category for Gene Weingarten's April 2007 story. Probably old news to many here but it sure reminded me of Joni's song. Hat tip: Dar (Williams) list Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:31:19 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Joni in the New Yorker / image Bob wrote: > Vince, I really think you're on the right track. Having now seen > the cartoon, and the quiet knowing joy in the faces of these 2 > people, it seems obvious that they are celebrating Joni's > permanence in a world of unknown and temporary. It's not funny, > it's not intended to be. It's meant to convey that warm > confidence that we all know, and I think it does that very well. I'll respond with a quote from Joni herself (paraphrasing): "Forget what it means to me, what does it mean to you?" Why does it have to mean the same thing to everyone? I stand by MY view that's it's a satirical take on the world of Starbucks - and if this cartoon is being published in The New Yorker, I would have assumed that the definition of cartoon as "a drawing intended as satire, caricature, or humor" would be the most accurate? If it's just a picture, then to be honest, I don't see the point. But then that's just MY opinion... Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:42:39 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image From: "Vince" >I am going to risk wrath wading into this one more time: damn, you piss me off... (kidding!!)_ no, I think you're right, it's good to put out some positive press for Joni (and you CAN get it on a tee shirt or notecard). Maybe your familiarity with this artist helped you discern the intent-which was not obvious to me. On her behalf, I will rewrite the caption, not that anybody asked. "The economy may be tanking, but at least Joni Mitchell is forever" Now I get it. RR > note that I am a decades long subscriber to the New Yorker and I know this > artist's work - > > I really fail to see how that little sketch does not make everyone smile > and > feel good as it is such a nice compliment to our Joni. > > http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=32K4L1GUT7NT8MWAKM783M0176HSAKQB&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-cbpromo&sid=128351&did=4 > > look at the people: they are smiling! they are happy Joni fans! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #87 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------