From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #83 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 12 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 083 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Stalking Willie, njc [Laura Stanley ] NAMI, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #68 [donald.barthel@kodak.com] Website [Gerald Notaro ] Elbow - NJC [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Stalking Willie, njc [Mags ] Re: Stalking Willie, njc [Catherine McKay ] jonimitchell.com [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Stalking Willie, njc the point being... [Mags ] Re: Joni in the New Yorker [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni in the New Yorker [Gerald Notaro ] Stalking Joni? [Willie Yanock ] Re: Stalking Willie, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Stalking Willie, njc the point being... [Laura Stanley ] Re: Joni in the New Yorker [Vince ] re: joni mitchell.comm wants you [joe farrell ] Re: Stalking Willie, njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #68 [StDoherty@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc Terrarist wrote: That's why I came straight out and asked him on-list. I think anyone who posts the sort of things he did is obviously wanting attention of some sort. And Willie didn't seem particularly fazed by it. His response to me was: "Sir, [sic] go play with your Barbie doll." Teedom lover, Oh so he didn't need the public advice of the JMDL Concerned Women for Willie after all... he was just wanting some kind of attention! LOLLLLL! And good one Willie! Thanks for my morning, clear the lungs laugh! Love, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: NAMI, njc Terra wrote: I mentioned my own bout with "Mental Illness" because I've done a lot of reading and research on its various forms, causes, and manifestations, in order to help myself but also to understand others. I'm also quite militant about the need (in this country, at least) to do much, much more to erase the stigma around it, and to get true parity in research and treatment dollars. Hi Terra, Have you heard of NAMI? I've been associated with the organization since the 80's. I have a close family member who is bipolar. Also, my medical specialty is neuro in case you didn't already know. I don't take much very seriously on this list. I love to play like the sillyseabirds do. Smurf helped me to fly shortly after I joined the JMDL and believed there might actually be an exclusive "inner circle" of JMDLers. St. Smurf, pray for us. Love, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:15:39 -0400 From: donald.barthel@kodak.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #68 New website is lovely! Donald R. Barthel | FPEG US CF RFS PRODUCT STAFF / DMO | Eastman Kodak Company | 1669 Lake Avenue | Rochester, NY 14652-4890 | donald.barthel@kodak.com | 585-477-7110 Office | www.kodak.com [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:56:02 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Website Absolutely spectacular, Les. I hope Joni appreciates how good it really is compared to other artists' sites. - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:23:57 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Elbow - NJC Hey UK. Thanks for Elbow. What a group. A mercury Prize winner, just like Antony. If you haven't heard them, give them a listen. - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:48:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc so calling Terra "Terraist" is okay in your books? - --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Laura Stanley wrote: From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc To: joni@smoe.org Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:51 AM Terrarist wrote: That's why I came straight out and asked him on-list. I think anyone who posts the sort of things he did is obviously wanting attention of some sort. And Willie didn't seem particularly fazed by it. His response to me was: "Sir, [sic] go play with your Barbie doll." Teedom lover, Oh so he didn't need the public advice of the JMDL Concerned Women for Willie after all... he was just wanting some kind of attention! LOLLLLL! And good one Willie! Thanks for my morning, clear the lungs laugh! Love, Dr. Laura __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:13:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc A lot of us say we'd like to meet Joni. Some of us have questions we'd like to ask her. Others are afraid we'd look like slack-jawed yokels if we met her. We're all here because we love her music (I hope). Some are friendly, some are cutting, some are watching it from the wings. We all have good days and bad but that's human nature or physiology. But, here's my rationale for the "kind of stalkerish" suggestion I made. Usually when a person sends a first post to the jmdl, they introduce themselves and often say when they first started listening to Joni's music. Willy's first post to the list (unless I missed one) started out with a reference to Les as "gutless" and left a few people scratching their heads. Assuming it's our webmaster he was talking about, why would anyone use that expression to begin with? In addition to having no context, it's pretty hostile to call people names in the first post. As well, he has several times made reference to his having shared a special night or moment with Joni that she apparently refuses to acknowledge and implies that he was the inspiration for songs from or the whole album "Hissing." When asked for details, he hasn't provided any. A regular fan, or Joniphile, would probably explain where and how he met her. People on this list have sent joking posts suggesting that they were the inspiration or subject of a particular Joni song. In particular, I remember quite a while ago someone (and I can't remember who it was) posting an excellent shaggy dog story describing himself and his history as the "Strange Boy" of the song. It was obvious this was just a story and it was very entertaining and darn funny too. I've deleted all of W's posts but the most recent but I believe Willy suggested Joni find Jesus. The joker in me asks, "Why? Is he lost?" but another part really resents people trying to foist their religion on anyone. Here's a line I just don't get from an email I still had in my inbox (from Mon, Mar 9)? "A witness TESTIFIES. Do you mead witness or Witness?" Also sounds possibly holy roller to me and am not at all clear on the difference between the lower case w and the u.c. one. Taken in light of a reference to an individual as "gutless," a possible claim to having inspired a Joni song or two for which he wants some kind of acknowledgement, a statement that Joni needs to find Jesus and that someone (Joni?) needs to testify, I mean TESTIFY, then that sounds potentially creepy to me. Add to that that some people say they received posts sent to them privately, not copied to the jmdl, which could be an honest mistake, but could likewise be perceived as creepy. Maybe the whole thing is a big joke. Sorry to say, I don't get it. - --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Laura Stanley wrote: Couldn't we all be considered stalkers on this list? Or is the more acceptable label for us and our obsession with Joni, "Joniphiles?" As for clarity of content, I sometimes wonder what the hell people are talking about in posts too. I don't find Willie particularly difficult to understand. __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: jonimitchell.com hmmm... i still don't understand the thread about the new jonimitchell.com's layout. i went to the site, and it's still the same jm.com as usual (yellowish brown layout with some paintings popping on the top left corner). is there any limitations for users in asia? rian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:32:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc the point being... among many other things wise and wonderful things, catherine wrote: Add to that that some people say they received posts sent to them privately, not copied to the jmdl, which could be an honest mistake, but could likewise be perceived as creepy. now moi: the point being.. I also received off list posts from Willie. I dont appreciate that when this happens, at all. Unless I know them, and know them well.. Im not going to engage in something that sets off the creep-0-meter in me off list. All of my bells and whistles went off when I read W's posts about being part and parcel of certain songs, part of Joni's life .. well it is unsettling. I also dont appreciate it when someone disses Les (irvin) for being gutless because he would not do what he was asked to do. I dont appreciate the inuendoes of needing to be in contact with Joni. and then Catherine said: Maybe the whole thing is a big joke. Sorry to say, I don't get it. a great big me too on this one, Catherine. It's not funny, not one goddamned bit. and Laura, to call Terra "Terrarist" after you are on us about being mean to Willie or whatever, that's just bad form. Mags __________________________________________________________________ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:35:50 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Joni Mitchell Layout Rian, you need to use this link, not the jonimitchell.com link that you posted. http://JoniMitchell.com/2009 - -- Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 agent: http://www.pelhamassociates.co.uk 01273 323 010 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker Hmm, yes it is a strange little joke, isn't it? I would have used someone like Kiss or Cher. They constantly have one farewell tour after another! - -Monika - --- On Wed, 3/11/09, djp@djpnet.net wrote: The current issue of the New Yorker (Mar 16, 2009) has a cartoon by Victoria Roberts on p 105. A middle aged man and woman are seated at, I suppose, a coffee shop. The man is saying to the woman "The only thing that's never going away is Joni Mitchell." I have to confess I just don't get it. djp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:57:52 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker I think it is a compliment, not at all the the Cher and cockroaches remark. More about the endurance of her art, rather than pfysically surviving a nuclear holocaust! Jerry On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Hmm, yes it is a strange little joke, isn't it? I would have used someone > like Kiss or Cher. They constantly have one farewell tour after another! > -Monika > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, djp@djpnet.net wrote: > > > > The current issue of the New Yorker (Mar 16, 2009) has a cartoon by > Victoria > Roberts on p 105. A middle aged man and woman are seated at, I suppose, a > coffee shop. The man is saying to the woman "The only thing that's never > going > away is Joni Mitchell." > > I have to confess I just don't get it. > > djp > - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Yanock Subject: Stalking Joni? I apologize to those that have insulted me. I should refrain from knee jerk retorts. I also apologize for upsetting this Joni Mitchell Club. I must presume that all of you love Joni as I do, but I also thought this site was an open forum to discuss different perspectives. In the past I have sacrificed my personal desires for the benefit of others so they may know the importance of the words I spoke. Sometimes a man must give up the most precious, beloved so they have free will to choose. To answer those that ask the question "who the hell are you", well I'm just a man that has experience some wonderful things in life. Recently I saw a disabled, crippling child look up to her mother with a big smile on her face and say "Look Mom I'm walking" and a grown man telling me about his abusive father, and a lady sent me a video to encourage me to offer help. Now most of you would think that these strangers I met have no value but I beg to differ with you, to me they are the most precious moments. These strangers found in the refuge of roads are all profound, they are all gifts from God that make me feel like a real man. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc Books? - --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Mags wrote: > > so calling Terra "Terraist" is okay in your books? > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Laura Stanley > wrote: > > > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc > To: joni@smoe.org > Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:51 AM > > > Terrarist wrote: > > That's why I came straight out and asked him on-list. I > think anyone who posts the sort of things he did is > obviously wanting attention of some sort. And Willie > didn't seem particularly fazed by it. His response to me > was: "Sir, [sic] go play with your Barbie doll." > > > Teedom lover, > > Oh so he didn't need the public advice of the JMDL > Concerned Women for Willie after all... he was just wanting > some kind of attention! LOLLLLL! And good one Willie! > Thanks for my morning, clear the lungs laugh! > > Love, > Dr. Laura > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and > bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:29:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc the point being... - --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Mags wrote: > > > and Laura, to call Terra "Terrarist" after you > are on us about being mean to Willie or whatever, that's > just bad form. ter7ra (tr) n. pl. ter7rae (tr) A rough upland or mountainous region of the moon with a relatively high albedo. The American Heritage. Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright )2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved Terrarist, one who has a relatively high albedo to my posts on the JMDL. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc - --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Catherine McKay wrote: > > Usually when a person sends a first post to the jmdl, they > introduce themselves and often say when they first started > listening to Joni's music. Willy's first post to the > list (unless I missed one) started out with a reference to > Les as "gutless" and left a few people scratching > their heads. Assuming it's our webmaster he was > talking about, why would anyone use that expression to begin > with? In addition to having no context, it's pretty > hostile to call people names in the first post. Hi Catherine, Is there really anything usual about this list? The diversity is what appeals to me. Acceptance. Inclusiveness. Benefit of the doubt. Uniqueness. Willie fits all of those even in calling Les "gutless." It sounds like a harmless play on words to me. Ya'll have been talking about him as if he is hostile or dangerous. He's referred to himself instead as an ill and dying old man. It is interesting what people notice or don't notice in posts. Love, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:15:24 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker Jerry is right, it is indeed a compliment in a time in which everything changes the one constant is Joni's beautiful music Vince On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Gerald Notaro wrote: > I think it is a compliment, not at all the the Cher and cockroaches remark. > More about the endurance of her art, rather than pfysically surviving a > nuclear holocaust! > > Jerry > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz >wrote: > > > Hmm, yes it is a strange little joke, isn't it? I would have used > someone > > like Kiss or Cher. They constantly have one farewell tour after another! > > -Monika > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, djp@djpnet.net wrote: > > > > > > > > The current issue of the New Yorker (Mar 16, 2009) has a cartoon by > > Victoria > > Roberts on p 105. A middle aged man and woman are seated at, I suppose, a > > coffee shop. The man is saying to the woman "The only thing that's never > > going > > away is Joni Mitchell." > > > > I have to confess I just don't get it. > > > > djp > > > > > > -- > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:32:08 +0000 From: joe farrell Subject: re: joni mitchell.comm wants you Les, thanks. the site looks and feels wonderful. well done. the videos are a really good addition. all the work that has gone into it has produced a great site to honour a great artist. regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker Ah, in that case, I approve! - -Monika - --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Vince wrote: Jerry is right, it is indeed a compliment in a time in which everything changes the one constant is Joni's beautiful music Vince On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Gerald Notaro wrote: > I think it is a compliment, not at all the the Cher and cockroaches remark. > More about the endurance of her art, rather than pfysically surviving a > nuclear holocaust! > > Jerry > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz >wrote: > > > Hmm, yes it is a strange little joke, isn't it? I would have used > someone > > like Kiss or Cher. They constantly have one farewell tour after another! > > -Monika > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, djp@djpnet.net wrote: > > > > > > > > The current issue of the New Yorker (Mar 16, 2009) has a cartoon by > > Victoria > > Roberts on p 105. A middle aged man and woman are seated at, I suppose, a > > coffee shop. The man is saying to the woman "The only thing that's never > > going > > away is Joni Mitchell." > > > > I have to confess I just don't get it. > > > > djp > > > > > > -- > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:30:26 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Stalking Willie, njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Stanley" > Books? > Ok! I get it! Willie & Laura are really the same person! Good one, Laura! But seriously folks. Having been a part of this forum almost since it started, I can tell you that there have been instances of some pretty unusual personalities that have popped up from time to time. Some of them made many people on the JMDL very uncomfortable, and some engaged in off-list posts that were considered abusive. Les eventually had to bounce these people off of the list. There was one post I remember that was more or less a glib and disrespectful brag about how the writer had spent a night with Joni and how great she was. That one didn't get beyond that one post before they were outta here. There have been others who have just been so opinionated and annoyingly insulting and negative that they finally became intolerable. They were bounced out of the JMDL by popular demand and the judgement of our wise list owner. Some of you may remember a person who dubbed themselves 'La Vierge de Huile' or something like that. 'La Vierge', on occasion, could write perfectly lucid posts to the list. But most of this person's input was rambling and seemed like free-associated gibberish. I always wondered if 'La Vierge' was a savant of some kind and some of his posts seemed to indicate a fascination with word origins that would riff on and on. Anyway, individual list members started to get private emails from this person that they considered offensive or unwelcome. Some felt it was a form of stalking and felt very threatened by it. And there have been other instances of people who have joined the JMDL and made enough of a negative impact, either publicly on the list or through offensive private emails, that they have had to be kicked off for the well-being of our community. I'm not saying that Willie is one of those people. I made a glib comment after his first post. If I was off-base, I apologize. But I guess my point is that there have been people on the JMDL from time to time who have given every appearance of being very disturbed people and they have caused a great deal of angst and trouble. So, Willie, I don't want to pass judgment on you. But maybe if you could explain yourself a little better, people wouldn't be so skittish about you. There are reasons for the skittishness. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:39:16 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #68 In a message dated 3/11/2009 1:57:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: http://JoniMitchell.com/2009 The site is top-notch. thanks so much for doing this ... it's obvious it was a labor of love - and quite a bit of labor. thank you. **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. 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