From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #76 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 8 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 076 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] [Bob Muller ] Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie [Bob Muller] Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie [Mags ] emergence of joni mitchell ["gene" ] Re: NJC - Favorite kids toys [Mags ] Re: (NJC) Barbie [T Peckham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 06:51:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Thanks Richard - I haven't seen the extras yet...like an idiot, I ordered the new book and the DVD together, and specified FREE shipping, which means they will ship together, and since the book doesn't drop until next month I am waiting. Was hoping that others would have commented but nobody seems to want to talk about anything much these days. Bob NP: Antony & The Johnsons, "Fistful Of Love" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:07:19 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Thanks for the reply, Bob.I got mine from the Alberta Ballet because of the plug on here by the box office person (sorry! bad with names), that rather than Amazon, those sales go directly to AB. And as luck would have it, my pal was able to buy one and send it to me post haste last week. Can't wait to hear what others have to say about the Cyclops Movie. Not to mention the spectacular ballet... ~Richard n.p. Stevie Wonder, Superstition On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > > Thanks Richard - I haven't seen the extras yet...like an idiot, I ordered > the new book and the DVD together, and specified FREE shipping, which means > they will ship together, and since the book doesn't drop until next month I > am waiting. > > Was hoping that others would have commented but nobody seems to want to > talk about anything much these days. > > Bob > > NP: Antony & The Johnsons, "Fistful Of Love" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:14:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] hey Bob, I guess you'll have to come up with some controversial topic to raise a little conversation. :-) good luck with that! Mags - --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Bob Muller wrote: From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] To: "Richard Goldman" , "JMDL" Received: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 9:51 AM Thanks Richard - I haven't seen the extras yet...like an idiot, I ordered the new book and the DVD together, and specified FREE shipping, which means they will ship together, and since the book doesn't drop until next month I am waiting. Was hoping that others would have commented but nobody seems to want to talk about anything much these days. Bob NP: Antony & The Johnsons, "Fistful Of Love" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie Well, after 10 years here I still have no idea what will get folks talking...here's a somewhat non-controversial topic that has interested me in the past week or so. There have been quite a few articles about the Barbie Doll turning 50 this year, and 1 state (West Virginia, of all places) is even looking to ban Barbies: http://tinyurl.com/cm6ddx Barbie gets in hot water I suppose because of her unobtainable physique, and the mental anguish she causes among females who can never hope to look like her. Now, I hold JMDL women in much higher regard than the general populace, and am wondering: 1. Did y'all grow up/play with Barbies? 2. If so, did doing so make you feel inadequate? I never had a Barbie (my older sister did and used to put on Barbie striptease shows much to the delight of me & my boyhood friends), but I did have Superman, Batman & GI Joe, and I never considered that I was supposed to look like them. Bob NP: The Police, "Behind My Camel" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 08:16:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie I never owned a Barbie doll when I was a kid. Wasnt really the Barbie doll type. But all the same, I did feel a twinge of envy for those who could afford them. This is a topic that may open up a can of worms, (or not) because the images that Barbie portrays go well and beyond just dolls. The images on magazine covers for one. Even though they are air brushed and even though I know they arent real...well there's an underlying expectation to be something that Im not. It's not so easy to 'not' buy into it because the images are everywhere...media etc etc...there's a model / a body type that women are meant to attain, and it is impossible. Lots of discrimnation out there, and pressure, beauty pagents, (inviting 7 year old girls into the competition of beauty contests....jesusHcrist!!!! and then try and shop for a bathing suit , it is devastating because the mirrors tell no lies and you know when you look in that mirror that you can no longer go swimming because you no longer have your long lost 20 something body and it just isnt okay at so many levels... there exists..expectations....snide remarks, comments, about women who have curves. Like women are bad for being curvaceous. Comments made about how we should be...and to what end. Evidence to this end....look at all the damned messages....Plastic surgery, diet ads, diet pills, lose weight and you'll be okay, that sort of thing. I can only speak for myself here, but it's about identity. If you have any extra weight on you at all, then you are perceived as nasty/lazy/fat all negative connotations that run deep in this culture. And it's never enough.. God help you if you have flaws. it's a complicated subject and one that isnt going away any time soon. I can go through my life feeling "okay" about how I look, but it still bothers me at some level, the whole physical expectations. The fashion industry feeds into this, just walk into the mall some time and see. I mean who the hell wears a size "zero" ??? Does that mean she doesnt exist? Why does it matter so much? It does, no matter how much anyone can say it does not. Fat is a feeling, and Im not sure when that happened but there it is. ANd if one "feels fat" it's a bad bad thing, a nasty thing, and therein lies the rub. and then there's the discrimination against aging women. Mags - --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Bob Muller wrote: From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie To: "Mags" , "Richard Goldman" , "JMDL" Received: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 10:51 AM Well, after 10 years here I still have no idea what will get folks talking....here's a somewhat non-controversial topic that has interested me in the past week or so. There have been quite a few articles about the Barbie Doll turning 50 this year, and 1 state (West Virginia, of all places) is even looking to ban Barbies: http://tinyurl.com/cm6ddx Barbie gets in hot water I suppose because of her unobtainable physique, and the mental anguish she causes among females who can never hope to look like her. Now, I hold JMDL women in much higher regard than the general populace, and am wondering: 1. Did y'all grow up/play with Barbies? 2. If so, did doing so make you feel inadequate? I never had a Barbie (my older sister did and used to put on Barbie striptease shows much to the delight of me & my boyhood friends), but I did have Superman, Batman & GI Joe, and I never considered that I was supposed to look like them. Bob NP: The Police, "Behind My Camel" __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 08:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Blue Motel Room and Refuge of the Roads Hello, These two songs say Joni was traveling in the southern USA which is cool. She talks about Winn Dixie which I know was or is a grocery store in the south. I've been to them in Florida. She also talks about white sand and the Gulf which could have been anywhere from the west coast of Florida to Alabama or maybe even all the way to Texas. Does anybody know if Joni traveled alone? These songs sound like she was traveling alone. What was she doing in the south I wonder? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:41:39 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room and Refuge of the Roads Hi Laura, yes it's well documented that Joni drove back from New York alone. From the article in 1988 in Q Magazine, or the Painting With Words & Music dvd she recounts the story... check it out on the jmdl website. Look up 'Mademoiselle Oink' 2009/3/7 Laura Stanley > Hello, > > These two songs say Joni was traveling in the southern USA which is cool. > She talks about Winn Dixie which I know was or is a grocery store in the > south. I've been to them in Florida. She also talks about white sand and > the Gulf which could have been anywhere from the west coast of Florida to > Alabama or maybe even all the way to Texas. > > Does anybody know if Joni traveled alone? These songs sound like she was > traveling alone. What was she doing in the south I wonder? > > Love, > Laura > - -- Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 agent: http://www.pelhamassociates.co.uk 01273 323 010 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 08:53:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room and Refuge of the Roads There is also a LOT of NEW information about this time in Joni's musical/personal history in the upcoming Michelle Mercer book. Don't miss it. Laura, she was traveling back to the west coast from New England, on her Hejira. Having lived in the Southeast since 1968, and shopping at the Winn Dixie for lots of those years, I thought it was very cool when that chain got a shoutout. They are still in business, but they moved out of our area a couple years ago. Bob, off for his Saturday run on a GORGEOUS day. NP: Mark Kozolek, "New Partner" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:28:42 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Mags" ; "Richard Goldman" ; "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie > Barbie gets in hot water I suppose because of her unobtainable > physique, and the mental anguish she causes among females who can > never hope to look like her. Now, I hold JMDL women in much higher > regard than the general populace, and am wondering: > > 1. Did y'all grow up/play with Barbies? Yes (my sister's) > 2. If so, did doing so make you feel inadequate? Inadequate is hardly the word I would use to describe it. Mark in Seattle (not one of the women of the JMDL and apologizing in advance for what may be a faux pas but I couldn't resist) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:15:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie doh. i have a feeling that mister muller wasnt being serious and now i'm embarrassed for my rant. sorry all. oh well. off to walk in the wildnerness of winterpeg~ - --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Mark Scott wrote: From: Mark Scott Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie To: "Bob Muller" , "Mags" , "Richard Goldman" , "JMDL" Received: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 12:28 PM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Mags" ; "Richard Goldman" ; "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie > Barbie gets in hot water I suppose because of her unobtainable physique, and the mental anguish she causes among females who can never hope to look like her. Now, I hold JMDL women in much higher regard than the general populace, and am wondering: > > 1. Did y'all grow up/play with Barbies? Yes (my sister's) > 2. If so, did doing so make you feel inadequate? Inadequate is hardly the word I would use to describe it. Mark in Seattle (not one of the women of the JMDL and apologizing in advance for what may be a faux pas but I couldn't resist) __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:24:37 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie Not the case - I was actually seriously asking the question, and I appreciated your response. And I'm totally with you on the sick, twisted kid's beauty pageants where toddlers to pre-teens are presented as physical objects. It is truly disgusting. Here in SC there are a million of "Wee Little Miss ________" (fill-in-the-blank with name of town/city) and they parade them around, pictures in the papers, etc. And sometimes on the same page of the paper is an account of some child molester. Bob NP: Alyssa Wright, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:40:57 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Blue Motel Room and Refuge of the Roads See also my annotations to "Blue Motel Room": http://jonimitchell.com/musician/song.cfm?id=BlueMotelRoom She undoubtedly would have seen the sign on Tybee Island: END US 80 MY OTHER END IS IN SAN DIEGO And know she had coast to coast / just to contemplate. Fortunately, no one had seen fit to annotate "boom-boom-pachyderm" ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:54 AM To: Jamie Zubairi Home; Laura Stanley Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room and Refuge of the Roads There is also a LOT of NEW information about this time in Joni's musical/personal history in the upcoming Michelle Mercer book. Don't miss it. Laura, she was traveling back to the west coast from New England, on her Hejira. Having lived in the Southeast since 1968, and shopping at the Winn Dixie for lots of those years, I thought it was very cool when that chain got a shoutout. They are still in business, but they moved out of our area a couple years ago. Bob, off for his Saturday run on a GORGEOUS day. NP: Mark Kozolek, "New Partner" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:14:09 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie And I apologize to both Mags and Bob for my part in this. Mags, You made a lot of very valid points in your post. I was not meaning to make fun of you or to put a damper on any kind of discussion. My humor does not always come across very well and in this case it seems it was ill-timed. Alas, I am no Smurf. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Mags" ; "JMDL" ; "Mark Scott" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie > Not the case - I was actually seriously asking the question, and I > appreciated your response. > > And I'm totally with you on the sick, twisted kid's beauty pageants > where toddlers to pre-teens are presented as physical objects. It is > truly disgusting. Here in SC there are a million of "Wee Little Miss > ________" (fill-in-the-blank with name of town/city) and they parade > them around, pictures in the papers, etc. And sometimes on the same > page of the paper is an account of some child molester. > > Bob > > NP: Alyssa Wright, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie no need to apologize mark, at all. no offense taken. it's just a tender topic with me and i'm not having the best day, so there you have it. another day, i would have made some smart ass remark about barbie, and how my daughter, and her friends made barbie into Punk Barbie, cutting her hair off spikey short, one earring, black make up, the whole nine yards. it was great. i think the problem with barbie and the like is that whole girly girl thing. not that there's anything wrong with being a girly girl, but geeze, get out into the garden and dig roads, and play trucks and whatever. nevermnid, doint want to start sounding redundant. i hear ya Bob, re those stupid contests. It makes me sick to see that even high school girls are pressured to buy uber expensive prom dresses, get all dolled up to the nines, and parade around the school hallways. And that's high school!!! what happens if your family cant afford the bling or the limo. See what I mean. Stupid! Mags - --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Mark Scott wrote: From: Mark Scott Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie To: "Bob Muller" , "Mags" , "JMDL" Received: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 2:14 PM And I apologize to both Mags and Bob for my part in this. Mags, You made a lot of very valid points in your post. I was not meaning to make fun of you or to put a damper on any kind of discussion. My humor does not always come across very well and in this case it seems it was ill-timed. Alas, I am no Smurf. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Mags" ; "JMDL" ; "Mark Scott" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie > Not the case - I was actually seriously asking the question, and I appreciated your response. > > And I'm totally with you on the sick, twisted kid's beauty pageants where toddlers to pre-teens are presented as physical objects. It is truly disgusting. Here in SC there are a million of "Wee Little Miss ________" (fill-in-the-blank with name of town/city) and they parade them around, pictures in the papers, etc. And sometimes on the same page of the paper is an account of some child molester. > > Bob > > NP: Alyssa Wright, "Both Sides Now" > > > __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:37:58 -0600 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room and Refuge of the Roads It is also noteworthy that she was driving across the country ("the burning desert"), prolifically composing, but limited to guitar only - she had no access to a piano. It could be her only album (maybe besides STAS and Clouds) that is all acoustic guitar. (Of course, she had additional musicians in the studio, and Jaco's bass parts were overdubbed at a later time, but that's probably another thread). ~Dan On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > See also my annotations to "Blue Motel Room": > http://jonimitchell.com/musician/song.cfm?id=BlueMotelRoom > > She undoubtedly would have seen the sign on Tybee Island: > END > US 80 > MY OTHER > END IS IN > SAN DIEGO > > And know she had coast to coast / just to contemplate. > > Fortunately, no one had seen fit to annotate "boom-boom-pachyderm" ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob > Muller > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:54 AM > To: Jamie Zubairi Home; Laura Stanley > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room and Refuge of the Roads > > There is also a LOT of NEW information about this time in Joni's > musical/personal history in the upcoming Michelle Mercer book. Don't miss > it. > > Laura, she was traveling back to the west coast from New England, on her > Hejira. Having lived in the Southeast since 1968, and shopping at the Winn > Dixie for lots of those years, I thought it was very cool when that chain > got a shoutout. They are still in business, but they moved out of our area > a > couple years ago. > > Bob, off for his Saturday run on a GORGEOUS day. > > NP: Mark Kozolek, "New Partner" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:09:38 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: NJC - Favorite kids toys I didn't have a Barbie when I was young, I had a doll called "Chatty Cathy" and another named "Tressy Tessy." Chatty Cathy had a record inside her that when I pulled a string would randomly say a variety of things. Tressy Tessy had a key and a "winder" in her navel, press the button pull her hair and it grew out of the center of her head, use the key to roll it back short again. For the last 30 yrs, at Christmas, I have collected Barbies; the ones that are holiday themed but in a skinny box bought from the drug store or grocery store. Last Christmas (2008) I honestly didn't want to get out all my ornaments to decorate the tree, I just wasn't feeling very festive, so I got out my Barbies and decorated our tree with those instead, it was kind of cool for a change of pace. My favorite toys while I was growing up in England was my spirograph. I got it as a gift for my 11th or 12th birthday (I'm 54 now) and I still have it in it's original, albeit battered, box. I also still have my original Monopoly game from England in it's box. Some of my other favorite toys were my pogo stick and a Moulton bicycle which I had to share with my sisters. I have silly putty on my desk now, a slinky and a kaleidoscope. Warmly, Cassy NP: TV in the distant background If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:49:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie That's true, and I would argue that the men have caught up with the women in terms of meeting an impossible standard. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Don't Take Me Alive" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:57:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie i hear that. i agree with that. - --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Bob Muller wrote: From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie To: "Mark Scott" , "Mags" , "JMDL" Received: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 7:49 PM That's true, and I would argue that the men have caught up with the women in terms of meeting an impossible standard. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Don't Take Me Alive" __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:14:13 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mags" To: "Bob Muller" ; "JMDL" ; "Mark Scott" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Cyclops Movie: or: We are All Earthlings [njc] Now Barbie > i think the problem with barbie and the like is that whole girly > girl thing. > not that there's anything wrong with being a girly girl, but geeze, > get out > into the garden and dig roads, and play trucks and whatever. > And I was coming at it from the opposite perspective. In the early 60s (in Iowa, anyway), it was taboo for a boy to be playing with a Barbie doll. I was teased relentlessly by neighborhood kids & school mates. I remember even trying to make clothes for it. Unfortunately, I had no natural aptitude for this. My mother was the seamstress in the family and she made a beautiful wedding dress for my sister's Barbie out of a piece of satin from one of my aunt's wedding gowns. It 'mysteriously' disappeared and Mom was always convinced that one of my sister's friends pinched it. I would hate to be held up to such a ridiculous standard as Barbie's figure represents. But then being gay in the 80s (and still today, to some extent) was not exactly without its standards for what your body should look like. If you weren't buff, you weren't considered 'hot'. And there were all kinds of epithets for those who did not meet the standard, whether it be because of weight, age or whatever. Mark in Seattle where snow showers are predicted and who is trying not to cringe at the thought of it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:24:00 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC - Favorite kids toys - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassy" To: "JMDL" I didn't have a Barbie when I was young, I had a doll called "Chatty Cathy" > and another named "Tressy Tessy." Tressy Tessy had a key and a > "winder" in her navel, press the button pull her hair and it grew > out of the center of her head, use the key to roll it back short > again. My sister had one of these dolls as well. I liked playing with it too. It was fun to play around with her hair. It seems to me that the packaging for that doll had pictures for suggested hairdos. Maybe I'm imaging that part. > My favorite toys while I was growing up in England was my > spirograph. I got > it as a gift for my 11th or 12th birthday (I'm 54 now) and I still > have it in > it's original, albeit battered, box. I had a Spirograph, too! I loved it! I also had a Super Spirograph that allowed you to build different shapes for your designs. Unfortunately, both toys are long gone. Kenner made building sets with miniature plastic girders and panels that you could use to build bridges or any kind of building your imagination could come up with. I loved those as well. So I guess I wasn't completely a 'girlie-boy' while I was growing up (quoting Ah-nuld, here, not you, Mags). lol! And, like Sue MacNamara, I also had an Etch-a-Sketch that was another favorite. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:50:20 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: emergence of joni mitchell Excuse me if this has been posted before, but I came across this on the kvmr.org community radio website looking for a potential Joni Mitchell program on Sunday Mar. 8 at 12 noon. You can stream the radio show via computer at kvmr. org. Anyway, here's a previous show "The Emergence of Joni Mitchell" done on Nov. 16, 2008 celebrating her 65th birthday. Hope you enjoy this tasty morsel. http://www.kvmr.org/programs/sunshowcase/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:40:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: NJC - Favorite kids toys etchasketch was great fun, i think you can still get those. we had a house full of kids and had to share the toys, so i grew up playing with boy toys hahaha as well. and i did dig in the back garden, the sandbox, which had no sand, just dirt, and we built roads and played with the little cars and trucks for hours. and then there was my bike, a boys bike of course lol! i think we had a spirograph around too..didnt play much with that...was more into the charcoal/pencils on paper. john nagy set anyone ? we had a young guest over for the day, and during dinner, we played a mixed CD of Joni songs that he made up randomly for me. Sweet kid. Is quite in awe of my Joni records, as LPs are coming back in style with a fury up here. The kid has eclectic taste in music and even picked up an LP .. Deja Vu..he was all excited to show me the cover art signed by Joni...too cute for words. Kids, gotta love em. Mags mags, enjoying the nostalgia. - --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Mark Scott wrote: From: Mark Scott Subject: Re: NJC - Favorite kids toys To: "Cassy" , "JMDL" Received: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 7:24 PM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassy" To: "JMDL" I didn't have a Barbie when I was young, I had a doll called "Chatty Cathy" > and another named "Tressy Tessy." Tressy Tessy had a key and a "winder" in her navel, press the button pull her hair and it grew out of the center of her head, use the key to roll it back short again. My sister had one of these dolls as well. I liked playing with it too. It was fun to play around with her hair. It seems to me that the packaging for that doll had pictures for suggested hairdos. Maybe I'm imaging that part. > My favorite toys while I was growing up in England was my spirograph. I got > it as a gift for my 11th or 12th birthday (I'm 54 now) and I still have it in > it's original, albeit battered, box. I had a Spirograph, too! I loved it! I also had a Super Spirograph that allowed you to build different shapes for your designs. Unfortunately, both toys are long gone. Kenner made building sets with miniature plastic girders and panels that you could use to build bridges or any kind of building your imagination could come up with. I loved those as well. So I guess I wasn't completely a 'girlie-boy' while I was growing up (quoting Ah-nuld, here, not you, Mags). lol! And, like Sue MacNamara, I also had an Etch-a-Sketch that was another favorite. Mark in Seattle __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:49:33 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: (NJC) Barbie I had Barbies---I think I even had a "Skipper," with the bendable arms and knees (??)---am I dreaming this?--LOL--wasn't she a red-haired tomboy type? I don't recall being envious of Barbie's bod (as we used to say), but I was definitely envious of her wardrobe. Or rather, my friend Mary Duff's Barbie's wardrobe. Her grandmother and mother were both expert seamstresses and knitters, so she had a lot of beautiful and unique doll clothes. I don't think I ever aspired to have a Barbie figure--at that age I was wanting more to be a Twiggy type--almost as bad, and just as unattainable for most women. I think the Barbie figure was just more of what we saw in the movies, up until the late 60s, at least: big boobs, tiny waist, long, long shapely-but-thin legs. It didn't matter where you got the message because the message was *everywhere.* ** I agree w/all Mags said, with just one addition: "The fashion industry feeds into this, just walk into the mall some time and see." I think the fashion industry *created this*, and continues, of course, to feed it. "I mean who the hell wears a size "zero" ??? Does that mean she doesnt exist?" I think that's just a brilliant observation! And yes, that is EXACTLY how one feels---if you don't conform to a certain made-up, unrealistic standard, you can easily feel like you're nothing, that you may as well not exist. (I know, sounds like hyperbole, but for many, it's not.) It can be an epic struggle to fight with yourself over this particular self-esteem issue. "Why does it matter so much? It does, no matter how much anyone can say it does not." Yes, it most certainly does. And what's so ridiculous is that it's all about the culture. We all know that in the history of humans, this is a relatively recent preference. I'm not saying I wish I'd lived in the time of Rubens, to pick an obvious example, but I feel a lot better when I look at paintings from that era! Anyway, this is a very sensitive topic for a lot of folks, and not just women---tho we're clearly in the majority on this one. Anorexia and bulimia, for instance, occurs in men, but far less than in women. Just wanted to add, Mags, that you needn't apologize for your rant---and don't get me started on the way aging women are portrayed and treated!! ;-) T NP: the "Hissing" demos ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #76 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------