From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #61 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 23 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 061 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni in the movies [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Joni in movies ["Marion Leffler" ] Joni & Morgellons the fiber disease on their Discussion Board [est86mlm@a] Re: Joni in movies [Mags ] Re: Joni & Morgellons [Lucy Hone ] Shemekia Copeland's "Black Crow" on NPR ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: SV: Joni in movies [Mags ] Oscar Ballot - NJC ["Cassy" ] The Only Joy in Town [William Waddell ] Re: The Only Joy in Town [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Only Joy in Town ["Jill Haas" ] What is the "Jungle line" about? [anon anon ] Re: The Fiddle & The Drum Tour ["Laurie Fuhr" ] Re: The Only Joy in Town [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Re: What is the "Jungle line" about? [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Fiddle & The Drum Tour ["Randy Remote" ] Re: The Only Joy in Town ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Will You Take Me As I Am ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Will You Take Me As I Am ["gene" ] Re: Will You Take Me As I Am [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni in Seattle 1972 [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Will You Take Me As I Am [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Giving James Taylor his due, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Giving James Taylor his due, njc [Gerald Notaro ] Re: The Only Joy in Town [Mark Angelo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:16:06 +0100 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Joni in the movies For me a faovorite moment I think is that both in the film Mark worte about "Love actually" and also in Cameron Croes great movie "Almost Famoyus" there are some small clips of Joni's "River" Haunting as always ! Oddmund Iceland rules Laura ! They will survive !!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:57:31 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Joni in movies I can't remember the title of the movie correctly but it was something like To build a house (translated from the Swedish title, anyway). The movie is about the relationship of a divorced couple and their son's relationship with his father. When the father learns he has cancer he keeps this information to himself to begin with anyway and starts building a house during summer school vacations. The son, a troubled teenager, is helping him, more or less forced by his mother who wants him to have a closer relationship with his father. Anyway, the Joni moment is when the divorced couple dances alone in a garden pavilion to BSN. It really is a touching scene, indicating they have seen life from both sides now and realize that they really do not know it but accept the changes. Needless to say, it's the 2000 version. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:05:54 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni & Morgellons the fiber disease on their Discussion Board Poor Joni! I remember seeing a TV show about this on Mystery ER or something on the Discovery Channel. Remember telling my hubby about the "Fiber" Disease. It was awful but fascinating. FYI: There is a discussion about Joni and the disease at the Morgellons-Disease-Research site. There is alot of information here by persons suffering from this disease. Scroll down until you see the discussion boards and click on JONI MITCHELL BEING TREATED. http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/index.php?topic=524.0 Laura O. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:27:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Joni in movies hi Marion, the movie was called "Life As A House" starring Kevin Kline and Kristen Scott Thomas.They dance to the 2000 version of Both Sides Now. Nary a dry eye in the house at that point. Mags - --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Marion Leffler wrote: From: Marion Leffler Subject: Joni in movies To: joni@smoe.org Cc: "'Mark-Leon Thorne'" Received: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 4:57 AM I can't remember the title of the movie correctly but it was something like To build a house (translated from the Swedish title, anyway). The movie is about the relationship of a divorced couple and their son's relationship with his father. When the father learns he has cancer he keeps this information to himself to begin with anyway and starts building a house during summer school vacations. The son, a troubled teenager, is helping him, more or less forced by his mother who wants him to have a closer relationship with his father. Anyway, the Joni moment is when the divorced couple dances alone in a garden pavilion to BSN. It really is a touching scene, indicating they have seen life from both sides now and realize that they really do not know it but accept the changes. Needless to say, it's the 2000 version. Marion __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:35:46 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: Joni & Morgellons Corey, your post about (amongst other things)... migraine - heavily edited below - A friend of mine has had the most apalling migraines for years and has just had a large amount of dental work done to realign her "bite" and the migraines have disappeared. She had suffered greatlly with stress (for all sorts of now passed reasons) and this had caused her to clench her jaw very hard at night and this had made her muscles spasm and her jaw and teeth go out of line... This meant that there was stress in her skull and all the muscles in her jaw, neck and head. The stress symptoms had been treated but not their physical affect on her skull musculature or her teeth. The change in her is incredible and she still needs to make sure that she takes time to relax still (she is someone who does suffer with bouts of stress) to prevent the muscles spasming again like that but she is by her own accounts a new woman,, Worth looking into perhaps if not already considered. Lucy Hoping Joni will be getting the sort of help that she should. >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:02:44 -0800 >From: Corey Blake >Subject: Re: Joni & Morgellons >EDIT.............. I also have a good friend who has been living >with frequently recurring migraines for over half of her life, with no >answers as to the cause. It's maddening and disrespectful to be >treated like some doctors treat their patients when they don't have a >straightforward open-and-shut diagnosis to give. CUT>>>>>>>>>>>> > >- -Corey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:52:35 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Shemekia Copeland's "Black Crow" on NPR The audio won't be available till noon EST, but Shemekia Copeland discussed her version of "Black Crow" on this morning's Weekend Edition: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100940791 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:10:47 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni in movies Thank you Mags for the correct title of the movie! I really liked this movie! And I am not even a fan of Kevin Kline but he played this character perfectly. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mags Skickat: den 22 februari 2009 15:27 Till: joni@smoe.org; Marion Leffler Kopia: 'Mark-Leon Thorne' Dmne: Re: Joni in movies hi Marion, the movie was called "Life As A House" starring Kevin Kline and Kristen Scott Thomas.They dance to the 2000 version of Both Sides Now. Nary a dry eye in the house at that point. Mags - --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Marion Leffler wrote: From: Marion Leffler Subject: Joni in movies To: joni@smoe.org Cc: "'Mark-Leon Thorne'" Received: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 4:57 AM I can't remember the title of the movie correctly but it was something like To build a house (translated from the Swedish title, anyway). The movie is about the relationship of a divorced couple and their son's relationship with his father. When the father learns he has cancer he keeps this information to himself to begin with anyway and starts building a house during summer school vacations. The son, a troubled teenager, is helping him, more or less forced by his mother who wants him to have a closer relationship with his father. Anyway, the Joni moment is when the divorced couple dances alone in a garden pavilion to BSN. It really is a touching scene, indicating they have seen life from both sides now and realize that they really do not know it but accept the changes. Needless to say, it's the 2000 version. Marion __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: SV: Joni in movies Hi Marion, I love that movie, and one of the reasons why I rented it was because of Kevin ;--) Im a long time fan. But I do love the tenderness in the 2000 version of Both Sides now, as well as Case of You. The sorrow within nearly kills me. Mags - --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Marion Leffler wrote: From: Marion Leffler Subject: SV: Joni in movies To: "'Mags'" , joni@smoe.org Cc: "'Mark-Leon Thorne'" Received: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 12:10 PM Thank you Mags for the correct title of the movie! I really liked this movie! And I am not even a fan of Kevin Kline but he played this character perfectly. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mags Skickat: den 22 februari 2009 15:27 Till: joni@smoe.org; Marion Leffler Kopia: 'Mark-Leon Thorne' Dmne: Re: Joni in movies hi Marion, the movie was called "Life As A House" starring Kevin Kline and Kristen Scott Thomas.They dance to the 2000 version of Both Sides Now. Nary a dry eye in the house at that point. Mags - --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Marion Leffler wrote: From: Marion Leffler Subject: Joni in movies To: joni@smoe.org Cc: "'Mark-Leon Thorne'" Received: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 4:57 AM I can't remember the title of the movie correctly but it was something like To build a house (translated from the Swedish title, anyway). The movie is about the relationship of a divorced couple and their son's relationship with his father. When the father learns he has cancer he keeps this information to himself to begin with anyway and starts building a house during summer school vacations. The son, a troubled teenager, is helping him, more or less forced by his mother who wants him to have a closer relationship with his father. Anyway, the Joni moment is when the divorced couple dances alone in a garden pavilion to BSN. It really is a touching scene, indicating they have seen life from both sides now and realize that they really do not know it but accept the changes. Needless to say, it's the 2000 version. Marion __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:12:57 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Oscar Ballot - NJC Does anyone have a link to a printable Oscar Ballot for tonight? I'd like to have our family each do their own predictions to see who gets the most correct. Thanks Cassy If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:10:04 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: The Only Joy in Town Just returned from Rome, where I found myself singing about the Botticelli black boy time and time again. Got to thinking about the lyrics - which I couldn't fully recall - and began to think Joni must've been in a bit of a grouch when she wrote that song. The only joy in town; where are Fellini's circuses; [she was] looking at the only joy in town - how could she not have been awed and inspired by the place? So, I looked up the lyrics and well maybe she was -ish. 'I want to paint a picture..' Still, the feeling I get was that that was the only joy in town she found. Maybe she was in the same frame of mind circa Edinburgh '83? As always, her words are so open to interpretation. I see the song stands at 147 in the current song poll. Testament to her depth as a songwriter. I love it. Guglielmox http://williamwaddell.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail, Messenger, Photos and more - all with the new Windows Live. Get started! http://www.download.live.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:01:39 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Only Joy in Town I think she thought the guy was so hot that everything else paled in comparison. - --- On Sun, 2/22/09, William Waddell wrote: Just returned from Rome, where I found myself singing about the Botticelli black boy time and time again. Got to thinking about the lyrics - which I couldn't fully recall - and began to think Joni must've been in a bit of a grouch when she wrote that song. The only joy in town; where are Fellini's circuses; [she was] looking at the only joy in town - how could she not have been awed and inspired by the place? So, I looked up the lyrics and well maybe she was -ish. 'I want to paint a picture..' Still, the feeling I get was that that was the only joy in town she found. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:23:35 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re: The Only Joy in Town Oddly, that song ran through my head lately, and I've not been to Rome--I think the lyric, "the only joy in town," was what put the song on my mental playlist. I was in a rather depressed state but still enjoying a sunlit sky in Seattle--the song popped into my head, then I thought about Botticelli's angels, and what the black boy must have looked like--perhaps soft and round and comforting in a tough time... Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > I think she thought the guy was so hot that everything else paled in comparison. > > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, William Waddell wrote: > > Just returned from Rome, where I found myself singing about the Botticelli > black boy time and time again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:45:04 -0500 From: anon anon Subject: What is the "Jungle line" about? Does anyone have any ideas about what "the jungle line" is about? It seems to be about the painting and journeys of Henri Rousseau... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 022009 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:21:05 -0700 From: "Laurie Fuhr" Subject: Re: The Fiddle & The Drum Tour Hi Listers, Regarding recent conversation about the above, I thought I'd better communicate a bit about The Fiddle & The Drum tour - at least what little I know about it! I've been FedEx-ing out press kits for our Director of Production & Touring, Harry, for at least 6 months now, trying to arouse interest from venues in major cities in the U.S. and in the U.K. A separate company fields for interest over the phone I think, and then when they get a bite, they send us a message with a contact and address to send the package to and we send it out post haste. The packages contain all the great press we've had on the ballet (both the shorter version from last season called Dancing Joni and the new full-length version, now entitled officially: "Joni Mitchell's The Fiddle & The Drum"), and we also send a copy of the DVD now that we have it and a very titillating letter that includes a really impressive Joni quote: "The ballet is beautiful, and it's the most exciting thing I've ever done." So I've been having really high hopes about the prospect of a tour for ages now! Unfortunately however, I came in today (a Sunday) to work on a Canada Council grant for the literary magazine I edit in the off hours (Filling Station). (Lucky for me my boss said he didn't mind if I came in! Talk about a perk.. the magazine can't afford an office yet but hopefully we will one day). The Executive Director came in, and he mentioned things weren't looking good for an extended Canadian tour, a U.S. tour, or a European tour. The recession is hitting Canada as well as the States, and we're starting to feel it, especially with recent government cutbacks to funding for arts programs in Canada which included the dissolution of an important program called PromArt (basically the main touring fund for Canadian artists to go abroad). So our resources are limited, no matter how great of a ballet we have going for us.. and with the economy the way it is and a lot of sentiment within the United States about supporting one's own (rather than foreign investment), and rightly so, a lot of interested theatres are re-examining their budgets and are not, as Darryl has put it, 'Signing on the dotted line' even though we have a LOT of positive interest. Now, Joni's an optimist as with the rest of us, and she'd really like the tour to happen too, as she stated in her Billboard interview. But no matter how much pull she has, or how much pull we have as fans, if the theatres aren't signing contracts we can't have a tour. So it's depressing to think, after so much effort (and after seeing what a beautiful, important artistic creation The Fiddle & The Drum ballet is), that it's looking like the tour won't happen! But you know what, I loathe to give up on it, and I know a lot of the rest of us would hate to give up on it also, including Joni. So I'd like to say, in response to those who have been discussing it, that it certainly couldn't hurt to express to the right people how much you'd like the ballet to come your way! If you're feeling brave, it couldn't hurt to call theatres and auditoriums (probably the larger ones that could afford to pay for touring entertainment) and ask for the big cheese (Director of Programming probably, in most cases) and tell them about the ballet, how popular it is in Canada, and tell them how much you and so many other people in your town or city would like to see it. Writing letters or emails to the person you spoke to would be great too as reinforcement, so they have something to show their co-workers! You can include our contact info if you like in case they would like information; our Director of Production & Touring's full name is Harry Paterson, he's available at the number in my sig file below but at Extension 524. His email is harryp@albertaballet.com And if anyone does take it upon themselves to do this, you have my utmost gratitude, and I'd also ask that you email a copy of your letter my way and the name of the person & theatre it was addressed to. Then I can pass that to Harry and maybe he can add them to the packages he's sending out! I would ask though that people *please* don't call or write Harry directly asking him to bring the tour to their theatre. Harry's doing his best but if there's no funds and no support from theatres we're approaching, no matter how much we'd like the ballet to tour he can't do much about it. Harry is definitely well-invested in making the tour happen. Also, Harry's really busy and might take issue with me passing out his personal contact info, for sure. I trust all of you will use your discussion and honour my request not to approach him. Thanks to everyone who cares about this ballet!! Please let me know what you think of the DVD? Peace love & understanding, Laurie NP: Neko Case, fr. Middle Cyclone: 'This Tornado Loves You' p.s. Thanks to Marion and others for posting about Morgellon. I'd heard around the office that Joni's health wasn't 100% by any means, that it could affect her ability to make it to town for performances, and that she was trying to keep that a secret (I imagine she probably wouldn't want people to fuss over her about it). But that's basically all I'd heard about it until this article too, I'm surprised it came up with Billboard or maybe they got it from somewhere else... anyway, it's good to actually find out more about it because I've been worried. And I'm really, really glad it's not something worse - obviously it's no fun and probably really irritating to live with, but when you hear someone's sick in a bad way and you don't know what it is, your imagination can slide into darker territory. p.p.s. On a happy note - I can't believe how great these boots are! Thanks so much to Lister Sue Cameron for sending them. I should have known Joni's stage banter would be so sweet and humble. As Sue said in her note with the boots, 'Nothing brightens one day quite so much as new Joni'. :-) Laurie Fuhr | Administrative Assistant | ALBERTA BALLET | p: 403.245.4222 ext 521 | f: 403.245.6573 | laurief@albertaballet.com | www.albertaballet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:24:55 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: The Only Joy in Town I think it's more like she was SO inspired by the town that everything becomes beautiful. I was thinking of 'OJIT' when I went to Rome a couple of years ago and on the Spanish Steps is nothing but tourists and North African peddlers (pedlars?) who do get quite annoying as they tend not to leave you alone. Rome must've been amazing, she must've been inspired by the paintings enough to see beyond them and into their beauty and patter 'you are the air my flowers breathe'. Either that, or as Catherine say, the guy must've been really HOT! 2009/2/22 William Waddell > Just returned from Rome, where I found myself singing about the Botticelli > black boy time and time again. Got to thinking about the lyrics - which I > couldn't fully recall - and began to think Joni must've been in a bit of a > grouch when she wrote that song. The only joy in town; where are Fellini's > circuses; [she was] looking at the only joy in town - how could she not > have > been awed and inspired by the place? So, I looked up the lyrics and well > maybe she was -ish. 'I want to paint a picture..' Still, the feeling I > get > was that that was the only joy in town she found. Maybe she was in the > same > frame of mind circa Edinburgh '83? As always, her words are so open to > interpretation. > I see the song stands at 147 in the current song poll. Testament to her > depth > as a songwriter. I love it. > Guglielmox > > http://williamwaddell.blogspot.com/ > > - -- Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 agent: http://www.pelhamassociates.co.uk 01273 323 010 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What is the "Jungle line" about? Civilization vs nature Middle class values vs down-and-dirty dives Rich vs poor Jazz Drugs Architecture vs jungle Modern vs ancient Control vs lack thereof - --- On Sun, 2/22/09, anon anon wrote: From: anon anon Subject: What is the "Jungle line" about? To: joni@smoe.org Received: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 4:45 PM Does anyone have any ideas about what "the jungle line" is about? It seems to be about the painting and journeys of Henri Rousseau... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 022009 __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:52:32 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re: What is the "Jungle line" about? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "anon anon" Subject: What is the "Jungle line" about? I'll leave the analysys of the lyrics to better literary minds than mine, but I always saw the song (using Rousseau as a launching place, and then morphing into NYC jazz music and heroin use) speaking, on the surface, about how "the jungle line" (heroin) runs through all sectors of modern society. Metaphorically speaking, I see "the jungle line" as a symbol for our animal nature, only so thinly covered by about the thin veneer of modern society. The first verse is pretty all inclusive--no part of society is exempt. Take it from here, you brilliant Jonilistas!!! Waiting impatiently, Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:06:29 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The Fiddle & The Drum Tour Thanks for your 'in the trenches' report(s), Laurie. Let's hope the tour can happen. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:18:26 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: The Only Joy in Town I think there is a hint of nostalgia in the song for her younger, more care-free days. She must have visited Rome at some point during her earlier European adventures (maybe I'll go to Amsterdam or maybe I'll go to Rome). Times change and maybe the memory of that time when 'in my youth I would have followed him all through this terra cotta town' made things appear a bit less exciting than they used to be. And, yes, I think the guy was probably really hot! But the days of her following him to 'dance and sing and be the only joy in town' are long gone. I can see how it could color her surroundings, making this 'flower child' the only joy in town. Unless she wants to be like Vivien Leigh's character in 'The Roman Spring of Mrs. Stone'. lol! Mark in Seattle (who would love to visit Rome for *all* of the scenery!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Waddell" To: "Joni Mitchell" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: The Only Joy in Town > Just returned from Rome, where I found myself singing about the > Botticelli > black boy time and time again. Got to thinking about the lyrics - > which I > couldn't fully recall - and began to think Joni must've been in a > bit of a > grouch when she wrote that song. The only joy in town; where are > Fellini's > circuses; [she was] looking at the only joy in town - how could she > not have > been awed and inspired by the place? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:23:42 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Will You Take Me As I Am - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" To: Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Will You Take Me As I Am It has a meditative quality that > reminded me precisely about how I felt when I was coming of age with > Joni's > music. I didn't care about who her boyfriend was; I wanted to > know, "How > does she understand so well the way I feel?" This is *exactly* what I felt when I first started getting into Joni's music. This book goes a long way > toward exploring that question, ..... The book so exceeded my expectations that I couldn't put it down till I > finished it. I am envious, Richard. You are a lucky man. Sounds like something well worth putting some money down for. I am still waiting for Weller's book to turn up somewhere in a used book store at a reasonable price. I just don't feel like paying the full price that they want for for a new copy of it. Ok, so I'm a cheap-skate. Mark the penny-pincher in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:45:55 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Will You Take Me As I Am 16.49 w/ free shipping at bad at amazon.com. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Scott" To: "Richard Flynn" ; Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Will You Take Me As I Am > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Flynn" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:56 AM > Subject: Will You Take Me As I Am > > > It has a meditative quality that >> reminded me precisely about how I felt when I was coming of age with >> Joni's >> music. I didn't care about who her boyfriend was; I wanted to >> know, "How >> does she understand so well the way I feel?" > > This is *exactly* what I felt when I first started getting into Joni's > music. > > This book goes a long way >> toward exploring that question, ..... > > The book so exceeded my expectations that I couldn't put it down till > I >> finished it. > > I am envious, Richard. You are a lucky man. Sounds like something > well worth putting some money down for. I am still waiting for > Weller's book to turn up somewhere in a used book store at a > reasonable price. I just don't feel like paying the full price that > they want for for a new copy of it. > > Ok, so I'm a cheap-skate. > > Mark the penny-pincher in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Will You Take Me As I Am Sounds very, very intriguing, I will definitely put this on my to read list. - -Monika - --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Richard Flynn wrote: Jonilistas I had the great fortune to read the uncorrected proof of Michelle Mercer's forthcoming book. _Will You Take Me as I Am: Joni Mitchell's Blue Period_ and I can tell you that you are in for a real treat when it comes out in April. I read a lot of books about music and this one is really distinguished by the high quality of the writing. Mercer breaks with strict chronology that makes run-of-the-mill music criticism so uninteresting. Her discussion about "confessional" songwriting is fully informed by the literary history of confession from Augustine to Robert Lowell. There is a wonderful Joni monologue on Augustine--one of many fascinating excerpts from Mercer's original interviews. For me, she really captures the core appeal of the records that she focuses on--_Blue_ through _Hejira_--, blending memoir and biography with criticism in useful ways. The book really took me back to my own personal connections with the music. While I like gossip as much as anyone else, this book has none of the prurient interest of Sheila Weller's book; rather, it captures the intricate essence of the music. It has a meditative quality that reminded me precisely about how I felt when I was coming of age with Joni's music. I didn't care about who her boyfriend was; I wanted to know, "How does she understand so well the way I feel?" This book goes a long way toward exploring that question, summed up in the quotation from Wallace Stevens's "The Man with the Blue Guitar" that serves as the book's epigraph: And they said to him, "But play you must, A tune beyond us, yet ourselves, A tune upon the blue guitar, Of things exactly as they are. The book so exceeded my expectations that I couldn't put it down till I finished it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:04:10 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni in Seattle 1972 Oooh, thank you for sharing. What a treat. I'm most looking forward to hearing Banquet live. I absolutely love that song. Top something of something of my favorite Joni songs. - -Monika NR: Crime and Punishment - --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Bob Muller wrote: All this talk about Seattle now...reminds me that I've been meaning to post some more live Joni, so here's her 02-16-72 appearance at The Paramount Theater in Seattle. Tracklist: This Flight Tonight Electricity Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Big Yellow Taxi Blue For Free Banquet All I Want A Case Of You Carey Lesson In Survival Woodstock You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio Link: http://tinyurl.com/dcfkxw Enjoy! Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Emmie" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:21:40 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Will You Take Me As I Am Amazon has it but please order it through the link on jonimitchell.com as it supports the website. That's right isn't it? 2009/2/21 Richard Flynn > Jonilistas, > > I had the great fortune to read the uncorrected proof of Michelle Mercer's > forthcoming book. _Will You Take Me as I Am: Joni Mitchell's Blue Period_ > and I can tell you that you are in for a real treat when it comes out in > April. > > > I read a lot of books about music and this one is really distinguished by > the high quality of the writing. Mercer breaks with strict chronology that > makes run-of-the-mill music criticism so uninteresting. Her discussion > about "confessional" songwriting is fully informed by the literary history > of confession from Augustine to Robert Lowell. There is a wonderful Joni > monologue on Augustine--one of many fascinating excerpts from Mercer's > original interviews. > > > For me, she really captures the core appeal of the records that she focuses > on--_Blue_ through _Hejira_--, blending memoir and biography with criticism > in useful ways. The book really took me back to my own personal > connections > with the music. While I like gossip as much as anyone else, this book has > none of the prurient interest of Sheila Weller's book; rather, it captures > the intricate essence of the music. It has a meditative quality that > reminded me precisely about how I felt when I was coming of age with Joni's > music. I didn't care about who her boyfriend was; I wanted to know, "How > does she understand so well the way I feel?" This book goes a long way > toward exploring that question, summed up in the quotation from Wallace > Stevens's "The Man with the Blue Guitar" that serves as the book's > epigraph: > > > > And they said to him, "But play you must, > > A tune beyond us, yet ourselves, > > > > A tune upon the blue guitar, > > Of things exactly as they are. > > > > The book so exceeded my expectations that I couldn't put it down till I > finished it. > - -- Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 agent: http://www.pelhamassociates.co.uk 01273 323 010 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:50:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Giving James Taylor his due, njc The way I remember his discography is flawed. The way I remember it, "JT" followed a long absence but that's wrong: Covers 2008 One Man Band 2007 JT At Christmas 2006 October Road 2002 Hourglass 1997 James Taylor (Best Live) 1993? [1 CD] James Taylor (Live) 1993 [2 CDs] New Moon Shine 1991 Never Die Young 1988 That's Why I'm Here 1985 Dad Loves His Work 1981 Flag 1979 JT 1977 In the Pocket 1976 Gorilla 1975 Walking Man 1974 One Man Dog 1973 Mud Slide Slim 1971 Sweet Baby James 1970 James Taylor (Apple) 1968 The discography at www.jamestaylor.com doesn't go all the way back. The one above, from Wikipedia, lacks the "James Taylor (Live)" and "James Taylor (Best Live)" collections. I omitted the hits collections, just because that's what I do. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:38:51 -0500 From: Mark Angelo Subject: Re: The Only Joy in Town Very true Mark what you said - and the other comments by the other Jonilistas were quite insightful/informative as well. This song is from DED - which corresponds to the period where she found a different kind of romance with husband and now long-time friend Larry Klein - - Hejira seemed to be the major indicator that she was weary and tired of the "arc of love" romantic liasons she would find herself in in an almost repetitive-compulsive manner and she wanted desperately to free (an ever-present theme) herself of that cycle. The song "Lucky Girl" - not so coincidentally also off of DED - reflects this new attitude that Joni had acquired towards romantic pursuit and/or involvement. I'm a lucky girl I found my friend I've been all around the world (Paris & Rome too) Mission Impossible Chasing the rainbow's end Wise guys Shy guys And sly lover boys With big bad bedroom eyes I never loved a man I trusted As far as I could pitch my shoe 'Til I loved you As Mark said she seems to me to be reminiscing about an earlier period of her life and the almost chemical-type of attraction that would have probably resulted in a near automaton pursuit of this hot number, but luckily, instead, her acquired wisdom lead her to produce yet another masterpiece song (from her later works) that still go largely unrecognized by the masses. - -- - -Mark in Florida On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Mark Scott wrote: > I think there is a hint of nostalgia in the song for her younger, more > care-free days. She must have visited Rome at some point during her earlier > European adventures (maybe I'll go to Amsterdam or maybe I'll go to Rome). > Times change and maybe the memory of that time when 'in my youth I would > have followed him all through this terra cotta town' made things appear a > bit less exciting than they used to be. > > And, yes, I think the guy was probably really hot! > > But the days of her following him to 'dance and sing and be the only joy in > town' are long gone. I can see how it could color her surroundings, making > this 'flower child' the only joy in town. > > Unless she wants to be like Vivien Leigh's character in 'The Roman Spring > of Mrs. Stone'. lol! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:41:00 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Giving James Taylor his due, njc I saw Livingstone Taylor in concert last night. A wonderful talent. A great pianist. Jerry On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > The way I remember his discography is flawed. The way I remember it, > "JT" followed a long absence but that's wrong: > > Covers 2008 > One Man Band 2007 > JT At Christmas 2006 > October Road 2002 > Hourglass 1997 > James Taylor (Best Live) 1993? [1 CD] > James Taylor (Live) 1993 [2 CDs] > New Moon Shine 1991 > Never Die Young 1988 > That's Why I'm Here 1985 > Dad Loves His Work 1981 > Flag 1979 > JT 1977 > In the Pocket 1976 > Gorilla 1975 > Walking Man 1974 > One Man Dog 1973 > Mud Slide Slim 1971 > Sweet Baby James 1970 > James Taylor (Apple) 1968 > > The discography at www.jamestaylor.com doesn't go all the way back. The > one above, from Wikipedia, lacks the "James Taylor (Live)" and "James > Taylor (Best Live)" collections. I omitted the hits collections, just > because that's what I do. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:05:56 -0500 From: Mark Angelo Subject: Re: The Only Joy in Town OK need to correct myself here before someone else does - and I was even looking at NRH first and *knew* TOJIT was off of it - still corresponding to her period of marriage to ex-husband Larry Klein - so "Lucky Girl" from DED presages TOJIT. Other than I am losing my mind, the remarks made are still cogent I believe. - -- - -Mark in Florida - who has the paperwork etc... in motion to return back to Arizona in March (provided the "Debt Rattle" levels does not lead to a Naomi Klein Shock Doctrine event by TPTB which is coming sooner rather than later IMHO - OK I can hear those of you making the "tin foil" jokes even now!!! ;-) On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Mark Angelo wrote: > Very true Mark what you said - and the other comments by the other > Jonilistas were quite insightful/informative as well. > > This song is from DED - which corresponds to the period where she found a > different kind of romance with husband and now long-time friend Larry Klein > - Hejira seemed to be the major indicator that she was weary and tired of > the "arc of love" romantic liasons she would find herself in in an almost > repetitive-compulsive manner and she wanted desperately to free (an > ever-present theme) herself of that cycle. > > The song "Lucky Girl" - not so coincidentally also off of DED - reflects > this new attitude that Joni had acquired towards romantic pursuit and/or > involvement. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #61 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------