From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #58 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 20 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 058 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Pigeon holing etc., NJC ["aurabright@supanet.com" ] Re: Pigeon Hole, Ladies' Man, Hillary Clinton, njc [Laura Stanley ] Joni at Calgary Performances of The Fiddle & The Drum ["Laurie Fuhr" ] Re: This Just In!!! (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: This Just In!!! (njc) [Victor Johnson ] RE: sjc? Celebrating five years on the JMDL! [Sherelle Smith Subject: Pigeon holing etc., NJC Hi Rian, I think Mark has answered this to a degree but maybe you want to understand what a pigeon hole is and why it is used as a term for stereotyping. Pigeons have been used for carrying messages for centuries and the holes by which they arrive into in the pigeon loft are called pigeon holes. Pigeons tend to choose the pigeon hole they like and always seek out their particular spot in the pigeon loft to sit in. A pigeon keeper (pigeon fancier we say here in the UK) can tell if a particular pigeon is in as they will be found in their place. Additionally Pigeons are creatures of great habit, have particular movements they make in relation to other pigeons and like to be in familiar surroundings, that is why their homing instinct is so keen. So they are very defineable and "of a type". The term pigeon hole is commonly in use in the UK for any alloted space where mail is left for individual people to collect. Everyone has a small space for mail documents to be left...It is a common expression in offices to say "I need to check my pigeon hole for mail" I hope that explains the origin of the term.. I was told that Pigeons should not be stereotyped, its only the lack of opportunity that prevents them from being masters of the universe and the fact that they cannot drive cars too well and seem to come unstuck with trying to turn door knobs.. Also their absolute need to be back in their own patch makes them useless explorers - Home is where they want to be... Lucy Original Message: - ----------------- On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Rian Afriadi wrote: > During Clinton's visit to Indonesia, she mentioned something about "pigeon > hole" (as a verb). > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/washington/19diplo.html?_r=1&ref=world > > Joni used the phrase too on Ladies' Man. > > But, what is "pigeon holing?" > > > Rian - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #57 **************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:27:55 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Pigeon holing etc., NJC What they both said and add to this that, just as a pigeon seeks its usual "hole" (does that sound dirty to you?), so also do people tend to expect them to be there. So, if someone "pigeonholes" you or "puts you in a slot," then it means they already have a preconceived idea of who you are and what you're expected to do, and there you will remain. It could be expecting you to do the same job all your life because it's all they expect of you, or it could be like calling Joni a folk singer forever, even when she does jazz. Rights for pigeons! Now! - --- On Thu, 2/19/09, aurabright@supanet.com wrote: Hi Rian, I think Mark has answered this to a degree but maybe you want to understand what a pigeon hole is and why it is used as a term for stereotyping. [...] The term pigeon hole is commonly in use in the UK for any alloted space where mail is left for individual people to collect. Everyone has a small space for mail documents to be left...It is a common expression in offices to say "I need to check my pigeon hole for mail" I hope that explains the origin of the term.. I was told that Pigeons should not be stereotyped, its only the lack of opportunity that prevents them from being masters of the universe and the fact that they cannot drive cars too well and seem to come unstuck with trying to turn door knobs.. Also their absolute need to be back in their own patch makes them useless explorers - Home is where they want to be... Lucy __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:51:30 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Pigeon Hole, Ladies' Man, Hillary Clinton, njc Rian wrote: > During Clinton's visit to Indonesia, she mentioned > something about "pigeon > hole" (as a verb). > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/washington/19diplo.html?_r=1&ref=world > > Joni used the phrase too on Ladies' Man. > > But, what is "pigeon holing?" pi7geon7hole (pjn-hl) n. 1. A small compartment or recess, as in a desk, for holding papers; a cubbyhole. 2. A specific, often oversimplified category. 3. The small hole or holes in a pigeon loft for nesting. tr.v. pi7geon7holed, pi7geon7hol7ing, pi7geon7holes 1. To place or file in a small compartment or recess. 2. To classify mentally; categorize. 3. To put aside and ignore; shelve. The American Heritage. Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright )2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. pigeonhole Noun a small compartment, such as in a bureau, for filing papers Verb [-holing, -holed] 1. to classify or categorize 2. to put aside Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 ) HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:57:47 -0500 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Pigeon holing njc Gang, Pigeonhole definition | Dictionary.com noun . 1. one of a series of small, open compartments, as in a desk, cabinet, or the like, used for filing or sorting papers, letters, etc. 2. a hole or recess, or one of a series ... dictionary.reference.com/browse/Pigeonhole 7 Cached page Love, russ Westbound and rollin' _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:38:12 -0700 From: "Laurie Fuhr" Subject: Joni at Calgary Performances of The Fiddle & The Drum Hi Listers, This just in from Audrey in Box Office.. Joni sent a request for seating at all three evening performances of The Fiddle & The Drum in Calgary. She'll be sitting about 15 rows from the front on an aisle. Lots of tickets left if anyone can make it! And, if anyone can make it, it would be fun to meet up for a drink after one of the shows! We could have an impromptu Joni minifest :-) Okay, well, I'm in denial, but it sure would be nice if there were more Listers in Calgary. But I'm passing the word on to people who have come to get the CD & DVD in person at the Ballet office, so maybe we'll get a few. Super excited to finally get a Joni boot, thanks to Sue Cameron who said she would hook me up! LOL as I was writing this I had a call from Norway Lister, Oddmund! :-) I love the sound of a Norwegian accent (though I know for him I must have a thick Canadian brogue! ;) ). Laurie Laurie Fuhr | Administrative Assistant | ALBERTA BALLET | p: 403.245.4222 ext 521 | f: 403.245.6573 | laurief@albertaballet.com | www.albertaballet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:51:30 +0000 (UTC) From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: This Just In!!! (njc) Major announcement coming soon. B Stay tuned! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:45:55 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This Just In!!! (njc) It's njc so it's not Joni announcing a tour. Second coming of Christ maybe? Victor turns out to be the Messiah? Inquiring minds want to know. - --- On Thu, 2/19/09, waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: This Just In!!! (njc) To: joni@smoe.org Received: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:51 PM Major announcement coming soon. B Stay tuned! __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:30:17 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: This Just In!!! (njc) No Catherine, Victor will be Victoria soon :) Jimmy In a message dated 2/19/2009 4:47:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Second coming of Christ maybe? Victor turns out to be the Messiah? > > Inquiring minds want to know. > ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:06:53 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: This Just In!!! (njc) And that answer is......incorrect! Maybe I should take guesses and give a prize to the first person who nails it on the head. Don't you love suspense!!! On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:30 PM, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > No Catherine, Victor will be Victoria soon :) > > Jimmy > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 4:47:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca > writes: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:20:57 +0000 From: Sherelle Smith Subject: RE: sjc? Celebrating five years on the JMDL! I'm a little late mon amie but I can hardly believe it's been just five years! I feel I've known you all of my life!!! You are so sweet and dear to me Strawberry Fields Sister! I love you always!!! Sherelle From: loveuconn@hotmail.com To: joni@smoe.org; sherellesmith@hotmail.com; wally.kairuz@gmail.com Subject: sjc? Celebrating five years on the JMDL! Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:07:31 +0000 Hi Loves! Exactly five years ago today I typed the same thing, but it was my very first post, shakin' into Joni Town. To celebrate this great date in my personal herstory, I want to thank you all for taking me as I am, and to say: "I love you!" (Right out loud!) I had been "lurking" for a long time, getting to know you all from afar. I needed "a safe place for kids to play." (Even though those lyrics were not out yet, LOL!) I was seeing a family therapist at the time (trying to keep my family together, dealing w/ a great deal of bad, horrible stuff). She kept urging me to post something, but "I get so damn timid, not at all the spirit that's inside of me." She contined to gently encourage me, and finally one day she asked what was really holding me back. I said: "I want to, but I don't where to begin. I have too much to say!" She counseled, wisely: "Well, you don't have to say it all at once!" Ha! So here I am five years later, still babbling sans cesse about Joni (and you know there may be more), and much richer in the love and friendship department. Not to mention musical -- and other -- knowledge (because you know life is for learning). "Tested and blessed, darlins. I'm going to give you my very best. You are my happiness. You open my heart up, you do." I remember the first replies. I was so thrilled! Jerry was first, then Muller ("We will GLADLY take you as you are."), and Maggie, and then along comes Mary -- Catherine. Cherished Catherine. I have chosen her reply to share, because...well..... Because the world is round it turns me on Because the world is round....ahhhhhhhhhhh Because the wind is high It blows my mind Because the wind is high...ahhhhhhhh Love is old Love is new Love is all Love is you Because the sky is BLUE!, it makes me cry Because the sky is BLUE!....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Well, you will see. (There is method to the Madwoman of Mansfield's madness.) And Catherine, I am holding your hand and giving you a big hug as you read the end of it. (I hope it doesn't come out all shooby dooby format...that happens lately when I cut and paste from the digest.) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:23:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! now njc I guess --- Patricia Parlette wrote: > Dear All You Wonderful JMDLers: > > Hi loves! My name is Patti and I've been reading > along here for far too > many months, waiting to jump in and say hello. (I > don't like the expression > "lurking" -- I prefer "thoughtfully observing and > reflecting"!) As she has > for many of you, Joni has provided the soundtrack > for my life, starting with > STAS in 1969 when I was in 9th grade. .... Welcome, Patti. I agree with you on the term "lurking". It sounds kind of perverted, doesn't it? ;-) > So, dear Joni-lovers, this Valentine's Day I offer > you all my Joni-love and > memories and moments-yet-to-come. Will you take me > as I am? Will you? Definitely. I like the fact that you called us all loves. That suggests to me that you, too, are a loveable person. Awww, so are we all, gosh darn it! I fell in love with Joni around the same time you did - I guess it's true what they say about first loves. > > Patti, who just turned 50 on Monday and is giving > herself a magnificent > present by diving heart-first into the JMDL waters > Happy birthday then, from one who got there a few months (or maybe more like ten months?) ahead of you, but not quite so far ahead of you as Bob Murphy who is about five minutes younger than me and who likes to rub my nose in it constantly. (That's for you, Smurph, because I know you're out there, lurking, or something.) ===== Catherine Toronto - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction Yes. As Mags wrote yesterday, he is still *here*, isn't he? Yes.Love & Peace,Patti P. "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. 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