From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #51 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 13 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 051 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Jazz singer Blossom Dearie dies at 82 in NYC ["Randy Remote" ] Paradise in a Parking Lot [Joseph Vallee ] Re: Grammy Memorials [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes [Bob.Mull] McGarrigles njc [Azeem Ali Khan ] Re: McGarrigles njc [Gerald Notaro ] Re: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes [Catherin] Re: McGarrigles njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes [Patti Pa] Fleet Foxes - NJC [Gerald Notaro ] Neil Young Added to Jazz Fest Line Up (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC [Garret ] smurph's case of underbite NJC [Mags ] Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC [Gerald Notaro ] NJC, new book on Bob Dylan [Patti Parlette ] Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC [Catherine McKay ] More Slogan Than Substance [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Grammy Memorials [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes [Sherelle] TV Alert: Graham Nash tonight [Patti Parlette ] Re: TV Alert: Graham Nash tonight [T Peckham ] Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC [Lucy Hone ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:53:56 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC Jazz singer Blossom Dearie dies at 82 in NYC Saw her at Bread & Roses-the same one in which Joni played with BB King and Herbie-she did a dynamite set with pianist/singer Bob Dorough. I particularly remember "Baby It's Cold Outside". Love her recording of "I'm Shadowing You", too. Such a fitting name to go with her petunia-like voice. RR, snowing hard in Cali ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:49:08 +0000 From: Azeem Ali Khan Subject: NJC test please ignore unless you're in London If any of the London posse get this, I'd be grateful if you'd email me back; not sure if this delurk will work, after previous difficulties. Cheers, Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:59:59 -0500 From: stdoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #43 I haven't had that experience of people not being open.? As a matter of fact quite the contrary.? I HAVE heard people rate new music -and well, sometimes?a new artist just doesn't?make the cut.? - -----Original Message----- From: onlyJMDL Digest To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 3:00 am Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #43 onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 12 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 043 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Grammy Memorials [Vince ] Urge for Bandwidth ["Les Irvin" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:35 -0500 From: Vince Subject: Re: Grammy Memorials On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Cassy wrote: > > > Overall, the parts of the awards show I saw were good. I also loved the > mixing it up of new and old artists, music builds bridges. > > Warmly, > Cassy > > Thanks Cassy, yes it does - or at least, if people are open to new possibilities, music can build bridges. Before I went online today I was thinking that I should have included you and Jerry Notaro in my little list of people I know who are open to new music, music from this decade, music from this century, music from this millennium. And I was also thinking of taking a break from the JMDL because I get fed up with closed mindedness to anything new. Especially here where music is supposed to be our shared interest and music lives, it is not the mummified remains of our childhoods that we cling to *because nothing good has been done since our puberty. * Other than the Beyonce article I just linked to in a prior post, I so much enjoy the New Yorker because it remains new and open to the world in which we live. A few issues back there was a review of the new movie Notorious about the life of the Notorious B.I.G. It concluded by saying that to really capture the life force that was Biggie Smalls, one would need an extended tv mini-series- or listening to his music again. I did not feel free to share that here. To be ignored or open a new discussion ripping rap as "not music" - I mean, to be very blunt and this unfair but not so much so - that as the JMDL has aged, it has become too much a home for aging geriatrics who can 't wait to attack the music of the next generation bubbling up. I love folks here but it is tough to see whole genres dismissed (for racial or for aging reasons? ironic considering Joni's transcendent genre-breaking journeys - we too easily betray the spirit of her career)... I was very sad that Rihanna did not appear at the grammys because of the Chris Brown thing and I was sorry to miss him as well - Rihanna is such an explosive talent, I love her work so much... but who here knows who she is? or would do other than put her down because she is not Aretha Franklin?* I am sick unto death of Justin Timberlake being dissed by old people who are clueless as to his music, and I am tired of rap being dismissed, and I am tired of all new artists being dismissed unless they are reflections (or children) of aging hippies, the past is just a goodbye, so sha la la la la let's live for today. Take care Cassie and please, you and Joseph and Bob and Jerry can email me off list with new music to be turned on to... please... Vince *this is not a dis at Aretha - I am maybe the only (ex) JMDLer who has done Aretha covers for her sister Erma while on a dorm bed at WMU in Kalamazoo - but as Rihanna sings, "come on, take a bow, it's over now" - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:35:10 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Urge for Bandwidth Joniphiles - I'm looking for bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth. Are there any computer geeks out there who have web hosting space with lots of bandwidth to spare for a good cause? The new JoniMitchell.com is in need. You can host MP3 files for the new site and make all the world's Joni fans happy! Anyone who may be able to help please email me off list. Thanks, Les - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #43 ******************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:12:41 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Dang brang, njc Katherang wrote: Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC In the case of the Yin Yang twins, "brang" is probably just a southern pronunciation of "bring." Like "thang" for "thing." Yo, Ain't brang slang, an' another way to twang, for brought? Fer instant: "Say whudya bring to the picnic Purnell? I dun brang them hot dog buns. Oh, I brung th' mustard." http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/brang Luv, Lintang (for you River) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Vallee Subject: Paradise in a Parking Lot For us Joni fans, Paradise in a Parking Lot is an exciting display based loosely on Joni's Big Yellow Taxi. It is a garden exhibit in the Chicago Flower and Garden Show, March 7-15, that depicts the regrowth of a garden from a world of modern abuses and deterioration. I think she'd appreciate the twist of nature reclaiming it's realm in a world that seemed destined to destroy itself. The exhibit incorporates living walls, concepts of water conservation, recycling, alternative energy sources, the need to educate children to care for the world in better ways than we have, and the development of urban gardens as way to save us from ourselves. For more information and details on the concept and design of the exhibit, go to wpgarden.org. Enjoy! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:10:35 -0500 From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Grammy Memorials I feel compelled to say that I think of the JMDL as exactly the opposite. The way I see it, JMDLers are music lovers first and foremost. If ya don't mind me making a huge generalization to answer a generalization - we are thrilled to discover new music that inspires and excites us and *live *for those rare moments when we hear something transcendent. It's only on the JMDL that I know I can discuss the latest music I love and people actually * know* who I'm talking about. And perhaps I wasn't following the thread closely enough, but I think I read one note that disparaged rap and the joining of generations on the Grammys. Were there more? I feel like I read mostly positive responses. Am I imagining things or putting a positive spin on the situation? That would be very unlike me, especially in February. :P Jenny (Who misses Smurph) On 2/11/09, Vince wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Cassy wrote: > And I was also thinking of taking a break from the JMDL because I get fed > up > with closed mindedness to anything new. Especially here where music is > supposed to be our shared interest and music lives, it is not the mummified > remains of our childhoods that we cling to *because nothing good has been > done since our puberty. > * > Other than the Beyonce article I just linked to in a prior post, I so much > enjoy the New Yorker because it remains new and open to the world in which > we live. A few issues back there was a review of the new movie Notorious > about the life of the Notorious B.I.G. It concluded by saying that to > really capture the life force that was Biggie Smalls, one would need an > extended tv mini-series- or listening to his music again. I did not feel > free to share that here. To be ignored or open a new discussion ripping > rap as "not music" - I mean, to be very blunt and this unfair but not so > much so - that as the JMDL has aged, it has become too much a home for > aging > geriatrics who can't wait to attack the music of the next generation > bubbling up. I love folks here but it is tough to see whole genres > dismissed (for racial or for aging reasons? ironic considering Joni's > transcendent genre-breaking journeys - we too easily betray the spirit of > her career)... > > I was very sad that Rihanna did not appear at the grammys because of the > Chris Brown thing and I was sorry to miss him as well - Rihanna is such an > explosive talent, I love her work so much... > > but who here knows who she is? or would do other than put her down because > she is not Aretha Franklin?* I am sick unto death of Justin Timberlake > being dissed by old people who are clueless as to his music, and I am tired > of rap being dismissed, and I am tired of all new artists being dismissed > unless they are reflections (or children) of aging hippies, the past is > just > a goodbye, so sha la la la la let's live for today. > > Take care Cassie and please, you and Joseph and Bob and Jerry can email me > off list with new music to be turned on to... please... > > Vince > > *this is not a dis at Aretha - I am maybe the only (ex) JMDLer who has done > Aretha covers for her sister Erma while on a dorm bed at WMU in Kalamazoo - > but as Rihanna sings, "come on, take a bow, it's over now" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:09:39 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes Like all of us that knew him, I have been thinking about Bob all week. Among all the things that has been said about him, I haven't heard anyone mentioned his photography. He loved taking pictures and loading them onto his ipod, and sometimes he would take a series of photos and then using the scan feature on the ipod make a little movie with them. It was a very original and fascinating art form that I had not seen before or since. I recall specifically a series he took of his Mom, smoking a cigarette...he could spin his thumb on the ipod's dial and it would look like she was taking a puff, putting it down, etc. Just like his sense of humor, he had an original artistic way of looking at and expressing the world around him that was unique and new. Regarding his trademark humor - I remember some of his Full Moon Jonifest antics specifically: Remember the Full Moon dog with the REALLY BAD underbite? Every time we were out on the porch and that dog would stroll by, Bob would look over at me and make an underbite face, without saying a word. It was hilarious. Ashara had scheduled a yoga class out in the barn and was talking to the group about it so that those interested could attend. Bob raised his hand and asked "can we smoke?". His sense of timing and delivery was of course as spot-on as it always was. And then the funniest, funniest thing ever...I still laugh about it to this day and I'm sure that it'll lose its humor in the telling, but those of you who knew him can play the scenario in your minds...the aforementioned dog had done a little 'business' beside the big tree in front of the main building by the walkway. I was coming back from my car in the parking lot and Bob was by the tree, smoking (that was obviously before he had quit) and as I walked by him I noticed the dogpile, then looked up at Bob, who calmly took a drag from his cigarette and dead-panned "I did that". Well, I fell out, laughed about it the rest of the day, still laugh about it to this day. It became sort of a catch-phrase between us. "I did that". Yes you did, Bob - you did it all and we are all the richer for it. I will forever miss him and consider it a privilege to have been his friend. He used to tease me about my covers project all the time - we'll have to have a game of "Covers Frisbee" this year in SoCal in his memory. Bob NP: The Eagles, "What I Do With My Heart" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:26:56 +0000 From: Azeem Ali Khan Subject: McGarrigles njc I'd like to put in a vote for Heartbeats Accelerating. It's not one of their most namechecked albums, but I really love it (possibly as its release coincided with the first time I saw them in concert). There are three standouts: the title song, which was later massacred by Linda Ronstadt, but that needn't put you off; a lovely version of the trad song St James Hospital; and best of all, I Eat Dinner, one of the most poignant, honest and clear-eyed portraits of middle age I've ever heard, both lyrically and musically. The debut is wonderful, of course; the McGarrigle Hour is great too, including as it does pretty much the whole McGarrigle/Wainwright clan, including what I think is Martha's first recorded song, Year Of The Dragon. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:50:44 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: McGarrigles njc On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Azeem Ali Khan wrote: > the McGarrigle Hour is great too, IOne of my all time favorite cd's. Thanks to someone in this group I have the NPR one hour interview and performance they did when promoting it which is almost as good as the cd itself. - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:34:55 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes LOL! Thanks, Bob. I saw the I-pod movie of his mother as well. So funny! And he'd get that look on his face, watching you, to see how you reacted. He also told me he was going to put MY time-zone on his I-pod so he'd always know what time it was for me - and of course, we're in the same time-zone, which both of us knew perfectly well. I only wish I were one-tenth as QUICK as he was. Lots of laughs. Lots of laughs. - --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes To: "Catherine McKay" Cc: joni@smoe.org, "Patti Parlette" , sherellesmith@hotmail.com, treegreen1@hotmail.com, "wally" Received: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 10:09 AM Like all of us that knew him, I have been thinking about Bob all week. Among all the things that has been said about him, I haven't heard anyone mentioned his photography. He loved taking pictures and loading them onto his ipod, and sometimes he would take a series of photos and then using the scan feature on the ipod make a little movie with them. It was a very original and fascinating art form that I had not seen before or since. I recall specifically a series he took of his Mom, smoking a cigarette...he could spin his thumb on the ipod's dial and it would look like she was taking a puff, putting it down, etc. Just like his sense of humor, he had an original artistic way of looking at and expressing the world around him that was unique and new. Regarding his trademark humor - I remember some of his Full Moon Jonifest antics specifically: Remember the Full Moon dog with the REALLY BAD underbite? Every time we were out on the porch and that dog would stroll by, Bob would look over at me and make an underbite face, without saying a word. It was hilarious. Ashara had scheduled a yoga class out in the barn and was talking to the group about it so that those interested could attend. Bob raised his hand and asked "can we smoke?". His sense of timing and delivery was of course as spot-on as it always was. And then the funniest, funniest thing ever...I still laugh about it to this day and I'm sure that it'll lose its humor in the telling, but those of you who knew him can play the scenario in your minds...the aforementioned dog had done a little 'business' beside the big tree in front of the main building by the walkway. I was coming back from my car in the parking lot and Bob was by the tree, smoking (that was obviously before he had quit) and as I walked by him I noticed the dogpile, then looked up at Bob, who calmly took a drag from his cigarette and dead-panned "I did that". Well, I fell out, laughed about it the rest of the day, still laugh about it to this day. It became sort of a catch-phrase between us. "I did that". Yes you did, Bob - you did it all and we are all the richer for it. I will forever miss him and consider it a privilege to have been his friend. He used to tease me about my covers project all the time - we'll have to have a game of "Covers Frisbee" this year in SoCal in his memory. Bob NP: The Eagles, "What I Do With My Heart"------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: McGarrigles njc YES! Thanks for mentioning "I eat dinner." Truer words were never spoken, or sung. - --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Azeem Ali Khan wrote: I'd like to put in a vote for Heartbeats Accelerating. It's not one of their most namechecked albums, but I really love it (possibly as its release coincided with the first time I saw them in concert). There are three standouts: the title song, which was later massacred by Linda Ronstadt, but that needn't put you off; a lovely version of the trad song St James Hospital; and best of all, I Eat Dinner, one of the most poignant, honest and clear-eyed portraits of middle age I've ever heard, both lyrically and musically. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:50:54 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes Muller wrote (and the jokes haven't lost their grandeur coming through!): And then the funniest, funniest thing ever...I still laugh about it to this day and I'm sure that it'll lose its humor in the telling, but those of you who knew him can play the scenario in your minds...the aforementioned dog had done a little 'business' beside the big tree in front of the main building by the walkway. I was coming back from my car in the parking lot and Bob was by the tree, smoking (that was obviously before he had quit) and as I walked by him I noticed the dogpile, then looked up at Bob, who calmly took a drag from his cigarette and dead-panned "I did that". Well, I fell out, laughed about it the rest of the day, still laugh about it to this day. It became sort of a catch-phrase between us. **** Bwaaaa haaaa haaaaa! HOLY CRAP! Jesus and Mary and Joseph and all out of the fire like Catholic saints comes Parlette and her deep complaint: I busted up laughing and spit my water all over my computer screen! Thanks a lot, Muller! And everyone in the outer office came in to see what was so funny and....I can't tell them! OMG......lots of laughs, lots of laughs...BLUE! I love you.... I see something of Smurf's self in *everything* just at this moment of the world....the stars, the full moon, every song I hear....he sticks to all my senses....and now, thanks to you, I will think of him in every pile of DOG MERDE? Isn't it rich? Isn't it queer? And where are the clowns? Send in the clowns. Don't bother, they're here. Thanks for interrupting the sorrow, BM. Smurf. Oh, Shirley, only yu. Darling yu send me I know yu send me Darling yu send me Honest, yu do, honest, you do Honest yu do. Now yu do even in dog doo ?! Deep breath. Pardonnez-moi. I'd better get back up to the sterilized room. Laughing and crying, you know? xosmurf&allxoxo, PP NPIMH: There is always someonefor each of us, they say.And you'll be my someone forever and a day.I could search the whole world overuntil my life is throughbut I know I'll never find another you.It's a long, long journey so stay by my side.When I walk through the storm you'll be my guide, be my guide.If they gave me a fortunemy virtue would be small.I could lose it all tomorrowand never mind at all.But if I should lose your love, dear,I don't know what I'd dofor I know I'll never find another yu. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:27:10 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Fleet Foxes - NJC Haven't seen a post about them here. They are in England right now on a big tour, but all their shows are sold out. I absolutely love them. Find them out there and give them a listen. Lourent, they will be in Paris next week for two shows. - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:40:15 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Neil Young Added to Jazz Fest Line Up (NJC) This just in. Neil young added to the line up for Sunday second weekend of Jazz Fest for you folks of stimulating me and the economy by coming to New Orleans for Jazz Fest. Also check out this video of Neil's on the tube. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC we did chat about them briefly in reference to Bob's albums of the year thread. I bought the album based on that, and I adore it. But I feel guilty, as it was so easy to love. Just tasted good, right out of the box! :) Em - --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Gerald Notaro wrote: From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Fleet Foxes - NJC To: "Joni List" Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 12:27 PM Haven't seen a post about them here. They are in England right now on a big tour, but all their shows are sold out. I absolutely love them. Find them out there and give them a listen. Lourent, they will be in Paris next week for two shows. - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:05:42 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Em wrote: > we did chat about them briefly in reference to Bob's albums of the year > thread. I should have known :) Anyway, do give them a listen, folks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:08:14 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC Jerry, their album was one of the best of the last year, i'd say. Definitely makes my list. I think we did mention them on list a time ago. I'm pretty certain Mr. Muller likes them too. I did not get to see them live when they played though, i'd say they're great. GARRET On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Gerald Notaro wrote: > Haven't seen a post about them here. They are in England right now on a big > tour, but all their shows are sold out. I absolutely love them. Find them > out there and give them a listen. Lourent, they will be in Paris next week > for two shows. > > -- > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:13:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: smurph's case of underbite NJC I had to laugh all over again, Bob, when you wrote about Smurph's case of underbite. That little doggle was so cute, but you couldnt help but laugh at its shiny white teeth sitting there for all the world to see. And of course, the little doggle was fodder for Smurph, the entire weekend. That Smurph, he could find humour in anything. And it was the stuff of hysteria...things that you might have thought, but were either ten steps behind him, or else you wouldnt dare say it out loud. But for Smurph, nothing much got in the way of his expressing how he saw the world, that in the midst of all of it, there remains, laughter. Im grateful for that. I still cant get my head around the "fact" that he is gone. Death is like that, I think it's pretty much impossible to do so. Im glad to read all the stories, all the ways that Smurph affected us individually as well. He's still "here" , right? Mags npimh: Hejira __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:47:30 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC So sad that you've been deleting my posts, Jerry... ;o) As has been stated, FF was hands down my winner of album of the year, and I recommended it to the JMDL based on its CSN/Beach Boys/acoustic sensibilities without sounding derivative. It's actually been re-released already (maybe that's the one you bought) and they added their EP "Sun Giant" to it, as well an a previously unreleased track. Bob NP: Karrin Allyson, "Mind On My Man" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:18:36 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM, wrote: > > It's actually been re-released already (maybe that's the one you bought) > and they added their EP "Sun Giant" to it, as well an a previously > unreleased track. > That is the one I have. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:47:13 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC, new book on Bob Dylan The University of Minnesota Press Spring 2009 catalog just crossed my desk and I noticed a book that may interest some of you: Highway 61 Revisited: Bob Dylan's Road from Minnesota to the World http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/S/sheehy_highway.html It is on page 14 in the catalog. The next page features another book: "Subterranean Twin Cities", so of course I started singing Boho Dance. I mean, wouldn't you? xo, pp"If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:54:51 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fleet Foxes - NJC Me too. Yeah, I know we're not supposed to me too, but me too. - --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Em wrote: we did chat about them briefly in reference to Bob's albums of the year thread. I bought the album based on that, and I adore it. But I feel guilty, as it was so easy to love. Just tasted good, right out of the box! :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:32:58 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: More Slogan Than Substance More slogans than substance By Bronwyn Eyre, The StarPhoenixFebruary 11, 2009 During a heated political discussion, a friend once declared there is "a right and wrong side" to every issue. So much for debate, I thought. Similarly, singer Joni Mitchell -- whose photographic exhibition, Green Flag Song, is currently showing at the Mendel Art Gallery -- is clearly one who believes she's on the "right" side. According to the gallery notes, as Mitchell "watched the daily menu of distress and fear on her deteriorating television set, the colour distortions seemed to accentuate the bias of mass media." So she photographed televised scenes of "militancy" that depict her "personal response to the consequences of war and humanity's struggle with itself." These scenes eventually served as stage visuals to Jean Grand-Maitre's ballet, The Fiddle and the Drum -- a tribute to Mitchell which the Alberta Ballet recently performed here. They include images of Hitler and Stalin, along with a parade of current social and political bugbears, including George W. Bush, the state of the environment, conflicts in Africa and consumerism. "With the situation for all earthlings" (earthlings?) "so dire," Mitchell writes, "it was frivolous to present a lighter fare, like 'fiddling while Rome burned'." Of course, no "anti-war, pro-environment" manifesto would be complete without a wistful (if not very original) tribute to Woodstock. Mitchell sings: "We are stardust / We are golden / And we've got to get ourselves / Back to the garden." The reality, of course, is by the end of that famous weekend, revellers were practically drowning in their own, er, refuse. And in an ironic twist, the U.S. army and National Guard flew in food and medical supplies. In The Real Thing, playwright Tom Stoppard writes: "Is that what it's all come down to? No philosophy that can't be printed on a T-shirt?" The great thing about The Fiddle and the Drum ballet is that the beauty of the dancing transcends Mitchell's lyrics -- many of which are sophomoric slogans. Take Shine: "Let your little light . . . / Shine on rising oceans and evaporating seas / Shine on our Frankenstein technologies" -- at which point, an image flashes above the dancers: "We need experts, not bigots." So no "Frankenstein technologies" -- but I'd venture to guess Mitchell favours stem cell research ("experts") over the position on stem cell research held by George Bush and many Christians ("bigots"). As she sings herself: "Shine on the Catholic Church / And the prisons that it owns." For the ballet, Mitchell wrote a new song, If, based on Rudyard Kipling's poem about -- as she puts it -- "stoicism and war." Problem is, it's not about war. It extols manly, if not aristocratic, character. And I doubt Kipling would be on what Mitchell considers the "right side." In The White Man's Burden, for example, he describes the colonizing white man's "new-caught, sullen peoples" as "half-devil and half-child." Oops. In the ballet program, Mitchell describes how she adapted another song, Slouching Toward Bethlehem, from "Yates' [sic] poem, The Second Coming." That would be W.B. Yeats -- another controversial choice. Scornful of democracy and admiring of Mussolini's dictatorship, Yeats once wrote marching songs for the Irish Blueshirts, who adopted the Nazi straight-arm salute. Oops again. 'Dang it, why must this right and wrong business be so complex? Sure, sure, we all know Bush was evil. But how do we, for example, intervene in African regions such as Darfur when no one except the bad guys has an army? As for Mitchell's snide projections of the White House and the Statue of Liberty, what do we make of the awful irony that in the last 20 years, two Balkan interventions, as well as the failed 1992-93 Somali intervention to feed starving African Muslims, were humanitarian exercises by the U.S.? In 2002, Barbra Streisand -- like Mitchell, a proponent of fashionable causes -- quoted what she thought was Shakespeare: "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervour." The lines were actually penned by an Internet prankster. Both Streisand, who later insisted the words "are still powerful and true and beautifully written," and Mitchell, with her shaky reading of literary greats, would do well to heed Alexander Pope's famous caution: "A little learning is a dangerous thing." Polemics, unfortunately, don't make for high art. (c) Copyright (c) The StarPhoenix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:11:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Grammy Memorials Not marking this as NJC because there is some Joni content. Vince, I think thee doth protesteth too much :-). This is the JMDL, not the Biggie Smalls list, after all...LOL As for me, I do like some hip-hop, but am not as fond of rap. I'm just too much a melody person. Rythmn has always been my weak point. I love Rihanna's music, "Disturbia" stil being a favorite. And Chris Brown is a very talented writer - too bad he seems to be an abusive jerk. As for the Joni Content: I think that Joni's strength has always been more melodically based than rythmically based. (Putting on kevlar suit here.) So, I think that it stands to reason that many members of this list would be drawn to music that is more melodic than rythmic. OTOH, rappers could certainly draw upon and learn from her skill as a lyricist. Her rhymes, in particular, are gems. One other thing that I suspect many of us on the list are wary of (as would be Joni, I believe) is the whole star maker machinery. Even if someone is genuinely talented, there's a manufactured quality to much commercial music these days. The look. The production. The publicity. It's not that I want music to be stripped down to be devoid of its entertainment value. I'm just sad that everyone has to be the whole package. If someone had the voice of an angel, but the face of , well whatever, they probably wouldn't make it. Someone asked Simon Cowell if he thought Aretha would be chosen on Americal Idol and he said no. That says a lot to me. Individuality is eschewed in favor of forumlas that sell. And that's unfortunate. It's great to hear opinions on all kinds of music here. But, can we please share without slamming others for their opinions. (Oldies stations actually make me nauseous, but that not true of everyone...) lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:31:14 +0000 From: Sherelle Smith Subject: RE: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes Bob, thank you so much for sharing this story. I deeply appreciate it. I get the joke and would have fell on the floor laughing too! The timing based on how you described it-was perfect!!! Thank you again... Love Sherelle To: anima_rising@yahoo.caCC: joni@smoe.org; loveuconn@hotmail.com; sherellesmith@hotmail.com; treegreen1@hotmail.com; wally.kairuz@gmail.comSubject: Re: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimesFrom: Bob.Muller@Fluor.comDate: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:09:39 - -0500Like all of us that knew him, I have been thinking about Bob all week. Among all the things that has been said about him, I haven't heard anyone mentioned his photography. He loved taking pictures and loading them onto his ipod, and sometimes he would take a series of photos and then using the scan feature on the ipod make a little movie with them. It was a very original and fascinating art form that I had not seen before or since. I recall specifically a series he took of his Mom, smoking a cigarette...he could spin his thumb on the ipod's dial and it would look like she was taking a puff, putting it down, etc. Just like his sense of humor, he had an original artistic way of looking at and expressing the world around him that was unique and new. Regarding his trademark humor - I remember some of his Full Moon Jonifest antics specifically: Remember the Full Moon dog with the REALLY BAD underbite? Every time we were out on the porch and that dog would stroll by, Bob would look over at me and make an underbite face, without saying a word. It was hilarious. Ashara had scheduled a yoga class out in the barn and was talking to the group about it so that those interested could attend. Bob raised his hand and asked "can we smoke?". His sense of timing and delivery was of course as spot-on as it always was. And then the funniest, funniest thing ever...I still laugh about it to this day and I'm sure that it'll lose its humor in the telling, but those of you who knew him can play the scenario in your minds...the aforementioned dog had done a little 'business' beside the big tree in front of the main building by the walkway. I was coming back from my car in the parking lot and Bob was by the tree, smoking (that was obviously before he had quit) and as I walked by him I noticed the dogpile, then looked up at Bob, who calmly took a drag from his cigarette and dead-panned "I did that". Well, I fell out, laughed about it the rest of the day, still laugh about it to this day. It became sort of a catch-phrase between us. "I did that". Yes you did, Bob - you did it all and we are all the richer for it. I will forever miss him and consider it a privilege to have been his friend. He used to tease me about my covers project all the time - we'll have to have a game of "Covers Frisbee" this year in SoCal in his memory. Bob NP: The Eagles, "What I Do With My Heart"------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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"If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 9 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:02:52 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: TV Alert: Graham Nash tonight Thanks for the heads-up! Sometimes I forget to check Tavis---and I agree, he "got" Joni better than most lazy, dimbulb TV interviewers---I'm still mad about Charlie Rose!---and he usually actually listens, as you say, without interrupting a lot. Unfortunately, I can't think of a single person who currently has a TV talk show (of any sort) who has the smarts and sophistication to keep up with her in a conversation. Except maybe Elvis Costello or---call me crazy---Bill Maher. But I have to say I've been somewhat disappointed with "Spectacle" overall. Maybe we should start a poll: Who would you most like to see having a wide-ranging conversation with Joni? Not having spent much time thinking about this, I'll just say *Dick Cavett*off the top of my head. Anyone? T On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Patti Parlette wrote: > Willy is scheduled to appear on Tavis Smiley's show tonight: > > http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200902/20090212.html > > My heart be still! > > > > Maybe there will be a Joni mention? (Hence no NJC tag here.) > > > > I think Tavis's conversation w/ Joni was the best of all the interviews > conducted during the SHINE debut period. He's a good listener who has > heart > and humor and humility. He really tries to connect with his guests. > > Shine on Willy, Tavis! > > xo, > > pp, > > NPOMC: Riding around on a carousel... > > > "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd > be > peace." > -- John Lennon > > http://www.imaginepeace.com/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live : Keep your life in sync. > > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 > 9 > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:41:22 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC Hi from a very cold dark England where I sit with my coffee and try and stir my aged stumps!!! Responding to the part of Vince's post edited below. I did not see the grammy's, not because I do not like my music but because I am not sure they were shown here - yet! maybe they were but I was probably too busy making milk pudding and boiled fish whilst listening to the hottest thing in town - Manotvani - Oh wow, where did that guy come from - what exciting stuff he must have been through to come up with things that are so relevant to his culture and yet so accessible... HE HE HE HE HE - I am joking - I am actually listening to Fela Kuti and Africa 70- "zombie" sent to me on an mp3 by a friend. a track I thought I would never hear again! its odd because its on my daughters i tunes on this computer so when it ends I am likely to get Pantera, the Drop Kick Murphys, The Clash, Led Zeppelin,Leonard Cohen, Alta Bridge, Queens of the Stone Age, and so many other artists that I am proud of her wide musical tastes... My son the same... I have learned, and its a lesson that I know is repeated across the world, that it is OK to like the stuff the kids listen to but do NOT try and assume that because you CAN "dig it" that you are "like" them... However "young and in touch" we are with our musical taste - and Vince, Rhianna is good I agree - do not for one moment that the kids we think we are "down home" with - to use the American term - are totally convinced that our "digging their music" is nothing less than a cynical ploy on our behalf to know what "their S**t is"... I have to say one of the things I love about this list is that most of us - cannot speak for the JOni ONly's - have broad and eclectic tastes. The countless "top 10 tracks" "music to take to a desert island" "25 tracks about me on Face Book" etc., show the enormous spread of listening that goes on....but very few of us have lived the lives of the artists, share no racial affiliation and yet still are pretty OK and comfortable with this eclecticism... not everyone has music in their veins but its pretty much a soundtrack to their lives...playing along over the ups and downs of the day. I have to say that when it comes to the rap music that gets circulated here I do not get it. And neither do many young people who are outside of the drug, gun, treat my woman like a piece of meat modus vivendi. There are some wonderful rap songs and the Black eyed Peas - where is the love - is a song that makes me cry to my boots as it is about what is out there. One of the first rap records I ever heard - and I believe it was the first rap record ever released in the UK was the Sugarhill Gang in 1978/9 and I still can remember where I was when I first heard it - I still get a great big bump in the heart when I hear it... BUT.... because I do not get the modern stuff it does not mean I am unaware of what drives it, what lives the groups who record it live or have lived through, nor that they are using their music to make money to rise above it...and in there lies no criticism... What I find rather alarming is that having risen above it, many of them do not use it to be aspirational for others, but the dross goes with them - I think it is fair to say that more rap stars have been shot, knifed, involved in terrible violence in and around drugs than other musicians. There are plenty of musicians who have died through drugs and some have been assasinated by loopy fans but for many people of all cultures, the rap music of most of their natioanl youth culture is something deeply disturbing in each of their societies. What I have always beleived is that music is a personal thing.One's personal love of something does not give us the right to berate others for not getting it. Our credibilty is something personal and authentic to us. The generational gap is there whether we get someone younger than us's taste in music or not. You will not have lived their lives, gone through their particular growing pains with the particular set of social circumstances that are in place at that era. I grew up in post-war Britain and saw bomb craters from the bombs that fell only 12 years before I was born - but my parents grew up with the bombs falling, and my father was clearing mines in the Meditteranean and escorting the Jewish nation to Palestine as it was then... What happened to their generation, their music? it was all about being in love or from the films that smoothed over their torn apart world... The stuff that came blasting in with Rock and Roll and all that followed it was for people of a different era.. My parents felt it passed them by because they were already married by 1950 and were not classed as young enough to enjoy it!!! They remained authentic in their musical tastes but my mother got to love Pink Floyd and Leondard Cohen whlst still enjoying Frank Sinatra, Pat Boone and Doris Day... So I would end this ramble with the ask that we do not judge people on this list as judgemental on the younger generation because they do not "get the new music". There is something out there for everyone. . . but my experience is that the young people of today - no matter how much you show them you "get what they listen to" would probably rather you didn't and went off and did your thing and let them get on with their stuff... i tunes is now playing Prodigy "smack my bitch up" which whilst musically brilliant makes me wonder what the hell happened to kindness, love and understanding?. . . . . its not a generational thing its about hoping they hang it all together for the future! Lucy, going off puzzled to work! Love and peace to you all - do you dig it? >why not embrace the old as well as the new? Its like we can't like James >Taylor unless we put down Justin Timberlake? That is an old way of >thinking. > >Justin Timberlake is fantastic by the way. No, he is not Al Green. Al >Green is Al Green. I don't expect everyone to copycat the past in pale >imitation. Justin Timberlake is Justin Timberlake and he puts out amazing >music and I am sure Al Green learns from Justin Timberlake and Justin >Timberlake learns from Al Green - as it should be. > >the words "people try and put us down, just because we get around, things >they do look awful cold, hope I die before I get old, talking about my >generation" is a timeless truth always new again in each generation, not the >cement that one entombs oneself in > >It was too damn bad Rihanna was not there - she is one of my new favorites >and I could listen to her sing all day - joy is finding something new, not >living in the past - but for those who are ready to move into the senior >citizen home, I suppose being cranky about all things news is fun, huh? So >cool to high five the other oldsters with new put downs of the kids? > >Maybe I wouldn't be this harsh if I could read these posts and outside of >Joseph and Bob, not be able to see the generational gap as vivid and clearly >as it is in other posts. The chasm is clearly age - and what some people >will not listen to, do not listen to, or listen with all the objectivity of >my father who could not wait to put something down because nothing was music >but what was done back in his day. > >Vince who has never grown up and likes it that way ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2009 #51 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------