From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2009 #49 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 11 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 049 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Mention on Jonatha Brooke Site NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Arena, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] NJC McGarriggles [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: NJC McGarriggles [Catherine McKay ] Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC ["Randy Remote" ] NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes [Patti Parlet] Re: NJC McGarriggles [Mags ] Re: Etta James -vs- Beyonce over "At Last" njc [Vince ] Re: NJC McGarriggles [Mags ] Re: NJC McGarriggles [Garret ] Re: Etta James -vs- Beyonce over "At Last" njc [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Grammy Memorials njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC McGarriggles [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:58:48 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Mention on Jonatha Brooke Site NJC Hey, I resemble that remark...the Grey Eagle is a cool venue, I'm anxious to see J-Bro AND you again, Phyliss. 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Hi Bob (aka Mr Memory) Yeah i was expecting some interesting harmonies/wizzardry and I wasn't in the mood for hard metal. Sure the bass player was very cute but that didn't make up for the fact that the 3 guitars together made less music IMO than 1 guitar virtuoso (Richard Thompson comes to mind). I don't often walk out but it was so painful that i left midway after "I saw the Light". Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:16:23 +0100 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: NJC McGarriggles I love Kate and AnnaMcGarriggle I think I can say I've had a grove to love realtionship with them Because it didn't happen at once... The first I heard of them was on a great album called "Cool Christmas" in fact this was an introduction for me to great artists like Tom Waits, Stina Nordenstam, McGarriggles, Tori Amos, Emmylou Harris and I you know there may be more. Their song "Blanche comme la neige" was my first listen. Which I would not characterize as easy listening. But still a beautiful melody, sung in French with this special "r" Than the next song that come into my life as I guess with most of theie one hit wonder "Complainte pour 'ste Catherine" also known as "Ingen kommer undan politiken" in swedish. This is a song I've heard since I was a kid, but I was happy to know it was their song. This is from their debut album , which also is beautiful and fun. Titled Anna & Kate McGarriggle. Second album "Dance with bruised knees" I think Patti Parlette is the guru on this - but me likes it too. ( - : The next song I discovered, quite coincidental I must admit was from their latest album "La vache qui Pleure" (from 2003) One I day I bought "Petite annonce amoureuse" on itunes, and it has this great beat in it. My brother used it as one of the songs on the soundtrack for his Christmas Magazine Christmas 2007. An it was a hit among many of my friends. Unfortunately I'm so uncultivated to not have learnt french but I understand it has something to do with love. A great upbeat song. And the rest of the album is newly downloaded from Emusic. A great way to get to know music for not very much money: http://www.emusic.com/ Last I checked they had (and I downloaded) La vache qui Pleure, French record and Matapedia. I hope they will get even more in time. As you I've also heard and liked both "The McGarriggle hour" and also "The McGarriggle Christmas hour" with Kate's much more famous children Rufus and Martha. Kate and Anna or only Anna has made quite many hits for other great artists like Emmylou Harris, Linda Ronstadt and Maria Muldaur. As many of you were before me I'm sure, I was greatly struck by Emmylou Harris' "Wrecking Ball" when I first came over it in the beggining of this millenium. "Going back to Harlan" is one song written there by Kate and Anna. And I must say I love their version even more, (found on Matapedia from 1995 or 1996) On Emmylou's latest I think they wrote both "How she could sing the wildwood flower" together with Emmylou, and also "Sailing round the Room" I also appreciate them as choir girls for Emmylou on these tracks and also on the entire Nick Cave CD "No more shall we part" Their harmonies may have become less chrystal clear through the years. But for me they sing with so much soul and love, that it always makes me happy and they just give me so much. So it's not by chance that I've listened so much to them lately. I even got myself a friend in Japan on My Last FM due to my heavy listening to these sisters. Though I haven't left him no shouts yet. I haven't yet heard "Heartbeats accelarating" or "Love over and over" But as with Joni's music I'm sure I will love them too. I think they have that in common, the grow to love aspect. Not all of Joni's music is easy to like and grasp at once, but at several listenings you may find yourself surprised how much you like it. Good luck and please do check out ! And thanks for the question I loved to answer it ! Love from Oddmund NP. Kate and Anna McGarriggle: Swimming song ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC McGarriggles I love the McGarrigles but by no means am an expert on them. Every so often a particular song pops out that has particular meaning. I absolutely love, "love over and over" for its weird bouncy music and harmonies that weave in and out. This would be a very hard song to sing and keep the lyrics intact. As well, they often put in references either to earlier songs they've written ("You ask me how I feel/ I said my heart was like a wheel") or to folk songs ("We are men of constant sorrow...," many of the words in "Going back to Harlan.") And for that matter, they do sing a lot of old songs, folk or otherwise, in English and in French (their mother was French-Canadian and they grew up speaking both languages.) "Dancer with bruised knees" was the first album of theirs that I bought, whenever that came out. They're quirky (I like that) and very talented multi-instrumentalists with a unique singing style. LOVE OVER AND OVER I could say love over and over and over I could say baby baby baby 'til my tongue spirals out of my head When there's no one looking over my shoulder I like to write rock and roll but it doesn't always hang together So what do I know Or anyone know about love You ask me how I feel I said my heart was like a wheel Why don't you listen to it sometime I've walked upon the moors On many misguided tours Where Emily, Anne and Charlotte Poured their hearts out And what did they know What could they know about love Or anyone know about love I could say love over and over and over I could say baby baby baby and make you think I mean it maybe I'm goin' up a hill rollin' a boulder Tryin to write rock and roll But it doesn't keep body and soul together So what do I know Or anyone know about love You ask me how I feel I said my heart was like a wheel Why don't you listen to it sometime I've walked upon the moors On many misguided tours Where Emily, Anne and Charlotte Poured their hearts out And what did they know What could they know about love Or anyone know about love Love over and over and over Baby baby baby 'til my tongue spirals out of my head Over and over and over Baby baby baby and make you think I mean it, maybe Love over and over and over Baby baby baby 'til my tongue spirals out of my head Over and over and over Baby baby baby and make you think I mean it, maybe - --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: I love Kate and AnnaMcGarriggle I think I can say I've had a grove to love realtionship with them Because it didn't happen at once... The first I heard of them was on a great album called "Cool Christmas" in fact this was an introduction for me to great artists like Tom Waits, Stina Nordenstam, McGarriggles, Tori Amos, Emmylou Harris and I you know there may be more. Their song "Blanche comme la neige" was my first listen. Which I would not characterize as easy listening. But still a beautiful melody, sung in French with this special "r" Than the next song that come into my life as I guess with most of theie one hit wonder "Complainte pour 'ste Catherine" also known as "Ingen kommer undan politiken" in swedish. This is a song I've heard since I was a kid, but I was happy to know it was their song. This is from their debut album , which also is beautiful and fun. Titled Anna & Kate McGarriggle. Second album "Dance with bruised knees" I think Patti Parlette is the guru on this - but me likes it too. ( - : The next song I discovered, quite coincidental I must admit was from their latest album "La vache qui Pleure" (from 2003) One I day I bought "Petite annonce amoureuse" on itunes, and it has this great beat in it. My brother used it as one of the songs on the soundtrack for his Christmas Magazine Christmas 2007. An it was a hit among many of my friends. Unfortunately I'm so uncultivated to not have learnt french but I understand it has something to do with love. A great upbeat song. And the rest of the album is newly downloaded from Emusic. A great way to get to know music for not very much money: http://www.emusic.com/ Last I checked they had (and I downloaded) La vache qui Pleure, French record and Matapedia. I hope they will get even more in time. As you I've also heard and liked both "The McGarriggle hour" and also "The McGarriggle Christmas hour" with Kate's much more famous children Rufus and Martha. Kate and Anna or only Anna has made quite many hits for other great artists like Emmylou Harris, Linda Ronstadt and Maria Muldaur. As many of you were before me I'm sure, I was greatly struck by Emmylou Harris' "Wrecking Ball" when I first came over it in the beggining of this millenium. "Going back to Harlan" is one song written there by Kate and Anna. And I must say I love their version even more, (found on Matapedia from 1995 or 1996) On Emmylou's latest I think they wrote both "How she could sing the wildwood flower" together with Emmylou, and also "Sailing round the Room" I also appreciate them as choir girls for Emmylou on these tracks and also on the entire Nick Cave CD "No more shall we part" Their harmonies may have become less chrystal clear through the years. But for me they sing with so much soul and love, that it always makes me happy and they just give me so much. So it's not by chance that I've listened so much to them lately. I even got myself a friend in Japan on My Last FM due to my heavy listening to these sisters. Though I haven't left him no shouts yet. I haven't yet heard "Heartbeats accelarating" or "Love over and over" But as with Joni's music I'm sure I will love them too. I think they have that in common, the grow to love aspect. Not all of Joni's music is easy to like and grasp at once, but at several listenings you may find yourself surprised how much you like it. Good luck and please do check out ! And thanks for the question I loved to answer it ! Love from Oddmund NP. Kate and Anna McGarriggle: Swimming song __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:50:31 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC From: "Vince" > Taylor Swift - someone along the way knocked her - all I can ask is: have > you listened to her? Yes, I kind of like her stuff, and she's a songwriter, too. As young as she is, she may indeed have a bright future-we will see. The difference, I suppose between her and Joni (for instance) is that Joni did not have millions of dollars worth of experts on her side, shaping her style, co-writing her songs, and producing her records. I think that goes for alot of the hip young acts that top the charts today. > why not embrace the old as well as the new? Its like we can't like James > Taylor unless we put down Justin Timberlake? That is an old way of > thinking. I can certainly dis the old farts, too. Take Neil Diamond. Please. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:52:32 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: NJC Re: Kate & Anna McGarrigle Garret, You must hear their first album, with the B&W cover, simly called K&AMCG. It made Rolling Stone Magazine 10-best list when it came out in the 70's. Also among ealier works, I like Dancer With Bruised Knees. For the later work, I recommend Matapaedia. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ So many new options, so little time. Windows Live Messenger. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/messenger.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:05:13 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: NJC McGarriggles Well guys, thanks for the passionate recommendations. I will go for love over and over, then, it seems pretty popular. I have in the meantime gotten my hands on Kate & Anna McGarrigle and Dancer with Bruised Knees. I like the quirky thing too, it often makes for interesting and surprising music. I agree with you Oddmund in realtion to Joni. Her music is not always accessible at first. I bought Turbulent Indigo as one of my first Joni albums, i was probably 18 or 19, after Hits and Blue. I loved the cover. First time i heard it, oh no, i thought, this is an album for old women. I was wrong. It is certainly among my top three Joni albums now, and TI the song is often my favourite Joni song (if that exists). Some of the best albums are like that. Often, those that i love instantly and play constantly drift away. Those that demand my attention, but also atract it in some way, are the ones that most impress me. I'm thinking here of HOSL, Kid A, Rufus Wainwright's first album, Bjork's Homogenic. Of course there are many more. On another note - i don't have a facebook profile (and have now definitively decided that i do not want one - i almost caved, almost - but i do have a last.fm profile, and i find it to be a great way to hear new music, old music, and music i love. can Oddmund and i be the only JMDLers on last.fm?) GARRET NP - Bon Iver, Blood Bank On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I love the McGarrigles but by no means am an expert on them. Every so often > a particular song pops out that has particular meaning. I absolutely love, > "love over and over" for its weird bouncy music and harmonies that weave in > and out. This would be a very hard song to sing and keep the lyrics intact. > > As well, they often put in references either to earlier songs they've > written ("You ask me how I feel/ I said my heart was like a wheel") or to > folk songs ("We are men of constant sorrow...," many of the words in "Going > back to Harlan.") And for that matter, they do sing a lot of old songs, folk > or otherwise, in English and in French (their mother was French-Canadian and > they grew up speaking both languages.) > > "Dancer with bruised knees" was the first album of theirs that I bought, > whenever that came out. They're quirky (I like that) and very talented > multi-instrumentalists with a unique singing style. > > LOVE OVER AND OVER > > I could say love over and over and over > I could say baby baby baby 'til my tongue spirals out of my head > When there's no one looking over my shoulder > I like to write rock and roll but it doesn't always hang together > So what do I know > Or anyone know about love > > You ask me how I feel > I said my heart was like a wheel > Why don't you listen to it sometime > I've walked upon the moors > On many misguided tours > Where Emily, Anne and Charlotte > Poured their hearts out > And what did they know > What could they know about love > Or anyone know about love > > I could say love over and over and over > I could say baby baby baby and make you think I mean it maybe > I'm goin' up a hill rollin' a boulder > Tryin to write rock and roll > But it doesn't keep body and soul together > So what do I know > Or anyone know about love > > You ask me how I feel > I said my heart was like a wheel > Why don't you listen to it sometime > I've walked upon the moors > On many misguided tours > Where Emily, Anne and Charlotte > Poured their hearts out > And what did they know > What could they know about love > Or anyone know about love > > Love over and over and over > Baby baby baby 'til my tongue spirals out of my head > Over and over and over > Baby baby baby and make you think I mean it, maybe > Love over and over and over > Baby baby baby 'til my tongue spirals out of my head > Over and over and over > Baby baby baby and make you think I mean it, maybe > > > --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Oddmund Kaarevik * wrote: > > I love Kate and AnnaMcGarriggle > I think I can say I've had a grove to love realtionship with them > Because it didn't happen at once... > > The first I heard of them was on a great album > called "Cool Christmas" in fact this was an introduction > for me to great artists like Tom Waits, Stina Nordenstam, McGarriggles, Tori > Amos, > Emmylou Harris and I you know there may be more. Their song "Blanche comme > la neige" > was my first listen. Which I would not characterize as easy listening. > But still a beautiful melody, sung in French with this special "r" > > Than the next song that come into my life as I guess with most of theie one > hit wonder > "Complainte pour 'ste Catherine" also known as "Ingen kommer > undan > politiken" in swedish. > This is a song I've heard since I was a kid, but I was happy to know it was > their song. > This is from their debut album , which also is beautiful and fun. Titled > Anna & Kate McGarriggle. > Second album "Dance with bruised knees" I think Patti Parlette is the > guru > on this - but me likes it too. ( - : > > The next song I discovered, quite coincidental I must admit > was from their latest album "La vache qui Pleure" (from 2003) > One I day I bought "Petite annonce amoureuse" on itunes, and it has > this > great beat in it. > My brother used it as one of the songs on the soundtrack for his Christmas > Magazine > Christmas 2007. An it was a hit among many of my friends. Unfortunately I'm > so uncultivated to not have learnt french > but I understand it has something to do with love. A great upbeat song. And > the rest of the album is newly downloaded from > Emusic. A great way to get to know music for not very much money:http://www.emusic.com/ > Last I checked they had (and I downloaded) La vache qui Pleure, French > record and Matapedia. I hope they will get even more in time. > As you I've also heard and liked both "The McGarriggle hour" and > also "The > McGarriggle Christmas hour" with Kate's much more famous children > Rufus and > Martha. > > Kate and Anna or only Anna has made quite many hits for other great artists > like Emmylou Harris, Linda Ronstadt and Maria Muldaur. As many of you were > before me I'm sure, I was greatly struck by Emmylou Harris' > "Wrecking Ball" > when I first came over it in the beggining of this millenium. "Going back > to > Harlan" is one song written there by Kate and Anna. And I must say I love > their version even more, (found on Matapedia from 1995 or 1996) On > Emmylou's > latest I think they wrote both "How she could sing the wildwood > flower" > together with Emmylou, and also "Sailing round the Room" I also > appreciate > them as choir girls for Emmylou on these tracks and also on the entire Nick > Cave CD "No more shall we part" Their harmonies may have become less > chrystal clear through the years. But for me they sing with so much soul and > love, that it always makes me happy and they just give me so much. So it's > not by chance that I've listened so much to them lately. I even got myself > a > friend in Japan on My Last FM due to my heavy listening to these sisters. > Though I haven't left him no shouts yet. > > I haven't yet heard "Heartbeats accelarating" or "Love over > and over" > But as with Joni's music I'm sure I will love them too. > I think they have that in common, the grow to love aspect. > Not all of Joni's music is easy to like and grasp at once, but at several > listenings > you may find yourself surprised how much you like it. > > Good luck and please do check out ! > And thanks for the question > I loved to answer it ! > > Love from Oddmund > NP. Kate and Anna McGarriggle: Swimming song ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:09:06 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes Dear Ones: WARNING: Digging down deep; possibly heavy company My dear Dad died three years ago today, and I'm remembering how Smurf was so *there* for me. He also was *there* at my dear Mother's deathbed 23 months later, comforting me on his babbling cellphone. With everyone sharing all the funny stories about him and by him (each one such a treasure!), I'd like to also shine on the deeply compassionate side of him. So deep, not superficial. "He comes for conversation, he comforts me sometime." Voila: From: Smurf (smurfadelica@yahoo.com) Sent: Sun 2/12/06 1:49 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: loveuconn@hotmail.com Our dear friend Patti Parlette wrote during the nightto say that her father - -- "the person who loved me themost out of all the people on this earth" -- diedyesterday morning of congestive heart failure in Utah. Patti is, of course, distraught, but says she's okay.Right now she is either en route to Salt Lake City orattempting to leave Connecticut after last night'sblizzard. (The snow is still falling here in Boston.) Patti also wrote: "Ummm, so what else do i need to say? Uh, could you tell the list why i have been incommunicado? I have reallywanted to post about the Tribute and meeting all thesecrazy wonderful people, but I just could not. You canshare whatever you deem appropriate...." With love for Patti and all the rest of you at thismoment of the world, --Bob***At this moment of the world, we still feel his love.The gift goes on. Like silence, in a bell jar, still a song.BLUE!xosmurf&allxo,ppNPIMH: Somewhere Out There, Linda Rondstad and James Ingramversion (the youtube was yanked) "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:14:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: NJC McGarriggles well this old gal loved Turbulent Indigo from the get go...so I guess in some ways, you are right ;--) Mags Garret wrote: First time i heard it, oh no, i thought, this is an album for old women. I was wrong. __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:15:17 -0500 From: Vince Subject: Re: Etta James -vs- Beyonce over "At Last" njc The New Yorker was quite taken with Beyonce's take on Etta James in cadillac Records and her cover of At Last at the ball. http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2009/02/09/090209crmu_music_fre rejones For all that, liking Beyonci is still a wise bet. What Knowles fails to > convey with Sasha Fierce she accomplishes in the movie "Cadillac Records," > with her portrayal of someone who headlines in the Genius LoungeEtta James. > When Beyonci rolls her body and her voice into James's music, the results > are not safe. Her version of James is a worthy tribute to the sexuality and > craft of the woman we know from her Chess recordings. Why Knowles could not > make her own record as spontaneous and magnetic probably has something to do > with the Knowles vision of Beyonci's fans and how much actual fierceness > they can take. > When Beyonci sang for the Obamas at the Neighborhood Ball on January 20th, > the whole shebang revealed itself in a synergistic flash. The song of choice > was Etta James's "At Last." Team Knowles was not going to waste one of the > year's biggest broadcast events. As the exuberant First Couple slow-danced, > Knowles did her part to turn basic romantic folderol into historic prophecy: > our lonely nights are gone, the skies are blue, we've all found a dream. One > slightly artless twirl-about was all that the crowd needed to cheer the > President on. Knowles gave the song the right blend of smoothness and grit, > watching the couple, and holding back what looked like bona-fide tears. It > was pitch-perfect and seemed genuine. And maybe this is why Beyonci's > audience isn't much bothered by her need to futz about with unconvincing > role-playing. She's really good at being good. > Vince On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Garret wrote: > I heard this a few days ago, linked from nme.com. At first i was > surprised > to learn that Etta James is still going (it irritates me something terrible > when people say that, but there's me saying it). Then i wondered about the > comments, it's an odd little rant. A few days later she apologised > apparently. > GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:11:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: NJC McGarriggles I love them too. Saw them in concert many years ago at Hamilton Place, Ontario. Was given tickets at the last minute. A most memorable evening. Made me cry ;-) but of course. nice lyrics there, Catherine. thanks for posting them Mags in icy, rainy, yucky overcast Winnipeg. __________________________________________________________________ Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. Get your new email address now! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:27:47 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: NJC McGarriggles LOL, nicely put Mags;-) I can't hear whatever i heard then that made me think something as silly as that. I saw them with the whole clan in the royal festival hall in London (Chris if you're reading, wasn't that a strange evening??) about 5 or 6 years ago. I thought they were fantastic, natural stage presence, wonderful singing and playing. GARRET On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Mags wrote: > well this old gal loved Turbulent Indigo from the get go...so I guess in > some ways, you are right ;--) > > Mags > > > > Garret wrote: First time i heard it, oh no, i thought, this is an album for old women. I > was wrong. > a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:29:29 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Etta James -vs- Beyonce over "At Last" njc I thought she was terrific in the movie ( I bought the soundtrack) and terrific at the ball. She was also a stand out at the Kennedy Honors presentation for Streisand. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Vince wrote: > The New Yorker was quite taken with Beyonce's take on Etta James in > cadillac > Records and her cover of At Last at the ball. > > > http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2009/02/09/090209crmu_music_fre > rejones > > For all that, liking Beyonci is still a wise bet. What Knowles fails to > > convey with Sasha Fierce she accomplishes in the movie "Cadillac > Records," > > with her portrayal of someone who headlines in the Genius Lounge Etta > James. > > When Beyonci rolls her body and her voice into James's music, the results > > are not safe. Her version of James is a worthy tribute to the sexuality > and > > craft of the woman we know from her Chess recordings. Why Knowles could > not > > make her own record as spontaneous and magnetic probably has something to > do > > with the Knowles vision of Beyonci's fans and how much actual fierceness > > they can take. > > When Beyonci sang for the Obamas at the Neighborhood Ball on January > 20th, > > the whole shebang revealed itself in a synergistic flash. The song of > choice > > was Etta James's "At Last." Team Knowles was not going to waste one of > the > > year's biggest broadcast events. As the exuberant First Couple > slow-danced, > > Knowles did her part to turn basic romantic folderol into historic > prophecy: > > our lonely nights are gone, the skies are blue, we've all found a dream. > One > > slightly artless twirl-about was all that the crowd needed to cheer the > > President on. Knowles gave the song the right blend of smoothness and > grit, > > watching the couple, and holding back what looked like bona-fide tears. > It > > was pitch-perfect and seemed genuine. And maybe this is why Beyonci's > > audience isn't much bothered by her need to futz about with unconvincing > > role-playing. She's really good at being good. > > > > Vince > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Garret wrote: > > > I heard this a few days ago, linked from nme.com. At first i was > > surprised > > to learn that Etta James is still going (it irritates me something > terrible > > when people say that, but there's me saying it). Then i wondered about > the > > comments, it's an odd little rant. A few days later she apologised > > apparently. > > GARRET > - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:45:36 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC And his (3) Joni covers too: 1. BSN 2. Chelsea Morning 3. Free Man In Paris (this one is particularly bad) I wish he never brang them to us, as well as the word "brang" itself as used in a song ("songs she sang to me, songs she brang to me"). Now, it has been used since, so Neil can say he was a pioneer, but when you're the pioneer for the Ying Yang Twins and the lyric is "Brang you azz outdoz", it's not really something you brag about or want on your artist resume. I'm still holding out for the DVD release of The Last Waltz that edits him out. Hey, speaking of DVD's, The Fiddle & The Drum dropped yesterday - I'm anxious to see the bonus material - behind the scenes with Joni and interviews with a couple of the Alberta dancers and you know there may be more. Bob NP: Joni, "Willy" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Especially here where music is supposed to be our shared interest and music lives, it is not the mummified remains of our childhoods that we cling to *because nothing good has been done since our puberty. * Other than the Beyonce article I just linked to in a prior post, I so much enjoy the New Yorker because it remains new and open to the world in which we live. A few issues back there was a review of the new movie Notorious about the life of the Notorious B.I.G. It concluded by saying that to really capture the life force that was Biggie Smalls, one would need an extended tv mini-series- or listening to his music again. I did not feel free to share that here. To be ignored or open a new discussion ripping rap as "not music" - I mean, to be very blunt and this unfair but not so much so - that as the JMDL has aged, it has become too much a home for aging geriatrics who can't wait to attack the music of the next generation bubbling up. I love folks here but it is tough to see whole genres dismissed (for racial or for aging reasons? ironic considering Joni's transcendent genre-breaking journeys - we too easily betray the spirit of her career)... I was very sad that Rihanna did not appear at the grammys because of the Chris Brown thing and I was sorry to miss him as well - Rihanna is such an explosive talent, I love her work so much... but who here knows who she is? or would do other than put her down because she is not Aretha Franklin?* I am sick unto death of Justin Timberlake being dissed by old people who are clueless as to his music, and I am tired of rap being dismissed, and I am tired of all new artists being dismissed unless they are reflections (or children) of aging hippies, the past is just a goodbye, so sha la la la la let's live for today. Take care Cassie and please, you and Joseph and Bob and Jerry can email me off list with new music to be turned on to... please... Vince *this is not a dis at Aretha - I am maybe the only (ex) JMDLer who has done Aretha covers for her sister Erma while on a dorm bed at WMU in Kalamazoo - but as Rihanna sings, "come on, take a bow, it's over now" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:02:47 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC Taylor Swift is also cute as a button and yes, I think she can sing. I don't know nuffin' about the music industry but it seems the starmaker machinery behind the popular song is stronger than ever (think American Idol, which I guiltily admit that I enjoy watching, at least in the early stages, mostly because I love to see the really terrible singers.) I'm not sure if Neil Diamond was *ever* considered cool, but the younger generation (some of them) seem to like him. My daughter thinks he's cool but I think it may be just because she loves the song "Sweet Caroline". For some reason, that cracks me up. Maybe he's like Tony Bennett to her, who was an old fogey to most of us when we were young, but later he became cool because he hung around for so long, I guess. - --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Randy Remote wrote: From: "Vince" > Taylor Swift - someone along the way knocked her - all I can ask is: have > you listened to her? Yes, I kind of like her stuff, and she's a songwriter, too. As young as she is, she may indeed have a bright future-we will see. [...]I can certainly dis the old farts, too. Take Neil Diamond. Please. RR __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:08:04 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC, Smurf comes for conversation, he comforts me sometimes He had a heart as big as all outdoors. In addition to being the funniest man on earth. In addition to being a wonderful and creative writer. And on and on. Patti, I'm so glad you had that great relationship with him. Mine was mostly bickering by email (simultaneously being pissed off by him and pissing myself with laughing) but I had the opportunity to sit and talk to him at the last Jonifest we both attended at Full Moon (a lot more laughing, to be sure.) As someone else said to me, "He was a great man, but a bad boy," and I think that's just ONE more reason why I love the guy. - --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Patti Parlette wrote: Dear Ones: WARNING: Digging down deep; possibly heavy company My dear Dad died three years ago today, and I'm remembering how Smurf was so *there* for me. He also was *there* at my dear Mother's deathbed 23 months later, comforting me on his babbling cellphone. With everyone sharing all the funny stories about him and by him (each one such a treasure!), I'd like to also shine on the deeply compassionate side of him. So deep, not superficial. "He comes for conversation, he comforts me sometime." Voila: From: Smurf (smurfadelica@yahoo.com) Sent: Sun 2/12/06 1:49 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: loveuconn@hotmail.com Our dear friend Patti Parlette wrote during the nightto say that her father - -- "the person who loved me themost out of all the people on this earth" -- diedyesterday morning of congestive heart failure in Utah. Patti is, of course, distraught, but says she's okay.Right now she is either en route to Salt Lake City orattempting to leave Connecticut after last night'sblizzard. (The snow is still falling here in Boston.) Patti also wrote: "Ummm, so what else do i need to say? Uh, could you tell the list why i have been incommunicado? I have reallywanted to post about the Tribute and meeting all thesecrazy wonderful people, but I just could not. You canshare whatever you deem appropriate...." With love for Patti and all the rest of you at thismoment of the world, --Bob***At this moment of the world, we still feel his love.The gift goes on. Like silence, in a bell jar, still a song.BLUE!xosmurf&allxo,ppNPIMH: Somewhere Out There, Linda Rondstad and James Ingramversion (the youtube was yanked) "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:14:01 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC McGarriggles My daughter doesn't care for them or any McGarrigle-like voices. She can't stand Martha Wainwright, because she thinks she sounds like "an old woman." It may be an acquired taste - their voices are a little odd compared to many. Sigh. Kids these days. Man, I have to play "Bloody motherf**in' a-hole" for her and maybe she'll change her mind. She always says similar things about her own Dad. ;-) - --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Garret wrote: LOL, nicely put Mags;-) I can't hear whatever i heard then that made me think something as silly as that. I saw them with the whole clan in the royal festival hall in London (Chris if you're reading, wasn't that a strange evening??) about 5 or 6 years ago. I thought they were fantastic, natural stage presence, wonderful singing and playing. GARRET On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Mags wrote: well this old gal loved Turbulent Indigo from the get go...so I guess in some ways, you are right ;--) Mags Garret wrote: First time i heard it, oh no, i thought, this is an album for old women. I was wrong. All new Yahoo! Mail - Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:22:40 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Reflections on the Grammy - NJC In the case of the Yin Yang twins, "brang" is probably just a southern pronunciation of "bring." Like "thang" for "thing." In the case of Neil Diamond, well, it's just sloppy rhyming. - --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: I wish he never brang them to us, as well as the word "brang" itself as used in a song ("songs she sang to me, songs she brang to me"). Now, it has been used since, so Neil can say he was a pioneer, but when you're the pioneer for the Ying Yang Twins and the lyric is "Brang you azz outdoz", it's not really something you brag about or want on your artist resume. __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:34:06 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: NJC McGarriggles :-) I think Martha's voice is wonderful, so lusty, gravelly, sultry, soaring. I think on her latest album she really did begin to sound like her mother at times. Rufus, yea, his voice may be an acquired taste, but once you acquire that taste you're in for a great ride. So what are the kids these days listening to? GARRET On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > My daughter doesn't care for them or any McGarrigle-like voices. She can't > stand Martha Wainwright, because she thinks she sounds like "an old woman." > It may be an acquired taste - their voices are a little odd compared to > many. > > Sigh. Kids these days. > > Man, I have to play "Bloody motherf**in' a-hole" for her and maybe she'll > change her mind. She always says similar things about her own Dad. ;-) > > > --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Garret * wrote: > > > LOL, nicely put Mags;-) > > I can't hear whatever i heard then that made me think something as silly as > that. > > I saw them with the whole clan in the royal festival hall in London (Chris > if you're reading, wasn't that a strange evening??) about 5 or 6 years ago. > I thought they were fantastic, natural stage presence, wonderful singing and > playing. > GARRET > > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Mags wrote: > >> well this old gal loved Turbulent Indigo from the get go...so I guess >> in some ways, you are right ;--) >> >> Mags >> >> >> >> Garret wrote: First time i heard it, oh no, i thought, this is an album for old women. I >> was wrong. >> a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. >> > > > ------------------------------ > > *Yahoo! Canada Toolbar :* Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark > your favourite sites. Download it now! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Grammy Memorials njc Oh, boo, hiss, Vince! Where are we going to get our Eminem updates from, if not for you? I enjoy your take on things. We need our rap rep! I don't remember seeing anything really dissing new artists, at least nothing along the "rap is crap" line that you see sometimes. Now THAT is close-minded and to dismiss an entire genre on the basis of a song or two you don't like is to miss out on the goal of learning something new every day (which isn't a goal at all for some people, I know.) I actually think Justin Timberlake is quite a talented young man, too - and that has been an evolution for me. When he was with the Backstreet Boys (or was he NSync? I dunno - that was ten years ago - we've got cassette tapes of them somewhere!), there was nothing that really stood out, but since he went out on his own, he has shown a great breadth of talent, He can sing AND he can act, plus he seems like a good guy with a heart. I do enjoy some rap stuff. I think the main issue for me is I can't understand what they're saying a lot of the time. When it comes right down to it, I also can't understand what a lot of people are saying in songs, but sometimes if there's a melody behind it, I don't think about it so much. I do enjoy reading some of the lyrics though. I think of it as poetry and that's kind of what it is and it does go along with the oral tradition, the griots and so on. It makes perfect sense from that perspective. I do like the kind of rap that speaks about social issues, but not the stuff that is strictly about booty and bling (acid, booze and ass?) But there are many rock songs that fall into that category as well. It will be interesting to see what happens as rap artists get older - what they will evolve into. For instance, LL Cool J who is about 40 now and I guess is an old man in the hip hop world. (Was he actually on the Grammies, or was it just one of those red carpet interviews I saw him on?) - --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Vince wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Cassy wrote: > > > Overall, the parts of the awards show I saw were good. I also loved the > mixing it up of new and old artists, music builds bridges. > > Warmly, > Cassy > > Thanks Cassy, yes it does - or at least, if people are open to new possibilities, music can build bridges. Before I went online today I was thinking that I should have included you and Jerry Notaro in my little list of people I know who are open to new music, music from this decade, music from this century, music from this millennium. And I was also thinking of taking a break from the JMDL because I get fed up with closed mindedness to anything new. Especially here where music is supposed to be our shared interest and music lives, it is not the mummified remains of our childhoods that we cling to *because nothing good has been done since our puberty. * __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:53:17 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC McGarriggles I can speak only for my own kids and I'm not sure how representative they are of their generation. I think both of my kids' tastes are rather conservative. Sarah (almost 22) likes John Mayer, Jason Mraz, Lily Allen, Metric (a Canadian group), Hawkesley Workman (also Canadian and I'm not sure how many of these Canadians are known outside this country), as well as Dallas Green (both on his own as "City and Colour" and within the emo/screamo group Alexisonfire.) She used to like Connor Oberst (Bright Eyes) a lot, but isn't following him much any more. Matthew (18) is listening to a lot of old fart music these days, especially the Beatles and Led Zeppelin, but he also likes a lot of indy groups, mostly Canadian, many of whom I've never heard of before and can't remember the names of off the top of my head. He also has a crush on Lisa Hannigan, one of your compatriots. (Matthew is into a very Irish phase right now, having decided that that side of the family - my mother was a McGuire - is the one he most identifies with.) He used to listen to some, but not a lot, of rap and hip hop but isn't that interested in it anymore. I think the REALLY young kids are listening to... the Jonas Brothers, Miley Cyrus, etc. - --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Garret wrote: So what are the kids these days listening to? GARRET __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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