From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #339 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 31 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 339 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Happy New Year! JC [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: songs / singers i can no longer listen to njc ["T Peckham" ] Re: Delaney RIP [Vince ] Re: songs / singers i can no longer listen to njc re Terra's post [Jeann] Re: Delaney Bramlett [PassScribe@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:32:01 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Happy New Year! JC Russ, you crack me up. Don't let FTR hover too long. It's a gem. I'm not sure I'll close out the year with Joni at all. The girl just doesn't say partay! to me. It'll probably be more like Above & Beyond or some such get-your-booty-on-the-dancefloor type music. I will probably start off the new year with the divine Miss Mitchell though. I need her to ground me and bring me back down to earth. So glad you like River. Unlike you, I didn't take to it at first. It seemed a bit too abstract for me but, it sure has grown on me. Even Leonard Cohen's rap. There were a number of tracks that only came on special versions of the album through Amazon, etc. Let me know if you'd like those to fill out the experience. Mark in Sydney PS I hope you all have a prosperous 2009. NP Ride - Pnau & Stiff Gins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:17:19 -0600 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: songs / singers i can no longer listen to njc Coming out of . . . well, not lurking . . . just having no time to read everything for a couple months. See below. :-) On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Mags wrote: > > > > what i mean to say when i listed shawn, patty, jonatha, etc > > is that i can no > > longer listen to them because of the memories connected to > > that certain part > > of my life. i've tried and tried but can't do it. > > > > anyone else experience that? > Yes, tho not till the last decade brought a lot of changes and loss, most of it unexpected. Assuming you're talking about Patty Griffin, some of her lyrics cut too close to the bone for me, but it's also about her voice; she's almost like Ronstadt used to be for me: I used to almost strangle my breath trying to get as big and powerful a sound as she did---till I wisely realized it was impossible. :-P But Patty just kills on all levels. One of my favorite Rosanne Cash albums is *The Wheel*, but unfortunately it's deeply connected to a very sad time in my life---tho it also, strangely, can sometimes rekindle hope. I have to be in just the right mood to listen to it now. I go thru periods when I can't listen to any Joni at all . . . for many reasons. Probably the most difficult for me is Julie Miller. Actually, *Blue Pony* is okay except for one song; but her follow-up album *Broken Things *contains two songs I can't listen to (unless I have time for a major breakdown): the title cut and "I Still Cry," which has an astonishing harmony vocal from Patty Griffin. (No hyperbole, really). Tho it could be interpreted in several ways, for me it's about my mom's unexpected death. (If you know the song . . . my mom died one January, but her birthday was in September.) > > > > > "I get myself pissed off enough to think about the person involved who has > ruined it for me, "Feck you, you can't have this. It's mine" and take it > back." LOL---that works for bad romantic relationships---reminds me of Lucinda's [You took my] "Joy". I've never had trouble listening to those kind of songs---I've always been a great wallower. ;-) As for songs that evoke good memories and feelings---oy, that's a whole other night! ---Thanks for the topic, whoever started it. (I may never get caught up!) Terra NP on headphones, loud: Luka Bloom, *The Acoustic Motorbike* - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who STILL might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:02:42 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: songs / singers i can no longer listen to njc re Terra's post Yes, Patty Griffin in particular, but also Jonatha and Shawn. I did have a listen to Shawn the other day, but only made it through a couple of songs. It's painful because it's complex and convoluted. There's a lot of high emotions these days (read: anger) and as frustrating as it is, that's where I am. Having had some rock salt poured in that open wound just this past October, well it's like the vortex is swirling all over again. Hell hath no fury like a mother scorned! And the funny thing is, I want to shed my soul of all of it. But there was so much going on at that time, on top of *it* that I think too many things got tangled up (in blue). I hear you, Terra, re: associating music with the loss of your mother or other loved one. As Ive said many times on this list, I lost my brother Dave , and while it has been just over five years now the sting remains. Perhaps not as searing, but I have learned one of the most poignant lessons about grief, that one does *not* get over it. Sure, one learns to live with it, somehow, but that hole remains. And in some ways, it should remain just so. I wouldnt ever want to be okay that Dave is gone. I mentiioned the other day, the songs from Dave's funeral. Sunshine on My Shoulders played round and round and none of us (except the people who made the tape) knew that this was in the works, so to hear Gordon Lightfoot, as well as John Denver all in my brother's name, well, you know the waters were overflowing that day. I guess what Im trying to say is that, for me, music associated with loss due to death is one thing. But a socalled love gone sour, is another thing. And when other complications arise, like aftershock (perfect word), then the tempest rises within. Like death, there's no "getting over it". but the gift within is the smack up the side of the head wake up call, for which I am grateful. honestly, I dont think Ive dealt with it, not completely. Life is too busy, too filled with a completely different kind of heart and soul for me to really have to go there. So I bore you all to tears with my redundancy. ;--P thanks for writing, Terra. Matters of the heart, they are important. Sometimes we dont want to talk about it, like that elephant in the corner, everyone's trying to ignore it so it will eventually go away. And sometimes they just dont. love, Mags __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:57:37 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: songs / singers i can no longer listen to njc re Terra's post - --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Mags wrote: > I hear you, Terra, re: associating music with the loss of > your mother or other > loved one. I think I listened to Jane Siberry's "When I was a boy" over and over when my mother was dying and just after, going to the funeral home and so on. Then I couldn't listen to it for a long while, but later, was able to again. Sometimes if a piece of music is bothering me a lot and making me sad, I'll just listen to it over and over until I'm so used to it, I no longer feel sad. Maybe I'm a masochist. > I guess what Im trying to say is that, for me, music > associated with loss due > to death is one thing. But a socalled love gone sour, is > another thing. And > when other complications arise, like aftershock (perfect > word), then the > tempest rises within. > I guess I don't associate anything too much with that, fortunately. My ex did take a lot of my CDs when he left, which pissed me right off because 1) I paid for them 2) he had no right to like the music I liked because it's mine, dammit! but later I realized the a-hole probably needed it more than I did, because it's pretty much all he had at the time, so I was OK with it. Every so often, a song will sneak up on me and bring up emotions I thought I had dealt with. Damn, I hate when that happens! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:16:00 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RIP Freddie Hubbard Jazz trumpeter Freddie Hubbard died yesterday at the age of 70. I had the pleasure of seeing him and his band when I was a college student and a subscriber to NC State's Jazz series. Saw some amazing shows back in those days and I recall this was a fine one. As for the Joni content, Larry Klein was playing bass in Hubbard's band in the late 70's, he transitioned from that gig to playing with Joni. Bob NP: Eddie "Guitar" Burns, "Treat Me Like I Treat You" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:12:40 -0500 From: Vince Subject: Re: Delaney RIP sad news I saw Delaney and Bonnie on the Blind Faith tour Vince On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Susan Guzzi wrote: > One of my favorite feel good songs, Never Ending Love ... and now Delaney > is > gone... > > http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=345413>1=28102 > > Rock songwriter Delaney Bramlett dies in L.A. at 69 > Dec. 28, 2008, 3:45 PM EST > LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Singer-songwriter -producer Delaney Bramlett, who > penned > such classic rock songs as "Let it Rain" and worked with musicians George > Harrison and Eric Clapton, has died. He was 69. > Bramlett died Saturday shortly before 5 a.m. at UCLA Ronald Reagan Medical > Center in Los Angeles as a result of complications from gallbladder > surgery, > his wife Susan Lanier-Bramlett said. > Born in Mississippi, Bramlett enjoyed a career in the music business that > spanned 50 years. With his then-wife Bonnie Lynn, he created the Southern > blues-rock band Delaney & Bonnie & Friends. The group opened for Blind > Faith, > which featured British guitarist Clapton, in 1969. > He is perhaps best known for standards such as "Superstar," co-written with > Leon Russell, which was recorded by Usher, Luther Vandross, Bette Midler, > The > Carpenters and most recently, Sonic Youth, in a version featured on the > Grammy-nominated soundtrack of the movie "Juno." > He co-wrote "Let it Rain" with Clapton, who also recorded it, and "Never > Ending Song of Love," which was recorded by more than 100 artists including > Ray Charles, George Jones, Tammy Wynette, Patty Loveless and Dwight Yoakam. > During his career, he performed, co-wrote or recorded with stars such as > Jimi > Hendrix, Janis Joplin, John Lennon, Dave Mason, Billy Preston, the Everly > Brothers and Mac Davis. He also produced artists including Etta James and > Elvin Bishop. > He recently released an album, "A New Kind of Blues," on independent label > Magnolia Gold Records. > > Peace, > Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:48:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: songs / singers i can no longer listen to njc re Terra's post Hey There, Mags, I've heard your anger, especially now that you tell us it is the anger of a mother scorned. I've been there recently and that is the worse mfb type of emotion that one cannot just shed like a reptile's skin. It takes time and lots of strength. For me, what has recently come to a reality is "that everything I dread and everything I fear comes true." But I'm pulling through and I'm not pissed, just deeply hurt. As far as listening to artists I'd listen to, I don't listen to any body I used to listen to, especially the females. It's just Joni and Rickie Lee with Van The Man and Of course, Warren Zevon, here and there. Waiting for Ry Cooder's, Ruben Blades' and Joan Armadtrading's next record. I listen to what comes to me and now that's going to be the Blind Boys of Alabama with The Preservation Hall Jazz Band and I'm so 'grateful and gleeful' I was able to see them live. It hit me right in the soul---WHANG---loud and clear!! No words! I wish I would have known who Michael Paz was so I could have gone up to him to meet him. I'm still not sure if Michael Paz is the same person I think Michael Paz could have been. I hope to meet him and many other Joni-fans on this lonely road I'm traveling. I can't wait to get to the next SoCal 2009 Joni-Fest. I started a Facebook thing that I'm just fiddling with. I decided to get it going though I don't know a damn thing I'm doing :) so that some of you I may have the pleasure of meeting can have an idea of at least what I look like. Mags, it's true what you say that there has been alot of "high emotions" like "anger" running rampant here, there, everywhere. "You can feel it in the air," like Joni says and as a result of all this short-circuited "pissed off-jacked-up" negative energy, cruelty has to go around and wrap it's ugly head in every corner it can grasp at, and oh, so unfairly. From one scorned mother to another, you really have to let the anger go, as tricky and tough as it may be. That ugliness makes one ugly and the face starts to grow old looking. Happiness is the BEST facelift. And spirituality is the fountain of youth. Take care, Mags! Jeannie - --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Mags wrote: > From: Mags > Subject: Re: songs / singers i can no longer listen to njc re Terra's post > To: "Catherine McKay" , "T Peckham" > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 9:02 AM > Yes, Patty Griffin in particular, but also Jonatha and > Shawn. I did have a > listen to Shawn the other day, but only made it through a > couple of songs. > It's painful because it's complex and convoluted. > There's a lot of high > emotions these days (read: anger) and as frustrating as it > is, that's where I > am. Having had some rock salt poured in that open wound > just this past > October, well it's like the vortex is swirling all over > again. Hell hath no > fury like a mother scorned! And the funny thing is, I want > to shed my soul of > all of it. But there was so much going on at that time, on > top of *it* that I > think too many things got tangled up (in blue). > > I hear you, Terra, re: associating music with the loss of > your mother or other > loved one. As Ive said many times on this list, I lost my > brother Dave , and > while it has been just over five years now the sting > remains. Perhaps not as > searing, but I have learned one of the most poignant > lessons about grief, that > one does *not* get over it. Sure, one learns to live with > it, somehow, but > that hole remains. And in some ways, it should remain just > so. I wouldnt ever > want to be okay that Dave is gone. > > I mentiioned the other day, the songs from Dave's > funeral. Sunshine on My > Shoulders played round and round and none of us (except the > people who made > the tape) knew that this was in the works, so to hear > Gordon Lightfoot, as > well as John Denver all in my brother's name, well, you > know the waters were > overflowing that day. > > I guess what Im trying to say is that, for me, music > associated with loss due > to death is one thing. But a socalled love gone sour, is > another thing. And > when other complications arise, like aftershock (perfect > word), then the > tempest rises within. > > Like death, there's no "getting over it". but > the gift within is the smack up > the side of the head wake up call, for which I am grateful. > > honestly, I dont think Ive dealt with it, not completely. > Life is too busy, > too filled with a completely different kind of heart and > soul for me to really > have to go there. So I bore you all to tears with my > redundancy. ;--P > > thanks for writing, Terra. Matters of the heart, they are > important. Sometimes > we dont want to talk about it, like that elephant in the > corner, everyone's > trying to ignore it so it will eventually go away. And > sometimes they just > dont. > > love, Mags > __________________________________________________________________ > Instant > Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new > Yahoo! Canada > Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:25:34 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Delaney Bramlett Rock songwriter Delaney Bramlett dies in L.A. at 69 Thanks for that "heads up", Susan... another legend has left us. Kenny B ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #339 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------