From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #329 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 21 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 329 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #269 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: If ["Paul Castle" ] Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: greetings NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) [Bob Muller ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc)/ now NJC [Em ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry NJC [Victor Johnson ] A Song that really made me cry [Jeannie ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (njc) [Garret ] Re: A Song that really made me cry/njc [Jeannie ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (njc) [Em ] Inauguration njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Inauguration njc [Jeannie ] Re: Inauguration njc [Em ] Happy Solstice [M C ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) ["ron" ] Re: Inauguration njc [Vince ] Re: Inauguration njc [Jeannie ] Re: Inauguration njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Inauguration njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Inauguration njc ["gene" ] RE: Inauguration njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Inauguration njc ["gene" ] songs that make me cry njc ["gene" ] Re: Inauguration njc [Vince ] Re: songs that make me cry njc ["Cassy" ] Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) ["Cassy" ] Re: songs that make me cry vljc ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:33:46 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #269 Hey Michael. So glad to have the company of another Aussie. I'm a long term lister too but only been active since about 2003. That makes four of us from the great land of Oz. You, me, Don and Melissa. I sure hope you can make it to OzFest in March, 2010. Mark in Sydney NP Mind Trips - The Brand New Heavies ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:18:00 +0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: If Michael wrote: > OMG the Gov. of Illinois is quoting the Kipling poem..... I had a boss once who called his us in for an emergency meeting during some crisis and started by saying, "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, you probably haven't grasped the seriousness of the situation!" Happy hols, y'ule PaulC np Tannis Slimmon - 'Ernest Charlie Allan' (Lucky Blue) - fab!! [They drove down to Assiniboine Valley To the top of the Beaver Dam Hill Where the stars go on forever And probably always will"] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:15:45 +0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) Sitting on the sofa watching Randy Newman sing 'Marie' (in a recent concert here in London at St Luke's with the BBC Concert Orchestra) I found myself having a serious 'senior moment' when the violins kicked in as he sang "I'm drunk now, baby but I've got to be Or I never could tell you what you mean to me" Someone has put it up on YouTube - it'll probably be taken down as soon as someone for the BBC spots it, so if you like Randy do try and watch it now - very special, imo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suHQu_W3KN0 Recently enjoyed reading a blog post by Dougas Newman (no relation as far as I know) called "10 Songs that Make Me Cry" see http://magazine.jamsbio.com/2008/11/06/10-songs-that-make-me-cry/ and http://magazine.jamsbio.com/2008/11/06/10-songs-that-make-me-cry/2/ His choices: "Boots of Spanish Leather" by Bob Dylan (1963) "Needle of Death" by Bert Jansch (1965) "Kathy's Song" by Simon & Garfunkel (1966) "Farewell, Farewell" by Fairport Convention (1969) "Road" by Nick Drake (1970) "Hello in There" by John Prine (1971) "The Last Time I Saw Richard" by Joni Mitchell (1971) "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" by Bruce Springsteen (1973) "Anchorage" by Michelle Shocked (1987) "Svefn-g-englar" by Sigur Ros (1999) Quite a few of his choices have done it to me at some time or other - although 'The Last Time I Saw Richard' wouldn't be my first choice from Blue ("River', probably) and I'd not heard Sigur Ros before - a really interesting sound on first listen but this track didn't 'get me', but, as his comments suggest, so much depends on what is going on in your life when you first hear a song. Interested to know what does it for other jmdlers very best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:09:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: greetings NJC Welcome back, Michael - jump right in and start swimming, the water's fine here at the JMDL. Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "For A Dancer" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:24:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) I'm like as far as Joni is concerned, Paul - "Richard" will never bring on the tears but "River" will on occasion. A lot of it (crying) is dependant on my mood. I typically always will cry when I hear Stevie's "You Are The Sunshine Of My Life" because I bought the 45 for my Mom who loved that song and it reminds me of her. I'd be hard-pressed to listen to Jeff Hankins' "The Vow" without breaking down, alcohol or no. Just about any version of "A Place For Us" from West Side Story will also turn the trick. Bob NP: Joni, "Blue" (MOA version) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:30:58 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) On Dec 20, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > > Just about any version of "A Place For Us" from West Side Story will > also turn the trick. I love Tom Waits' version from Blue Valentine especially. "Somewhere" is the title. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:31:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) Hello In There and In My Life Jerry Bob Muller wrote: > > > I'm like as far as Joni is concerned, Paul - "Richard" will never bring on > the tears but "River" will on occasion. A lot of it (crying) is dependant > on my mood. I typically always will cry when I hear Stevie's "You Are The > Sunshine Of My Life" because I bought the 45 for my Mom who loved that > song and it reminds me of her. > > I'd be hard-pressed to listen to Jeff Hankins' "The Vow" without breaking > down, alcohol or no. > > Just about any version of "A Place For Us" from West Side Story will also > turn the trick. > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Blue" (MOA version) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:46:34 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry NJC <"Somewhere" is the title.> Thanks Victor - I knew that what I wrote was wrong but I didn't feel like looking it up. And you're right, Waits' version is right up there. I listened to it on my wedding day (almost 25 years ago) and wept like a great big sissy. Bob NP: Whiskeytown, "Paper Moon" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:55:24 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc)/ now NJC last week, Lou Reed and Elvis Costello together on Elvis' TV series "Spectacle", doing Lou Reed's song "Perfect Day" had me not only in tears, but an actual sob or 2 was issued forth. This worried my dog greatly. She seems to smell tears coming on even before they arrive, and applies her whole body to me as a kind of anti-tear poultice. But this one caught her by surprise. (and me too) sigh... scary sh_t, dat. Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:45:02 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry NJC No problem... :) I kind of like the way you wrote it actually. The last song that made me cry was when I was at the opera, Madame Butterfly, this past fall and Pinkerton started singing "Addio fiorito asil", about what a wretch he was and I just broke down. It's such a beautiful song...and so sad. Victor On Dec 20, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > <"Somewhere" is the title.> > > Thanks Victor - I knew that what I wrote was wrong but I didn't feel > like looking it up. And you're right, Waits' version is right up > there. I listened to it on my wedding day (almost 25 years ago) and > wept like a great big sissy. > > Bob > > NP: Whiskeytown, "Paper Moon" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: A Song that really made me cry Warren's last live performance on David Letterman soon after he announced he was suffering with mesothelioma and was dying and I was devastated. The name of the song is Mutineer. Randy Newman's wonderful performance reminded me of that bittersweet night of tears. Jeannie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmjTQqJXtgs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:39:11 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (njc) By Bette Midler, Jerry? Her version of Hello In There is beautiful. Cool River by Kate (or is it Anna??) McGarrigle (i think it's Anna) gets me. Rain & Sunshine by Sam Shaber can do it too. Maybe, at times, the long and winding road. There are a number of sogns that are connected with people that have died, such as Thank You For The Days, Luke Kelly version, or Waterfall by the Stone Roses, that can affect me. There are others, i just can't think of them right now, something about the way memory works.... I suppose many songs evoke a strong atmosphere for me, but the crying don't come too easily fropm day to day. GARRET NP- Gogol Bordello, Start Wearing Purple On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jerry Notaro wrote: > Hello In There and In My Life > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: A Song that really made me cry/njc I'm sorry for leaving the NJC out. I had just seen Warren sing his song before I sent it out and was trembling like Magdalene and crying once again. Still missing him. I never understood how I ended up at his concerts one night after the other from the Tri-States down over to Texas in a matter of a week and a half. IT JUST HAPPENED TO HAPPEN with no planning of my own and then I fell in love with his music===all of it---and was so fulfilled after not hearing the true music for so very long. I sorely missed Joni and Warren became my refuge but fate cut it too soon! Jeannie - --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Jeannie wrote: > From: Jeannie > Subject: A Song that really made me cry > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 10:53 AM > Warren's last live performance on David Letterman soon > after he announced he was suffering with mesothelioma and > was dying and I was devastated. > > The name of the song is Mutineer. > > Randy Newman's wonderful performance reminded me of > that bittersweet night of tears. > > Jeannie > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmjTQqJXtgs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (njc) Garret wrote: > By Bette Midler, Jerry? > Her version of Hello In There is beautiful. Yes, especially the story that precedes it on Live At Last. Joan Baez does a good version. Jesse is another that always gets me, by Janis Ian, as well as her At Seventeen, and Stars. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:56:32 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (njc) speaking of crying songs and John Prine.... Yes!:"Hello in There" - and ALSO "Angel From Montgomery". I almost sometimes think they are the same song, sung from different angles and viewed in different light. One has a more northern feel to it. Both are about trapped people. Reminds me of the loneliness of say "Brokeback Mountain". Em - --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > From: Jerry Notaro > Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (njc) > To: "Garret" > Cc: "Jerry Notaro" , "Bob Muller" , "Paul Castle" , joni@smoe.org > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 12:59 PM > Garret wrote: > > By Bette Midler, Jerry? > > Her version of Hello In There is beautiful. > > Yes, especially the story that precedes it on Live At Last. > Joan Baez does > a good version. Jesse is another that always gets me, by > Janis Ian, as > well as her At Seventeen, and Stars. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:48:54 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Inauguration njc I think its safe to say that there are many of us not in the LGBT community who voted for Obama & are extremely disturbed by this choice. The timing of this choice couldn't be worse with the recent fallout from the prop 8 vote in CA. Kate R in SF >THANK you *so* much for this bunch of laughter.It is much needed, after this week's first painful foul up on Obama's part: his invitation to homophobe evangelical paster of the Saddleback megachurch, in L.A., Rick Warren, to give the invocation at his inauguration on January 20. It is an extremely disturbing choice for the invocation, and, I think I can say pretty conclusively that the majority of the LGBT American community is appalled.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:35:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Inauguration njc I was ultra-disturbed with this decision by Obama. I don't understand why he took such a far-route course. Truly, Jeannie - --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Kate Bennett wrote: > From: Kate Bennett > Subject: Inauguration njc > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 3:48 PM > I think its safe to say that there are many of us not in the > LGBT community > who voted for Obama & are extremely disturbed by this > choice. The timing of > this choice couldn't be worse with the recent fallout > from the prop 8 vote > in CA. Kate > > > R in SF >THANK you *so* much for this bunch of > laughter.It is much needed, > after this > week's first painful foul up on Obama's part: > his invitation to homophobe evangelical paster of the > Saddleback megachurch, > in L.A., Rick Warren, to give the invocation at his > inauguration on January > 20. It is an extremely disturbing choice for the > invocation, and, I think I > can say pretty conclusively that the majority of the LGBT > American community > is appalled.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:12:29 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Inauguration njc it makes me ill. I hope people boo Warren fiercely at the inauguration. :( I do feel rather sucker-punched. Em - --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Kate Bennett wrote: From: Kate Bennett Subject: Inauguration njc To: joni@smoe.org Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 4:48 PM I think its safe to say that there are many of us not in the LGBT community who voted for Obama & are extremely disturbed by this choice. The timing of this choice couldn't be worse with the recent fallout from the prop 8 vote in CA. Kate R in SF >THANK you *so* much for this bunch of laughter.It is much needed, after this week's first painful foul up on Obama's part: his invitation to homophobe evangelical paster of the Saddleback megachurch, in L.A., Rick Warren, to give the invocation at his inauguration on January 20. It is an extremely disturbing choice for the invocation, and, I think I can say pretty conclusively that the majority of the LGBT American community is appalled.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:10:30 -0800 (PST) From: M C Subject: Happy Solstice On Sunday, December 21, at 7:04 am EST, 12:04 UT, the Winter Soltice occurs. For those of us in the cold of the northern hemisphere, it's the shortest day and longest night of the year, and from then on the days get longer and the nights shorter. All this is opposite for the southern hemisphere, where they are starting summer. Happy Solstice, everyone, wherever you are. - - mc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:13:03 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) jerry wrote Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) > Hello In There and In My Life i cannot listen to hello in there, it chokes me up too much & i switch it off. others which really crack me up; midhelle shocked - the ballad of penny evans, (now released on the revised short sharp shocked) emmylou harris - millworker alison krauss - down to the river to pray mary gauthier - christmas in paradise rory block - mother marian, & the dvd of shadows & light i cant believe i have had this video for ages, but only watched it twice. its all i can take.... ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:54:19 -0500 From: Vince Subject: Re: Inauguration njc one can be unhappy about what one wants to be unhappy about Obama ran on reaching out and no one is commenting on civil rights legend Rev Joseph Lowery who is adamently pro gay and pro gay marriage who is giving the benediction - and my own self, the benediction is a bigger role that Warren and Obama have had a past relationship and Warren is giving the invocation for a gay rights supporting president perhaps suggests that Warren is at least open to dialog or at least an ability to get along with people that has not been reciprocated the Rev Lowery's role has been so ignored by the white straight and glbt communities makes me really wonder how invisible blacks still are other than when they are not be pilloried as Rev Wright was - seems that black clergy only get discussed when to attack them for me, on the day after the Rev Martin Luther King holiday that Rev Lowery - - on the right side of all issues - is giving the benediction at the swearing in of a black president - that to me is worthy of comment, much more important than the inclusion of someone with whom there is a difference of opinion although wouldn't one like to say that after the last 8 years it is a good thing to include people at the table who have differing opinions? Or are the only people worth inviting are the people who agree with us as opposed to agreeing with them? the Rev Vince who does think the benediction is the bigger role and the one he wuld take if he had a choice of that or invocation ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Inauguration njc Amen, Brother Vince, no one can beat you out on debate about the importance and significance of a beautiful and powerful ritual of olden, the Benediction. I hear and comprehend what you say now. Sincerely, Jeannie - --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Vince wrote: > > the Rev Vince who does think the benediction is the bigger > role and the one > he wuld take if he had a choice of that or invocation ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:27:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Inauguration njc Warren's own church does not allow gays and lesbians as members. I wonder if he would have invited a pastor who didn't allow Blacks? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:33:36 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Inauguration njc I suppose one could ask why, in a country where there supposedly is separation between Church and State, there is any kind of religious rite at a Presidential Inauguration. Mark in snowier Seattle (but got to see Travis today - he's coming along although bored and somewhat grouchy) who frankly thinks that the Mormon Church should be taxed up the you know what if they are going to be making huge contributions to political causes. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Inauguration njc > Warren's own church does not allow gays and lesbians as members. I > wonder > if he would have invited a pastor who didn't allow Blacks? > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:46:48 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Castle" > > Interested to know what does it for other jmdlers > 'Being Alive' from the musical 'Company' (especially Streisand's version on 'The Broadway Album') 'Light One Candle' and 'Blowin' in the Wind' from Peter Paul and Mary's 'A Holiday Celebration' 'Sara' by Stevie Nicks w/Fleetwood Mac 'A Total Eclipse of the Heart' by Bonnie Tyler - cheese maybe, but it has a memory associated with that just won't die Those are the main ones that come to mind at the moment. The test is to try and sing the song. If I can't get through it myself without it sticking in my throat, it's one of 'those' songs. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:16:25 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Inauguration njc Hello Kate, I've been trying to figure this one out-----why Rick Warren? When Obama gave his victory speech he mentioned he wanted EVERYONE to participate in our political process. Rednecks, gays, liberals, conservatives, etc.----By his action in selecting Warren to be part of the inauguration he's walking the talk. I don't think by any stretch of the imagination that Obama agrees with Warren's philosophy no more than he believes in Rev. Wright's ideas. But Warren's voice should be heard and not silenced just because of his beliefs. I sure hope Obama's selection was his effort to unite rather than divide. just my 2 cents or lack of sense. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: Inauguration njc >I think its safe to say that there are many of us not in the LGBT community > who voted for Obama & are extremely disturbed by this choice. The timing > of > this choice couldn't be worse with the recent fallout from the prop 8 vote > in CA. Kate > > > R in SF >THANK you *so* much for this bunch of laughter.It is much needed, > after this > week's first painful foul up on Obama's part: > his invitation to homophobe evangelical paster of the Saddleback > megachurch, > in L.A., Rick Warren, to give the invocation at his inauguration on > January > 20. It is an extremely disturbing choice for the invocation, and, I think > I > can say pretty conclusively that the majority of the LGBT American > community > is appalled.< > > !DSPAM:144,494d695a269566378916103! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:24:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Inauguration njc I agree that Warren should be brought to the table of political process - but that is very different than inviting him to be a speaker at such high profile event as the inauguration. I don't think this choice for the inauguration has anything to do with freedom of speech or as you say not silencing someone. Recently, these beliefs have been anything but silenced. This choice just puts a huge dark cloud over what could have been a true celebration. Most notably at this time when there is so much division, at least in this state, over what has happened with prop 8- I question whether this act will result in more divisiveness, rather not unity. I hope I'm wrong, I know I was sure wrong about how I thought he should have handled McCain. I know there is talk of this being overturned at the state level as well as some trying to nullify marriages that have already occurred. Can you imagine someone trying to nullify your marriage because of their beliefs? This is a huge issue. Kate >Hello Kate, I've been trying to figure this one out-----why Rick Warren? When Obama gave his victory speech he mentioned he wanted EVERYONE to participate in our political process. Rednecks, gays, liberals, conservatives, etc.----By his action in selecting Warren to be part of the inauguration he's walking the talk. I don't think by any stretch of the imagination that Obama agrees with Warren's philosophy no more than he believes in Rev. Wright's ideas. But Warren's voice should be heard and not silenced just because of his beliefs. I sure hope Obama's selection was his effort to unite rather than divide. just my 2 cents or lack of sense. Subject: Re: Inauguration njc Yeah, you're right----I just hope there's "a deeper meaning." but it does seem like a WTF moment. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: "'gene'" ; Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: RE: Inauguration njc >I agree that Warren should be brought to the table of political process - > but that is very different than inviting him to be a speaker at such high > profile event as the inauguration. I don't think this choice for the > inauguration has anything to do with freedom of speech or as you say not > silencing someone. Recently, these beliefs have been anything but > silenced. > This choice just puts a huge dark cloud over what could have been a true > celebration. Most notably at this time when there is so much division, at > least in this state, over what has happened with prop 8- I question > whether > this act will result in more divisiveness, rather not unity. I hope I'm > wrong, I know I was sure wrong about how I thought he should have handled > McCain. I know there is talk of this being overturned at the state level > as > well as some trying to nullify marriages that have already occurred. Can > you imagine someone trying to nullify your marriage because of their > beliefs? This is a huge issue. Kate > >>Hello Kate, I've been trying to figure this one out-----why Rick Warren? > When Obama gave his victory speech he mentioned he wanted EVERYONE to > participate in our political process. Rednecks, gays, liberals, > conservatives, etc.----By his action in selecting Warren to be part of the > inauguration he's walking the talk. I don't think by any stretch of the > imagination that Obama agrees with Warren's philosophy no more than he > believes in Rev. Wright's ideas. But Warren's voice should be heard and > not > silenced just because of his beliefs. I sure hope Obama's selection was > his effort to unite rather than divide. > just my 2 cents or lack of sense. > !DSPAM:144,494dc549269569128719176! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:07:32 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: songs that make me cry njc What You Already Know---Bobby Cheevers I Can't Make You Love Me---Bonnie Raitt Fields of Gold------Mary Black People Get Ready----Alicia Keys When My Morning Copmes-----Iris DeMent Just Out of Reach---Sarah Elizabeth Campbell/Nina Gerber Old Blue----Tom Russell (I've put many good old friends down) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:12:43 -0500 From: Vince Subject: Re: Inauguration njc No one has less use for Warren's theology than I do - but in the past, Warren has given Obama opportunity to speak to those who have never listened to a Democrat before - so I give him credit for that in a new york times story, I find something quite intersting: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/20/us/politics/20warren.html?ref=us Warren takes a position on gay marriage wth which I deeply disagree. But the NYTimoes noted "*But he [Warren] also said that same-sex marriage was less of a threat to the American family than divorce. Mr. Warren said that he supported partnership rights for gay people, including insurance coverage and hospital visitation rights, a position that is not widely accepted among evangelical conservatives.' * So this is not the devil being invited to give the invocation, but a religious leader who has taken steps in the right direction. Warren is not the enemy. He is a man with whom one can profoundly disagree but yet be challenged to meet him in his openness - again, he invited Obama into his church which gave a clear message that Warren had moved past the days of the religious right versus the rest of us. That Warren invited an abortions rights pro gay Democrat into his church opened doors. Let us open a door for him and let the conversation continue as Obama is sworn in as president of ALL of the people, including those with whom we disagree. Reading that NYYimes article I was struck by something else - as a native of Illinois (Land of Lincoln) I know how much Lincoln has shaped my own beliefs politically as well as those of Obama. Obama's debt to Lincoln's beliefs is deep. Anyway, Bishop Robinson, the gay Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire, is quoted in the NYTimes article as saying "And the God that he's [Warren is] praying to is not the God that I know." I disagree strongly with Robinson. Our Christian God - and here i speak as clergy - is not a god of opinions on the events of the day or on the issues of rhe times - God is the God of us all, despite our varying opinions. For Robinson to say that Warren's God is not Robinson's God is religious bigotry, a cheap applause line in certain places but it is a sin of making division against the Church. We do not define God on the basis of whether God agrees with Robinson and thus if Warren disagrees with Robinson Robinson has therefore a diifferent God. I disagree with Robinson: the God that he prays to, and Warren prays to, and that I pray to, is all the same one God. That is something of which Lincoln reminded us 160 years ago. Lincoln in his 2nd inaugural spoke of how both sides (Union and Confederate, prayed to the same God. Lincoln wondered how we saw different things in God based on our beliefs, but suggested that the prayers of both could not be answered. Lincoln said *Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. * Lincoln went on to cast his lot with those who hold slavery as wring (as Obama holds inequality for glbts wrong). Lincoln suggested the struggle goes on and oh that it may end quickly but it may not. *With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations. *As God gives us to see the right. We finish the work not by more watfare but by binding the wounds of those who have been hurt, and we do that by seeing what is common amongst us and moving past old divisions. That Trv Joe Lowery, mighty advocate for ghbt concerns, is sharing the preacher;s role with Warren - and Warren with Lowery - in support of a gay rights believing president points us to this being a new day, a new thing being done, in the spirit of Lincoln's intent to bind the wounds of a nation. Lincoln had Dixie played at the inauguration. Obama has Warren saying an invocation. To bind wounds, to move forward, to heal - it is that time. I see Obama following the Lincolb example (far better than Bishop Robinson as actually taking steps to bring conciliation. Warren as invocator of a pro-gay administration which will be bless by civil rights vertern and glbt activist Lowery, it is Warren whose presence we should welcome because he is making a statement that with Obama it is time toi move towards healing. Bush gave us 8 years of no dialog. Please I beg, I beg, celebrate Lowery's presence and as well celebrate Warren's because this is the change that we need - the change of creating situations where people can come together, find common cause, and lessen the ferver of the things that divide us. Warren has taken steps towards us Warren has opened doors for Obama. Obama has opened doors for Warren now, let us welcome the one that Obama invited, graciouly, so that conciliation can be the hallmark of the new administration., Warren should be welcomed not with boos but with the acceptance from us towards him that we want him to have for us - and then, progress will be made/ Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:41:43 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: songs that make me cry njc There is a song by Del Amitri called "Driving With The Brakes On" it's the story of a couple driving home from an abortion, it brings me to tears every time I hear it but I love the song because it's from the man's perspective and he's hurt too. Driving through the long night Trying to figure who's right and who's wrong Now the kid has gone. I sit belted up tight, She sucks on a match light, glowing bronze, steering on. And I might be more of a man if I stopped this in its tracks And said, come on, lets go home. but she's got the wheel, And I've got nothing except what I have on. Chorus: When you're driving with the brakes on When you're swimming with your boots on, Its hard to say you love someone And its hard to say you don't Trying to keep the mood right, trying to steer the conversation from The thing wave done. She shuts up the ashtray, and I say its a long way back now hon. She just yawns. and we might get lost someplace So desolate that no one where were from would ever come But she's got the wheel and I've got to deal from now on. Chorus But unless the moon falls tonight, unless continents collide, Nothings gonna make me, break from her side Chorus If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:45:31 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Songs that Make Me Cry (sjc) And I will never forget the floodgates that opened the first time I heard "Both Sides Now" from the Both Sides Now CD... I thought I'd never stop sobbing. If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:35:45 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: songs that make me cry vljc Music moves me in a way nothing else does. At various times in my life different songs have made me cry and that can be so cathartic especially when you "need a reason" to allow yourself to be moved to tears. Each of the following songs has moved me to tears at different times. Beloved Wife - Natalie Merchant Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again - from Phantom of the Opera - because I chose the music for my dad's memorial service. This was one song I know he loved and it just fit so well (He was once a friend and father...) Cold Wind - Willy Porter - it's a song sung about a friend with AIDS and moves me immensely Just Won't Burn - Susan Tedeschi - If I'm in a certain mood Sacrifice - Robbie Robertson (The story of Leonard Peltier told by Leonard) Don't Give Up - Peter Gabriel Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley's rendition Anderson's Luck - JackoPierce Get It Together - India.Arie It's a Man's World - duet with James Brown and Pavarotti Down To You - Joni Mitchell And still the list's not done... oh well, I won't bore you all with more. Warmly, Cassy NP: Ian Moore - Muddy Jesus finished playing and P.Diddy with Usher - I Need a Girl started If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #329 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------