From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #324 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 17 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 324 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fake Good News, NJC [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Fake Good News, NJC ["Jamie Zubairi Home" ] RE: advice about cats and dogs, NJC [Laura Stanley ] Re: Fake Good News, NJC ["ron" ] Re: Retro Covers for December 2008, Volume 33 ["ron" ] Re: njc, Meteorite on Mitchell land [Catherine McKay ] RE: njc, Meteorite on Mitchell land [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC - advice about cats and dogs [Jeannie ] Re: Title not in the song. ["Dan Olson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:56:16 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Fake Good News, NJC I keep on receiving emails that say i won this and that lottery (mostly UK-based) or there's unclaimed inheritance here and there and everywhere (mostly africa), etc. And to get it, they need personal information like : 1.FULL NAMEs:_________________________________ 2.ADDRESS:___________________________________ 3.SEX:_______________ 4.AGE:________ 6.OCCUPATION:________________________ 7.E-MAIL ADDRESS:_____________________________ 8.TELEPHONE NUMBER:_____________________ 9.BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF COMPANY/INDIVIDUAL_____ 10.COUNTRY____________________________________ (i copy this from the email) I'm not stupid enough to give my personal information for things i know fake/ have relations with money laundring. But if there's someone uncarefull enough and give them his/her information, what are those "fakegoodnewsmonger" gonna do with all that information? Any idea? Rian NP. Kate Bush - Army Dreamers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:09:15 +0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi Home" Subject: Re: Fake Good News, NJC From all of that info they can glean all sorts of things, Social Security numbers, banking details etc etc etc. Once they have that they can create false creditcards for you in your name and then conduct credit card fraud etc. NEVER respond to any of these emails. The best thing is to delete them entirely unopened. If they get a response then they will know that the email address used is 'live' and that there is a real person at the end of it. Avoid any email like that and delete straight away. Zooby 2008/12/16 Rian Afriadi > I keep on receiving emails that say i won this and that lottery (mostly > UK-based) or there's unclaimed inheritance here and there and everywhere > (mostly africa), etc. > > And to get it, they need personal information like : > > 1.FULL NAMEs:_________________________________ > 2.ADDRESS:___________________________________ > 3.SEX:_______________ > 4.AGE:________ > 6.OCCUPATION:________________________ > 7.E-MAIL ADDRESS:_____________________________ > 8.TELEPHONE NUMBER:_____________________ > 9.BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF COMPANY/INDIVIDUAL_____ > 10.COUNTRY____________________________________ > (i copy this from the email) > > > I'm not stupid enough to give my personal information for things i know > fake/ > have relations with money laundring. But if there's someone uncarefull > enough > and give them his/her information, what are those "fakegoodnewsmonger" > gonna > do with all that information? > > Any idea? > > > > Rian > NP. Kate Bush - Army Dreamers > - -- Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 agent: http://www.pelhamassociates.co.uk 01273 323 010 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:12:59 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: advice about cats and dogs, NJC Mark wrote: Does anybody have any advice about how to get the cats to accept the dog and/or get the dog to leave the cats alone? Will Freddie outgrow it? Hi Mark, We have a chihuahua and 4 cats that are successfully integrated, but it was hard at first. We used a large dog crate and kept the new animal in it or the animal that wasn't getting along depending on who needed to be in it. We kept it in our living room where we were, always with somebody so they wouldn't resent us but wouldn't be able to fight. When we were gone, we kept the animals segregated for their own safety. Now we don't need to do any of this. It took months for them to integrate, and it has been over a year now, and they all get along most of the time. They know each other and are all mature animals now. As for the peeing, I'd suggest you get another litter box in addition to the one you have now and definitely don't let them get to the dog's bed. Don't just clean the dog's bedding... replace it. There should be no cat urine smell on it. Regarding the bathtub... you are lucky it is the tub and not somewhere else. The tub will be easy to solve if you are patient and willing. Clean it with PetZyme to get rid of the urine odor most cleaners won't remove. Then put a litter box in the bath tub for a few days. Then move it out to the bathroom floor and fill the tub with a few inches of water. Move the litter box to the hall outside the bathroom, and then down the hall in front of the door of the room you want to keep it, and finally into the room you want the cat to use. Do this over a period of weeks keeping water in the tub. Cats are like toddlers. You have to be creative with them and relate to them very individualistically. Your dog will mature and settle down, but it will take maybe a whole year. So, it is just what you are willing to put up with really. If you tolerate them fighting, they will always fight most likely. I think it is cool that you have so many animals. We have another dog, a lab mix, that stays outside with two goats. She really likes the goats now, but at first we had to integrate them slowly. Animals are communal and will bond to some capacity with whoever is there given time. Our latest integrated animal is a miniature parrot. She's very spunky and not afraid of the cats. We first had her in a cage hung from the ceiling but now after about a year have her in a very sturdy cage on wheels with not enough room between the cage bars for the cats to reach her. She will peck at the cat's paws when they hang on the cage. They are each other's entertainment but only with the cage between them. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:17:08 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Animal cohabitation peace movement, njc http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=imddHL8gc0c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:30:19 -0500 From: "Phyliss Ward" Subject: Joni in Literature - NEW!? Hi All, I'm de-lurking to share what is probably a new "Joni in literature" I discovered last night. I'm reading Wally Lamb's new book, "The Hour I First Believed". The main character is in to music, as I am sure the author is as well. All Three of his books are titled after song lyrics. Anyway, after an.ahem.private moment with himself the paragraph reads. "I cleared my throat, tucked myself back inside my boxers. What was that old Joni Mitchell lyric? "After the rush, when you come back down." Upstairs, the toilet flushed. Selfish prick, I thought. Absent Boy." Phyliss, back to lurkdom for now but hope to have some pics available from my recent trip to Matala soon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:15:22 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Fake Good News, NJC hi the details are not used at all - just to make it look a little bit more convincing. once you respond they tell you that you have to make an up front deposit for the taxes payable on your winnings. i know someone who fell for it & paid 5,000 dollars ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rian Afriadi" To: "jonipeople" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Fake Good News, NJC >I keep on receiving emails that say i won this and that lottery (mostly > UK-based) or there's unclaimed inheritance here and there and everywhere > (mostly africa), etc. > > And to get it, they need personal information like : > > 1.FULL NAMEs:_________________________________ > 2.ADDRESS:___________________________________ > 3.SEX:_______________ > 4.AGE:________ > 6.OCCUPATION:________________________ > 7.E-MAIL ADDRESS:_____________________________ > 8.TELEPHONE NUMBER:_____________________ > 9.BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF COMPANY/INDIVIDUAL_____ > 10.COUNTRY____________________________________ > (i copy this from the email) > > > I'm not stupid enough to give my personal information for things i know > fake/ > have relations with money laundring. But if there's someone uncarefull > enough > and give them his/her information, what are those "fakegoodnewsmonger" > gonna > do with all that information? > > Any idea? > > > > Rian > NP. Kate Bush - Army Dreamers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:17:18 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Retro Covers for December 2008, Volume 33 once again - many thanks for this bob & fwiw i prefer robert peel's promise of pot in every chicken :-) ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "JMDL" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:38 AM Subject: Retro Covers for December 2008, Volume 33 > Howdy folks, > > If your holiday stress-o-meter is pushing into the red zone, maybe you > need to chill with some oldie but goodie Joni covers. > > So here they are - it's Volume 33, first issued when Herbert Hoover > promised "2 chickens in every pot and etc": ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:12:38 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Retro Covers for December 2008, Volume 33 Thanks Ron, upon further review of the tracklist, there IS some pretty cool stuff there. And lots of rarities as well. I like your pot/chicken idea better as well. Bob NP: Joni, "See You Sometime" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Gentle relations? xo, pp NPIMH: Space Buggy by Asleep at the Wheel ("me and my buggy we beat that meteorite....") "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:47:01 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, Meteorite on Mitchell land - --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Patti Parlette wrote: > "As you probably know by now, a 10-ton meteor struck > near the > Alberta-Saskatchewan border on 20 November. Since then, > researchers > from the University of Calgary have found a dozen bits of > it on land owned by > 52-year-old cattle rancher, Ian Mitchell. Yabbut, yabbut... Joni's family name is Anderson, y'know. Or maybe Chuck has relatives that live there. > Imbedded in that article is a link to another article that > talks about a 10 > tonne rock or something. "Tonne"...I thought > that was a Mags-made word! ; ) > Nope. A tonne is a metric ton (1000 kg, or approx 2200 lbs.) __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:17:21 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: njc, Meteorite on Mitchell land Catherine gently corrected: > > > Yabbut, yabbut... Joni's family name is Anderson, y'know. Or maybe Chuck has relatives that live there. > Ach du Lieber! Was fur ein Dummkopf! Of *course* I know that. I had a brain it was insane with just too much static in these days. Sheesh. Regrets, Coyotes! With heart and humor and humility, pp, experiencing Mitchellian mortification _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:18:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Retro Covers for December 2008, Volume 33 That sounds like a good recipe I'd like to make for a picnic or a peaceful gathering at home or even a cozy Joni-Fest. Jeannie :) - --- On Tue, 12/16/08, ron wrote: > From: ron > Subject: Re: Retro Covers for December 2008, Volume 33 > To: "Bob Muller" , "JMDL" > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:17 AM > once again - many thanks for this bob > > & fwiw i prefer robert peel's promise of pot in > every chicken :-) > > > ron > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" > > To: "JMDL" > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:38 AM > Subject: Retro Covers for December 2008, Volume 33 > > > > Howdy folks, > > > > If your holiday stress-o-meter is pushing into the red > zone, maybe you need to chill with some oldie but goodie > Joni covers. > > > > So here they are - it's Volume 33, first issued > when Herbert Hoover promised "2 chickens in every pot > and etc": ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:30:05 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Fake Good News, NJC Jamie wrote: > From all of that info they can glean all sorts of things, Social Security > numbers, banking details etc etc etc. Once they have that they can create > false creditcards for you in your name and then conduct credit card fraud > etc. NEVER respond to any of these emails. The best thing is to > delete them > entirely unopened. If they get a response then they will know > that the email > address used is 'live' and that there is a real person at the end of it. > Avoid any email like that and delete straight away. There are ways to scam the scammers. This site http://419eater.com has a lot of examples. Here is one: http://419eater.com/html/joyce_ozioma.htm They wrote back to the scammers, and after lots of emails back and forth, finally got them to hand-write an entire Harry Potter book (page perfect) for a payment of $100 per page, with a bonus of $4000 if they complete the whole thing. This was achieved through a bogus "hand-writing analysis" project. Of course no payment was made, but the scammers were definitely kept busy for a while! Hell - in a cold, wet, windy NZ (summer? yeah, right!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:45:16 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: njc, Meteorite on Mitchell land - --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Patti Parlette wrote: > Catherine gently corrected: > > > > > > Yabbut, yabbut... Joni's family name is Anderson, > y'know. Or maybe Chuck has > relatives that live there. > > > > Ach du Lieber! Was fur ein Dummkopf! Of *course* I know > that. I had a brain > it was insane with just too much static in these days. > Sheesh. > > Regrets, Coyotes! > > With heart and humor and humility, > > pp, experiencing Mitchellian mortification You aren't the first to have done that, nor will you be the last, so be gentle on yourself. It's kind of ironic that Joni wasn't married to Chuck very long and yet it is HIS name that she has carried throughout most of her life. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:12:41 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: njc, Meteorite on Mitchell land Catherine spread mercy (and thankfully no "carrion", a word that now, for me, conjures up Sarah Palin gutting moose!): > You aren't the first to have done that, nor will you be the last, so be gentle on yourself. It's kind of ironic that Joni wasn't married to Chuck very long and yet it is HIS name that she has carried throughout most of her life. > Yeah, it is ironic. Then again: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet." Chuck chuck bo buck, banana fana fo #$&%! (No disrespect intended toward Chuck whatsoever, truly...just being another silly girl again when-Joni love makes a fool of me.) xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:19:35 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Joni reference in Into The Wild I recently saw the movie Into The Wild (and will soon read the book!). In it, there was a Joni reference. This has probably been mentioned and I'm sure it is already on the site listed as such. However, I watched this very compelling film based on a true story of a young man who goes off "into the wild," without money, identification, breaking off all ties with the world in pursuit of something more I guess you could say. However, he does meet up with different people along the way, including a pair of hippies and their friends. At one point, they are all watching a show with the pair of hippies' friends including a young female performer (or maybe she was related to them, I'm not sure). Later on, the one hippie man told the main character to go and introduce himself to her saying something along the lines of, "why don't you go introduce yourself to our Joni Mitchell?" - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:56:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: NJC - advice about cats and dogs Mark, It seems Freddie is in need of a gentle spirited pal to hang out and learn with. Maybe an older, well-trained, rescue animal that can show Freddie the ropes and can romp around the house or in his room or the backyard in. He needs to have that physical outlet somehow for you to better be able to train him in obedience and your cats are set in their ways, so he's got most of the work to do. Introducing the cats to Freddie with ease as you instinctively let your cats feel that they are being protected by you as you caress thier faces to Freddie's where he can smell them and maybe taste them, seems that it should work. Just hold the cats paws gently but firmly with total ease. Is there room in your house, Mark, for another little canine pal? Truly, Jeannie PS: I could go on and on but Laura's posts pretty muched summed up how animals can be made to be friendly and respectful of one another. But let us know how it goes and if you need any more tips. I'd be obliged. - --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Mark Scott wrote: > From: Mark Scott > Subject: NJC - advice about cats and dogs > To: "joni" > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:25 PM > Sorry for the bandwidth, but if anybody can offer any help > with this situation, I would be very grateful. > > We got a cocker spaniel puppy this summer, hoping to > integrate him into our household of 2 humans and 3 adult > cats. The hope was that a small puppy would not be a threat > to the cats and that they would gradually accept him. > > Well, so far that hasn't happened. Freddie (the now 7 > month old cocker puppy) is interested in the cats and wants > to play with them. The oldest cat (Oscar) is a male and he > pretty much can either bat at Freddie or jump up somewhere > that Freddie can't reach. > > The other 2 cats are female tortoise shells who are litter > mates. One (Silviah) is completely bonded with the older > male cat. She has been pooping in the bathtub of late. We > have the litterbox in a confined space with a barrier across > the space that has an opening that allows the cats in but is > not big enough for the dog to get in. But we think Silviah > may be afraid the dog will attack her or trap her in the > space where the litter box is. > > Recently Travis saw the other female (Mickie) peeing in > Freddie's crate and discovered that at least one or all > of the cats had been using Freddie's bed as their > urinal. Mickie is the low one in the pecking order among > the cats. The other two gang up on her. Oscar in > particular will attack Mickie. Oddly enough, Mickie seems > to be the least afraid of Freddie, even though Freddie likes > to pretend she's a female dog when he gets the chance to > get at her, if you get my drift. The door to Freddie's > crate is now being kept closed at all times. > > In the past couple of days we've been confining Freddie > to the room where the slider is that leads out to the fenced > yard and is also the room where our computers are. The cats > feel less threatened but Freddie, naturally, wants to be > with us when we aren't in this room. Although Travis is > retired, a computer fanatic and spends most of his time > during the day in this room, there are still times (like > dinner) when neither one of us is in here. > > Does anybody have any advice about how to get the cats to > accept the dog and/or get the dog to leave the cats alone? > Will Freddie outgrow it? Our last dog chased the cats from > day one. She was a bigger, more aggressive adult dog and > pinned Silviah down on the floor one day. We were afraid > she might hurt or kill one of them so we took her back to > the animal shelter we adopted her from. Luckily, she is > with another family now that has the same vet that we use. > I could not possibly part with Freddie. But keeping him > confined in one room when he's in the house is not a > good solution, imo. > > Thanks for reading. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:55:14 -0500 From: Stephen_Epstein@hugoboss.com Subject: Re: Joni reference in Into The Wild This was a GREAT film- must say I do not remember the Joni mention, tho do recall the scene. Don't think the singer was related to the couple in the mobile home. It truly resonated with me and tho I rarely do this, thought this is one I might purchase and watch again and again. I will! Funny story about the "hippie", who is played by Brian Dierker- not an actor. I am in the clothing business, and when this film was premiering @ the Toronto Film Festival in September 2007, we dressed Sean Penn and some of the cast for the gala and subsequent press outings. Brian, the hippie, was one of them. Went to his hotel room, met his wife, and heard his story. Never acted before, he has a couple of companies, one of which is a river boat which is rigged for filming along the Colorado river, and he was hired to film some scenes in the movie. Sean Penn kept asking him to act in the movie, Brian kept saying no, I'm not an actor, just an aging hippie. Penn said that's exactly what I want you to be. Brian refused at least three times. After many attempts, I guess Penn finally convinced him! He was one of the most genuine people I have met- salt of the earth without pretensions. Looks exactly the same in person as in the movie, long hair in a pony tail, very tall, wonderful energy, and really is an aging hippie!! It was great fun for me to meet him. thanks for the memories! best Stephen in Toronto NP: Billy Paul "Lately" I recently saw the movie Into The Wild (and will soon read the book!). In it, there was a Joni reference. This has probably been mentioned and I'm sure it is already on the site listed as such. However, I watched this very compelling film based on a true story of a young man who goes off "into the wild," without money, identification, breaking off all ties with the world in pursuit of something more I guess you could say. However, he does meet up with different people along the way, including a pair of hippies and their friends. At one point, they are all watching a show with the pair of hippies' friends including a young female performer (or maybe she was related to them, I'm not sure). Later on, the one hippie man told the main character to go and introduce himself to her saying something along the lines of, "why don't you go introduce yourself to our Joni Mitchell?" - -Monika This e-mail (and/or attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. Use or disclosure of it by anyone other than a designated addressee is unauthorized. If you are not an intended recipient, please delete this e-mail from the computer on which you received it. We thank you for notifying us immediately. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:04:19 -0600 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Fwd: Title not in the song. How about "For the Roses"? On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM, wrote: > Well, the easiest Joni song to think of where the title isn't in the song > is Hejira. > > Try working that one into a lyric...! > > j. > > > On other fronts... > > I have been toying with Joni's songwriting method where she floats a melody > over the finished music. For example, the wordless Two Grey Rooms and > Passion Play. I recall playing these songs for a few friends and they > commented (in a perjorative way) that it was 'almost' like scat singing. As > if she'd come up short, either melodically? Or because her vocals were > language like. Sort of like 'air guitar' italian or something. > > I was fascinated by this skill because I had no clue how one could pull it > off. Is anyone on the list up to taking the challenge to put a melody to > some of Joni's instrumental passages? How about the bridge in Paprika > Plains? Or melody (not to mention lyrics) to the Shine instrumental? I > recall the story with 2 Grey Rooms went as follows: Joni was bummed out > during a recording session with the 'boys' and asked Henry if she could go > in and put a melody over the polished music. I assume the demo we have is > that recording? And if it is, did she compose that in one take? -Talk about > creative genius if that's how it went down. > > Anyway, I've been toying with floating a melody over an instrumental. It > began while listening to Herbie's A Case of You. I was trying to sing the > song to the music and having a bitter time of it. I had Joni in my head. > -But something of a breakthrough happened when I decided to forget the > melody as Joni wrote it and simply get into the voicing of the instruments. > Somewhere in there I found a voicing and I found I could, in a rudimentary > way, float a melodic line over the song. For a few minutes I felt I was > channelling Diana Krall. :-) > > What I came away with is a greater sense of admiration and respect for > Joni's muse. > > And that even the smallest of us can play the creative game. So long as > everyone's out of the house and beyond ear shot. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:38:46 -0600 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: Title not in the song. How about "For the Roses"? On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dan Olson wrote: > How about "For the Roses"? > > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM, wrote: > >> Well, the easiest Joni song to think of where the title isn't in the song >> is Hejira. >> >> Try working that one into a lyric...! >> >> j. >> >> >> On other fronts... >> >> I have been toying with Joni's songwriting method where she floats a >> melody over the finished music. For example, the wordless Two Grey Rooms and >> Passion Play. I recall playing these songs for a few friends and they >> commented (in a perjorative way) that it was 'almost' like scat singing. As >> if she'd come up short, either melodically? Or because her vocals were >> language like. Sort of like 'air guitar' italian or something. >> >> I was fascinated by this skill because I had no clue how one could pull it >> off. Is anyone on the list up to taking the challenge to put a melody to >> some of Joni's instrumental passages? How about the bridge in Paprika >> Plains? Or melody (not to mention lyrics) to the Shine instrumental? I >> recall the story with 2 Grey Rooms went as follows: Joni was bummed out >> during a recording session with the 'boys' and asked Henry if she could go >> in and put a melody over the polished music. I assume the demo we have is >> that recording? And if it is, did she compose that in one take? -Talk about >> creative genius if that's how it went down. >> >> Anyway, I've been toying with floating a melody over an instrumental. It >> began while listening to Herbie's A Case of You. I was trying to sing the >> song to the music and having a bitter time of it. I had Joni in my head. >> -But something of a breakthrough happened when I decided to forget the >> melody as Joni wrote it and simply get into the voicing of the instruments. >> Somewhere in there I found a voicing and I found I could, in a rudimentary >> way, float a melodic line over the song. For a few minutes I felt I was >> channelling Diana Krall. :-) >> >> What I came away with is a greater sense of admiration and respect for >> Joni's muse. >> >> And that even the smallest of us can play the creative game. So long as >> everyone's out of the house and beyond ear shot. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #324 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------