From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #304 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 27 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 304 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Famous Joans [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: NJC now Donovan was Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s ["Kate Bennett" ] The Last Time I saw Richard [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman [Catherine McKay ] Re: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Magdalene Sisters, njc [Garret ] Re: Famous Joans (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Singer songwriter plus genre NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Singer songwriter plus genre NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Last Time I saw Richard [Lieve Reckers ] Re: NJC now names [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Last Time I saw Richard ["Randy Remote" ] Bob Murphy, Today in Joni smoking history [Michael ] Re: Joni and Barry [Bobsart48@aol.com] Portuguese - njc ["Les Irvin" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #245 [StDoherty@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:40:54 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Famous Joans Joan Armatrading. Joan Jett Mark in Sydney NP Joanni - Kate Bush On 26/11/2008, at 7:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > One of my personal favorites - Joan Rivers, > > Joan Collins > > Joan Crawford > > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:43:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC now Donovan was Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s Jerry, I loved, & still do, Donovan. Windy City & Catch the Wind were the ones I loved to play. Cool to see your NP listing re Brett. I haven't heard him yet but he's somewhat local & a friend of mine is managing him. Nice to see him getting his name out there. Kate >Yes, it was THE Donovan at Ruth Eckerd Hall in Clearwater, Florida. I was always a big fan. I played dulcimer in a folk group in the 70's and used to do Atlantis (long song!). He wasn't the headliner here but I would go see him solo anytime. Jerry NP: Brett Dennen - Because You Are a Woman This guy is really good.< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:53:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman Laurent, Ethel Merman was aB Broadway singer who came to rise in the 30s and 40s, and had a long career well into the 60s.B She is known by most people as "the woman with the loud voice",B almost a comical character,B but in fact she was Gershwin's favourite interpreter of his songs, which is saying quite a lot. At one of the early Jonifests, Smurf did a fantastic parody of her, and in the following year or two, a lot of funny messages were posted here about her.B So when I attended my first fest, I donated copies of an Ethel Merman CD (not by her but a show about her, very good and informative) to contribute to the prize draw, but I got the impression that the people who won them were not really aware of what this all had to do with Joni or the JMDL, so it was a bit of a misfired gesture.B Anyway, if you would like me to send you a copy, contact me privately with your address. All the best, Lieve in London. - -------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:41:09 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Smurf, njc I never met Smurf but the few posts i've seen from him made me realize he was a comic genius and a great human being. Surely whatever happens he won't be forgotten as he obviously has affected the lives of all those who've met him. I have also seen mentioned over the years the name Ethel Merman, would someone care to explain what this is all about please ? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:52:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: The Last Time I saw Richard When I'm not listening to music at home, I normally have BBC Radio 4 on, quietly informing and entertaining me, or just mumbling in the background.B Anyway, twice now I just heard the tail end of a trailer for a radio play called "The Last Time I Saw Richard".B Intrigued, I looked it up on the BBC Radio website, and found the following information: B BBC Radio 4, Friday 28 November 9pm: The Last Time I Saw Richard Drama documentary about the life and death of the Sri Lankan journalist and TV newsreader Richard de Zoysa, who was abducted and killed in February 1990. Set in the preceding years, when the Sri Lankan government was undertaking a bloody crackdown of the ultra-Marxist JVP organisation with which de Zoysa was suspected to be allied, this drama is based on interviews with those who knew and worked with him. Directed by Willi Richards. B So this isB not a programme about Joni, but clearly named by someone who's very familiar with Joni's work.B I wondered for a minute if maybe the phrase came from Shakespeare or so, and was thenB used by both Joni and the programme maker independently, but all my googling only took me back to Joni's song. B If anybody wants to listen to the programme, you can go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ and then "listen live", or afterwards, for about a week,B "listen again".B I wonder if they'll be playing the song in the background of this documentary.B In any case, I will give it a listen, it seems interesting enough. Lieve in London. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:51:13 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman You asked for it! This may not be the best example of typical Ethel, but it's all I've got. This is from Ethel Merman's disco (!!!) album, from 1979 I think. The song itself is clearly identified with Ethel - it's the one I always think of when I think of her. And I'd say Smurf absolutely nails it. I'm giggling right now just THINKING about and not actually listening to his version of "Blue." At Northeast Jonifests, there would often be an entire chorus of Ethel voices. The thing is, once you start singing like that, it's almost impossible to stop (in fact, even now, I feel like I'm going to burst either into song, or into laughter): Link to file: https://rcpt.yousendit.com/628835849/16ccd63199da200c20e666df52c06c5a - --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Laurent, Ethel Merman was aB Broadway singer who came to > rise in the 30s and > 40s, and had a long career well into the 60s.B She is > known by most people as > "the woman with the loud voice",B almost a > comical character,B but in fact she > was Gershwin's favourite interpreter of his songs, > which is saying quite a > lot. > At one of the early Jonifests, Smurf did a fantastic parody > of her, and > in the following year or two, a lot of funny messages were > posted here about > her.B __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:25:50 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Carly Simon & Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s (NJC) Mark in Sydney, Your comment reminded me of how much I like that song and haven't heard it in years! I looked it up on youtube. The poster has many, many Carly songs. I've been stuck on his video of Carly's WATERFALL. I listen to that every time I turn on my computer for months now. Never explored his posts to find Come Up Stairs. Pleasantly surprized when his video came up for the song. Turn this one up on your speakers! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ui3GdUUVzY&NR=1 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:42:33 -0500 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Famous Joans? - now njc Joan Jett Joan Cussack Joan Osborne Cheers, David > From: "Cassy" > Subject: Famous Joans? > > One of my personal favorites - Joan Rivers, > > Joan Collins > > Joan Crawford > > Cassy > > NP: My dryer > > > If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Em" > To: "Lucy Hone" ; > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:32 PM > Subject: RE: Rank. Singer songwriter plus genre NJC > > > >>Joan Miro! >>:P >> >>--- On Tue, 11/25/08, do9eatdo9@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>Anyway, i'm thinking about a name. Joan. There are so many great people >>who >>have name Joan, aren't there? >>Joan (Joni) Mitchell >>Joan Baez >>Joan Didion >>Joan d'Arc >>Joan Armatrading. >>I'm sure the list doesn't stop there. >> >> >>Rian >>NP. Kay Ashley - The Wind Is Gonna Blow You Down (i urge you all to check >>this >>on her myspace) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman Thanks for the blast, Catherine. I sent Bob a copy once the cd came out. Around then he posted this brilliant message, attesting to his comic genius: The letter from Ethel Murfman: A Letter to My Many, Many, Many, Many Fans: Date: Wed, 4 Sept. 2002 Hello Fans and Friends, First of all, I want to thank all of you for your continued support of me and my music. I have enjoyed the past few days and am very excited about what is in my future. It will be swell, it will be great. In fact, I will have the whole friggin' world on a plate. However, there is a situation that has been brought to my attention that needs to be addressed, starting here, starting now. At the present time, within my fan base there is a significant group of colored people who happen to be blue -- Smurfs, if you will. Please know that I appreciate my fan base no matter who or what they are - I, in no way, shape, or form am complaining about these blue mutants. However, as an artist, I am continually wanting to expand that fan base - to mothers and fathers, to college students, to teenagers, to the incontinent, to people who happen to be jaundiced, to pinkish Irish-Americans and to people who are all the many wonderful other colors of the rainbow, etc. I honestly believe my music has the appeal to be able to do that. It is not only important to me personally, but it is imperative for my future ~ record executives are looking for artists with an established and significant following - they don't do very many "developmental" deals these days. Plus drag acts generally are death to deals of any kind. However, I have had several complaints from bar owners, racists, homophobes, friends, the KKK, fans, sexists, Republicans, the closeted, neighbors trying to sleep and yelling "not so loud," three waitresses, Canadian hockey players, and potential fans regarding the disgusting show of Smurf-like affection that has taken place at my shows. This type of behavior, right or wrong, reflects on me as the artist who has brought you sorry blue bastards to that club. Let me give you some examples: 1) I have several friends who will not ask their families, friends, Catholic priests, Yani fans, nancy boys, shelias, coworkers, rubyfruit lovers, or non-blue people in general to my shows because of this behavior and the potential negative reflection that may be projected upon them as fans of mine. 2) A gentleman from a show made a comment in the men's bathroom, "What's going on here tonight? Isn't that Ethel Merman peeing at a urinal?" As an artist, I want to be known for my MUSIC. It is VERY IMPORTANT to me to NOT be stereotyped, bitch-slapped, pigeonholed, keelhauled, cornholed, fingered, or categorized in a way that will alienate anyone from listening or coming to see my shows. I do not want to become a Bob Muller or a Jackson Browne (although I tolerate them both and could respect them as artists if I had lots of mind-altering drugs) - most people don't think about their music first.....they think of all the restraining orders Joni Mitchell has against these two - whether right or wrong, that's the way it is. Whether I am straight or gay, blue or a little green, it is no one's business in the first place and I, personally, even though I am a lady gym teacher, am not open to making that anyone's business. It should be about the music...period. Ernest Borgnine be damned. I cannot control the behavior of anyone, however, I am respectfully asking all of you as fans and friends to please be respectful of what I am trying to accomplish as an artist. DON'T TOUCH EACH OTHER AT ALL WHEN YOU COME TO SEE ME! Please be respectful of the places where I am performing by being aware of the actions that can possibly turn potential fans away from my music or from my future shows. NO MUFF DIVING, NO BOBBING FOR BANANAS, NO SMURF-LIKE LOVE AT ALL! Also, please try to control your farting while I'm on stage. I want EVERYONE to feel comfortable coming to my shows - and from what I've been told, people are not comfortable because of the big, blue, rockin' and rollin' Smurf pile of love they have to deal with when they get there. If this means you cannot continue to support me or come to my future shows, then I will understand and respect that decision, you perverted blue bastards. I appreciate your support up until this time. But for now, bye-bye. Don't let the door hit your big, blue asses on your way out. I sincerely hope you will understand the purpose of this letter and will respect my request. Thanks for your continued support ~ --Ethel Murfman Catherine McKay wrote: > You asked for it! This may not be the best example of typical Ethel, but > it's all I've got. This is from Ethel Merman's disco (!!!) album, from > 1979 I think. The song itself is clearly identified with Ethel - it's the > one I always think of when I think of her. And I'd say Smurf absolutely > nails it. I'm giggling right now just THINKING about and not actually > listening to his version of "Blue." > > At Northeast Jonifests, there would often be an entire chorus of Ethel > voices. The thing is, once you start singing like that, it's almost > impossible to stop (in fact, even now, I feel like I'm going to burst > either into song, or into laughter): > Link to file: > https://rcpt.yousendit.com/628835849/16ccd63199da200c20e666df52c06c5a > > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Lieve Reckers wrote: > >> Laurent, Ethel Merman was aB Broadway singer who came to >> rise in the 30s and >> 40s, and had a long career well into the 60s.B She is >> known by most people as >> "the woman with the loud voice",B almost a >> comical character,B but in fact she >> was Gershwin's favourite interpreter of his songs, >> which is saying quite a >> lot. >> At one of the early Jonifests, Smurf did a fantastic parody >> of her, and >> in the following year or two, a lot of funny messages were >> posted here about >> her.B > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the > boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to > New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:14:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman Catherine, you cruel woman!B I listened to it, and iTunes had the genre classified as "camp"!B I think that's a first in my music library! Lieve - very fond of her camp friends, but not a disco fan. ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: jonipeople LIST ; Lieve Reckers Cc: olszer@xlsecurity.com Sent: Wednesday, 26 November, 2008 12:51:13 Subject: Re: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman You asked for it! This may not be the best example of typical Ethel, but it's all I've got. This is from Ethel Merman's disco (!!!) album, from 1979 I think. The song itself is clearly identified with Ethel - it's the one I always think of when I think of her. And I'd say Smurf absolutely nails it. I'm giggling right now just THINKING about and not actually listening to his version of "Blue." At Northeast Jonifests, there would often be an entire chorus of Ethel voices. The thing is, once you start singing like that, it's almost impossible to stop (in fact, even now, I feel like I'm going to burst either into song, or into laughter): Link to file: https://rcpt.yousendit.com/628835849/16ccd63199da200c20e666df52c06c5a - --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Laurent, Ethel Merman was aB Broadway singer who came to > rise in the 30s and > 40s, and had a long career well into the 60s.BB She is > known by most people as > "the woman with the loud voice",B almost a > comical character,B but in fact she > was Gershwin's favourite interpreter of his songs, > which is saying quite a > lot. > At one of the early Jonifests, Smurf did a fantastic parody > of her, and > in the following year or two, a lot of funny messages were > posted here about > her.BB B B B __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail.B Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:28:36 -0500 From: jclarknyc@netscape.net Subject: Early 70's singer-songwriter LP's What about John Prine's debut LP-- isn't that supposed to be one of the classics of the genre? Illegal Smile, Hello in There, Sam Stone, Angel from Montgomery and many more. I find his down to earth folks and songs an interesting contrast/balance to Joni's more rarified visions. I understand Dylan was an immediate fan. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:48:53 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman OMG, Jerry! Thanks for the HUGE laughs! I'm trying to laugh very quietly in my dreaded government cubicle and it's coming out in the wheezy sort of way. You have brightened up a very gloomy day! - --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > Thanks for the blast, Catherine. I sent Bob a copy once the > cd came out. > Around then he posted this brilliant message, attesting to > his comic > genius: > > The letter from Ethel Murfman: > > A Letter to My Many, Many, Many, Many Fans: __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:52:59 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: NJC London Jonifest, just a small one...? Anyone Lieve wrote: oooops sorry JMDL, I was trying not to overdo it, but I have! Hi Lieve, I love hearing about minifests. When I read what you wrote I thought... is there any way I can travel to London in January? Work makes it very unlikely, but dreaming is something I love to do. Please, keep the posts on the JMDL coming. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:11:04 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Magdalene Sisters, njc Has anybody seen this movie? http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi4206952729/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:49:54 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Magdalene Sisters, njc Hiya Laura, I can't watch the clip due to my location, but i have seen this movie a couple of times. this link brings you to the info page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318411/ it was discussed on this list when it was released. clearly it is the same topic that inspried magadalene laundries the song. i think it would be worth your while seeing this film if you have not seen it. it is a painful experience, but puts a difficult chapter in our (recent) history out there for all to see. while i am of somewhat mixed views about the portrayal in the movie, it was like this, and worse, for many. some scenes have stayed with me ("you're not a man of god, you're not a man of god....") GARRET On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Has anybody seen this movie? > > http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi4206952729/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:58:05 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Famous Joans (NJC) Joan Osborne. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:02:53 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Singer songwriter plus genre NJC Lucy wrote b +There is a film - cannot remember which one - but it's a documentary about Bob D -b * I guess that would be Pennebaker's 'Don't Look Back'. Em wrote b +Joan Miro! > :Pb * I add b&and his sister, Joanna Danceb& mike in barcelona, where Joan is a male name (the Catalan version of Juan) and I have dozens of students of that name. np Oscar Peterson b Goodbye J.D. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:25:40 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Magdalene Sisters, njc Ah, so it was a clip. Weird. I got that same message, Garret, about not being able to see it. I have seen the film, though, and it's well worth watching. Painful, yes. The stories of the young women in the film are very close to the ones Joni tells in her song, although there is no Joni music to be heard. - --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Garret wrote: > I can't watch the clip due to my location, but i have > seen this movie a > couple of times. this link brings you to the info page: > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318411/ > > it was discussed on this list when it was released. > clearly it is the same > topic that inspried magadalene laundries the song. > > i think it would be worth your while seeing this film if > you have not seen > it. it is a painful experience, but puts a difficult > chapter in our (recent) > history out there for all to see. while i am of somewhat > mixed views about > the portrayal in the movie, it was like this, and worse, > for many. some > scenes have stayed with me ("you're not a man of > god, you're not a man of > god....") > GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:31:30 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Singer songwriter plus genre NJC - --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Mike Pritchard wrote: > Em wrote > > b +Joan Miro! > > :Pb * > > I add > > b&and his sister, Joanna Danceb& > > mike in barcelona, where Joan is a male name (the Catalan > version of Juan) I wonder about people who name their kids what is basically the same name. Joan and Joanna. And then there's John and JOAN Cusack. Or people with kids name Michelle and Michael. Imagination is somewhat lacking (sez the person whose kids' names are so common that they went through a major part of their lives with their last-name initial after, in order to differentiate them from the several others in their class by the same names and, for a time, believe that initial was part of their name.) __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:33:04 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Smurf, njc - and Ethel Merman - --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Lieve Reckers wrote: >> Catherine, you cruel woman!B > I listened to it, and iTunes had the genre > classified as "camp"!B I think that's a > first in my music library! > Lieve - > very fond of her camp friends, but not a disco fan. I apologize for my cruelty. Just a little bit though. What a bizarre combination, but the disco era was always a bit bizarre, in any case. Lots o' laughs! __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:51:00 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Singer songwriter plus genre NJC now names Especially where twins are concerned...Timmy & Tommy or Tammy and dressed alike. My sister had twins and named them Dan & Jennifer and NEVER dressed them alike in baby clothes and such. My Dad's name is Bob but I'm not a Junior as we have different middle names - it played havoc when I was living at home, folks calling and asking for *Bob*, for a while it was "Little Bob" and "Big Bob", then "Young Bob" and "Old Bob", I was Bobby when I was little but don't care for it now. Love my parents but I don't give them much credit for creativity in the naming department. Bob NP: Van Halen, "Beautiful Girls" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Love, Russ Mischief Managed _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:02:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: The Last Time I saw Richard Thanks Randy, that's a good find.B Joni may well have got the idea from that song, but the BBC must have been inspired by Joni, because I cannot imagine that they would both (BBC and Joni) come up with the name Richard in complete coincidence. Lieve. ________________________________ From: Randy Remote To: Lieve Reckers ; jonipeople LIST Sent: Wednesday, 26 November, 2008 20:42:04 Subject: Re: The Last Time I saw Richard From: "Lieve Reckers" > Anyway, twice now I just heard the tail end of a trailer for a radio play > called "The Last Time I Saw Richard".> BBC Radio 4, Friday 28 > November 9pm: The Last Time I Saw Richard > I wondered for a minute if > maybe the phrase came from Shakespeare or so She (or BBC) may have gotten the idea from the song "The Last Time I Saw Paris". It was the theme for the 1954 Elizabeth Taylor movie of the same name, sung by Dinah Shore, and has been covered by Sinatra, Garland, Julie Andrews, etc,,,Written by Hammerstein and Kern, it won an oscar when it appeared in the 1941 film "Lady Be Good", sung by Ann Southern. That clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BmOKL6UQ-I&feature=related So it seems pretty likely that Joni would have heard the song, or at least the title. I don't see much lyrical or musical similarity, but theme-wise, "Richard" is about a darkened spirit, while "Paris" is about a darkened city (following German occupation during WWII). RR ps, Keeping with the Joan theme, here's Ms. Joan Collins doing it (incomplete, from the '86 TV miniseries Monte Carlo) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg6LTi0li7s ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC now names - --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Especially where twins are concerned...Timmy & Tommy or > Tammy and dressed > alike. My sister had twins and named them Dan & > Jennifer and NEVER dressed > them alike in baby clothes and such. > > My Dad's name is Bob but I'm not a Junior as we > have different middle > names - it played havoc when I was living at home, folks > calling and > asking for *Bob*, for a while it was "Little Bob" > and "Big Bob", then > "Young Bob" and "Old Bob", I was Bobby > when I was little but don't care > for it now. Love my parents but I don't give them much > credit for > creativity in the naming department. > My parents weren't very creative in the name department either. All of us FIVE kids have very common, boring names: Michael Joseph Mary Margaret Catherine Elizabeth Patricia Anne Susan Noreen. Noreen, my youngest sister's middle name is a bit different, but it's my mother's name, so that makes it not so different after all. My father was also a Michael, so my brother sometimes got the "junior" treatment. If someone would call and ask for Michael or Mike, we'd always have to ask, "Senior or junior?" My sister's youngest kid is named after his Dad. Their names are/their name is(?) Rafael (bro-in-law is Mexican.) So, they refer to the son as "Junior." Not "Rafael Junior" or even "Rafaelito" but simply "Junior," as in Junior Walker. Sigh. what a handle to be stuck with! He's 17 now, so imagine him at 70 or so, still being known as "Junior." And then there's the people who name all of their kids (these people always have LOTS of kids) with names that all start with the same letter of the alphabet, or that all rhyme, or that start at A and keep going (like hurricanes.) I'm not a twin, but my mother always bought my sister Anne and me (Anne is two years younger than me) exactly the same clothes, but often in different colours, and exactly the same presents at Christmas and birthdays (our birthdays are only five days apart.) I didn't care for that, even though I understand now, having kids of my own, the motivation behind it! __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:42:04 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The Last Time I saw Richard From: "Lieve Reckers" > Anyway, twice now I just heard the tail end of a trailer for a radio play > called "The Last Time I Saw Richard".> BBC Radio 4, Friday 28 > November 9pm: The Last Time I Saw Richard >I wondered for a minute if > maybe the phrase came from Shakespeare or so She (or BBC) may have gotten the idea from the song "The Last Time I Saw Paris". It was the theme for the 1954 Elizabeth Taylor movie of the same name, sung by Dinah Shore, and has been covered by Sinatra, Garland, Julie Andrews, etc,,,Written by Hammerstein and Kern, it won an oscar when it appeared in the 1941 film "Lady Be Good", sung by Ann Southern. That clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BmOKL6UQ-I&feature=related So it seems pretty likely that Joni would have heard the song, or at least the title. I don't see much lyrical or musical similarity, but theme-wise, "Richard" is about a darkened spirit, while "Paris" is about a darkened city (following German occupation during WWII). RR ps, Keeping with the Joan theme, here's Ms. Joan Collins doing it (incomplete, from the '86 TV miniseries Monte Carlo) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg6LTi0li7s ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:24:16 +0000 From: Michael Subject: Bob Murphy, Today in Joni smoking history Well then, to mark the 6th anniversary of this inspired, inspiring and totally irreverent post from Bob Murphy to the Jonilist (that's why we love him, eh); Back by popular acclaim I give you: Today in Joni Smoking History: November 27 Murphycopy Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:35:28 -0800 1952: Nine-year-old Roberta Joan Anderson buys her first pack of Pell Mell cigarettes and notices that the smoke looks like angel hair 1962: Becomes first Canadian woman ever unanimously voted Miss Winston/Salem 1967: Confused and unable to afford cigarettes, Joni accidentally marries Chuck Mitchell 1979: Presents Georgia O'Keefe with two cartons of Virginia Slims Menthol and a lovely cow skull ashtray 1983: Meets Lakota chief, extends thanks to all Native Americans for tobacco 1992: Accidentally puts out three cigarettes on greedy Guatemalan maid 1998: Tough California smoking ban takes effect, Joni blames record companies and all younger performers 2000: Booed off stage during finale of the Stop Smoking Now or Die/2000 benefit concert Ya gotta love him. You'll find a nice photo of Bob from the 2007 Jonifest here: http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/nejf2007/Angela/125+Smurphotog rapher.jpg.html And Laurent, Bob Murphy has channeled Ethel at a few Jonifests; catch the original Ethel here http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7VzlCk1NoE Be well, Bob Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:53:07 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Famous Joans Joan of Arc, Joan Lunden, Joan Fontaine, Joan Miro, Pope Joan, ....Joan Roberta Anderson, plus two more authors: Joan Anderson, Joan Wester Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:24:18 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Barry Jerry reported "A great injustice has been perpetrated in Joni-land. I just watched a story on CNN where a judge punished a young rock group for playing too loud late at night by making them listen to Barry Manilow and (gasp) Joni Mitchell. The two songs? I Can't Smile Without You and Chelsea Morning." Bob M replied "I saw that Joni-story in newsville this morning, Jerry. And I was outraged! I mean, why didn't they use "Dancin' Clown"?" I am trying to get a sense of the sentence and the reaction. True, the reaction by the perps may not have been akin to Brer Rabbit's to the briar patch. However, I suspect that this was some liberal judge trying to rehabilitate the criminals rather than punish them. I realize that for some of us inflicting Barry M does not compute in that vein, but that view is surely not universal. I suspect the judge admires both Barry and Joni. I also suspect the convicts would like Dancin Clown (it's got a beat, and you can dance to it), especially with the Billy Idol spot. So that choice would neither rehabilitate nor punish. Eh ? :-) Bobsart Happy Thanksgiving To All **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:42:37 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Portuguese - njc Does anyone on the list know Portuguese quite well? Please email me off list if so. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:03:48 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #245 In a message dated 11/26/2008 3:05:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s In some sort of order Mitchell, Cohen, Morrison Dylan, Nyro Taylor, Browne, Simon (P),Young (N & JC), Armatrading King, Smokey Robinson Simon (C), Stevens, Chapin Croce,,America, Chy Coldrane (kidding ... I'm kidding) **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. 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