From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #301 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 24 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 301 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SV: Rank. Singer songwriter plus genre ["Marion Leffler" ] RE: All Religions, njc ["Anita Tedder" ] Sudoko instructions NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s, njc [Rian Afriadi ] RE: All Religions, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Little David [Catherine McKay ] Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s [Laura Stanley ] NJC Neversink [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s NJC [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Odetta and Smurf- NJC [Jeannie ] Re: njc, Shine on the Catholic Church shining on John Lennon [Catherine M] Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s ["Corey Blake" ] Re: Little David [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: njc, Shine on the Catholic Church shining on John Lennon [Patti Parle] NJC Smurf does Ethel doing Blue [Bob Muller ] Re: Play, Little David, Play [Bob Muller ] Re: Little David ["Corey Blake" ] Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:43:06 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Rank. Singer songwriter plus genre Oops - you're right,Rian, Joan Baez is a singer, not a songwriter, I forgot. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Skickat: den 23 november 2008 22:42 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter plus genre Em wrote : I would add "Honky Chateau" in there. Also, "There Goes Rhymin' Simon". Michael then added: I didn't pick Lennon because I never really thought of him as a "singer songwriter", but as Monika picked George Marion also added: Joan Baez >>> But i thought Elton John is not a real singer songwriter. His songs are written by Bernie Taupin. Elton then adds the music. Correct me if i'm wrong. Same with Joan Baez, she didn't wrote the song, did she? As of Lennon, yes, just like Michael, I never consider Lennon as a "singer songwriter". I don't know why even though Lennon really wrote the music and lyric and sang it himself. Plastic Ono Band (1970) is a powerful album. Very raw. Very honest. And sometimes it scares me. But what make a singer songwriter a "singer songwriter" anyway? 1. The singer sings his/her own composition 2. The lyrics must have "confession" value 3. The music is simple, i mean, a guitar and a piano with a little drum is enough. 4. Not experimental. 5. Released in late 60s to late 70s 6. The roots : pop/folk/rock. Pure Jazz and R&B and pure country aren't included. Well, correct me please. What appear in my mind when it comes singer songwriter are artists like Joni, James, Carole, Dylan. Rian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:21:18 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s 1. Joni Mitchell - Blue 2. Carole King - Tapestry 3. Carly Simon - No Secrets 4. James Taylor - Mud Slide Slim and Blue Horizon 5. Neil Young - Harvest 6. Van Morisson - Moondance 7. Your pick Actually, just the way you had them, Rian. Too many to choose from for number 7. Possibly Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John or The Kick Inside by Kate Bush, Dark Side of The Moon by Pink Floyd (is it supposed to be a single sing/songwriter?) or Aja by Steely Dan or Bookends by Simon and Garfunkel or Tea For The Tillerman by Cat Stevens. Mark in Sydney NP The Arrangement - Jenny Goodspeed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:29:29 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Little David Wow, Corey, you are a wealth of knowledge. I thought Mia's post was a revelation but this is even closer. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:38:41 -0000 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: RE: All Religions, njc Laura wrote: "The feeling of fight is a gift and can be used accordingly. Thanks for thinking with me." I really love the idea of the feeling of fight being used accordingly. It's a brilliant thought so no thanks necessary for you sharing that thinking with me! That thought seems quite a gift too - if you get my drift. It feels like a reminder, so maybe it does come from a deeper place. It does seem an idea I am very familiar with and maybe I might challenge your social worker friend by really changing! Praying instead of snarling sounds a good thing. But it is a big thing to ask when it feels like a matter of survival, doesn't it? No wonder Gandhi and Martin Luther King were such extraordinary people. I really hope your optimism about Obama bears fruit and that he, unlike them, survives. Thanks again, Laura, With love Anita _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1071 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:07:19 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Sudoko instructions NJC Hello jonilistas, Maybe you could help me with a little research project (it will take you about 5 minutes)? Could you look at the Sudoku instructions in a national/local newspaper from your country (or if you have access to newspapers in other/many languages, so much the better). I'd like to have as much information as possible. What do you need to do? Find the Sudoku page in the newspaper, look at the instructions for completing the puzzle and count the number of *characters*, *including spaces between words*, there are. For example the UK Guardian has 97 characters including spaces. It would be wonderful if you could send me the name of the newspaper, its language and the number of characters. I do not need the instructions themselves but if you want to take the time and trouble to include them, I'd be grateful. Thanks in advance, and please send any information *offlist* to mikeprit@gmail.com Cheers mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:16:47 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s, njc Mark (from AUS) wrote :Actually, just the way you had them, Rian. Too many to choose from for number 7. Possibly Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John or The Kick Inside by Kate Bush, Dark Side of The Moon by Pink Floyd (is it supposed to be a single sing/songwriter?) or Aja by Steely Dan or Bookends by Simon and Garfunkel or Tea For The Tillerman by Cat Stevens. >>> Well, Kate Bush's The Kick Inside is not from early 70's. I love her "The Man With Child In His Eyes". Anyway, talking about Kate Bush, her music is difficult to digest isn't it? Bookends by Simon and Garfunkel... Aaaaaaaa.... I love that song. The structure is purrrfect, specially the complex instrumental part on the end of the song. RianNP. Chinese Cafe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s, njc Mark (from AUS) wrote :Actually, just the way you had them, Rian. Too many to choose from for number 7. Possibly Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John or The Kick Inside by Kate Bush, Dark Side of The Moon by Pink Floyd (is it supposed to be a single sing/songwriter?) or Aja by Steely Dan or Bookends by Simon and Garfunkel or Tea For The Tillerman by Cat Stevens. >>> Well, Kate Bush's The Kick Inside is not from early 70's. I love her "The Man With Child In His Eyes". Anyway, talking about Kate Bush, her music is difficult to digest isn't it? Bookends by Simon and Garfunkel... Aaaaaaaa.... I love that song. The structure is purrrfect, specially the complex instrumental part on the end of the song. RianNP. Chinese Cafe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:18:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s What a fun question, Rian! But I don't think I'll bother to rank them, because I almost like all of them just as much. Bob Muller, I can't believe you never did anything more than LOOK at Carly Simon's No Secrets!B I thought it was actually a very good album, never equalled by anything else she ever did afterwards.B Songs like "The Carter Family" and "Waited So Long" resonated very deeply with me, even more at that time than Joni's songs, probably because they were much easier to understand.B (So no, I don't think they were better, but they were veryB incredibly direct and honest,B and musically pretty good.) I also love Harry Nilsson, but am not sure he fits in with Rian's description of being "confessional".B But I guess that's a dangerous line to draw.B For instance, what about Randy Newman?B I'd happily add the following to the list (some already listed by others): Roberta Flack: First Take Janis Ian: Between The Lines Bob Dylan: Blood On The Tracks Paul Simon: There Goes Rhymin' Simon Simon & Garfunkel: Bridge Over Troubled Water Leonard Cohen: Songs of Leonard Cohen Nick Drake: Five Leaves Left/Bryter Layter/Pink Moon Cat Stevens and Donovan belong there too, but maybe on a slightly lower rank. Anyway, I'm sure I'll remember more that I shouldn't have forgotten, as soon as I press "send"! Lieve in London PS My youngest son Laurence (21), who's very much intoB all sorts ofB music including rap and trance/house, recently discovered James Taylor somewhere on the internet, and absolutely LOVES him!B So I introduced him to Carole King's Tapestry and he was hooked too!B He's now asked to borrow some Joni Mitchell CDs, I'm waiting with great interest whether he's going to get it, and I think he will!B His older brother Thomas (23) has already started enjoying Joni's music several years ago. PPS Sorry for all the "B"s that will most likely turn up in this message again.B I guess it must be the fault of Yahoo, but it's really annoying and only seems to happen on this list.B If anyone knows how I can avoid it, do let me know! Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:54:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s Here's my ranking, Rian: 1. My pick - Harry Nilsson - Nilsson Schmilsson from 1971 2. Neil Young - Harvest 3. Joni Mitchell - Blue 4. James Taylor - Mud Slide Slim and Blue Horizon 5. Carole King - Tapestry 6. Van Morisson - Moondance 7. Carly Simon - No Secrets (have never heard it, though I did look at the cover a lot) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:40:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s Lieve Reckers wrote: what about Randy Newman? Yeah. A Randy Newman mention on the list! I highly recommend Harps and Angels for all. and Donovan belong there too I saw Donovan and Cheap Trick do a Sgt. Pepper's and other Beatles' songs concert on Friday. It was wild, fun, and for some reason I thought of you all, especially Pazman, enjoying it with me. Jerry NP: Shawn Colvin - In the Bleak Mid-Winter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:05:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: another smurf gem Wow! thanks for the video clip and the recording of Bob/Ethel. See, you just have to laugh "cause it's all so crazy." And as funny as Ethel is, how about Bob's Jackie Mason does Joni. I swear I just about peed my pants the first time I heard Bob do Jackie as Joni at Chuck E.'s house. Genius! Pure genius! lots of love, Anne p.s. where's Wally K? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:58:40 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: All Religions, njc Anita wrote: No wonder Gandhi and Martin Luther King were such extraordinary people. I really hope your optimism about Obama bears fruit and that he, unlike them, survives. Hi Anita, The history you mention here is something I hope we use. There are others to add to it, like John Lennon, Abraham Lincoln, and JFK. I was glad to see the protective glass panels around Obama at his victory speech. My children and I pray for Obama's safety everyday on our way to school. Love, Laura PS. Barack, The Rock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:11:04 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Little David Here's a version by Kathleen Battle and Jessye Norman from "Spirituals in concert" (combined with "Over my head." https://rcpt.yousendit.com/628014253/ed63d8ba00dd215c1f939250871b585f - --- On Sun, 11/23/08, mia _ wrote: > From: mia _ > Subject: Little David > To: joni@smoe.org > Received: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:48 PM > Here is a cute video of "Little David, Play on Your > Harp" performed by some > really cute kids. > > The song definitely has a similar feel to Joni's Little > David song: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhQKipn89dE > > Mia > > (wow, my links are actually working again in my email > account - 'tis the > season of miracles!) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to > suspicious email. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 > 12008 __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:33:14 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s Rian asked: How would you rank these great singersongwriter albums from early 70's (from the very best to the least best) (least best? ah, you know what i mean) 1. Joni Mitchell - Blue 2. Carole King - Tapestry 3. Carly Simon - No Secrets 4. James Taylor - Mud Slide Slim and Blue Horizon 5. Neil Young - Harvest 6. Van Morisson - Moondance 7. Your pick Hi Rian, In the early 70's, I wasn't listening to any of these albums... just the radio here in the South. I didn't own any albums of my own. In the later 70's, the albums I had and was listening to were: 1. Bob Dylan, Greatest Hits Vol. Number 2 2. Bob Dylan, Desire 3. Joni Mitchell, Clouds 4. Joni Mitchell, Court and Spark 5. Joni Mitchell, Ladies of the Canyon 6. Fleetwood Mac, Rumors 7. Led Zeppelin, Stairway to Heaven 8. ELO, ELO 9. Aerosmith, Aerosmith 10. Aerosmith, Toys in the Attic I don't care for the music of James Taylor and Carly Simon. They are like cheap wine to me. I prefer the bourbon of Carole King, Neil Young, and Van Morisson but didn't get into them until later. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:42:52 -0500 From: Russell Bowden Subject: early 70's top 5? Do you mean at that time or in retrospect? at the time... Cat Stevens..Teaser and the Firecat Gordon Lightfoot..Don Quixote Simon and Garfunkel..Bridge Over Troubled Water Carole King..Tapestry..oh, yeah Jethro Tull..Aqualong in retrospect Joni Mitchell..Court and Spark Bob Dyaln..Blood on the Tracks Jethro Tull..Living in the Past Yes..Close to the Edge Cat Stevens..Tea for the Tillerman Love, Russ Happy Thanksgiving to All. 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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:54:28 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC Neversink Yesteday I raved about country?punk? whatever singer-songwriter Jim Neversink, and sent a link to where you can hear snippets of the songs. Thanks to Bob for listening, I just had to share it with someone because I had just discovered it. Three of the songs can be streamed here in their full length, one is from an older CD: http://www.reverbnation.com/jimneversink#tab=artist_fans I really think it is awsome music, its reckless and imaginative and humorous and gloomy... and,... I don't know, with a wild appetite and deeply sad at the same time... or is it just me, I wonder...?! The snippets are here: http://www.24.com/entertainment/play.aspx?s=mus&c=4&i=1053642 Bene NP well what do you think.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:59:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s NJC Hi Jerry! Just to come back to the same 2 names again that you pickedB out (which probably makes it NJC now!) I saw Randy Newman live just about 2 years ago here in London, and he was very good.B Unfortunately I don't have any of his albums because when I thought I had them, they turned out to belong to the boyfriend I was living with at the time, and so they are back with him now... And about Donovan: I always liked his mellow sound.B But then a year or so ago, I saw this film, aB thriller the name of which escapes me now (something like Scorpio but not that one) and Donovan's Hurdy Gurdy Man was played each time the killer turned up.B My goodness, that was anB inspired music choice!B I had never realised how scary that music can sound.B A bit like they sometimes use clowns or dolls in thrillers.B Not that I like the genre, would never choose to go and see a film just to be scared, but this film really made me enjoy Donovan again in a very different light... All the best, Lieve. ________________________________ From: Jerry Notaro To: Lieve Reckers Cc: jonipeople LIST Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2008 12:40:14 Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s Lieve Reckers wrote: what about Randy Newman? Yeah. A Randy Newman mention on the list! I highly recommend Harps and Angels for all. and Donovan belong there too I saw Donovan and Cheap Trick do a Sgt. Pepper's and other Beatles' songs concert on Friday. It was wild, fun, and for some reason I thought of you all, especially Pazman, enjoying it with me. Jerry NP: Shawn Colvin - In the Bleak Mid-Winter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:37:56 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC Obama is irish Hey all, I copy Garret in on this although Im sure he has seen it. A video celebrating Obama as an original irishman. I think it's hilarious, so if you love O'Bama and love the Irish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xkw8ip43Vk&feature=email Best Bene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:39:49 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: To all those that know Bob "Smurf" Murphy - NJC Hello All, My heart is breaking. I want to banter & play with Smurf like we used to - but I also want to cry like a baby and stomp my feet. But for now here's an everlasting memory ... Smurf and I shared in our Ethel/Joni mutual addiction, and as any attendee knows - it is a regular occurrence at the Northeast Jonifests. We shared it that first Full Moon Jonifest outback at the Lez Cottage Hoe Down, it was one of those nights when everything and everybody was in sync! It was truly one of the best times I ever shared with so many wonderful human beings. I can still see that very moment when Smurf flashed his Ethel Merman Blue faux CD case before my eyes. - And I can still see the joy and mischief in his face. Then there was also his pursuit ;-) ... of my Golden Eggs ... LOL! My Song for Smurf today would be "See You Sometime." Take care all of you ... Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:02:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: To all those that know Bob "Smurf" Murphy - NJC Susan, those "golden egg" banters are some of the funniest things I've ever read here. Just a mention of "Baby Sully" would make me laugh so hard my stomach would ache. Bob NP: The Replacements, "Skyway" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Thanks for the memories (I almost typed merman-ries.) __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:09:56 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Shine on the Catholic Church shining on John Lennon For what it's worth, the Catholic Church has forgiven John Lennon and revoked its deep complaint: http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE4AL2E220081123 Imagine! This would please my Dad. He didn't like me loving the Beatles, although he did come around later in life. I still have a voicemail from him, that I treasure: "Poocho! I want to hold your hand! Happy birthday, honey." "Papa knows somehow he set me free....papa he blesses me..." "And we all shine on...." xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:15:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Odetta and Smurf- NJC There has been no news since what I forwarded, which I take as good news. Jerry Jeannie wrote: > > I have not had the opportunity to read the list for a couple of weeks now > and now I find out that Smurf is ill, as is Odetta. > > I don't know Smurf but I am now sending all my loving prayers out to him > and through Ashara, shall write him few words as soon as I get quiet time > to myself in a while. > > Also, Jerry, can you give us an update on Odetta and do you think I can > still write her a greeting get-well card from me to her in her hospital > room. > > Truly, > Jeannie > > NPIMH: Jackson Browne's, 'Here Come Those Tears Again...' > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> Subject: Odetta - NJC >> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 6:54 AM >> Odetta Hospitalized >> Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 11:21AM >> Odetta, singer/songwriter known as "The Voice of the >> Civil Rights >> Movement," is seriously ill and in a New York hospital >> with kidney >> failure, according to a statement from her manager. >> Odetta apparently went to the Lenox HIll Hospital over the >> weekend >> for a simple IV treatment but had kidney failure Nov. 9 and >> is listed >> in critical condition. An active supporter of >> President-elect Barack >> Obama, Odetta is determined to sing at his inauguration in >> January, >> according to manager Doug Yeager. The full statement >> follows: >> Dear Friends of Odetta, >> On behalf of Odetta's adopted daughter Michelle Esrick >> and her niece >> Jan Ford (in California), I would like to share with you - >> Odetta's >> large extended family of brothers and sisters - the current >> health >> crisis in her life. On Saturday, she went into Lenox Hill >> Hospital >> for a check-up and IV nourishment. However, on Sunday >> evening she >> went into kidney failure, and we were told that the next 24 >> hours >> would determine if she would survive. >> Miraculously, she made it through that emergency, but is >> still >> listed in critical condition. I was on the road when she >> went in the >> hospital and rushed back on Sunday. Jan and I are thankful >> that >> Michelle was here and has been by Odetta's side every >> moment of this >> ordeal. >> Odetta believes she is going to sing at Obama's >> Inauguration, and I >> believe that is the reason she is still alive. She has a >> big poster >> of Barack Obama taped on the wall across from her bed. Her >> old heart >> has already outperformed and lasted far beyond the >> expectations of >> the heart specialists who treated her in January-March 2007 >> when she >> had her last health crisis while touring out West. Now >> compounded >> with the kidney failure, the doctors at the hospital are >> trying to do >> everything possible to stabilize her system and prevent the >> weakening >> of her other organs. They have her on dialysis now to rid >> the body of >> the toxic poisons that have built up, and it seems to be >> slowly >> working. She is sleeping a lot, but after a dialysis >> treatment and >> some food, she is coherent and talking. She is not in pain. >> We are >> told that she will be in the ICU Unit for at least another >> week, and >> that we'll just have to wait and see after that. >> All of you are well aware of Odetta's indomitable >> spirit. >> Accordingly, I wouldn't bet against her singing for >> Barack in January! >> If you would like to send a card, I know that she would >> love to hear >> from you (address of the hospital is below). >> >> Ms. Odetta Gordon >> Room # 719, 7th Floor ICU Unit >> LENOX HILL HOSPITAL >> 100 East 77th Street >> New York, NY 10021 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:09:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Odetta and Smurf- NJC I have not had the opportunity to read the list for a couple of weeks now and now I find out that Smurf is ill, as is Odetta. I don't know Smurf but I am now sending all my loving prayers out to him and through Ashara, shall write him few words as soon as I get quiet time to myself in a while. Also, Jerry, can you give us an update on Odetta and do you think I can still write her a greeting get-well card from me to her in her hospital room. Truly, Jeannie NPIMH: Jackson Browne's, 'Here Come Those Tears Again...' - --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > Subject: Odetta - NJC > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 6:54 AM > Odetta Hospitalized > Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 11:21AM > Odetta, singer/songwriter known as "The Voice of the > Civil Rights > Movement," is seriously ill and in a New York hospital > with kidney > failure, according to a statement from her manager. > Odetta apparently went to the Lenox HIll Hospital over the > weekend > for a simple IV treatment but had kidney failure Nov. 9 and > is listed > in critical condition. An active supporter of > President-elect Barack > Obama, Odetta is determined to sing at his inauguration in > January, > according to manager Doug Yeager. The full statement > follows: > Dear Friends of Odetta, > On behalf of Odetta's adopted daughter Michelle Esrick > and her niece > Jan Ford (in California), I would like to share with you - > Odetta's > large extended family of brothers and sisters - the current > health > crisis in her life. On Saturday, she went into Lenox Hill > Hospital > for a check-up and IV nourishment. However, on Sunday > evening she > went into kidney failure, and we were told that the next 24 > hours > would determine if she would survive. > Miraculously, she made it through that emergency, but is > still > listed in critical condition. I was on the road when she > went in the > hospital and rushed back on Sunday. Jan and I are thankful > that > Michelle was here and has been by Odetta's side every > moment of this > ordeal. > Odetta believes she is going to sing at Obama's > Inauguration, and I > believe that is the reason she is still alive. She has a > big poster > of Barack Obama taped on the wall across from her bed. Her > old heart > has already outperformed and lasted far beyond the > expectations of > the heart specialists who treated her in January-March 2007 > when she > had her last health crisis while touring out West. Now > compounded > with the kidney failure, the doctors at the hospital are > trying to do > everything possible to stabilize her system and prevent the > weakening > of her other organs. They have her on dialysis now to rid > the body of > the toxic poisons that have built up, and it seems to be > slowly > working. She is sleeping a lot, but after a dialysis > treatment and > some food, she is coherent and talking. She is not in pain. > We are > told that she will be in the ICU Unit for at least another > week, and > that we'll just have to wait and see after that. > All of you are well aware of Odetta's indomitable > spirit. > Accordingly, I wouldn't bet against her singing for > Barack in January! > If you would like to send a card, I know that she would > love to hear > from you (address of the hospital is below). > > Ms. Odetta Gordon > Room # 719, 7th Floor ICU Unit > LENOX HILL HOSPITAL > 100 East 77th Street > New York, NY 10021 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, Shine on the Catholic Church shining on John Lennon Silly, silly, silly. I think John was right though. I think the Beatles really were more popular than JC. What's to forgive? But I suppose a person would have been burned at the stake in another era. I have a birthday card from my Dad that was mailed after he died. He had written the card in advance, because he and my stepmother were supposed to be going to Portugal in a few days, but then my Dad suddenly died a few days before they were to leave. My stepmother mailed it to me in time for my birthday. I will CHERISH it always. - --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Patti Parlette wrote: > For what it's worth, the Catholic Church has forgiven > John Lennon and revoked > its deep complaint: > > http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE4AL2E220081123 > > Imagine! This would please my Dad. He didn't like me > loving the Beatles, > although he did come around later in life. I still have a > voicemail from him, > that I treasure: > > "Poocho! I want to hold your hand! Happy birthday, > honey." > > "Papa knows somehow he set me free....papa he blesses > me..." > > "And we all shine on...." > > xo, > > pp > > "If everyone demanded peace instead of another > television set, then there'd be > peace." > -- John Lennon > > http://www.imaginepeace.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:40:04 -0800 From: "Corey Blake" Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s Of these? 1. Carole King - Tapestry 2. Joni Mitchell - Blue 3. James Taylor - Mud Slide Slim and the Blue Horizon (Interesting you should pick this one. It's probably my favorite album of his despite the overdone "You've Got A Friend". But I always thought Sweet Baby James was sort of his acknowledged milestone album.) 4. Neil Young - Harvest 5. Carly Simon - No Secrets 6. Jackson Browne - Late for the Sky 7. Van Morrison - Moondance (The only reason it's last is because I don't have it yet. I'm sure it would place higher.) Of course I feel like Jackson's album should be higher. And certainly other worthy additions others have made like Cat Stevens, Bob Dylan, John Lennon and George Harrison are excellent choices and feel criminal to leave off. I love lists but I have a hard time making them myself. Corey On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:37 AM, wrote: > How would you rank these great singersongwriter albums from early 70's > (from the very best to the least best) (least best? ah, you know what i > mean) > > 1. Joni Mitchell - Blue > 2. Carole King - Tapestry > 3. Carly Simon - No Secrets > 4. James Taylor - Mud Slide Slim and Blue Horizon > 5. Neil Young - Harvest > 6. Van Morisson - Moondance > 7. Your pick > > Rian > NP. Neil Young - After The Gold Rush > - -- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Newest video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrlQ9gU-9HU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:49:50 -0800 From: "Corey Blake" Subject: Re: Little David Thank you Mark! Although I noticed the lyrics I copies and pasted from one of those generic lyric sites has minor errors here and there, but it's right for the most part. I never knew about the old "Little David, Play on Your Harp" song, so that's quite a revelation for me, too. James must've heard Joni play her "Little David" song or heard the old traditional. Interesting stuff. Corey On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Wow, Corey, you are a wealth of knowledge. I thought Mia's post was a > revelation but this is even closer. > > Mark in Sydney > - -- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Newest video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrlQ9gU-9HU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:18:24 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Little David There was another discussion going before regarding a James/Joni cross over. The Gift of The Magi. Mark. On 25/11/2008, at 8:49 AM, Corey Blake wrote: > Thank you Mark! > > Although I noticed the lyrics I copies and pasted from one of those > generic lyric sites has minor errors here and there, but it's right > for the most part. I never knew about the old "Little David, Play > on Your Harp" song, so that's quite a revelation for me, too. James > must've heard Joni play her "Little David" song or heard the old > traditional. Interesting stuff. > > Corey > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne leon@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Wow, Corey, you are a wealth of knowledge. I thought Mia's post was > a revelation but this is even closer. > > Mark in Sydney > > > > -- > http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me > > Newest video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrlQ9gU-9HU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:11:16 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: njc, Shine on the Catholic Church shining on John Lennon Cherished Catherine wrote: > > I have a birthday card from my Dad that was mailed after he died. He had written the card in advance, because he and my stepmother were supposed to be going to Portugal in a few days, but then my Dad suddenly died a few days before they were to leave. My stepmother mailed it to me in time for my birthday. I will CHERISH it always. > Awww. I'm sure you will. Thank goodness he wrote it out in advance! But what a horrible shock for you! My dad died just after the Joni Tribute at Carnegie Hall. Just before setting off I talked to him and he said "Have fun at that singer's thing." I said: "Joni Mitchell, Dad. Joni Mitchell." When my brother called a week later and told me the news, I remember just staring and staring at the toaster oven. Even though we knew it might come, it's still a shock (but of course, not as shocking as your case). Then I went in to my room and sobbed and sobbed and made sounds like I'd never made before. And then, after a bit, who did I write to about it? You guessed it. Smurf. I poured out my sorry and he sweetly offered to notify the list. He sifted through all my rambling and found the pearl (like the one Joni talks about in the WOHAM video, you know, about the sand and the grit and then the pearl?) and wrote the most beautiful post. Thank you, Bobby! One more little Dad story. He was in a nursing/rehab center in Sandy, UT (Hi BB! Your birthplace!). He had a roommate named Larry. My Dad had only been there about three weeks, but he and Larry had been hitting it off, watching Husky games on TV together and stuff. Thankfully, Larry relayed my Dad's last words to my brother. He said my Dad woke up around 4:15 a.m. on 2/11/06 and whispered: "Larry, you up?" Larry said yes. My Dad said: "I just had a dream that you and I went to Patti's birthday party in Connecticut." He died forty minutes later. Those were his last words. He was dreaming of me just before he died! We were together in spirit. It also gives me comfort to know that he couldn't have been suffering TOO much if he was able to talk. When I went out for the funeral, afterward I stopped by to meet and greet Larry, to thank him for passing on the story. I knocked on the door. He had his back to the door and I noticed he was pissing a tequila Anaconda into a bottle! OMG. What timing! He whipped around, and barked out: "Who is it?" I said, timidly: "My name is Patti Parlette. I'm Dick's daughter." He snarled: "I don't know you." (Think Furry!) He finished the task at hand (LOL!) and I went in and started talking. He softened pretty quickly, and we shared a conversation about sports and his life and my Dad and stuff. I gave him a Husky magnet. After an hour, I told him I had to leave, and he followed me all the way to the main door in his wheelchair. He said: "I'm glad you came." "Me, too, Larry", I said and waved goodbye. My Dad would be glad that I brought him some conversation and comfort, I know. And now I have to pack my suspenders to go to Mom and Dad's house for Thanksgiving. They won't be there. This is the first w/out my Mom, so it won't be easy. I have to be the "glue" for my brothers and nephews, because the seasons, they go round and right, right? We can't return, we can only look behind from where we came, and be grateful for the loving parents we had. Muller, give Pops a hug from PP, okay? He's a sweetie. And let him play some of HIS music! ; ) For all of you missing a seat at your Banquet this year, I raise a cup of kindness and toast to our fathers and mothers, who art in heaven. McKay, Parlette & Rizzo (Richards, both) and all the other friends and kin we may be missing. Love, Patti P., daughter of Richard and Audrey JOAN P.S. I wonder how Joni's Dad is holding up. Here's a toast to him, too. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Smurf does Ethel doing Blue I couldn't tell you, Kenny - there was a HOST of people involved in the making of the CD and the artwork and it took a LOOOOONG time from what I understand. Someone else who knows the story will have to step up and tell it. Bob NP: Genesis, "Robbery, Assault & Battery" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:20:25 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Play, Little David, Play I've got a handful of bootlegs with her singing it, Mia - and I don't recall her ever mentioning that connection - and as you know, I am pretty obsessed with those early songs too. I remember getting the Second Fret tapes and looking at the tracklists and thinking to myself "Oh my god, you mean there's MORE?" Bob NP: The Rolling Stones, "Love In Vain" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:25:36 -0800 From: "Corey Blake" Subject: Re: Little David Oh really? Drat, I completely missed that. Are there accessible archives of this list kept anywhere? Corey On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > There was another discussion going before regarding a James/Joni cross > over. The Gift of The Magi. > Mark. > > On 25/11/2008, at 8:49 AM, Corey Blake wrote: > > Thank you Mark! > > Although I noticed the lyrics I copies and pasted from one of those generic > lyric sites has minor errors here and there, but it's right for the most > part. I never knew about the old "Little David, Play on Your Harp" song, so > that's quite a revelation for me, too. James must've heard Joni play her > "Little David" song or heard the old traditional. Interesting stuff. > > Corey > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >> Wow, Corey, you are a wealth of knowledge. I thought Mia's post was a >> revelation but this is even closer. >> >> Mark in Sydney >> > > > > -- > http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me > > Newest video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrlQ9gU-9HU > > > > - -- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Newest video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrlQ9gU-9HU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:32:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s Well, believe it. Her voice never really appealed to me, and the two hits on the album (and "You're So Vain" specifically) were SO OVERPLAYED on the radio there was no way I was going to get it. I was intrigued when she came out with "Another Passenger" because it featured The Doobie Brothers and Little Feat (two of my favorite bands at the time) and was produced by Ted Templeman, their producer at the time. It was a solid record - I even upgraded to CD when it came out. I also bought Playing Possum and Come Upstairs, which I thought sucked, and I have "My Romance" as it was gifted to me but I don't care for that one either. Well, I replied to his original post before he added that caveat, which I (and Joni) thought was silly anyway - she bristles at being called a confessional songwriter. I thought my choice of Nilsson's LP (which I had to replace because I wore out the grooves) was nothing short of brilliant. At least I knew not to refer to Jethro Tull, Steely Dan, and Pink Floyd as singer songwriters - ha! Bob NP: Amy Correia, "Life Is Beautiful" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:59:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s - NJC Hey Bob, let's do a deal: I listen to Another Passenger and youB listen to No Secrets.B We may both get a pleasant surprise, and then we can happily agree thatB all herB other albums suck!B Mind you, maybe you won't fall for it, because you don't like her voice which IB like a lot.B It's so strong and positive, like liquid gold, to me. (I agree of course on loving the Doobies, Dan,B Tull and FloydB etc, but it's great fun being allowed to zoom in on the singer songwriters again just for once.B Ah, to be young and full of dreams and angst and passion...) Lieve in London ________________________________ From: Bob Muller To: Lieve Reckers ; jonipeople LIST Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2008 23:32:38 Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s Well, believe it. Her voice never really appealed to me, and the two hits on the album (and "You're So Vain" specifically) were SO OVERPLAYED on the radio there was no way I was going to get it. I was intrigued when she came out with "Another Passenger" because it featured The Doobie Brothers and Little Feat (two of my favorite bands at the time) and was produced by Ted Templeman, their producer at the time. It was a solid record - I even upgraded to CD when it came out. I also bought Playing Possum and Come Upstairs, which I thought sucked, and I have "My Romance" as it was gifted to me but I don't care for that one either. Well, I replied to his original post before he added that caveat, which I (and Joni) thought was silly anyway - she bristles at being called a confessional songwriter. I thought my choice of Nilsson's LP (which I had to replace because I wore out the grooves) was nothing short of brilliant. At least I knew not to refer to Jethro Tull, Steely Dan, and Pink Floyd as singer songwriters - ha! Bob NP: Amy Correia, "Life Is Beautiful" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:03:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rank. Singer songwriter albums from early 70s - NJC Oh, you know I am putty in the hands of a beautiful woman, Lieve - I accept your challenge and I promise to listen without prejudice, although I might skip "You're So Vain" - I have SO heard that one. Bob NP: Joni, "Cherokee Louise" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:08:19 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Meteor over Saskatoon Did anyone hear about this? Saskatoon skies glow as meteor roars by Associated PressSASKATOON, Saskatchewan  Scientists say theyre searching for remnants of a meteor that lit up the sky before seemingly falling to earth in western Canada. University of Calgary planetary scientist Alan Hildebrand called it one of the largest meteors visible in the country in the last decade. Widely broadcast video images showed what appeared to be a speeding fireball Thursday night over Saskatoon that became larger and brighter before disappearing as it neared the ground. Hildebrand said Friday that he received about 300 e-mail reports from witnesses. It would be something like a billion-watt light bulb, said Hildebrand, who also co-ordinates meteor sightings with the Canadian Space Agency. Tammy Evans was awakened by her 10-year-old daughter who ran into the bedroom. She said there was a flash of light, the house shook twice and it sounded like dinosaurs were walking, Evans said. (NOTE from PP: Maybe they were up in Alaska walking with Sarah Palin after the turkey kill.) Hildebrand suspects it broke up into pieces, and he plans to investigate around Macklin, Saskatchewan, near the Alberta border. Rick Huziak, an amateur astronomer in Saskatoon, helped operate a camera on top of the University of Saskatchewan physics building that captured video of the meteor. It was quite spectacular. The ground lights up all over the place, he said. Martin Beech, an associate professor of astronomy at the University of Regina, said meteorites are valuable to learning about the history of the solar system. Picking up a meteorite is almost equivalent to doing a space exploration mission between Mars and Jupiter, he said. **** Catherine, does your niece still play in those damned hockey games at the U of Saskatchewan? Did she see this? I wonder if they will find remnants on the road to Baljennie? xo, pp NPIMH: Asleep at the Wheel's "Space Buggy"....I had a race with a meteorite... _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. 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