From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #296 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 20 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 296 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SoCal JoniFest and OzFest [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ted njc [Mags ] Ani concert last night - NJC, but a question related to Joni ["Joanna Lan] Re: All Religions, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Ani concert last night - NJC, but a question related to Joni [Bob.Mul] Re: Ani concert last night - NJC, but a question related to Joni ["Randy ] njc, they took all the trees, put 'em in a tree museum [Patti Parlette ] Singalong concerts - njc [Catherine McKay ] Possible Joni appearance???? ["Jerry Notaro" ] RE: Possible Joni appearance???? [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] RE: Joni a hippie? [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:20:22 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: SoCal JoniFest and OzFest I had not considered that it might be in any way inappropriate to post updates to this list on OzFest. I hope it's not a problem. I'd like to keep it to the Yahoo group but I just haven't had much of a response there. In no way do I want to compete with Dave and the SoCal JoniFest. That is of course coming up first and we should concentrate on making that a success. Dave has put so much work into it and it looks amazing so, if I can't make it, I wish you all a lot of fun there in Idyllwild. I had such a positive response from everyone when I first raised the idea of OzFest but the enthusiasm seems to have died down a bit. I really need all those who are interested in coming to OzFest to join the Yahoo group. So far, there are only 12 members and if that's an indication to how many will be attending, I can't continue it because it would be far too expensive for only 12 people. The price I quoted is based on 30 people so, we need that many or more. If there are over 30 people, the price will come down even more. One of the main reasons that I need people to join the Yahoo group is the database. Although I'm not asking for deposits yet, I need to get an idea of how many people will come. I know that it is still a long way off but unless I get an idea of how many people (even a vague idea) I can't continue the organising. In the database, you'll find a couple of fields to fill in i.e. number of guests, type of room, dietary requirements, etc. The numbers are of utmost importance at this point. So far, I'm the only one listed. I've already staked out a double room in the lodge. There are 8 cabins to choose from and several double rooms in the lodge's two floors, all with en suite bathrooms. In the files section, you'll find the menu for the fest which is included in the price. I am currently making enquiries about beverages. They may be charged separately. I have been trying to upload the venue layout but I'm having trouble with that. I'm waiting for Yahoo to get back to me to tell me why it won't upload. In the meantime, I'm happy to send the .pdf file to anyone as an attachment so, if you need to see the lodge and cabin layouts, send me an e-mail off list. Remember, I'm not asking for any money at this stage. Deposits won't be needed for at least another 6 - 8 months. I just need you to stake out your rooms so, please join the OzFest Yahoo group. There is also a link there to SoCal JoniFest. I hope I can make SoCal too. I'm amazed at how similar the two regions look. Idyllwild looks a lot like Kangaroo Valley. Great find, Dave. I'm sorry if my updates here bother anyone but there is no other way until people join the Yahoo group. Mark in Sydney NP How To Be Invisible - Kate Bush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: ted njc ami Michel offered up: Subject: Jill Bolte Taylor on Ted NJC A friend sent me this link from a web site called Ted that I,d like to share with you. The Ted website features all kinds of fascinating stories that talk about our lives and bring hope. *** bonsjour Michel, merci pour the link to all things Ted. Delicious! I watched the video featuring Jill Bolte and was mesmerized. She's quite the story teller/actor/stage presence, and funny to boot, considering the seriousness of subject matter. I enjoyed the David Griffin bit on how photography connects us, a celebration of the way we see things, the way we connect emotionally to images in the every day. (and not so every day, so says the penguin ;-) definitely not blinded by the site ;-)) Mags xo http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/david_griffin_on_how_photography_connects. html i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:31:37 -0500 From: "Joanna Lanza" Subject: Ani concert last night - NJC, but a question related to Joni Hi listers - me again, Joanna from Jersey, reporting on Ani Difranco's show last night for those interested. It was amazing. She is truly getting better with age. This past summer I remember saying to myself after seeing a show in Prospect Park, Brooklyn "I probably won't see her for a while now" That show was Ok, it rained a bit, and I didn't count it as one of her best. (Usually, I try to get tix for all shows in NY/NJ area) Count Basie Theatre is about 15 minutes away from my house, so I decided on a whim to buy tickets again and ended up getting 3rd row, center. Great seats. I don't know if it was because the theatre has recently been revamped or if she was just in a good mood, but I think this might have been one of the best shows I've ever seen..ever, of any artist. She closed with 32 flavors and Hypnotized and when I say that EVERYONE in the house was SINGING IN HARMONY...I couldn't believe everyone knew the words..all of them. At one point, we were singing, and Ani sung backround vocals to us!! I don't think I've ever experience a show like that ever before. I've been to shows where people sing togther, but none that you could literally hear every syllable, and it sounded incredible..it was perfect, utterly perfect..if I wasn't so tuned in, I would have been crying. Truly magical..so emotional..all of us, floating along on her closing songs...I imagine this is what Joni shows/experiences were like...is this true? So, I would like to ask a question of this list..can you recall and share an experience like this? Preferably Joni (perhaps i can live vicariously though a story) or any concert experience where you felt YOU became part of the show.. joanna - -- "Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:40:14 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: All Religions, njc Anita wrote: Yours, struggling with getting my head round big ideas, hoping this email makes some sense to someone - and also struggling with how to live with integrity, Hi Anita, Interesting poem. Reminded me of a brick house being built or cells of the body. Everybody has different opinions regardless of what similar group they belong to. I don't usually give a thought to winning people over to my opinions. I express my opinions for the taking or the leaving of them. And sometimes my opinion expressed at one moment is very different from that of the next moment. I'm aware things are always changing and what I say today could be wrong and not apply to tomorrow. I feel like a channel more than a source, especially in my job as a teacher. I'm getting continuing education on teaching, and we've taken several tests that show us our particular learning and teaching styles. I tested lowest in changing people's values and opinions as a goal of teaching. It surprised me this was a possible goal of education. I prefer to channel information and let those who hear do with it what they please. This is the way I was taught when I was growing up. I'd rather see creativity than uniformity. But maybe sometimes uniformity is creativity. Sometimes I have the opinion of no opinion. It fascinated me that Obama voted "present" several times as a senator because that in a sense says one doesn't have an opinion strong enough to express. I didn't know senators could vote "present" until this election. I'm also fascinated by people who are always looking to change their opinions based on the moment. I used to visit with a Catholic bishop who did this. Rather than trying to be the voice of God, he listened for the voice of God in me and in current ongoings in the world. I don't think I've ever been in a conversation with somebody who listened more deeply to what I was saying than this person. He heard what I was saying sometimes more completely than I did as I spoke it. Maybe the big ideas are found in the small. Like fractals. Maybe your looking for integrity means you have it already. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:22:40 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Ani concert last night - NJC, but a question related to Joni Glad it was a great show, Joanna - thought it would be. My experiences relative to that would be Ben Folds performing "Army" when he splits the audience in 3 sections and has them do the backup vocals, always a lot of fun. Billy Joel did some of that as well when he performed "Billy The Kid" back in the 70's. Springsteen does a LOT of it, unfortunately, much of it has become cliche (the audience chanting singing a vocal intro to "Tenth Ave Freezeout, for example) but it is amazing how he can bring the audience into the show on such a grand scale. By the same token, a real pet peeve of mine is being next to someone who knows ALL the words to ALL the songs and sings along with everything so loudly that it interferes with the REAL performer. "Hey Bub, I didn't shell out X number of dollars to hear your tone-deaf a$$ sing, I want to hear THAT person." Bob, going to see JJ Grey & Mofrom tonight, should be fun NP: Paul Simon, "The Rhythm Of The Saints" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:16:37 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Ani concert last night - NJC, but a question related to Joni > So, I would like to ask a question of this list..can you recall and share > an > experience like this? Fiona Apple in San Francisco-on some of the quieter songs ie "Paper Bag", "Get Gone", "I Know" the audience was singing quite loudly (and not unpleasantly). The best, though, was Brazilian icon Caetano Veloso-the audience was singing in harmony in Portugese-and all seemed to have lovely voices-it added a whole 'nuther dimension to the experience. Of course Crosby, Stills and Nash have been letting the audience take over "Teach Your Children" for many years. The last tour they did with Young had lots of audience singing, too, and even lyrics on the video screen during "Let's Impeach The President"*. RR *and it's not too late! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:39:18 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, they took all the trees, put 'em in a tree museum Regarding Yoko's Wish Trees project: They took all the trees (21 crepe myrtles) and put 'em in a tree museum! "The trees are being dedicated as a permanent contemplative grove at Arlington Garden in Pasadena. Arlington Garden is a demonstration Mediterranean climate garden located at 275 Arlington Drive. In just three-and-a-half years since its founding, the Garden has become home to 2,300 trees and Mediterranean climate plants and uncounted California Poppies and other wildflowers each spring. It has become a popular place to learn about Mediterranean climate gardening and to enjoy a bit of serenity in an ever-urbanized community." - Robin Faulk, One Colorado And they took all the wishes (90,000 fluttery white flowers of deep feeling) and sent them to John Lennon's Imagine Peace Tower in Iceland. Beautiful & inspiring photos, videos, text, and slideshow: http://imaginepeace.com/news/archives/670 Peacing over and out, Patti P, a little bit corny, a wildwood flower wavin' for ya _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:23:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Crawdaddy Joni Mitchell: Court and Spark by Sean Nelson Is the featured book. Article here: http://crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com/?utm_source=NL&utm_medium=email&utm_camp aign=081119 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Singalong concerts - njc Thought I'd change the subject line since it has veered off Ani and Joni. I don't mind some singalong stuff and it can be lots of fun sometimes. I recently went to a Jason Mraz concert with my daughter. Her friend was supposed to go but her friend bailed (always happens) and Sarah bugged me to go along with her. I'm not a big fan of Jason Mraz because I find him a little, I dunno, slick or something. The concert started out by annoying me. First of all, we had very bad seats, way up in the high balcony at Massey Hall and the seats up there are wood and very close together, such that your knees banged into the seat ahead, and I'm not tall, so I can imagine how bad it might be for someone with very long legs. Plus it hurts your bum to have to sit on a wooden seat for so long. The opening act was Lisa Hannigan who has sung with Damien Rice. She has a very lovely voice but speaks very quietly. The people sitting behind us would not shut up throughout the entire opening act but kept yapping on and on about whatever. There seems to be no respect for opening acts. Once Jason Mraz started, the crowd went nuts. The yappers behind stopped their constant yapping, but there was a whole lot fo "whoo-ing" and applause in what I thought were bizarre places. It almost felt cultish how many people seemed to know all the words to all his songs. There were a few where he encouraged the audience to sing along and those weren't really complex lyrics-wise, although he did have people singing various notes, very high and very low, sometimes just the women, sometimes just the men, sometimes the left side only, sometimes the middle, sometimes the right side only. I have to say he really knew how to play the audience. So it wasn't so much a case of someone singing along to all the songs, but more of people (lots of people - not just one or two) making a lot of unnecessary noise more often than they really needed to and just the weirdness of almost everyone (it seemed) knowing all the words to his songs. I don't know all the words to Joni's songs and I've been a fan for 40 years or so, and the average Jason Mraz fan is probably, what, 20? (There were a few old farts like me in the audience though.) And a few years ago, was also with my daughter at a Bright Eyes concert and a guy sitting next to us had brought a Mickey with him and was drinking from it and started out singing along and commenting about how much he loved this song or that. I was afraid he would keep it up throughout the whole concert, but fortunately he shut up for most of it and turned out to be kind of amusing after all. I think a lot of concerts end up being love-ins by the end if you even slightly like the music, because I always walk out feeling better than when I walked in. - --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Randy Remote wrote: > > So, I would like to ask a question of this list..can > you recall and share an > > experience like this? > > Fiona Apple in San Francisco-on some of the quieter songs > ie > "Paper Bag", "Get Gone", "I > Know" the audience was singing > quite loudly (and not unpleasantly). > The best, though, was Brazilian icon Caetano Veloso-the > audience > was singing in harmony in Portugese-and all seemed to have > lovely > voices-it added a whole 'nuther dimension to the > experience. > Of course Crosby, Stills and Nash have been letting the > audience > take over "Teach Your Children" for many years. > The last tour > they did with Young had lots of audience singing, too, and > even > lyrics on the video screen during "Let's Impeach > The President"*. > RR > *and it's not too late! __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Possible Joni appearance???? 75th Birthday Concert: Wayne Shorter featuring Brian Blade, Danilo Perez, John Patitucci, and Imani Winds at Carnegie Hall December 2nd. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:06:02 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Possible Joni appearance???? Jerry wrote: 75th Birthday Concert: Wayne Shorter featuring Brian Blade, Danilo Perez, John Patitucci, and Imani Winds at Carnegie Hall December 2nd. >>> 75th? Who's birthday is that? Joni's? I guess she's 65. Rian NP on myspace: Kay Ashley - Beautiful ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:34:11 -0500 From: David Eoll Subject: RE: Joni a hippie? > From: anon anon > Subject: RE: Joni a hippie? > > I want to be a beatnik! I hope it's not too late!!! Tangent to this thread, Janis Joplin self-identified in interviews as a beatnik. > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: Joni a hippie? > > Hi Monika, These days people are more accepting of the fact that they > were (or still are :~}) hippies. Back then it was word manufactured > by the 'straight' media so people who were being labeled as such > didn't like the word. 'Freaks', like Joni uses in the song Carey, was > the term many hippies used at the time to describe themselves or their > friends. When I was coming up, in the 1980s, "heads" was the preferred term. I think it was in use back in the 60s as well, and I know its still used today. "Hippie" was used in some contexts. It was more of a friendly, chiding way of referring to friends or sometimes one's self. Like, your friend is showing you the necklace she made from a Herkimer stone she just mined in NY, and you say, "Marge, you're such a freakin' hippie." "Freaks" was not as common, although I tended to use the word alot myself. Today I prefer "tree-hugging dirt-worshiper". ;) If there was a semi-derogatory manufactured term used in the 1980s, it had to be earthy-crunchy. Gawd, I hated that. And not just because it was usually uttered in a dismissive, almost sneering, tone by non-heads. No, I hated it for the simple fact that... I don't really care for granola that much. Call me fuzzy if you want, but crunchy? No thanks. Musically, there were three pillars among heads I hung with. The Grateful Dead, of course, since alot of the head communities gravitated around the Dead shows. CSN & sometimes Y. And Joni. Of course 60s music of many other flavors (but not bubble-gum) was played, but I think those three were the staples. I was kind of familiar with Joni before going to school at UMass, but going out there and getting immersed in the head culture of Western Massachusetts, is when I really fell for her. The dorm I lived in was kind of the Bohemian dorm on campus, although there were at least a few heads in just about every dorm. Butterfield, though, was saturated. The building itself had much more character than the typical cinder-block human filing-cabinets that housed most of the students. It was one of the older buildings on campus, and I don't think there were two rooms in the place that were exactly the same. Each had its own slightly different shape and personality. And the stairwells had fantastic acoustics. And just about everyone who lived there were heads, punks, musicians, artists, writers, gays, communists, feminists, activists, vegetarians... rejects, basically. All the people that society didn't want. We were like the Island of Misfit Toys. And we were all gathered together under one roof, usually stoned, and often naked. And Joni was played alot. Mostly Blue, Clouds, LotC, and C&S. But StaS, and FtR got some airplay too. I still know a few people out that way, and I recently got word that, sadly, the university administration finally succeeded in killing Butterfield. They were trying to bust up that scene even when I was there. And they finally did it in a clever way. They made it a freshman-only dorm. The effect is that the cultural life-cycle of the place has been severed. People on that certain wavelength can no longer coalesce there, and cultural traits and traditions are no longer passed on from year to year. Bummer. On a similar note, my other favorite place at UMass has been similarly ruined. I had occasion to visit the campus last year, and was shocked to see what they had done to Hippie Beach. They paved paradise. F***ers. The south side of the Student Union, facing the campus pond, used to be made up of a patio and steps that ran the entire length of the building. Both patio and steps were made of dark grey slate rock which, because of the southern exposure and because there were no buildings blocking the way, soaked up the Sun all day long. So, it was relatively warm there even in early March. And like I said, it faced the pond, so that was the Beach part. The Hippie part was that both Earth Foods (co-op vegetarian cafeteria) and People's Market (co-op health food store) were on the south side of the Student Union. So, people would get food at those two places and sit out on the patio, or the steps, and the scene kind of spilled out from there onto the lawn and down to the pond. There were almost always people playing music there, or juggling, or fooling around in the bushes, eating mushrooms and playing with the ducks, or whatever. It was beautiful. I met some of my favorite people on the planet there, including She Who Deflowered Me. ;) *sigh* (and, yeah, she was definitely a hippie) And now its gone. That wonderful slate has all been torn up and replaced by concrete and a brick wall around the patio. Yes, a f***ing wall. My, how symbolic. Gone are the long, long steps for people to sprawl out on. And the wall just fecks the whole feng shui of the place right in the arse. It was a gorgeous spring day when I visited there last year. The kind of day when the place would've been alive with heads back when I was a student there. And there was a smattering of people. I guess if you make a place less fun to hang out in, not as many people will hang out there. Maybe that was the idea. As long as I've wandered down this The World Is All Going To Hell path, I might as well relate another sad story, Joni related. I was sitting in one of my current favorite places: a fantastic health food store/cafe in Exeter, NH, where I live. The Blue Moon. It's not just a store, its a community, with many beautiful people in it, including the family who runs the place. Yoga upstairs, the whole shebang. Anyway, I was sitting there one morning eating my delicious vegan spelt muffin, and drinking my dandelion tea. Because, of course... I'm a hippie. ;) It was pretty much just the kitchen staff and me there since it was the mid-morning lull, and the woman at the front register. And the opening piano jingle from "River" comes on the radio in the kitchen, and someone makes a comment about it being strange to have Christmas music playing in the Spring. Sez I, "Its Joni Mitchell". The kitchen folk all turn and look at me blankly. "Really?" You've got to be kidding. Y'all are kidding me, right? You're not serious. You're serious? Seriously? I'm sitting in a health food store full of women. Hip women. The only guy in the whole joint, and I'm the one who knows Joni? Me? With my Y chromosome, and my penis? I'm the only one? Absurd. Et tu, Robin? Say it isn't so. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. And they weren't all youngsters, either. I hate guessing women's ages but, Lisa's probably my age. And Kathy, the owner, must have 10 years on me, judging from her daughters' ages. Hell, she must've been in high school when Blue came out. Tsk, tsk. Oh well, I still love them. Years ago, it was my sisters who taught me about Joni. Apparently, now I have to teach some of them. Sorry about the length. I get carried away reminiscing. Love, David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #296 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------