From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #295 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 19 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 295 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: All religions njc ["Anita Tedder" ] OzFest Now Even Cheaper [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: Joni a hippie? [anon anon ] Wow! What a place! [Dave Blackburn ] wedding songggggg [hannah green ] Re: wedding songggggg [Kate Johnson ] Re: wedding songggggg [merk54@aol.com] Re: wedding songggggg [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: wedding songggggg [Happy The Man ] Re: wedding songggggg [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: wedding songggggg [Catherine McKay ] Re: wedding songggggg [Catherine McKay ] (NJC) Petition to Obama Administration ["Lori Fye" ] Jill Bolte Taylor on Ted NJC [Michael ] Re: Joni a hippie?, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: wedding songggggg [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] NJC Digest problem ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Hana you are almost a neighbour njc [Lucy Hone ] Re: Joni a hippie? [Bruce Eggleston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:10:23 -0000 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Re: All religions njc I have been reading with much interest the discussion regarding religion sucking or not sucking and trying to understand the different ways we respond to the opinions of others. Sometimes, it seems really painful. I have always taken shelter in a poem of Marge Piercy's The Low Road when she writes 'It goes on one at a time'. I have tried to live my life recently in this way - to engage with those I meet and take them one at a time, regardless of gender,age,religion,sexuality, ability, disability, race etc. I don't want them to try and change me and I hope I won't try and change them and some people I will like and others I won't like. Some won't like me and some will. I wrote extensively some time back about my struggles with some incidents regarding priests. However, when I re-read the poem of Marge Piercy today,which I held so dear, I realised that the poem is about converting people to one's own view of things and, in that way, is no different from anything else, really. So the refuge I though I had was, in fact, another illusion. Anyway, as you can see, I am struggling with trying to make some sense of my experiences and my internal struggle about accepting others as they are and hoping they accept me as I am. But, of course, with issues of power it's so much more complex. Yup, I simply don't life at all. Anyway, this is Marge Piercy's poem, The Low Road, which I set to music some time ago and used to perform. What can they do to you? Whatever they want. They can set you up, they can bust you, they can break your fingers, they can burn your brain with electricity, blur you with drugs till you can t walk, cant remember, they can take your child, wall up your lover. They can do anything you cant blame them from doing. How can you stop them? Alone, you can fight, you can refuse, you can take what revenge you can but they roll over you. But two people fighting back to back can cut through a mob, a snake-dancing file can break a cordon, an army can meet an army. Two people can keep each other sane, can give support, conviction, love, massage, hope, sex. Three people are a delegation, a committee, a wedge. With four you can play bridge and start an organisation. With six you can rent a whole house, eat pie for dinner with no seconds, and hold a fund raising party. A dozen make a demonstration. A hundred fill a hall. A thousand have solidarity and your own newsletter; ten thousand, power and your own paper; a hundred thousand, your own media; ten million, your own country. It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more. Looking at the poem now, it could equally be about civil rights or the Spanish inquisition. I am SO disappointed! How can injustices be tackled any way other than subjectively and by non violent protest? Yours, struggling with getting my head round big ideas, hoping this email makes some sense to someone - and also struggling with how to live with integrity, Anita _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1061 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:20:34 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: OzFest Now Even Cheaper Hey everyone. I have great news about OzFest. I got on the blower to the venue today - Kangaroo Valley Bush Retreat, and they've agreed to drop the price. I have also decided to extend it to four days instead of three. They have also sent me a floor plan of the retreat so, I can now offer up rooms. You can get in early and stake your preference by going to the OzFest Yahoo page where you'll find a database link. You can enter your preferences there. Don't worry, you won't have to pay your deposit just yet. Patricia King is a lovely lady who is really quite enthusiastic about these strange Joni Mitchell fans invading the Southern Highlands. She is bending over backwards to make everyone comfortable. She has agreed to drop the price and, after some calculations, this is the how much it will cost you in 6 currencies for the whole fest: AU$467.00 US$302.57 EU239.07 GBP201.50 CA$371.54 SWK2,422.60 NOK2,113.70 This is for 4 nights accommodation and all meals. The menu is available in the Files section on the OzFest Yahoo page and has a choice of two options for each meal and includes morning and afternoon teas. There will also be variations available for dietary requirements i.e vegetarian, kosher, etc. You can enter your dietary requirements in the appropriate field in the database section. We will have the entire retreat to ourselves. It's one price for the whole place so, these individual prices are based on 30 people attending. Anything past that will drop the individual price even lower so, I urge you to bring spouses and families and make a holiday out of it. If by some miracle, we get more than their total occupancy of 68, they have a deal going with the neighbouring retreat. If you want more clarity on accommodation available, I will be posting the floor plan on the Yahoo site too so you can see the exact layout. The Lodge is two storeys and there are 8 cabins. Please join the Yahoo group to get all the latest information http:// groups.yahoo.com/group/OzFest2010 JMDLers are coming out of the woodwork for this. People I've never heard of and it's wonderful. I am currently working on some surprises that will blow your mind. I'm hoping to have more of you Europeans here. I know how much of a struggle the cost and time factor is for you so, I hope this lower price will help. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:32:51 -0500 From: anon anon Subject: RE: Joni a hippie? I want to be a beatnik! I hope it's not too late!!! > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:39:45 -0800 > From: motitan75@yahoo.com > Subject: Joni a hippie? > To: joni@smoe.org > > I don't know why I was thinking about this today, but did you consider Joni > to be a hippie? Was she a part of the movement or did she just happen to be > there? Which of her songs do you think best reflect the attitudes and beliefs > of the counterculture? I remember reading an interview with Joni where she > said in one way she wasn't a hippie at all and in another way, she was the > Queen of the hippies. I think that suits her well. What do you think about > the writer behind the song Woodstock as far as this topic goes? > -Monika > NR: Your Own, Sylvia: A Verse Portrait of Sylvia Plath by Stephanie Hemphill _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:15:24 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Wow! What a place! Dear JoniFesters (definites and maybes) We took a drive up to The Creekstone Inn in Idyllwild yesterday to check it out and it is absolutely phenomenal. The rooms are luxury and the performance space couldn't be better. There is a great kitchen for our use, a nice bar area in the performance room, a wraparound dining area, a pool table, and even an outdoor sitting area for morning coffee with a view of the mountains. Chris, the owner, is excited to have us come and I paid her the deposit to secure our dates so we're solid for Sept 24-27 2009. The Inn however sleeps 18 and we will likely have more Festers than that so we took a look at two vacation rental homes that sleep 4-6 each, two short blocks away. We will probably need one or both of these, depending on our numbers and I'd need to secure those with deposits too. Please continue sending me those deposits as soon as you can, partly to secure the accommodations we need and partly to help us see how many of us there will be. I prefer PayPal: that will be $100 per person plus $5 each to offset the Paypal charge on my end. Send that to my email address :beatntrack@sbcglobal.net. If you need to mail a check instead please email me privately and I'll give you my mailing address. This method would be $100 per person even. The overall cost of the JoniFest (4 nights with all food and drink included) will be $500 US per person, less the deposits you have paid Mark is promising the greatest JoniFest ever in Australia 2010, so we have to make ours hard to beat! If you're AT ALL considering coming to this SoCal JoniFest please join my Yahoo group created for it so we don't have to bog down the JMDL with our intra-communications. Just send a blank email to SoCalJoniFest09-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and I'll send you the invitation to join. Cheers to all, Dave and Robin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:24:12 +0000 From: hannah green Subject: wedding songggggg I've been thinking about this for a while, I know I'm only 19 and I have no intention of getting married soon! but I'm desperate to find a joni mitchell song for my wedding song and i am completely stuck on this? Any idea?? thnks hana xxxx _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:02:10 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: wedding songggggg Of course! Love, Joni's adaptation of the bible verse. Kate Stubblejumpers Cafi http://stubblejumperscafe.pnn.com/6853-the-front-page On 18-Nov-08, at 11:24 AM, hannah green wrote: I've been thinking about this for a while, I know I'm only 19 and I have no intention of getting married soon! but I'm desperate to find a joni mitchell song for my wedding song and i am completely stuck on this? Any idea?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:52:18 -0500 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: wedding songggggg We played Love off of Wild Things Run Fast at ours.? It was perfect. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: hannah green Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:24 am Subject: wedding songggggg I've been thinking about this for a while, I know I'm only 19 and I have no intention of getting married soon! but I'm desperate to find a joni mitchell song for my wedding song and i am completely stuck on this? Any idea?? thnks hana xxxx _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:52:19 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: wedding songggggg That was what came to mind for me as well - in fact, this Bible chapter is very often read at weddings. Attributed to the Apostle Paul BUT I have my doubts about that as the writing style isn't really in synch with a lot of his other letters. And I guess the one you DON'T want is "My Old Man" with the whole "we don't need a piece of paper" thing... HOWEVER, my recommendation would be "Jericho", which is less idealistic and more realistic about a longtime lifetime commitment than "Love" is. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Small Change" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:31:50 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: wedding songggggg Plus if it is written by the Apostle Paul it was written as a lawyer would write an indictment meaning instead of saying "Love is patience what the writer was trying to get across to the people was "your not patient, your not kind, you boast, blah blah blah. But makes for good wedding song none the less. Peace, Craig Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Love, Joni's adaptation of the bible verse.> > > That was what came to mind for me as well - in fact, this Bible chapter is > very often read at weddings. Attributed to the Apostle Paul BUT I have my > doubts about that as the writing style isn't really in synch with a lot of > his other letters. > > And I guess the one you DON'T want is "My Old Man" with the whole "we > don't need a piece of paper" thing... > > HOWEVER, my recommendation would be "Jericho", which is less idealistic > and more realistic about a longtime lifetime commitment than "Love" is. > > Bob > > NP: Tom Waits, "Small Change" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:43:30 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: wedding songggggg Agreed, and given that he was as big a homophobe as you'll find in the Bible (based on his letters to the Romans), I hope that it's read at every same-sex marriage ceremony as well. Bob NP: Earth, Wind and Fire, "Love's Holiday" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:13:46 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: wedding songggggg Ah well, I think you probably want something HAPPY! The most obvious one, of course, is "Love" based on the writings of Paul the apostle, since that is so often read at weddings (Christian ones) in any case. This may be a bit offbeat, but how about, "Lucky girl." This depends on how you feel about mentioning the other guys you could never trust, but I think it would be a cool song to dedicate to the one you love. The line(s) "I'm a lucky girl, I found my friend" are deceptively simple but I think, what better compliment to your partner than to call him or her your friend? Plus, it has one of the grooviest and possibly most complicated rhythms of any Joni song ever and that alone makes it very, very cool: I'm a lucky girl I found my friend I've been all around the world Mission impossible Chasing the rainbow's end Wise guys Shy guys And sly lover boys With big bad bedroom eyes ... I never loved a man i trusted As far as i could pitch my shoe 'til i loved you You're my lucky star You're my magician You make the night prowling disappear Vanished from the star-war-bars Empty repetition I get my heart full here Playboys Stray boys And "say, hey, hey" boys'll treat you like a toy I never loved a man i trusted As far as i could pitch my shoe 'til i loved you Cheaters Woman beaters And huck finn shucksters hopping parking meters I never loved a man I trusted As far as i could pitch my shoe 'til i loved you I'm a lucky girl I found my friend I been all around the world Mission impossible Chasing the rainbow's end Wise guys Booby-prize guys And sly lover boys With big bad bedroom eyes ... I never loved a man i trusted As far as i could throw my shoe 'til i loved you - --- On Tue, 11/18/08, hannah green wrote: > From: hannah green > Subject: wedding songggggg > To: > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Received: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:24 PM > I've been thinking about this for a while, I know > I'm only 19 and I have no > intention of getting married soon! but I'm desperate to > find a joni mitchell > song for my wedding song and i am completely stuck on this? > Any idea?? > > thnks > > hana > xxxx > __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:20:26 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: wedding songggggg - --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Love, Joni's adaptation of the bible verse.> > > That was what came to mind for me as well - in fact, this > Bible chapter is > very often read at weddings. Attributed to the Apostle Paul > BUT I have my > doubts about that as the writing style isn't really in > synch with a lot of > his other letters. That's true. Sounds too kind for Paul. Maybe he was having a good day that day. Then again, there's always "Dancing clown!" ha ha ha ha ha! __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:10:42 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Petition to Obama Administration End special rights to heterosexual couples. http://www.h4pj.org/issues/endspecialrights.php Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:20:23 +0000 From: Michael Subject: Jill Bolte Taylor on Ted NJC A friend sent me this link from a web site called Ted that I,d like to share with you. The Ted website features all kinds of fascinating stories that talk about our lives and bring hope. I'm sure you will enjoy this video. It is a short lecture by a scientist who recounts her witnessing her own brain malfunction as she suffers a stroke that impaired the left side of her brain. What she learned about her perception of reality from the perspective of her right brain is nothing short of astonishing. In a way, it made me sad to think that our very own brains contain all the elements we need for a world of bliss. It seems like a cruel joke that we are denied this consciousness simply because of the hardwiring of our brains. If only... See what you think. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_ins ight.html Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:07:22 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Joni a hippie?, njc Kate wrote: These days people are more accepting of the fact that they were (or still are :~}) hippies. Back then it was word manufactured by the 'straight' media so people who were being labeled as such didn't like the word. 'Freaks', like Joni uses in the song Carey, was the term many hippies used at the time to describe themselves or their friends. Hi Kate, When I think of hippies, I think of teens and older during the 60's; and when I think of freaks, I think of teens and older during the 70's. I wasn't old enough to be a hippie but was a full-fledged freak. It might have taken longer for the word freak to reach us in Arkansas. Funny about the use of the word "straight" in reference to the media. I remember when it was used to distinguish people who didn't use drugs from those who did. We were either drug freaks or straight. It wasn't cool to be straight. Love, Laura PS. Some of my students and my kids' friends think I'm a hippie. I take that as a compliment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:21:50 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: wedding songggggg I'm with Catherine. Lucky Girl is appropriate. Oh, this is for the first time i read someone recommending a song from Dog Eat Dog. Anyway, i'm planning too. But it won't happen in 5 years. And i guess mine'll be The Circle Game. Same as Patti's son. Rian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:13:55 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC Digest problem I didn't get http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2008.n292 http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2008.n293 or Tuesday's http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2008.n294 Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:02:50 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Hana you are almost a neighbour njc Hana, you are in Southampton!!!... I am 15 miles from you...you might be the nearest lister to me!!!! welcome and join in . just dashing out the door as I am always running behind the times. Lucy also known as Queen Lulu and I organised the UK Joni Fest that took place this summer. Hello all Bye All Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:57:19 -0700 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: Joni a hippie? I graduated from high school in 1969 (Ah, the sweet/salty/sweet Class of '69) in Salt Lake City, Utah. I considered myself part of the tribe, but perhaps a couple of years behind the essence of it all. From 1967 on, there was no one who better represented the ideal of hipness than Ms. Mitchell. There were certainly many contenders Jerry Garcia for that ideal, but Joni's creativity and intellect and clear vision about what she wanted to do set her apart. I understand the yin/yang of her thinking of herself as, and not as, the Queen of the hippies, as she had the drive and creativity, but little of the runaway hedonism Jerry Garcia. I didn't think of it as a movement at the time, but a state of being, as in, "I'm hip". The movements were focused on the issues and struggles of the day, the war in Viet Nam, civil rights and universal suffrage, free speech, women's liberation, ecology, and plain ole tearin' down the walls of time. Those in the hip state of being tended to participate in the movements, but they were by no means synonymous ideals. Many, in fact the greatest majority of those who participated in those movements weren't within stretched tie-dyed-tee- shirt's distance of even wanting to be hip. "They were just a lot of people doing the best they could." (John Stewart, "Mother Country") The free-spirit part of the hipness was hard to accommodate for many people, and it was associated with the Three-Weiner-Dogs-of-the- Filmore, sex-drugs-'n'-rock-'n'-roll (or, is that the Four-Weiner- Dogs-of-the-Filmore?). Ms. Mitchell's entire opus reflected the attitudes and beliefs of the counterculture, just as we have found out on this listserve. All Joniphiles have different takes on the parts of her creativity that most directly grabs them and reveals the inner mounting flame of her creativity. It was the same from the beginning of her work. Obviously we are talking about her first seven albums, as the dream was over somewhere about "Miles of Aisles". If I had to pick one album it would be "Ladies of the Canyon" because it seems to be having that conversation about the counterculture and some of the heavy dynamics of free-spirit relationships that were going on. There was a clear advancement in her genius and depth of creativity between LotC and "Blue". The free-spirit had found her fierce sorrow and ascended to diva-hood. As for "Woodstock," it was a shock and a pure delight that she got that out so quickly. She encapsulated the moment perfectly. I thought her tempo was a bit serious for the occasion, dirge-like, where in comparison, Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" about a huge battle was a real rompin' round. To her credit, Joni did get the "shotguns in the sky" (B-52 long range bombers) image in there, which would have decimated Napoleon's cannons. Wha' he say??? I feel that Ms. Mitchell was Queen of the Hippies, but not of her own doing, she just fit the bill better than any one else. She did some serious groovin' with the hip, but I never thought of her as one who got in the morning and said, "What is this hippy woman going to do today to be even more hip". She just was. Love, peace and happiness my Bros' and Hot Mamas, (I mean you Pattie and Kate) Bonneville Bruce > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:39:45 -0800 (PST) > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: Joni a hippie? > > I don't know why I was thinking about this today, but did you > consider Joni > to be a hippie? Was she a part of the movement or did she just > happen to be > there? Which of her songs do you think best reflect the attitudes > and beliefs > of the counterculture? I remember reading an interview with Joni > where she > said in one way she wasn't a hippie at all and in another way, she > was the > Queen of the hippies. I think that suits her well. What do you > think about > the writer behind the song Woodstock as far as this topic goes? > - -Monika ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #295 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------