From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #292 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 16 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 292 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dream JoniCovers, now Left of Center Joni Covers [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: Hejira Album Cover Photograph [William Waddell ] Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 ["T Peckham" ] Sophie Scholl, Die Letzten Tage, NJC [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 [Bob Muller ] Margaret Atwood NJC ["James O. Phillips" ] first Joni? ["James O. Phillips" ] Re: Margaret Atwood NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Margaret Atwood NJC [Garret ] Re: first Joni? [Michael Paz ] LA Fires [Michael Paz ] Song for a funeral [Arkay Adkisson ] RE: Song for a funeral [Arkay Adkisson ] Re: Song for a funeral ["gene" ] Re: Song for a funeral [Michael Paz ] njc, Love is a story told, from Connecticut [Patti Parlette ] Re: Song for a funeral [Bob Muller ] Re: first Joni? [Kate Johnson ] Re: njc, Love is a story told, from Connecticut ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Margaret Atwood NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Margaret Atwood NJC [Garret ] Re: first Joni? [Corey Blake ] Re: Margaret Atwood NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] RE: njc, Love is a story told, from Connecticut [Patti Parlette ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:21:26 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Dream JoniCovers, now Left of Center Joni Covers On 16/11/2008, at 7:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Tracey Thorn - See You Sometime I do like this thread. Thanks Rian. I don't recognise a lot of the names you mentioned, Joseph but, Tracey Thorn stands out. I would love to hear her tackle any of Joni's songs but, See You Sometime is an excellent choice for her voice. Mark in Sydney NP 10 - Madhouse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:54:30 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Joni R Stone greatest singers list The latest issue of Rolling Stone (#1066-four diff.covers) has the cover story, "The 100 Greatest Singers Of All Time" with Joni ranking a mere #42-harumph!! Plus 3/4's of the picks are male, although Aretha was #1. Ballots were sent out to musicians and other industy types. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/24161972/page/42 "Joni's got a strange sense of rhythm that's all her own," Bob Dylan told Rolling Stone. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:24:39 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: RE: Hejira Album Cover Photograph Somehow my sign off "Wts" got hooked onto the end of the url for the webpage.Try it without the 'WtS", i.e.,:http://www.last.fm/music/Joni+Mitchell/+images/7012651WtS _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:28:53 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Kate Bennett Thanks Mark, I'm fine. I am far enough away from these fires right now this is the third seriously frightening fire we've had in this area this year. This recent fire burned fewer acres but destroyed more homes. The two other fires (one went on for months) got less media attention but were much bigger, they just didn't destroy as many homes. It has been a weekend of getting in touch with so many people I know to see how they are. Many friends of mine lost their homes, but many did not. Nobody so far has lost their life which is amazing. The media is quite hyped & has concentrated on the perception that the fire hit an area of wealthy celebrities. Truth is the majority of folks who have been hit the worst are the regular working folks, some of whom have lived here for generations. Most of us who've lived through many serious fires over the decades here know the dangers of living here. Fire is a natural part of the life cycle of the native plants. It's just that people have built their houses in places that maybe they shouldn't. Yet it appears to be worth the risk for some because the views can be breathtakingly astounding. Kate >Hey Kate, If you get a chance would you check in and let us know what your situation is? It's been looking pretty bad in the SB area. Hoping you are safe and untouched by the fires. Mark in Seattle < ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:12:05 -0600 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 Vince, I appreciate your point of view, and you know far more of the recent history and activities of religious organizations than I. Perhaps some of the examples I used were not the best. I'm happy to concede that, but I stand by the basic points I made (several of which were not addressed). Pls. see below (and bear with my long responses; I thought what I wrote originally was pretty clear, but I guess not): On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Vince wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:42 PM, T Peckham wrote: > >> >> When's the last time a group of atheists and agnostics boycotted a church? > > > Last Sunday maybe? Tomorrow maybe? ----If you're referring to the Prop 8 > protest actions (??), who said anything about gays & lesbians and supporters > of equal rights necessarily being non-believers? Perhaps there *are*regular organized protests against churches by atheists and agnostics of > which I'm ignorant. I do know that, in this country, *some* religious > groups have a long history of proselytizing and sometimes persecuting those > who believe differently. > >> >> Blew up an abortion clinic and its doctors? Organized as a political force >> and demanded that only non-believers could teach, sit on school boards, or >> run for office? > > > When was the last time atheists and agnostics raised tens of millions of > dollars for food and medical relief for others, opened schools and colleges > because education was a high value, opened hospitals in damn near every town > they could, and were first responders in the aftermath of tsumanis, > hurricanes and other natural disasters? When was the last time atheists and > agnostics organized and operated 24/7 protests at the School of the > Americas,? Without churches and synagogues, the peace movement in this > country (such as it is) would be a shadow of what it is. And the Religious > Coalition for Abortion Rights (now named the Religious Coalition for > Reproductive Choice) has a long and valiant record in the struggle for a > woman's personal choice, and has supplied solace and support and backbone to > many a politician in the fight to preserve choice. > Nowhere did I say or imply that religious groups do nothing for the common good of all people. You, however, seem to be implying that they've cornered the market on it. Since an overwhelming majority of Americans self-identify as Christians of some sort, of course their numbers (in any kind of activity) will be proportionately greater than that of non-believers. > > > Hey, some whack job priest says something stupid somewhere, is corrected by > his superiors, and this is supposed to be an indictment of people of faith?----No, > and no one ever suggested such a sweeping generalization. > > > >> When have gays and lesbians sought to ban >> *opposite-sex*marriage? > > > Oh, gays and lesbians are a different category than people of faith? I'll > be happy when the atheists and agnostics join the United Church of Christ, > the Ev. Lutheran Church in America, the Episcopal Church, the National > Council of Churches, Reformed Judaism, and other religious bodies and > organizations in lobbying for gays rights and against hate in the national > and state capitals of this country. Look up the record of the Lutherans in > Sweden and Denmark,among others. > I think I'm lost at this point. All I was trying to say is that gays and lesbians who wish to marry and have the same rights and protections as hetero couples DO NOT, as a group, run around trying to ban *hetero*marriage. And while there may well be groups of atheists and agnostics who disapprove of same-sex marriage, at least they're not doing it because of some twisted interpretation of a book written a gazillion years ago by mere *men.* Do I need to point out all the barbaric beliefs about women in those books? Do you think it's a bunch of non-believers who are still carrying out stonings of women (and worse) in some parts of this world? Once again, NO, NOT *ALL* RELIGIONS do that sort of thing---but I think it's regularly practiced ONLY by those who belong to religious groups. > > > > >> And throughout history, how many wars have >> been started and waged >> between those who deny the existence of god and those who merely question >> it? Pretty absurd, eh? > > > Hey, some whack job priest says something stupid somewhere, is corrected by > his superiors, and this is is supposed to allowed people who are not of > faith to claim a moral high ground? > > ---Nope, nowhere have I claimed anything like that. (And I don't think > anyone else here has either.) > > Give me a break. Given that we just finished a century where some of the > great wars and genocides and mass murders were conducted by people opposed > to faith (Hitler, Stalin, Mao) that is a rather spurious contention. > > And don't give me any BS that "we as atheists and agnostics don't want to > be associated with Hitler, Stalin, and Mao because they weren't good > atheists and agnostics" and then deny me the right as a member of the clergy > to pick and choose who you judge us by. > One thing I will NOT tolerate is you putting words in my mouth. Especially when they're patently absurd. I don't traffic in "BS." And unlike SOME of your brethren, I don't deny ANYONE their rights. > > The answer to the "start the war question" is World War 2, at least. > Oh, okay. I was thinking about stuff like . . . the Crusades, was it? Defined in Web11 as "any of the military expeditions undertaken by Christian powers in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to win the Holy Land from the Muslims." Aren't they still fighting some of those same wars today? > > > Those who know we from the days I joined when I signed my posts (the Rev) > know that I am a person of faith, and a member of the corporate religious > establishment. > Fine. I wasn't here when you joined, and as I clearly stated, I respect everyone's right to their own beliefs. Period. ---What is the* corporate*religious establishment? But while some people of faith were complicit in Holocaust, it was the Church and the Church alone in German society that stood against Hitler from the very beginning (via the Pastors Emergency League) and worked against Hitler in every possible way including the July 20th assassination conspiracy for which theologian Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer and many others were executed. Again, NOWHERE did I say or imply that ALL people of faith are bad people. You dragged this in. The Rev Martin Luther King was not some sole solitary person of faith in the civil rights struggle. Without the Southern Christian Leadership Council and churches throughout the nation, there would have been no civil rights movement, for churches were its seed bed, meeting places, sanctuaries, and headquarters, which is why the list of martyrs is replete with believers and why churches were bombed. I'm well aware of this. I only mentioned MLK to illustrate the point that many non-believers are capable of being inspired and led by a person of faith. I'm not so sure how often the reverse is true. The sins of the people of faith are many, but so are the sins of the people not of faith. There is no moral superiority on any side of any equation. Many here were sinned on by the Church and I have no problems understanding why many here (or anywhere) have no use for the Church or Judaism or any religion, or have left the religion of the childhood for something that makes sense to them or works for them. (I've done the same as Jerry, finding a place in a faith community other than that in which I was raised.) I understand and concur and support those who have no use for religion in any form. Just please know that I am your agent on the inside of organized religion is on your side. I'm not sure what the last sentence means---is there a word missing? (I'm not being sarcastic--are you saying that you are our agent inside organized religion and you're on our side?) I applaud your openness and tolerance, but once again--I never implied or said that non-believers are morally superior. I don't use sweeping (and stupid) generalizations like that. The point is that there ARE a lot of people of faith who DO BELIEVE that THEY are morally superior to non-believers, and too many of them in the past couple of decades have ORGANIZED for the specific purpose of MAKING LAWS to deny rights to certain groups who believe differently from them. Some whack job priest says something.. or a collection of whack job religious people do something offensive such as the Mormon funding of the Prop 8 campaign (and I have little regard for Mormonism by the way, and a lot of anger towards their activties)... but there are church bodies who fight consistently for GLBT rights, fight daily, and have taken courageous stands. Note how Barack Obama mentioned gays first in his speech on election night - Obama learned gay rights at Trinity UCC in Chicago from his pastor, who is deeply committed to gay rights, the Rev Jeremiah Wright. He was reinforced in that by the Rev Jesse Jackson of the Rainbow Coalition. It is a damn crime that many gays and lesbians joined their white racial group in the hate attacks on Wright and the generations of hate attacks on Jackson rather than support those who have said, very clearly, God damn all forms of hatred and enslavement and oppression. There are a lot of white gays and lesbians who should be on their knees repenting for identifying with white hatred of black leaders such as Wright rather than knowing what his life long message has been - despite what they saw on youtube clips. For the record, I know NOTHING of the "let's demonize Rev. Wright" crap that went on in the campaign, because that's exactly what it was: Rethuglican crap. Just like the ludicrous scare tactics around "domestic terrorist" Bill Ayers. Crap, crap, and more crap. ---- I voted for Obama *even tho* I don't share his religious beliefs, because I sincerely believe he is the best person to save the country. I wonder how many people of faith would vote for the best person if she/he happened to be a non-believer?? Remembering that the greatest crimes of the 20th century were committed by those who despised faith, I'll gladly join in any discussion of the sins of the people of faith - but those who think their non faith is somehow superior to faith, I'll simply smile at their Jerry Farwell type arrogance and occasionally ask, who the hell are you trying to kid? I don't even know how to begin to address that . . . well, except to say . . . while no doubt there are some overfed, hypocritical, arrogant atheists out there, I don't know of any who parade around on TV preaching their msg. as the ONLY truth and asking for money. Those who believe in God or believe in the spirits or Spirit or in some way, their own way, acknowledge something within nature or by whatever name that they recognize that there is something beyond our own selves and is greater than our own selves, by whatever name, under whatever understanding, those should not stand condemned by those who deny anything greater or beyond our own human-ness and see human-ness as the end in itself, nor should they condemn those in return, for to condemn at all from any perspective without recognition for reality is a denial of humanity. Condemnation should be reserved for racism, sexism, and any form of human discrimination, division, hate, or separation, and should not applied as a stereotype which in itself is just another way to alienate humans one from another. Um, agreed, I think. :-) Here's part of what I wrote that you didn't quote: "*Too many church-going people don't practice what they preach. Each to his own beliefs, or lack thereof, i.e., religious tolerance, just isn't good enough for a lot of these folks. And most of them are too easily led by the fearmongers who preach the sort of nonsense Bob's talking about. Which would be one thing if it were just a few nut-jobs confined to small congregations. But these people want to LEGISLATE everyone's behavior, and thanks to (what used to be) the Republican party, they've been able to organize and implement their narrow beliefs not just in churches, but in schools and in all levels of government. So for me, in that context (and in many others), yeah, religion SUCKS.* America was founded by men seeking the freedom to practice--or not practice--any religion of their own choosing, and our govt. was set up to SEPARATE church and state. It's not atheists and agnostics who have violated that intended separation. I hope you take me at my word when I repeat that *I* *do respect* those many persons of faith who ARE tolerant of others' beliefs (or lack thereof), and who work for equal rights for all---and I expect only the same. Terra - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:13:16 +0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Amanda Ghost's Joni interview repeated on BBC BBC Radio 2 repeated the first part (1 hour) of 'Come in from the Cold' interview last night - think people overseas should be able to listen again (if you have Realplayer) via http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/documentaries/jonimitchell.shtml The second hour will be broadcast again next Tuesday. (seem to remember Joni tells a joke about a chicken going into a library -- heard it!!) very best PaulC np Losing You by Randy Newman (who's cancelled his London gig next week (dang! - was so looking forward to that) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:36:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 T Peckham wrote: > I think I'm lost at this point. All I was trying to say is that gays and > lesbians who wish to marry and have the same rights and protections as > hetero couples DO NOT, as a group, run around trying to ban > *hetero*marriage. And while there may well be groups of atheists and > agnostics who > disapprove of same-sex marriage, at least they're not doing it because of > some twisted interpretation of a book written a gazillion years ago by > mere > *men.* I hope some of you attended one of the many rallies across the U.S. to protest the passage of Amendment 2 and Proposition 8. I'm proud to say our rally here in St. Petersburg was at my Unitarian Universalist church and that many clergy from supportive churches were there. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:27:56 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 Although what this particular priest said about Obama is idiotic, and although 90% of what I see about Christianity disturbs me, I don't think "why religion sucks" is necessarily a helpful sentiment. I'd rather see humanists making common cause with the religious left to push back against the corruption of the religious right. I'd recommend reading The End of Faith by Sam Harris. His critique of theist-based religion is withering, yet he leaves room for Buddhism and other forms of non-theistic religions, and suggests that this form of spirituality may indeed be rational. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:17:35 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Sophie Scholl, Die Letzten Tage, NJC I just watched this brilliant German movie: Sophie Scholl The Final Days. I just can't help recommend you all to check it. It's about the final days of 3 members of White Rose movement during third reich. Though this is a wartime movie, there's no "harm". Harm means gunshot or bloodshed. Only fine and moving dialogues. Rian PS. Moni Kellerman appeared on my mind several times. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 There was one here too, about 30 people and at least (1) clergy member. Bob NP: Mike Doughty, "Your Misfortune" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:17:09 -0600 From: "James O. Phillips" Subject: Margaret Atwood NJC Margaret Atwood wrote the book "A Handmaid's Tale", which I read when I was a teenager. I reread it last fall for the first time in well over a decade. Very unique book, and writing style. I did see the movie version of it - I should see if a video store has it to rent. Best James O. Phillips Urbana IL USA http://www.myspace.com/mrjop1975 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/autoharpsenthusiasts/ http://onevoiceattitude.googlepages.com "I believe I've finally made it home, I believe that with me there is nothing wrong" I Believe I've Finally Made It Home written by Nona Hendryx, recorded by Labelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:19:23 -0600 From: "James O. Phillips" Subject: first Joni? Folks, Have a question that would be appropriate to ask. If you were going to introduce someone to the music of Joni, what cd would you give them as a jumping point. It's a toughie that I've been pondering, and thought would be good question for this list. Best James O. Phillips Urbana IL USA http://www.myspace.com/mrjop1975 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/autoharpsenthusiasts/ http://onevoiceattitude.googlepages.com "I believe I've finally made it home, I believe that with me there is nothing wrong" I Believe I've Finally Made It Home written by Nona Hendryx, recorded by Labelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:56:43 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Margaret Atwood NJC - --- On Sun, 11/16/08, James O. Phillips wrote: > Margaret Atwood wrote the book "A Handmaid's > Tale", which I read when I was a teenager. I reread it > last fall for the first time in well over a decade. Very > unique book, and writing style. > > I did see the movie version of it - I should see if a video > store has it to rent. > > Best > > James O. Phillips > Urbana IL USA > I never read it before but am reading it now. I'm on an Atwood jag right now. My favourite so far, and which I just finished reading, is "Cat's Eye." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:18:00 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Margaret Atwood NJC Cat's Eye is good. I really enjoyed The Robber Bride, Handmaid's Tale, Alias Grace, and Oryx & Crake. Also, her collection of short stories, Wilderness Tips, is a great read. Wasn't so hot on moral disorder (at least i think that's what it was called). Generally i find her writing style engaging. I think it's a good thing that i have found myself responding to her characters as if they are real people. I'm thinking of The Robber Bride. One of the three key characters really bugged me and i always wanted her sections to end. One of them i just adored and the other, well i found it harder to know how i felt. It is such a fantastic read. When you look at her bibliography, the range of material is humbling - novels, short stories, children's books, poetry, screenplays, literary criticism and so on. She strikes me as a keen intellect with a great wit. I sometimes feel that she is playing with the reader, just as she plays with her words. For some reason i had come to believe that Margaret Atwood is unlikely to publish another novel, but i believe that she is currently working on a novel set in the same world as Oryx & Crake. Interestingly, one of her earliest books (perhaps her first release, can't remember) was a collection of poetry called The Circle Game. Well, that's me for now GARRET On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- On Sun, 11/16/08, James O. Phillips > wrote: > > > > Margaret Atwood wrote the book "A Handmaid's > > Tale", which I read when I was a teenager. I reread it > > last fall for the first time in well over a decade. Very > > unique book, and writing style. > > > > I did see the movie version of it - I should see if a video > > store has it to rent. > > > > Best > > > > James O. Phillips > > Urbana IL USA > > > > I never read it before but am reading it now. I'm on an Atwood jag right > now. My favourite so far, and which I just finished reading, is "Cat's Eye." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:13:47 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: first Joni? For the Roses hands down. Esp. if they are a musician. Go forth and assimilate! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 16, 2008, at 6:19 AM, James O. Phillips wrote: Folks, Have a question that would be appropriate to ask. If you were going to introduce someone to the music of Joni, what cd would you give them as a jumping point. It's a toughie that I've been pondering, and thought would be good question for this list. Best James O. Phillips Urbana IL USA http://www.myspace.com/mrjop1975 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/autoharpsenthusiasts/ http://onevoiceattitude.googlepages.com "I believe I've finally made it home, I believe that with me there is nothing wrong" I Believe I've Finally Made It Home written by Nona Hendryx, recorded by Labelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:18:11 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: LA Fires To All Our Friends in the LA area- Just flew over the city and saw all the fires first hand. We were choking from the smoke on the plane even. My heart goes out to everyone here. Be well and safe! Hope Kate and Jeff are ok up in Santa Barbara. Take care you guys! IN OTHER NEWS+++++++ Had a lovely afternoon yesterday in MEGA Minifest fashion having an afternoon of guitar playing and singing and talking with fellow lister Dave Blackburn. What an awesome guitarist and all around nice person. NOW I am really excited for the SoCal Fest. Should be a musical meltdown. Sign up now or be left out. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:25:47 -0600 From: Arkay Adkisson Subject: Song for a funeral My mother passed away on friday and i am in charge of her funeral arrangements. She was very devout join fan, and i would like to play a joni song during the service. the only song i can think of is of joni singing both sides now from the all star tribute to joni mitchell, but the only copy i have of that song has all sorts of applause on the track, and there is no version on itunes that i can find. i really need help thinking of appropriate songs...i cant use anything from blue, for the roses, court and spark-for personal reasons. please can someone think of a nice song that could work for a funeral? thank you. arkay _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:37:35 -0600 From: Arkay Adkisson Subject: RE: Song for a funeral or if anyone knows where i can locate a copy of joni singing both sides now from the all star tribute that doesnt have the applause on it? that would be great. arkay > From: inkedmamajama@hotmail.com > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Song for a funeral > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:25:47 -0600 > > My mother passed away on friday and i am in charge of her funeral > arrangements. She was very devout join fan, and i would like to play a joni > song during the service. > > the only song i can think of is of joni singing both sides now from the all > star tribute to joni mitchell, but the only copy i have of that song has all > sorts of applause on the track, and there is no version on itunes that i can > find. > > i really need help thinking of appropriate songs...i cant use anything from > blue, for the roses, court and spark-for personal reasons. > > please can someone think of a nice song that could work for a funeral? > > thank you. > > arkay > > _________________________________________________________________ > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 > 12008 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:58:50 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Song for a funeral I can't help you with joni's song, but I am very sorry to hear about your loss. May she Rest in Peace. take care, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arkay Adkisson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Song for a funeral > My mother passed away on friday and i am in charge of her funeral > arrangements. She was very devout join fan, and i would like to play a > joni > song during the service. > > the only song i can think of is of joni singing both sides now from the > all > star tribute to joni mitchell, but the only copy i have of that song has > all > sorts of applause on the track, and there is no version on itunes that i > can > find. > > i really need help thinking of appropriate songs...i cant use anything > from > blue, for the roses, court and spark-for personal reasons. > > please can someone think of a nice song that could work for a funeral? > > thank you. > > arkay > > _________________________________________________________________ > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious > email. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 > 12008 > > !DSPAM:144,49204caa223493439889526! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:04:21 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Song for a funeral I like Stay In Touch, for obvious reasons. I keep in touch with my mom ever since I lost her in 96. She is always in my thoughts. I remember doing an interview with someone during the Hurricane Mitch Relief efforts and a reporter asked me where I got my strength to keep going and I told that I had lost my mom who I had been so close with during life and while I grieved horribly for months I realized that I had never been as close to her in life as I am after I lost her in the physical sense. My deepest sympathy to you and I wish you peace and understanding. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 16, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Arkay Adkisson wrote: My mother passed away on friday and i am in charge of her funeral arrangements. She was very devout join fan, and i would like to play a joni song during the service. the only song i can think of is of joni singing both sides now from the all star tribute to joni mitchell, but the only copy i have of that song has all sorts of applause on the track, and there is no version on itunes that i can find. i really need help thinking of appropriate songs...i cant use anything from blue, for the roses, court and spark-for personal reasons. please can someone think of a nice song that could work for a funeral? thank you. arkay _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:18:13 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Love is a story told, from Connecticut Savoring A Proud Moment For State Susan Campbell November 16, 2008 Hartford Courant In the end, the moment was quiet as dawn  and every bit as significant. The lawyers filed in, the room settled, and a robed Judge Jonathan E. Silbert emerged from his chambers. After years of contention, within 10 minutes on Wednesday morning, Silbert signed off on a recent state Supreme Court decision that ruled same-sex marriage legal in Connecticut. And just like that, in a bland New Haven courtroom, a load was lifted. The eight plaintiff couples in Kerrigan vs. Connecticut Department of Public Health  some of whom brought their children  sat quietly, a few nodding, a few in tears. This past week, Connecticut joined Massachusetts as the nation's only two states that grant gays and lesbians full citizenship. It's a distinction not lost on the plaintiffs, who asked that one of their attorneys, Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders' Bennett Klein, say in court how proud they are to live here. We all can be proud. On Wednesday, the opposing sides shook hands. On the elevator ride down after the hearing, Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, whose staff argued against the plaintiffs, cordially crowded with others into an elevator with Anne Stanback, Love Makes a Family's inflappable leader. Blumenthal called the decision "historic." In the courtroom's lobby, plaintiff Jeffrey Busch walked over to shake Blumenthal's hand, and the attorney general smiled when Busch said, "It was a tough case to argue, and I'm very happy with the outcome." Would that everyone would be so gracious. In Connecticut, the good news of marriage equality was coupled with voters on Election Day resoundingly defeating the question of a constitutional convention, which was seen as a portal for introducing an amendment that would ban same-sex marriage. But the state's celebratory air stood in stark contrast to the rest of the nation, where voters in four states chose to turn the clocks back to the bad old days and rip rights from their gay and lesbian fellow citizens. California voters passed  52 percent to 48 percent  Proposition 8, which inserts into the state constitution: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." The proposition was loudly supported by, among others, the Roman Catholic and the Mormon churches. Church leaders insisted their opposition to same-sex marriages not be construed as "hostility" toward homosexuals. Oh, no? Precisely how does one politely take away rights? Arizona and Florida banned same-sex marriage as well, and in Arkansas, voters went even further by barring unmarried couples from adopting children. Though the law applies to heterosexual couples, too, proponents said they specifically wanted to thwart the "gay agenda." Ah, yes. That. Raising families. Enjoying full citizenship. Providing homes for children who wouldn't otherwise have them. There's your gay agenda. People who oppose same-sex marriage often say that gays and lesbians who wed threaten the institution of marriage, if not our whole culture. That's hysterical hyperbole. Here in Connecticut, the state Supreme Court's decision came down five weeks ago. All across the state, same-sex couples have been applying for marriage licenses since Wednesday and as far as I can tell, life has gone on much the same as before. The birds chirp, the sun rises, and families move fearlessly and faithfully into the future. At least, some families do. As for the rest of the country, Connecticut's prayers are with you.*****What she said. Hoping the feeling will spread, written on the wind, Patti P.P.S. If any of you missed Keith Olbermann on this issue, "about the human heart", voila. It's powerful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUecPhQPqY&feature=related _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:27:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC 2009 SoCalFest My heart is already all a-flutter thinking about the combination of youse two. And just wait til you hear Barry Cahill thrown into the musical mix. Boy O Boy, can't wait for September. Bob NP: Ben Kweller, "Jerry Falwell Destroyed Earth" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:24:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Song for a funeral Arkay, Please accept my sympathies for your loss. How about just using the orchestrated BSN that Joni recorded for her 2000 album of the same name? That's pretty much the same arrangement, and obviously no applause. If that doesn't work for you let me know & I'll check out the quality and applause level for the live track that I have. Bob NP: The Brains, "In The Night" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:51:29 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: first Joni? Court and Spark was my first, at age 15, and it hooked me for life, so I'd go with that one. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:47:52 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: njc, Love is a story told, from Connecticut - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Parlette" > Patti P.P.S. If any of you missed Keith Olbermann on this issue, > "about the > human heart", voila. It's powerful. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUecPhQPqY&feature=related > My aunt called me specifically to alert me to the Oberman piece. It hits the nail right on the head and states my feelings better than I could. It's worth a look and listen. Thanks for posting the youtube link, Patti. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:15:14 +0000 From: hannah green Subject: RE: Song for a funeral I am having both sides now at my funeral i think it is a perfect conclusion of life please also accept my sympathies for your loss aswell xxx> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:24:35 -0800> From: scjoniguy@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Song for a funeral> To: inkedmamajama@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org> > Arkay,> > Please accept my sympathies for your loss. How about just using the orchestrated BSN that Joni recorded for her 2000 album of the same name? That's pretty much the same arrangement, and obviously no applause. If that doesn't work for you let me know & I'll check out the quality and applause level for the live track that I have.> > Bob> > NP: The Brains, "In The Night" _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:20:57 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Margaret Atwood NJC Cassy said  That would be "The Blind Assassin", Rian. It's a very intricate story and woven very well. mike in bcn agrees, but warns rian (or any other potential buyer) about reading the version published by Anchor Books in May, 2001. It has many, weird errors where, for example, 'W' gets transposed for 'fi', producing the following words (among many others): 'fireaths' for 'wreaths'; 'The supreme sacriWce' for 'the supreme sacrifice'; 'fiinifred' for 'Winifred', 'aVord' for 'afford', 'stYing', for 'stuffing', 'speciWed' for 'specified', 'fiill' for 'Will', 'Wghting' for 'fighting', 'Wve spoons' for 'five spoons' etc including my favourite, 'the Appian fiay', in Rome. Also other, sloppy proofreading includes 'Nell Gywn', the 'fist' instalment, and here's a belter; "fie had to wght fire with fire". I wrote to Atwood and the publishers years ago but nary a word. mike in Barcelona, glad to be out of the why religion sucks, debate. NP - Kate Rusby - All God's Angels ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:31:49 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Margaret Atwood NJC Mike, that's just weird, and quite frustrating i imagine. i saw something similar in a book i was reading recently although it was not as prominent as that. it really confused me for a while. GARRET (clearly not the brightest cat in the bag) On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Mike Pritchard wrote: > Cassy said That would be "The Blind Assassin", Rian. It's a very > intricate story and woven very well. > > mike in bcn agrees, but warns rian (or any other potential buyer) about > reading the version published by Anchor Books in May, 2001. It has many, > weird errors where, for example, 'W' gets transposed for 'fi', producing > the following words (among many others): 'fireaths' for 'wreaths'; 'The > supreme sacriWce' for 'the supreme sacrifice'; 'fiinifred' for 'Winifred', > 'aVord' for 'afford', 'stYing', for 'stuffing', 'speciWed' for 'specified', > 'fiill' for 'Will', 'Wghting' for 'fighting', 'Wve spoons' for 'five > spoons' > etc including my favourite, 'the Appian fiay', in Rome. Also other, sloppy > proofreading includes 'Nell Gywn', the 'fist' instalment, and here's a > belter; "fie had to wght fire with fire". I wrote to Atwood and the > publishers years ago but nary a word. > mike in Barcelona, glad to be out of the why religion sucks, debate. > NP - Kate Rusby - All God's Angels ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:33:29 -0800 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: first Joni? Yeah, Court and Spark would be my first pick. Depends on the person, though. Blue or For the Roses would be good ones for the right person. On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Kate Johnson wrote: > Court and Spark was my first, at age 15, and it hooked me for life, > so I'd go with that one. > > Kate > > > http://xoetc.antville.org > Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:45:35 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Margaret Atwood NJC Hi Garret, It *was *frustrating until I found the Rosetta Stone which allowed me to see what the transposition really was, although some of the other mistakes were unconnected to this transposition of letters. Really weird because obviously every page of the novel contained the letters 'w' and 'f'' but the errors only appeared on some pages. Great novel though. I'm enjoying the music you gave me in fest, I have thrown very little away, so congrats and thanks for that. best, mike 2008/11/16 Garret > Mike, that's just weird, and quite frustrating i imagine. i saw something > similar in a book i was reading recently although it was not as prominent as > that. it really confused me for a while. > GARRET (clearly not the brightest cat in the bag) > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Mike Pritchard wrote: > >> Cassy said That would be "The Blind Assassin", Rian. It's a very >> intricate story and woven very well. >> >> mike in bcn agrees, but warns rian (or any other potential buyer) about >> reading the version published by Anchor Books in May, 2001. It has many, >> weird errors where, for example, 'W' gets transposed for 'fi', producing >> the following words (among many others): 'fireaths' for 'wreaths'; 'The >> supreme sacriWce' for 'the supreme sacrifice'; 'fiinifred' for 'Winifred', >> 'aVord' for 'afford', 'stYing', for 'stuffing', 'speciWed' for >> 'specified', >> 'fiill' for 'Will', 'Wghting' for 'fighting', 'Wve spoons' for 'five >> spoons' >> etc including my favourite, 'the Appian fiay', in Rome. Also other, sloppy >> proofreading includes 'Nell Gywn', the 'fist' instalment, and here's a >> belter; "fie had to wght fire with fire". I wrote to Atwood and the >> publishers years ago but nary a word. >> mike in Barcelona, glad to be out of the why religion sucks, debate. >> NP - Kate Rusby - All God's Angels ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:50:43 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: njc, Love is a story told, from Connecticut You're very welcome, Mark. Thanks for the good reception. It's so simple, isn't it? I hope he reached some new people, opened some hearts and minds. Speaking words of wisdom, let it be! Et quelle coincidence that you write from Washington. I have two very dear friends there. They are from Latin America. One is a professor in a tenure-track job, getting a green card. Her partner is still a student. If she can't eventually get a job and a green card, she will be deported. Isn't that, as KO said: "Horrible. Horrible!" Now if they could marry, they wouldn't have to worry about the Immigration Man. I hope the rest of the country will feel the winds of change emanating from CT and MA. The answer is blowing in the wind. xo, pp NPIMH: Stills: If you smile at me, I will understand 'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. Crosby: I can see by your coat, my friend, you're from the other side, There's just one thing I got to know, Can you tell me please, who won? Stills: Say, can I have some of your purple berries? Crosby: Yes, I've been eating them for six or seven weeks now, haven't got sick once. Stills: Probably keep us both alive. Wooden ships on the water, very free and easy, Easy, you know the way it's supposed to be, Silver people on the shoreline, let us be, Talkin' 'bout very free and easy... Horror grips us as we watch you die, All we can do is echo your anguished cries, Stare as all human feelings die, We are leaving - you don't need us. Go, take your sister then, by the hand, lead her away from this foreign land, Far away, where we might laugh again, We are leaving - you don't need us. And it's a fair wind, blowin' warm, Out of the south over my shoulder, Guess I'll set a course and go... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti Parlette" > > Patti P.P.S. If any of you missed Keith Olbermann on this issue, > > "about the > > human heart", voila. It's powerful. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUecPhQPqY&feature=related > > > > My aunt called me specifically to alert me to the Oberman piece. It > hits the nail right on the head and states my feelings better than I > could. It's worth a look and listen. Thanks for posting the youtube > link, Patti. > > Mark in Seattle > _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:55:33 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Simpsons' crossword puzzle and ensuant JMOCD Cher(e) Victor and BM and CoT and you know there may be more Simpsons' fans: I'm doing the Sunday crossword puzzle (by Merl Reagle) and had to stop to share the note: "Tonight's episode of The Simpsons' is the one featuring Will Shortz and me in cameo roles. So in today's puzzle, asterisks indicate answers that contain characters from the show. For an inside look at how the show came about, visit www.sundaycrosswords.com after 10 p.m. Sunday." And now a true confession: whenever I do the Sunday puzzle, my JMOCD gets ramped up, either by the clues or the answers, and I start singing Joni songs! Par example: 79 across: Hotel waiter? ("sitting in the lounge of the Empire Hotel") 87 down: Screen door sound ("late last night I heard that screen door slam") 56 across: Solar wind particle ("we're only particles of change, I know I know") 35 down: Place for a pin ("ink on a pin") 102 down: An ___ detail ("and any eye for detail caught a little lace along the seams") 128 across: Turn blue? ("periwinkle blue medallions" or "blue-ooo-oooo-oooo---ooo-ooo-who" or "blues inside and outside my head", etc.) You get the picture. Does this happen to anyone else? Do YOU think I was crazy? ; ) xo, pp, back to the puzzle (BTW, the word "puzzle" does not appear in any Joni lyrics. I just checked.) _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:22:43 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: NJC - Sharing... Was feeling all emotional and stuff yesterday on the anniversary of my father dying. Listened to Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennet, Nat King Cole, Andy Williams and other songs that reminded me of him. When we were young we didn't own a TV, we listened to the radio for entertainment and now, sometimes, my friends get a grin out of me knowing the words to "Tammy" and "I Left My Heart in San Francisco". My father worked for Roland Corporation for years until his health began to fail; my brother, Simon, had his photo taken at the age of 7 or 8 at a NAMM show in 1977 on a spectacular drum set. They used the photo in one of the subsequent magazine layouts. I have a copy if anyone is interested in seeing it. Just reminiscing and getting out some of my feelings. Warmly, Cassy If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #292 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------