From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #291 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 16 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 291 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Ani D coming to NJ - NJC ["Joanna Lanza" ] Re: Dream JoniCovers ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Ani D coming to NJ - NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 [Bob Muller ] margaret atwood njc [Mags ] Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 ["Jerry Notaro" ] Covers, covers, and oh yes - Covers! [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Kate Bennet ["Mark Scott" ] Re : A new Joni cover [Joseph Palis ] Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 ["T Peckham" ] Re: Whatcha gonna do???/Bo(NJC) [Catherine McKay ] RE: Whatcha gonna do???/Bo(NJC) ["Rob Argento" ] Hejira Album Cover Photograph [William Waddell ] Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 [Vince ] Re: margaret atwood njc ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:22:13 -0500 From: "Joanna Lanza" Subject: Ani D coming to NJ - NJC Hello Joni Listers, Just wanted to shout out that I'm going to an Ani show this Tuesday at the Count Basie Theatre in Red Bank, NJ. She's promoting her new album Red Letter Year, which I haven't had a chance to listen to yet because my school schedule is so overwhelming. It's rare I get to a concert, or even go out to dinner right now, so I'm excited and wanted to share. Anyone on this list going? I know Bob is a fan, but I don't think you live in NJ. (Still loving the Copenhagen bootleg you sent a while back) Just wanted to chime in and say hi to everyone on the list. Love reading it from top to bottom. - -- "Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." Nietzsche ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:15:22 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Dream JoniCovers Some real cool suggestions! I'd like to hear Pretenders-Raised On Robbery Sheryl Crow-California Rickie Lee Jones-Just Like This Train Amy Winehouse-Offnight Backstreet > 1. Alison Krauss - I Had A King > 2. Alanis Morissette - Dog Eat Dog > 3. Stevie Nicks - Turbulent Indigo > 4. Bjork - Judgment of the Moon and Stars > 5. Radiohead - Shadows and Lights (using Kid A album style) > 6. John Coltrane - Paprika Plain. (i just can't think a sax player as good > as him) > 7. Coldplay - Slouching Towards Bethlehem > 8. Sheryl Crow - Chinese Cafe > 9. U2 - Hejira > 10. Tori Amos - Facelift (Litte Earthquake style) > 11. John Mayer - If > 12. Bob Dylan - The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey > 13. Norah Jones - Blue Motel Room > 14. The White Stripes - The Jungle Line > 15. The Dixie Chicks - Jericho > > > Enough for 1 album. > Another suggestions? > > Rian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:59:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Ani D coming to NJ - NJC Hi Joanna - Red Letter Year is a knockout & I'm sure you'll love the show. She hasn't announced any dates close to me yet (South Carolina) but I'm keeping my ear to the ground. Thanks for checking in. Bob NP: Ed Harcourt, "God Protect Your Soul" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:12:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 Firstly, I wanted to post an update to the story about St. Mary's here in Greenville. The Diocese stepped in and basically stepped in and negated what the priest had said: http://tinyurl.com/5rxcw7 As for religions - of course Christianity is the most intrusive and bothersome in American culture, but all of them are centered around mythology and all of them believe that THEIR belief is the only way one can be saved, reach nirvana, ascend to heaven and what all. Hopefully one day they can find a way to coexist but the same history books you told me to check out tells me that it ain't necessarily so. Bob NP: The Rievers, "Discontent of Winter" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: margaret atwood njc Garret wrote: thanks for passing along this story Patti. I like Wally Lamb's writing very much. I Know This Much Is True really blew me away. I had a similar experience with Margaret Atwood (and i don't think she is known for being terribly friendly when there are long queues wanting her signature). She was so very gracious and genuine. I didn't think to mention Joni though;-) now moi: whilst writing about his love for the story telling of Wally Lamb, Garret also mentioned one of my favourite writers, Margaret Atwood. Yes, she shares much with Joni Mitchell, at the very least, they received their star of fame in downtown Toronto during the Joni Hommage week of celebrations. When I worked at the bookstore at the airport, here in the Peg, I had the pleasure of countless conversations with authors, famous and not so famous, but all heroes in their own write ;-) .... One evening, my manager and I stood in line to have our Atwood books signed when Margaret was in town a couple of years ago. Ms Atwood is a bright spark, possesses a wry, dry sense of humour, and has a twinkle in her eye as she watches in anticipation to see if you get what she's on about. love it! I watched her read from the Penelopiad, which was her current book at the time, a wonderful revision of the Myth of Penelope and Odysseus, as only Atwood could do. Her slight of hand, with words, the way she side glances as she reads, seemingly holding back her school girl grin, ready to burst at the seams at her own clever self. At the end of the reading, Margaret greeted each and every one of us who waited to receive a few moments of her time, plus the coveted autograph. The reading/signing was at another book store, not really competition but still.. The owners were standing en guard behind Margaret, when I arrived at the table. I presented her with my loveworn copy of Cat's Eye (fav) and then heard myself ask her if she would stop by the airport and sign our books in the shop. (all the while wondering who this eejit was who dared to ask such a thing in front of the McNallys ;-) anyway....Margaret looked at me, reached into her bag for her itinerary for the next day, and said absolutely, that she would ask her driver to bring her to the airport half an hour earlier so she would have extra time to spend there in my shop. I was psyched! And my boss thought I was mad for asking, but what the hay. Sure enough, the next morning, in walks Ms Atwood, same said wry smile, happy to fulfil my request. She signed every book in the place (hers of course ;P) . We had a great conversation for what seemed never ending. I was nervous, (squealing inside with excitement) . Kind of like pre: Shadows and Light with Claudia and Lucy at Fest a few years back, alas and alack, I digress ;-) Seriously, with Atwood standing there, I couldnt engage my brain terribly well, but she helps you to feel comfortable and carries the conversation with grace and kindness. We talked about the coincedence of the handmaid theme making another appearance in Penelopiad. She's just so damned clever and I felt like I was privvy to a private lecture at school. She is very, very funny, which Im not sure many folks realise. as i write this, i have moved far and away from the book industry and it makes me sad. as i know there are readers here, and readers who enjoy canadian fiction, i thought you might like a head's up on some books. in previous posts i've recommended the book 'three day road' by joseph boyden, i can now recommend his second book 'through black spruce'. boyden identifies with the community of first nations in general and his two books give voice to the communities in the 'real' northern ontario at the foot of hudson bay. brilliant writer who carves his stories deep into the canadian shield. his stories are the stuff of legends. with blood and grass stains on his knees, he claws into the soil, the myre, and yet he celebrates the extraordinariness of ordinary life in the day to day. as readers, we get to walk a mile or ten in his mocassins. as it stands, joseph boyden lives in nawlins, teaches creative writing, as does his wife amanda. Mags in -11C Winterpeg ;-)) i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:57:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 One of the big reasons I left the Catholic Church and became a Unitarian Universalist years ago. They are the only major world religion that does not have a creed and believes that there is no one true religion. How outrageous this priest declares anyone who votes for a pro-choice candidate has committed mortal sin. Just because you choose to give others a choice does not mean it is the choice for you. Jerry Bob Muller wrote: > Firstly, I wanted to post an update to the story about St. Mary's here in > Greenville. The Diocese stepped in and basically stepped in and negated > what the priest had said: > > http://tinyurl.com/5rxcw7 > > As for religions - of course Christianity is the most intrusive and > bothersome in American culture, but all of them are centered around > mythology and all of them believe that THEIR belief is the only way one > can be saved, reach nirvana, ascend to heaven and what all. Hopefully one > day they can find a way to coexist but the same history books you told me > to check out tells me that it ain't necessarily so. > > Bob > > NP: The Rievers, "Discontent of Winter" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:02:07 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: RE: margaret atwood njc I'm not familiar with her works. But i think i saw her novel displayed at local bookstore. I forget the title. But it contains "Assassin". Gonna check it tomorrow. Maybe buy one. Rian Reading lots of Maya Angelou this week. I love her "I Know Why Caged Bird Sings" and of course "Still I Rise" Does my sexiness upset you? Does it come as a surprise That i dance like i've got diamonds At the meeting of my tights? ~Maya Angelou~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:07:49 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Whatcha gonna do???/Bo(NJC) AHA!!!!! Whatcha gonna do? Tomorrow's Sunday!!! Go to church????? Here's my take on religion..first, I try to make it a practice never to talk money, religion or politics, especially if I don't have any Zantac or Tums with me, that eventually leads to grabbing three or four of those new GasX strips!! First, a question: How would that priest know who voted for Obama? It's a fact: we all fight personal demons...some of us more intensely than others at times, but you probably won't exit this dimension without suffering, dealing with the astonishing feelings of grief, self-doubt and, eventually, for those of us who won't have the luck to die sleeping in our beds or dropping dead from a massive heart attack, we're all going to fight some horrendous disease and we're all going to be confronted with times of incredible sorrow. So, for me, whatever, however, with whatever belief you rely on, however and with whom or whatever can help you through, I am, without question, supportive. But, I've found that money is truly the root of all evil; other people, who I feel I know so well, have political beliefs that knock the wind out of me (and send me flying for those GasX strips); and I have learned, throughout the years, to accept (and I have this thing inside of me that doesn't integrate any feelings of judging another human being) every person's "take" on religion...their take on how to get through life with as much joy as possible. But, throughout history, right up until tomorrow, when Bob's local priest will be playing the role of his interpretation of what his god wants him to do (and that makes me crazy...to hide behind a belief for self-interest), we all can point to various examples of how religion is used to manipulate the masses, to scare little kids to death, to quiet the sweet right of each individual to question...everything, anything..and not to be met with an answer like, "Well dear, that's God's will." President-elect Obama ignites the strongest of feelings..positive or negative..in everyone. I can go on for hours about how I feel about Barack Obama...essentially that he is a gift to us from somewhere (put in your own word)...but this isn't about one man (who just might save and change our country and the world). This is about every single person's journey through their life, and how they use so many defense mechanisms to make it through. No, I'm not saying that religion is a defense mechanism, but religion presents a person with a set of beliefs and rituals to hold them steady in good times and in rough and tough times. I don't think I pray...I know I think deeply about different people, about different situations...and I have these thoughts, in various intensities throughout my conscious hours. My belief is to treat everyone gently...to really listen when someone is talking, without thinking about what I want to say in response...my belief is not to judge other people...I haven't walked through their lives...I don't know what provokes their behavior...my belief is to lend a helping hand, in however and whatever I can possibly do, to ease someones anguish or to celebrate someones good fortune and happiness. I believe in being honest...completely honest...with everyone, in whatever it is that I'm saying or doing. That's enough!!! Now, I'm going to sing with Joni, love my dogs, water and sing to my plants, clean the glass on the frames in my gallery, drink a cup of strong java, do whatever I can to help my sister get through her every single day of intense back pain, call my mother and brother...help them through their day, try to make them laugh and tell them how much I love them..try NOT to think about myself and what I think are all my troubles. For nourishment, I look deeply into each of my four dog's eyes and see and feel their magnificent unconditional love...and then have a ball sharing treats and having some fun for and with them. For nourishment, I will extend a hand, in whatever way I can, to some dear friends who are struggling...and, then...IT'S SATURDAY NIGHT, AND I'M HAVING ICE-CREAM...LOTS OF IT!!!!!! Here...catch..I threw each of you petals of love. Bo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:28:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Covers, covers, and oh yes - Covers! Thanks Jerry for the scoop on the Callaway cover, I've added it to our page, as well as the BSN I found today from French jazzer Valerie Graschaire, which finally puts me at the 600 mark! Whoo-hoo! Now it's on to 700. Also pretty jazzed about a new cover of "Chinese Cafe" from vocalist Celia Slattery who has a BSN to her credit and digs a bit deeper into Joni's catalog this time around. Plus, if you're in the holiday mood (and retailers certainly hope you are) the 2008 Christmas albums with "River" covers are out there from jazz banjoist Bela Fleck, Sixpence None The Richer and Rosie Thomas - and you know there may be more. And since we're already at mid-month, it's time for another retro-covers issuance, so here is Volume 32, a real potpourri of sounds: http://tinyurl.com/6mj8tv With tracklist as follows: 1. European Jazz Trio - Both Sides Now 2. Marie Fredriksson - For Free 3. Phantoms of Future - This Flight Tonight 4. Calamity Jane - Woodstock 5. Marc-Marie - Both Sides Now 6. Tar Heel Voices - Big Yellow Taxi 7. Christine Sullivan - Be Cool 8. Gianluca Mosole - Woodstock 9. Jacqui & Bridie - Both Sides Now 10. Mary Hopkin - Night In The City 11. Albert & Gage - River 12. Allyson Paige - You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio 13. Keith Lyn - Both Sides Now 14. Libby Titus - Michael From Mountains 15. Min - Big Yellow Taxi 16. Shadows & Light - Big Yellow Taxi 17. Shadows & Light - Chinese Cafi 18. Shadows & Light - Twisted 19. Shadows & Light - Woodstock 20. Harpers Bizarre - Both Sides Now 21. The Retards - Big Yellow Taxi 22. Something Extra - A Case of You Some very rare and hard-to-find tracks on this one. And if you missed the latest Volume # 106, that link is still going strong until Nov 22: http://tinyurl.com/59mnh7 Bob NP: Ani, "Trickle Down" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:42:52 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 Well actually, Hinduism doesn't believe they are the only or best religion so I wouldn't speak for everyone. They think all religions are essentially the same and are very open in that respect. They don't harass people to convert to their religion either. I guess I'm just very surprised at the cynicism as far as religion goes in this thread. I've always thought religion to be an obvious good when stripped down (and not tampered with as it sometimes is). Who would have thought? In a way, since all these doctrines and holy books were written long ago, any person can take any passage and make it mean whatever they please. That is a problem with religion that people create. When you get too self righteous, it causes a problem. However, religion itself creates a little hope for people to hold on to. Just as you might have your family to hold on to or we all may have Joni to listen to and relate to in good and bad times, religion is there for anyone to hold on to. It serves that purpose if not anything else. I can understand that in our world. We all need a little hope in some way or another. I don't think you need a church or a temple or a priest or whatever to be connected to God or a higher power. I think those are these for the people who do need them. Some people need a church to feel connected.....to hear sermons....to be with others who feel the same way....something tangible. Then again, some people can just be at home and be at peace with themselves and a higher power if that is what they believe. This church you speak of is a great example on how religion gets corrupted. People take religion and use it for their own agenda. Instead of it being something positive as it was intended to be, people twist it into something negative. I don't believe Obama is mentioned in the bible as the antichrist as so many whackjobs seem to say he is (though I haven't read the bible and don't care to). - -Monika - --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Bob Muller wrote: Firstly, I wanted to post an update to the story about St. Mary's here in Greenville. The Diocese stepped in and basically stepped in and negated what the priest had said: http://tinyurl.com/5rxcw7 As for religions - of course Christianity is the most intrusive and bothersome in American culture, but all of them are centered around mythology and all of them believe that THEIR belief is the only way one can be saved, reach nirvana, ascend to heaven and what all. Hopefully one day they can find a way to coexist but the same history books you told me to check out tells me that it ain't necessarily so. Bob NP: The Rievers, "Discontent of Winter" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:55:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Dream JoniCovers, now Left of Center Joni Covers Acquired taste choices for Joni covers for sure, but I'd like to hear/imagine: B Mark Kozelek - Same Situation Tracey Thorn - See You Sometime Les Georges Leningrad - Carey Daniel Johnston - Ray's Dad's Cadillac Vieux Farka Toure - You Turn Me On I'm A Radio Anne Sofie Von Otter - Furry Sings the Blues Fleet Foxes - The Jungle Line Bang on Can - Empty (Try Another) Ornette Coleman - Overture -- Cotton Avenue Tom Waits - Love Diamanda Galas - Banquet Kadim Al Sahir - The Tenth World (his overdubbed vocals substituting for all the congas) Innocence Mission - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Melinda Doolittle - Hana Kirov Orchestra - One Week Last Summer - -M-B - Don's Juan's Reckless Daughter Bert Jansch - Harlem in Havana B The chances of these performers doing a Joni cover may be remote but hey Aretha sang 'Nessun Dorma' and Little Richard perfomred 'I Feel Pretty'. - --- En date deB : Sam 15.11.08, Randy Remote a C)critB : B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:04:57 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: NJC Wjy religion sucks, part 348 I'm not a very religious person, but when times get real scary Ive seen people become religious. I believe religion was created by man as a code to treat others and encourage civility. Anyway this was just sent to me and I thought it pertained to this thread. If not, I'm sorry I wasted the bandwidth. Take care, gene The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary. My confession: I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees.. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees. It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in ; Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away. I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat. Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to. In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking. Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Katrina) Anne G raham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?' In light of recent events... Terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill , thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK. Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little pers onalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK. Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.' Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell Funny how we believ e what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:07:56 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Kate Bennet Hey Kate, If you get a chance would you check in and let us know what your situation is? It's been looking pretty bad in the SB area. Hoping you are safe and untouched by the fires. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:04:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re : A new Joni cover Jerry, B I like AHC too. She is a very gifted jazz vocalist and songwriter. Her songwriterly skill is more Dave Frishberg than Regina Spektor which makes her aB bit anachronistic. I think as 'Carey' is a difficult song to sing if one sings it a la Joni, AHC will acquit herself really well. She did a version of 'Twisted' which is part of Bob's Joni cover catalogue which is extremely well done. B Saw AHC in NYC in 2005 and she is quite, what's the word.... effervescent? Anyway, she is really funny and likes to poke fun at herself. And did I say that she possessed one of the loveliest alto voices in town? Love a female singer with a deep voices. B Joseph in very windy Chapel Hill np:B Wroclaw Chamber Orchestra - Respighi's Trittico botticelliano - --- En date deB : Sam 15.11.08, Jerry Notaro a C)critB : De: Jerry Notaro Objet: A new Joni cover C: joni@smoe.org Date: Samedi 15 Novembre 2008, 10h09 From one of my favorite performers. Saw her NYC a few years back: Tony-nominated singer-actress Ann Hampton Callaway will release her latest solo recording, "At Last," in February 2009. The Telarc Jazz disc, which celebrates romance, will arrive in stores Feb. 3, 2009. Expect original songs as well as tunes by Cole Porter, Stevie Nicks, Harold Arlen, Joni Mitchell, Chick Corea and more. The new recording, according to press notes, "is a mix of jazz standards, versatile pop songs and a couple original tunes, each woven together to create a narrative that is perhaps as cinematic as it is musical." In a statement Callaway said, "I always think of CDs like movies. You wouldn't download one scene from a movie. You want the whole thing, the whole story. An album shouldn't be just a bunch of songs in a sequence that's front-loaded with hits. It's really about creating an emotional journey that starts in one place and ends in a place that's very different." Callaway is backed by pianist Ted Rosenthal, bassist Jay Leonhart and drummer Victor Lewis. Guest musicians include guitarist Rodney Jones, violinist Mads Tolling, saxophonist Teodross Avery, flugelhornist Marvin Stamm, trombonist Wycliffe Gordon and percussionist Emedin Rivera. The complete track listing for "At Last" follows: "What Is This Thing Called Love?" - Cole Porter "Comes Love" - Lew Brown, Sammy Sept, Charles Tobias "Carey" - Joni Mitchell "At Last" - Mack Gordon, Harry Warren "Spain" - Arte Maren, Al Jarreau, Joaquin Rodrigo, Chick Corea "Lazy Afternoon" - Jerome Moross, John Latouche "Landslide" - Stevie Nicks "Save a Place for Me" - Ann Hampton Callaway "Over the Rainbow - Yip Harburg, Harold Arlen "Finding Beauty" - Ann Hampton Callaway "On My Way to You" - Alan and Marilyn Bergman, Michel Legrand Not only a singer, Ann Hampton Callaway is also an acclaimed songwriter, whose works have been performed by Barbra Streisand, Patti LuPone and dozens of others. For her Broadway bow in Swing!, Callaway garnered a Tony nomination for Best Featured Actress in a Musical, and her many recordings include "Ann Hampton Callaway," "Bring Back Romance," "To Ella with Love" and "After Ours." Callaway is also a recipient of 14 Manhattan Association of Cabarets and Clubs (MAC) Awards. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:42:10 -0600 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > > ". . . I guess I'm just very surprised at the cynicism as far as religion > goes in > this thread. " I'm surprised too---only pleasantly. ;-) I always figure I'm in the minority re my views on all things "religious," so it's kinda refreshing to hear similar sentiments expressed. As for cynicism, often it develops over time, due to experience. This is not always the case, but I think it might be somewhat a generational thing. A lot of baby boomers started out life in a very optimistic time (well, for white folks, anyway) and grew up hearing some very idealistic and charismatic people amongst the usual politicians and leaders. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was, of course, a religious leader, but one whom a lot of non-believers could get behind. Now we've endured more than a decade of being beaten about the head with the clubs of the "Religious Right," "Moral Majority," "Rapture"-addled, KarlRovian-organized mob, Mr. Rove himself a non-believer. Talk about cynicism! :-( > > ". . . I don't think you need a church or a temple or a priest or whatever > to be > connected to God or a higher power. I think those are these for the people > who do need them. Some people need a church to feel connected.....to hear > sermons....to be with others who feel the same way....something tangible. > Then again, some people can just be at home and be at peace with themselves > and a higher power if that is what they believe." Egg-zactly. But here's the problem: Too many church-going people don't practice what they preach. Each to his own beliefs, or lack thereof, i.e., religious tolerance, just isn't good enough for a lot of these folks. And most of them are too easily led by the fearmongers who preach the sort of nonsense Bob's talking about. Which would be one thing if it were just a few nut-jobs confined to small congregations. But these people want to LEGISLATE *everyone's* behavior, and thanks to (what used to be) the Republican party, they've been able to organize and implement their narrow beliefs not just in churches, but in schools and in all levels of government. So for me, in that context (and in many others), yeah, religion SUCKS. When's the last time a group of atheists and agnostics boycotted a church? Blew up an abortion clinic and its doctors? Organized as a political force and demanded that only non-believers could teach, sit on school boards, or run for office? When have gays and lesbians sought to ban *opposite-sex*marriage? And throughout history, how many wars have been started and waged between those who deny the existence of god and those who merely question it? Pretty absurd, eh? As everyone else has stated, I mean no disrespect to anyone who thinks differently than I do, and I feel that everyone should be free to practice their religion. I do not believe, however, that anyone of any faith has the right to impose it on others in the form of laws that seek to restrict others' rights. (Which I know no one here advocates.) Terra P.S. Any other Bill Maher fans here? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:38:50 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Rock For Kids Auction - NJC For those of you who are interested in this kind of thing and possibly able to bid, the 20th annual "Rock For Kids" auction will be taking place very soon. For a preview of some of the items check out: http://www.rockforkids.org/RockAuction2008/ Warmly, Cassy NP: Echo and the Bunnymen - Back of Love If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Whatcha gonna do???/Bo(NJC) - --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Peep Richman wrote: > First, a question: How would that priest know who voted > for Obama? There would be a mark of some kind on your forehead. Like S for Sinner. Ha ha. Just messin' witcha! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:56:46 -0500 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: Whatcha gonna do???/Bo(NJC) Actually you could tell the Obama supporters by that little almost Mona Lisa smile on their faces. It was especially obvious those first few days after the election as eyes met and you simply KNEW. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:51 PM To: joni@smoe.org; Peep Richman Subject: Re: Whatcha gonna do???/Bo(NJC) - --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Peep Richman wrote: > First, a question: How would that priest know who voted > for Obama? There would be a mark of some kind on your forehead. Like S for Sinner. Ha ha. Just messin' witcha! 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A set of 60-odd pics from throughout the years at:http://www.last.fm/music/Joni+Mitchell/+images/7012651WtS _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:15:03 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Whatcha gonna do???/Bo(NJC) - --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Rob Argento wrote: > Actually you could tell the Obama supporters by that little > almost Mona Lisa > smile on their faces. It was especially obvious those first > few days after > the election as eyes met and you simply KNEW. > Yeah. Priests hate that. ;-) __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:35:33 -0500 From: Vince Subject: Re: NJC Why religion sucks, part 348 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:42 PM, T Peckham wrote: > > When's the last time a group of atheists and agnostics boycotted a church? Last Sunday maybe? Tomorrow maybe? > > Blew up an abortion clinic and its doctors? Organized as a political force > and demanded that only non-believers could teach, sit on school boards, or > run for office? When was the last time atheists and agnostics raised tens of millions of dollars for food and medical relief for others, opened schools and colleges because education was a high value, opened hospitals in damn near every town they could, and were first responders in the aftermath of tsumanis, hurricanes and other natural disasters? When was the last time atheists and agnostics organized and operated 24/7 protests at the School of the Americas,? Without churches and synagogues, the peace movement in this country (such as it is) would be a shadow of what it is. And the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights (now named the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice) has a long and valiant record in the struggle for a woman's personal choice, and has supplied solace and support and backbone to many a politician in the fight to preserve choice. Hey, some whack job priest says something stupid somewhere, is corrected by his superiors, and this is supposed to be an indictment of people of faith? > When have gays and lesbians sought to ban > *opposite-sex*marriage? Oh, gays and lesbians are a different category than people of faith? I'll be happy when the atheists and agnostics join the United Church of Christ, the Ev. Lutheran Church in America, the Episcopal Church, the National Council of Churches, Reformed Judaism, and other religious bodies and organizations in lobbying for gays rights and against hate in the national and state capitals of this country. Look up the record of the Lutherans in Sweden and Denmark,among others. > And throughout history, how many wars have > been started and waged > between those who deny the existence of god and those who merely question > it? Pretty absurd, eh? Hey, some whack job priest says something stupid somewhere, is corrected by his superiors, and this is is supposed to allowed people who are not of faith to claim a moral high ground? Give me a break. Given that we just finished a century where some of the great wars and genocides and mass murders were conducted by people opposed to faith (Hitler, Stalin, Mao) that is a rather spurious contention. And don't give me any BS that "we as atheists and agnostics don't want to be associated with Hitler, Stalin, and Mao because they weren't good atheists and agnostics" and then deny me the right as a member of the clergy to pick and choose who you judge us by. The answer to the "start the war question" is World War 2, at least. Those who know we from the days I joined when I signed my posts (the Rev) know that I am a person of faith, and a member of the corporate religious establishment. Also know I have never made a claim for the superiority of my faith over any other type of faith or lack of faith or non faith or opposition to faith that there there may be. And also know that I hold no brief for the stupidity and sins and crimes of the Church and of the history of the people of faith. Right now the Hindu nationalist party in India is poised again to resume its active hate on Muslims and continue their massacres of Muslims in which they have excelled since the partition. But while some people of faith were complicit in Holocaust, it was the Church and the Church alone in German society that stood against Hitler from the very beginning (via the Pastors Emergency League) and worked against Hitler in every possible way including the July 20th assassination conspiracy for which theologian Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer and many others were executed. The Rev Martin Luther King was not some sole solitary person of faith in the civil rights struggle. Without the Southern Christian Leadership Council and churches throughout the nation, there would have been no civil rights movement, for churches were its seed bed, meeting places, sanctuaries, and headquarters, which is why the list of martyrs is replete with believers and why churches were bombed. The sins of the people of faith are many, but so are the sins of the people not of faith. There is no moral superiority on any side of any equation. Many here were sinned on by the Church and I have no problems understanding why many here (or anywhere) have no use for the Church or Judaism or any religion, or have left the religion of the childhood for something that makes sense to them or works for them. (I've done the same as Jerry, finding a place in a faith community other than that in which I was raised.) I understand and concur and support those who have no use for religion in any form. Just please know that I am your agent on the inside of organized religion is on your side. Some whack job priest says something.. or a collection of whack job religious people do something offensive such as the Mormon funding of the Prop 8 campaign (and I have little regard for Mormonism by the way, and a lot of anger towards their activties)... but there are church bodies who fight consistently for GLBT rights, fight daily, and have taken courageous stands. Note how Barack Obama mentioned gays first in his speech on election night - Obama learned gay rights at Trinity UCC in Chicago from his pastor, who is deeply committed to gay rights, the Rev Jeremiah Wright. He was reinforced in that by the Rev Jesse Jackson of the Rainbow Coalition. It is a damn crime that many gays and lesbians joined their white racial group in the hate attacks on Wright and the generations of hate attacks on Jackson rather than support those who have said, very clearly, God damn all forms of hatred and enslavement and oppression. There are a lot of white gays and lesbians who should be on their knees repenting for identifying with white hatred of black leaders such as Wright rather than knowing what his life long message has been - despite what they saw on youtube clips. Remembering that the greatest crimes of the 20th century were committed by those who despised faith, I'll gladly join in any discussion of the sins of the people of faith - but those who think their non faith is somehow superior to faith, I'll simply smile at their Jerry Farwell type arrogance and occasionally ask, who the hell are you trying to kid? Those who believe in God or believe in the spirits or Spirit or in some way, their own way, acknowledge something within nature or by whatever name that they recognize that there is something beyond our own selves and is greater than our own selves, by whatever name, under whatever understanding, those should not stand condemned by those who deny anything greater or beyond our own human-ness and see human-ness as the end in itself, nor should they condemn those in return, for to condemn at all from any perspective without recognition for reality is a denial of humanity. Condemnation should be reserved for racism, sexism, and any form of human discrimination, division, hate, or separation, and should not applied as a stereotype which in itself is just another way to alienate humans one from another. sometimes proud to be and sometimes embarrassed to be but always (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:01:50 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: margaret atwood njc From: <<< I'm not familiar with her works. But i think i saw her novel displayed at local bookstore. I forget the title. But it contains "Assassin". Gonna check it tomorrow. Maybe buy one. >>> That would be "The Blind Assassin", Rian. It's a very intricate story and woven very well. Cassy NP: Chaka Khan - My Funny Valentine ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #291 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------