From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #286 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 12 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 286 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: joni [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: More Kilauren [Monika Bogdanowicz ] "What about Obama?" [frednow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: RE: joni And I am always somewhat envious of you on the list who got to grow and change with Joni throughout the years! Ah, to anticipate a new album.....to go to the record store with that excitement in your heart as it comes out.....to be able to see Joni live....these are things I miss that I never even experienced. However, through you folks on the list, I can sort of capture the essence of the feeling of such experiences. - -Monika - --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: All kidding aside, I am always somewhat envious of young people like you and Hana who can totally digest her body of work at once and listen without prejudice as opposed to those of us who were aware of the career progression and weighed the new releases against the old ones. Bob NP: Joe Henry, "Shut Me Up" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Although Joni is in the public eye, I do think there are some things you shouldn't talk about, such as the morality of Joni giving her child away. That all comes down to courtesy regardless if it involves someone famous or not. - -Monika - --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Kate Johnson wrote: On 11-Nov-08, at 12:08 PM, Marion Leffler wrote: "Some claim that Joni had no moral right to ever sing about love after having given up her child." It never fails to amaze me when people display such a lack of understanding about what it takes to give up a child for adoption. To give up a child whom you love, in the belief that the child will be given a stable home and family that you yourself can't provide, is a tremendous sacrifice and comes from caring more about the child than about yourself. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:51:56 -0500 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: "What about Obama?" "What about Obama?" That's what a friend said to me in Spring 2004 when he asked who I was supporting in that year's senatorial primary race. Ironically, at that time my brother-in-law worked for a woman who had thrown her hat in the ring as a contender for the Democratic candidacy for senator. She seemed OK to me, not extraordinary, but fine. So I mentioned her name in answer to my friend's question. His reply: "What about Obama?" Indeed. When he gave his outstanding key note address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, I thought "THAT'S the person who should be president of the USA. I was deeply moved and inspired, and at that moment I felt like he was my president. Of course, that was long before he announced his own presidential candidacy, but not that long before others were urging it. Here was someone with a bright and progressive world view, with a history of serving others, especially the neediest among us, and a legacy of bringing disparate viewpoints together to reach common ground. Extremely intelligent, self-aware and self-examining, well-educated, charismatic, a natural leader. Much has been made of his oratory, which is magnificent. But some complain that "it's only words." Well, there are words, and then there are words. Words mean something, words are important, words are the vehicle with which we carry intent, character, emotion, ideas, and vision. Without a doubt, deeds must follow words, and it remains to be seen what Obama's deeds will be. But based on his past deeds, based on the content of his character (ref. MLK, Jr.) and the content of his words, it's a good bet that good deeds will follow his good words. These are heady times, and, frankly, it's still difficult to totally wrap my mind around it. It keeps hitting me over and over, and I get verklempt and tear up when I hear the headlines on the radio start with "President-elect Barack Obama ... " In the 1960s Bobby Kennedy had said it was conceivable that in 40 years we'd have an African-American president, but honestly I never really believed it was possible in my lifetime. When I was a kid, African-Americans did not even have the legal guarantee to vote, and now an African-American has become president. If that's not enough to instill hope in anyone, then nothing will. This is a sea change, a monumental leap forward in human consciousness. But it's not just that Obama is the first African-American president, it's not just that he's one of the most brilliant minds, it's not just that he's potentially one of the most progressive presidents ever, it's not just that his vision of masculinity is the antidote to that bullshit cowboy macho thing, it's not just that we finally have a president who is truly committed to social justice, it's not just that he inspires so many around the world, it's not just that the election was so inarguably decisive or that he's our first president in a while who actually was elected, and it's not just that the world needs someone like him so desperately right now ... it's all of those things and much more, and it's blowing my mind. I wasn't at the Grant Park celebration, although I kind of wish I had been. Seeing all those beautiful, joyous people, it occurred to me that, finally, Cheney's prediction had come true in a way: Obama and Biden were greeted by the American people as liberators. Regime change begins at home! We stayed home watching the returns on TV and had a lovely time ... my wife and I drank a bottle of champagne, and we let our young daughter stay up until Obama's speech was over, near midnight. She was positively giddy, infected by the ebullient mood (no, she did not drink champagne even though I offered her a sip), and although we tried to explain, she doesn't yet fully understand why Mom and Dad were crying and laughing at the same time. I can feel that the frequency of the planet has changed. What a great time to be alive! I've never been prouder to be an American. All the best, Fred - - Fred Simon http://myspace.com/fredsimon ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #286 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------