From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #285 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 11 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 285 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Kilauren/My Feelings/Bo [Laura Stanley ] first post ["James O. Phillips" ] Re: first post NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Tuesday Morning From Bo [Peep Richman ] SoCal Fest dates are booked [Dave Blackburn ] joni [hannah green ] Re: joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: joni ["Jamie Zubairi Home" ] Re: joni [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: joni [hannah green ] Summer time! ["Marion Leffler" ] JMDL and the 90th Anniversary of the end of WW1 (NJC and long) [Patti Par] More Kilauren ["Marion Leffler" ] RE: joni [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] RE: joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] NJC Now Re: Joni's Daughter???? From Bo ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: joni+ travelogued dancing clown [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] Re: joni [Garret ] Covers 106 - Fired up & ready to go! ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Covers 106 - Fired up & ready to go! [Bob Muller ] RE: joni [hannah green ] Re: joni+ travelogued dancing clown ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Summer time! ["Mark Scott" ] Re: joni+ travelogued dancing clown [Bob Muller ] for a good time njc [Vince ] Wally Lamb loves Joni! [Patti Parlette ] Re: joni [Monika Bogdanowicz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Kilauren/My Feelings/Bo Bo wrote: I'm sure that there are many people who rob her of being her...and just relate to her as Joni's daughter. Personally, I wish, for her, that she could sing, not like Joni, but in her own way...a very talented, individualistic way. My heart goes out to Lauren. Imagine discovering that Joni Mitchell is your mother. That would land me on the couch for too many years to count. Hi Bo, Kilauren robbed of being her? I don't even think Joni could rob her of being her. Killers aren't easily robbed. And, you wish "she could sing, not like Joni, but in her own way?" Have you watched the video? She is so much herself in style! I think she's having fun being Joni's daughter. Rather than landing her, she's more likely to be on the sea, on the couch of a big sailboat... top deck in the sun. You'll get her eventually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6KKYGvwkH8 Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:25:59 -0600 From: "James O. Phillips" Subject: first post After re-subscribing after a hiatous decided to post for the first time. I am a 33 year old Joni Mitchell fan. First exposure to Joni was in my mid-teens, with the Last Waltz soundtrack version of Coyete, and the Blue album. Most treasured Joni release I have is the World Of lp that was a compilation of the first 4 albums that came out in Australia and New Zealand. One I won't sell (well for several hundred dollars if the price is right LOL.) In addition to Joni, my tastes in music run very eclectic to say the least. On my MySpace link, every couple of weeks on my blog I share what I've listened to cd wise. Should give a good clue as to my eclectic tastes. I also play guitar, autoharp, and lap dulcimer - tho not at once at the same time Like others, am glad that McCain/Palin did not win, or would have considered move for my partner and I to Canada or somewhere more tolerant then the US. Be well, and hope to be an active participant. Best James O. Phillips Urbana IL USA http://www.myspace.com/mrjop1975 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/autoharpsenthusiasts/ http://onevoiceattitude.googlepages.com "I believe I've finally made it home, I believe that with me there is nothing wrong" I Believe I've Finally Made It Home written by Nona Hendryx, recorded by Labelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:37:20 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: first post NJC Hi James, and welcome back - I applaud your eclectic tastes and am wondering what your favorite releases of 2008 are. As for the Australian LP, it generally brings about $15-20 on the open market, so it looks like it's yours for a while. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Why Does The Sun Shine?" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I was referring to how a majority of people might be comparing her to Joni. I think that's realistic. If this sounds defensive, I'm sorry...I don't feel defensive. I think it's easy to lose your footing when you find out something traumatic, especially something as monumental as discovering you're Joni Mitchell's daughter. I think I fell into the comparison thing and then realized..sub-consciously..that I didn't like that about myself and am trying to work out what my real feelings are about Kilauren and Joni finding one another. I didn't like the cover...I don't think Kilauren has much of a singing ability. I don't know her so I can't say if she's cool or anything about her. I have a gut feeling that she's a very sensitive woman...a woman who can explore a lot about her self and life. That's all. Very sorry to hear about Miriam Makeba. She was a beautiful, oh so talented woman. R.I.P. Hope you are all having a wonderful day. Bo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:08:13 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: SoCal Fest dates are booked Dear potential SoCal Festers, I have talked to The Creekstone Inn (http://www.creekstoneinn.com/ index.html) today and reserved these dates for our 09 Jonifest: Sept 24-27. Robin and I are driving up there next Monday to look at the rooms in person and ask any questions we (or any of you) may have. This is getting very real folks. Of course the next thing is to secure the reservation with a deposit, so if you know you will come please send $105 US ($100 + $5 to offset the Paypal fee on my end) to my email address asap. I'm following Lucy's program here as it was so brilliant, and will likewise establish a Yahoo group for the definite Festers to join so we can communicate offlist. I need $1000 to secure the facility for the event so the first 10 people will enable me to clinch it. Some of you have told me they need more time to come up with money and that's fine if those that can pay now would. Although it's way early to discuss travel, you should know that if you are flying in, Palm Springs International airport (PSP) is the one to get to, either direct or continuing from LA. Palm Springs is just down the mountain from Idyllwild (45 mins drive I believe) and is a very short mini-flight extension from LA. I'm hoping to arrange a van pickup for festers flying in to Palm Springs on the Thursday and a drop on the Monday, volunteers willing. thanks, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:39:50 +0000 From: hannah green Subject: joni Hi my name is hana this is my 1st post on here bin lurking for a while now so i thought it was probably time to indtroduce myself! Well I'm 19 and currently studying geography at the university of Southampton in England!!! I love reading your guys posts so i thought it was time i joined in! At the moment Joni Mitchell is pretty much my live i guess i could say i listento her for around 5 hours a day! For her bday i listened to her solidly for 24 hours in respect i guess some would call tht sad, i just call it dedication! My favourite songs are both sides now (the 2000 version), come in from the cold, carey, how do you stop, sire of sorrow (travelogue version) and also i like dancin clown (what are all your thoughts on this song as i know many joni fans dont like it). Have any of you seen Joni live? It kills me that i probably never will, watching her perform both sides now at her tribute concert can bring tears to my eyes at the thought of never seeing her in person! Do u think she will ever tour again despite the claims that she finds it impersonal and doesn't enjoy it. I know she is 65 now and it would be a strain but she still has such a beautiful voice even after all these years, I often prefer her later versions of songs. I have my own youtube channel dedicated to Joni, with live recordings aswell as her songs with the lyrics and pictures incorporated into the videos, so if you are interested here is the link http://uk.youtube.com/user/hanbanxxx subscribers are gratefully appreciated as I have only just started uploading my videos :) Thanks for my time and i promise to participate more in these discussions! much love hana xxx p.s. i hope this has worked!!! _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:11:29 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: joni Well hey there, Hana - always nice when someone steps out of the shadows and comes in from the cold! Welcome! I did the same thing on Joni's birthday, playing her music all day long, and it just reminded me of the depth and importance of her body of work. I am decidedly NOT a fan of "Dancing Clown" but the song does have a lot of fans here so have no fear, you can love it all you like. I do like the Steve Stevens guitar riffs in it anyway. I have seen Joni live - twice, and late in her career (1998, 2000). Great shows. I do think Joni will be making some more one-off appearances, though a big-scale tour is not something I personally see her doing. Although one thing about Joni - she is predictably unpredictable so keep your hopes alive. And how cool that your name is even a Joni song title - you are fated to be a fan! Looking forward to reading your postings. Bob (also scjoniguy, also the covers guy, also "Hillbilly Bob", and you know there may be more...) NP: Stevie Wonder, "Creepin'" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:18:10 +0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi Home" Subject: Re: joni Hannah Green's name is TWO Joni song titles.... (well, kinda) :-P Welcome Hannah, form Jamie Zooby in London 2008/11/11 > Well hey there, Hana - always nice when someone steps out of the shadows > > And how cool that your name is even a Joni song title - you are fated to > be a fan! Looking forward to reading your postings. > Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:51:51 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: joni Hi Hana, Glad you figured out how to post. I hope I was of some help to you. I know you had told me you were playing Joni all day on her birthday, as many of us did. I've had the pleasure of seeing Joni perform 3 times, but all have been since '98. Like Bob said, at 65 I doubt she'll be doing any tours. I'm still hoping that I'll get to see a rare appearance. I like your favorite songs, (except Dancing Clown), but there are some on the list who really like it. Jimmy NP : Covers #106 ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/ha ppy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:08:31 +0000 From: hannah green Subject: RE: joni haha although i must confess that on my birth certificate my name is spelt hannah, but after ahe released shine i altered it to hana, i had been dreaming she was gonna release a song called hana for months before she did! And yes i am also little green aswell nearly had that put on my old school hoodie but at 18 i didnt feel so little anymore!!! And to all you have seen Joni live i am so jelous but i am so hoping for a one aff apprearance i would fly anywhere in the world and pay amy price for a ticket so fingers crossed. And i love your phrase about joni being predictably unpredictable :) much love and thanks for you all being so friendly :) also to any of you who have facebook here is the link to my page :) http://profile.to/hana29xxx/ hana xxx > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:18:10 +0000> From: jamiezubairi@gmail.com> To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com> Subject: Re: joni> CC: hannahxxx@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org> > Hannah Green's name is TWO Joni song titles.... (well, kinda) :-P> > Welcome Hannah, form Jamie Zooby in London> > 2008/11/11 > > > Well hey there, Hana - always nice when someone steps out of the shadows> >> > And how cool that your name is even a Joni song title - you are fated to> > be a fan! Looking forward to reading your postings.> >> > Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to:> http://www.justgiving.com/zooby> > Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at> > http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1> > acting CV and showreel at> http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749> > http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk> Facebook me!> > Everest Blog:> http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:50:15 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Summer time! Just found this on youtube on this rainy, windy, dreary, dark November evening in Sweden and it really brightened up my world! Never heard (of) it before, though. Hope you all enjoy as much as I did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fnk9pAXp40 Marion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:04:57 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: JMDL and the 90th Anniversary of the end of WW1 (NJC and long) Dear Anita and Lieve and Everyjonibody: This is such a beautiful story! ("Love is story told, to a frie-eh-nd.....") I've been wanting to reply to this post ever since I read it, but I've been, uh, well,you know.... off my Baracker! But since today is Veteran's Day I am taking up Anita's call: "I would ask everyone nextTuesday, November 11th, to remember all victims of all wars everywhere and,in particular, the endless rows of young men lying in the fields ofFlanders." Fait accompli. As someone who is living with war in her heart, everyday, this is easy to do. Shine on dying soldiers in patriotic pain. Shine on all the veterans who have given so much. (npimh: "Find the cost of freedom....") Shine on Lori and Gene, and all the other veterans on this list. Shine on all the victims of war, and the children. The children! Shine on both of my grandfathers (my maternal one fought in both WWI *and* II - -- legend has it that he lied about his young age to get in). Shine on my dearly departed dad and Ms. Rizzo's dearly departed dad who both served in the USMC. Richards, both. Shine on my Uncle Don who was a POW in Korea, and my two brothers. Shine on Anita's great, great Uncle, Guillaume Batselier. "There's a poppy wreath on a soldier's tomb" today. Shine on ALL our troops. And bring them home, please. (Are you there, God? It's me, Patricia Margaret.) Amen. (I guess that was a little prayer I just sent up.) And back to Lieve and Anita and Steph: I am just so moved by your connection and your trip and all. My little Belgian connections/random memories: I hitchhiked through Belgium on my way to Amsterdam ("maybe I'll go to Amsterdam...") and it was beautiful! (the MOA cassette was in my backpack!). All the churches and markets et des fleurs and the countryside.....la belle Belgique! I used to make a great Carbonnades a la Flamande...from Julia's "Mastering the Art of French Cooking" (come up to my kitchen and I'll show you my best recipes...). And then there was the German expressionist Kathe Kollwitz (there's an umlaut in her first name), an artist who helped form my peace activism back in college. Her younger son (only 18) was killed at Dixmuiden, Flanders. "Her silent lines penetrate the marrow like a cry of pain." (Gerhart Hauptmann) You might want to look at her works when you return. Her stuff is very powerful. Like Joni, she can evoke so much with just a few lines on a page. Okay, enough inchoate blathering from me! I must scramble out down in the street to grab lunch before Proud-Headed Queen Lizzie drives her quick lunchstand away. I'm very hungry now, for a sweeter fare! Have a wonderful time in Flanders, ladies. And may peace be with us all. Yes, we can! Patti P. NPIMH: Fiddle and the Drum Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:30:35 -0000From: "Anita Tedder" anita.tedder@dsl.pipex.com I would say that one of the things I bring to this list is an ability to getmisty eyed and moved by the people I have met, both in person and via email,who belong to the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. I have been supported when Steph and I were having a really hard time from agroup of lads and, over the years I have been on this list, there have beennumerous occasions when someone has sent a few kind words or understoodwhere I have been coming from on some issue or other. It is for this reasonI want to share publicly and express thanks for all the kindness and supportI am currently receiving from Lieve. As with so many of my Joni experiences,I am amazed by a set of coincidences/synchronicity about my relationshipwith Lieve, so I just wanted to share it on the forum. Firstly, my Mother is Belgian and I met Lieve at Joni Fest 2003 in at FullMoon in New York state and when I found out she was Belgian, was reallysurprised. A Belgian woman of my generation passionate about Joni! And wetravel across the Atlantic to meet and she even looks a bit like Joni! Itwas wonderful. In addition, the Belgian part of my life has always been abit unknown to me for lots and lots of reasons, so meeting Lieve meant agreat deal. One thing I did know about my Belgian family was that my great grandmother,Louisa, took my Mum on holiday along the Belgian coast in the early 1930s,and they stayed in a resort called De Panne. They spent a lot of timevisiting the military cemeteries all long the coast, trying to find a gravefor Louisa's brother, my great, great Uncle, Guillaume Batselier. Guillaumehad not returned and had been killed in action in 1914. Through the wonders of the internet and World War 1 forums, this year I havemanaged to find out that Guillaume was killed in the Battle for the Yser.After very fierce fighting, the sluice gates were opened and, in theinundation, many soldiers were drowned. It is likely that Guillaumedisappeared in the waters near a place called Pervijze and was never found. As a consequence of this research, I have been invited to attend the 90thcommemorations of the end of World War 1 by the Belgian people I have beenin contact with. I am taking a poppy wreath and a ceramic plaque with aphotograph of Guillaume in his uniform on it, to lay in his memory. WithoutLieve's help, I would not have been able to understand many of the emails Ihave been sent, nor been able to piece together the story. Lieve is making the trip with Steph and I to the commemorations in Belgiumnext week and, in an extraordinary co-incidence, we are staying with her inher flat (you guessed it) in De Panne. Lieve, thank you so very, very much for helping me find part of myself andhelping my family finally bring Guillaume home. I would ask everyone nextTuesday, November 11th, to remember all victims of all wars everywhere and,in particular, the endless rows of young men lying in the fields ofFlanders, With my love and grateful thanks Anita _____ "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows. connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:08:27 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: More Kilauren Since Laura asked me to I listened a couple more times to Kilauren on youtube. I still don't think it's all that great but I guess that's a matter of opinion and taste. It's an original version, I give her that. But I don't think I would buy any cd of hers. Never was into punk, if that's what it is. About being Kilauren and what that feels like - well, none of us know her personally (or do we?) and so we really don't know. I can only imagine that it must be complicated to discover that the mother you were looking for is a worldfamous megastar. It cannot have been easy on anyone involved but I think it must have been hardest on Kilauren. Just imagine hearing Little Green and realising it's a song about you, a song so many people have heard for so many years, maybe Kilauren, too (though she said in some interview that she wasn't a fan of Joni's so maybe she hadn't heard it). I guess that must have caused her emotions to go on a roller-coaster ride. Mags, the comments people made on youtube (I think the reunion clip) were not all kind. Some claim that Joni had no moral right to ever sing about love after having given up her child. I guess both Joni and Kilauren have heard comments like that. There is an article in the library of JoniMitchellcom by some journalist who really disses Joni. Such comments must also have contributed to complicating Joni's and Kilauren's relationship. Well, enough about that and on to easier things. Welcome, Hana! Good to have you with us. It's fascinating to meet the third fan generation! A peaceful evening, afternoon, midday, morning to you all. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:14:49 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: RE: joni So, you're 19. Well... I guess now i'm not the youngest anymore here. Well, i'm Rian. 22. From Indonesia. I just found Joni's music 2 and half years ago. And ever since, i became her biggest fan from a tropic country. I joined jmdl september07. Trust me, nice&great people dwell here. Hannah, you haven't told us how you found Joni. It's very rare for *young* people like *us* to be a fan of Joni. Most of us ended with Beyonce or Britney or (name a 5-membered rock band) If you see my email address, you.ll find that i'm not a type of fan who doesn't like Joni's 80's stuff. I like Dancing Clown. I love dancing to it. And i like Dancing Clown because it can be a great device to annoy Bob Muller. Rian NP- dancing clown (dedicated to me friend Bob) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:41:24 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: joni Could be worse...she could have done an orchestrated version on Travelogue. All kidding aside, I am always somewhat envious of young people like you and Hana who can totally digest her body of work at once and listen without prejudice as opposed to those of us who were aware of the career progression and weighed the new releases against the old ones. Bob NP: Joe Henry, "Shut Me Up" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:46:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC Now Re: Joni's Daughter???? From Bo Thanks Bo, glad to hear it makes you feel good. Thanks for listening! Kate www.katebennett.com > I can't make this computer begin new paragraphs...Kate, when I have the words to describe the calm, happy, ultra-sensitive way I feel when I listen to your CD, "Over The Moon" I'll write to you. I suggest that as many people as possible give themselves this extra-special treat. Very, very special treats.< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:02:12 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: More Kilauren On 11-Nov-08, at 12:08 PM, Marion Leffler wrote: "Some claim that Joni had no moral right to ever sing about love after having given up her child." It never fails to amaze me when people display such a lack of understanding about what it takes to give up a child for adoption. To give up a child whom you love, in the belief that the child will be given a stable home and family that you yourself can't provide, is a tremendous sacrifice and comes from caring more about the child than about yourself. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:41:33 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: RE: joni+ travelogued dancing clown The Dancing Bob wrote: Could be worse...she could have done an orchestrated version on Travelogue. >> I think i can imagine the song being Travelogued. I'm glad she didn't do it. But that'll be a better idea than travelogueing Coyote (which she did but didn't finish). No? But, what if the song RiverTheJoniLetter-ed? I mean, put Herbie, plus maybe Damien Rice and Lisa Hannigan, and get them to remake the song. That'll be a surprise. Most of us, before the release of River, could't even imagine Tea Leaf Prophecy being a jazz number. Remaking Dancing Bob will be a tough thing to do. I'd appreciate anyone who do that. Mmmm... Maybe Grace and Havoc will. Rian NP: Elton - Original Sin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:50:43 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: joni And i think many of us newer fans would love to have been around for original releases, for the excitement, without the fear that this might be the last album, the last live show, etc. Welcome to the list Hana, GARRET On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > Muller.> > > Could be worse...she could have done an orchestrated version on > Travelogue. > > All kidding aside, I am always somewhat envious of young people like you > and Hana who can totally digest her body of work at once and listen > without prejudice as opposed to those of us who were aware of the career > progression and weighed the new releases against the old ones. > > Bob > > NP: Joe Henry, "Shut Me Up" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Ta everso, as we say over here. very best PaulC PS Any chance of including Herbie's 'A Case of You' on the next batch (or have you already and I missed it?) I've got the album, but not the one with this track on it - and it is not available as a download at iTunes np Dipama by Richard Bona (playing the London Jazz Festival next week) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:18:41 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Covers 106 - Fired up & ready to go! I don't think I put that one on a volume, Paul - I'll send it along as a separate one. Thanks for the feedback - always appreciated. Bob NP: Elvis Costello & The Attractions, "My Three Sons" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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DC could be pulled off as an instrumental in a jazz style but it would be trickier with the lyrics, which are basically a novelty anyway. Bob NP: The Rolling Stones, "Happy" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:12:01 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc, Wally Lamb's new novel Dear Joniamigos: Wally Lamb's third novel is being released today. Finally, after 9 years, he's come done! : ) "It was slow in coming, and Lamb had the title in mind before he had the story. It comes from the classic hymn "Amazing Grace," while the titles of his two earlier books were from rock songs. "Music is integral to the process," Lamb says. "I play it while I'm writing." (Carole Goldberg) Naming your novels w/ song lyrics? Ha. Works for me and my OLQD! ; ) I'm really excited about the launch party tonight: Time: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:00 p.m.Location: UConn Co-opJoin us in celebrating the publication of Wally Lambs much-anticipated new novel, The Hour I First Believed. The Hour I First Believed is a richly complex yet fast paced novel populated with characters so deeply conceived that you will think of them and their lives long after you have finished reading the book. In The Hour Lamb has captured the essence of modern America through the events of the past decade. Though sweeping, the story resonates in a powerfully intimate and personal way. It is at once heart wrenching and hopeful. We expect The Hour I First Believed to win all the major literary prizes. Lambs reading will be a fundraiser for the purchase of books for the library at Langston Hughes Academy located in the Ninth Ward of New Orleans and for the KIPP to College Program of the KIPP McDonogh 15 School, which opened in 2006 to serve students and families rebuilding in New Orleans.. Lambs sons work in the schools, Justin Lamb at Langston Hughes Academy and Jared Lamb at KIPP McDonogh. They are open enrollment schools servicing a majority of low-income families. New Orleans suffered terribly from Katrina and still very much needs our help. Because this is a fundraiser, we ask that you pre-purchase at least one book to attend. The purchase of a book will give you two tickets for this very special reading. The bookstore profits on the sale will go to the schools. **** What a man, what a man, what a mighty fine man is this Mr. Lamb! His sons are helping out in New Orleans. (Hi Paz!) Wally fans (Hi Donna B and Bo and......) may want to read a little more: http://www.courant.com/features/booksmags/hc-wallylamb1107.art0nov07,0,149954 6.story There is also a short interview in my alumni magazine: http://www.alumnimagazine.uconn.edu/fwin2008/lastword.html "I do believe that life is both sad and funny. Sometimes the two are interfaced." "The writing of the story is my way of teaching myself what it means. But when Im done and I shove it out into the world, then I feel people will find their own meaning. Theyre entitled to do that. At that point, its not mine anymore." If I get the chance, I'm going to ask him notre Smurfy's question: "Do you know that Joni did not attend Woodstock?" Reference: "She's Come Undone" at http://jonimitchell.com/fiction/book.cfm Bon soir! Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_1120 08 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:14:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Covers 106 - Fired up & ready to go! Here ya go, Paul - for you and anyone else who might want to hear it: http://tinyurl.com/6cz5aw Bob NP: Elvis Costello & The Metropole Orchestra, "The Wedding" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0500 From: "Rachel Avery" Subject: Re: joni hi Hana, welcome to the list! I'm also 19...been on the list for a bunch of years now, don't post very often tho :P It's wonderful to see more people my age digging Joni. I did have the good fortune of seeing her live on the '98 tour which was incredible. As others mentioned, i wouldn't expect a full tour but some more small, one-off appearances probably aren't out of the question. I think the mega-venues that she had been doing on tours lead to it feeling impersonal...maybe some nice smaller venues could happen? I also love the songs you mentioned, again except for dancin' clown...Hejira is definitely my favourite album and i love the stuff around that time, but i must say DED and CMIARS have been really growing on me the last couple years. Hope to hear more from you! ===== rachel "Here we are, trapped in the amber of the moment. There is no why." - K.V. 2008/11/11 hannah green > Hi my name is hana this is my 1st post on here bin lurking for a while now > so > i thought it was probably time to indtroduce myself! Well I'm 19 and > currently > studying geography at the university of Southampton in England!!! > > I love reading your guys posts so i thought it was time i joined in! At the > moment Joni Mitchell is pretty much my live i guess i could say i listento > her > for around 5 hours a day! For her bday i listened to her solidly for 24 > hours > in respect i guess some would call tht sad, i just call it dedication! > > My favourite songs are both sides now (the 2000 version), come in from the > cold, carey, how do you stop, sire of sorrow (travelogue version) and also > i > like dancin clown (what are all your thoughts on this song as i know many > joni > fans dont like it). > > Have any of you seen Joni live? It kills me that i probably never will, > watching her perform both sides now at her tribute concert can bring tears > to > my eyes at the thought of never seeing her in person! Do u think she will > ever > tour again despite the claims that she finds it impersonal and doesn't > enjoy > it. I know she is 65 now and it would be a strain but she still has such a > beautiful voice even after all these years, I often prefer her later > versions > of songs. > > I have my own youtube channel dedicated to Joni, with live recordings > aswell > as her songs with the lyrics and pictures incorporated into the videos, so > if > you are interested here is the link http://uk.youtube.com/user/hanbanxxx > subscribers are gratefully appreciated as I have only just started > uploading > my videos :) > > Thanks for my time and i promise to participate more in these discussions! > > much love > > hana > > xxx > > p.s. i hope this has worked!!! > _________________________________________________________________ > See the most popular videos on the web > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:03:17 +0000 From: hannah green Subject: RE: joni Haha welli actually got into her from the scene in love actually, i heard that song and it just filled me with emotion then i had to listen to it constantly then i began to listen to her other music and became absaloutly obsessed! Ooh and also if u love dancing clown or even if you dont have you all seen joni's video of it on youtube dancing with her cat, makes me laugh so much! much love hana x> From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.cot> To: hannahxxx@hotmail.com> CC: joni@smoe.org> Subject: RE: joni> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:14:49 +0700> > So, you're 19.> Well... I guess now i'm not the youngest anymore here.> > Well, i'm Rian. 22. From Indonesia. I just found Joni's music 2 and half years ago. And ever since, i became her biggest fan from a tropic country. I joined jmdl september07. Trust me, nice&great people dwell here.> > Hannah, you haven't told us how you found Joni. It's very rare for *young* people like *us* to be a fan of Joni. Most of us ended with Beyonce or Britney or (name a 5-membered rock band)> > If you see my email address, you.ll find that i'm not a type of fan who doesn't like Joni's 80's stuff.> > I like Dancing Clown.> I love dancing to it.> And i like Dancing Clown because it can be a great device to annoy Bob Muller.> > > Rian> NP- dancing clown (dedicated to me friend Bob) _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:05:13 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: joni+ travelogued dancing clown - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: RE: joni+ travelogued dancing clown DC could be pulled off as an instrumental in a jazz style but > it would be trickier with the lyrics, which are basically a novelty > anyway. > Ok...so there has never been a 'jazz' song with a novelty lyric? And 'Dancin' Clown' tells no story at all? Aren't you a fan of Annie Ross's 'Farmer's Market', Bob? Oh well. It's all beans to me! ;-) Mark in Seattle (not the guy who's supposed to sell the beans, it's a means - to you...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:51:18 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Summer time! Marion, This is from Herbie Hancock's cd 'Gershwin's World'. Joni also sings a lovely verion of 'The Man I Love' on this record. Thank you for posting the link. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Leffler" To: "'JMDL'" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Summer time! > Just found this on youtube on this rainy, windy, dreary, dark > November > evening in Sweden and it really brightened up my world! Never heard > (of) it > before, though. Hope you all enjoy as much as I did. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fnk9pAXp40 > > > > Marion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:57:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: joni+ travelogued dancing clown Don't think I said that..."Salt Peanuts" comes to mind, or "Pennsylvania 6-5000". Are you saying that you can imagine the DC lyrics working in a jazz context? That's cool, I just can't hear it. I did say that, and I stand by the statement. Two hustlers talking to each other, and a girl walks by. Wow, now that's a helluva story - NOT. Nope, never heard of it. Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "Of Missing Persons" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:07:04 -0500 From: Vince Subject: for a good time njc next time you are shopping and the clerk gives your change or receipt or whatever and says, "have a nice day" respond by saying, "they have all been nice days since Obama was elected.!" People get so cheerful and they smile and they tell you such interesting stories about what the election meant to them - all worth it, very much so! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:38:31 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Wally Lamb loves Joni! What a great night with Wally Lamb. He loves Joni! (Warning: long and ooby shooby but all about Joni) I should write this tomorrow because I'm tired and in such a state, but I'm going with the Neil Young "strike while the iron is hot" philosophy so bear with me. It started out as "kind of a portrait of a disappointment" because my BFF called just an hour before the launch to say she was will ill and could not make it. Merde alors! It was such a shame (it's a shame, it's a shame, it's a crying shame) to waste a ticket to this sold-out event but there was no time to find another date. What are you going to do now? You've got no one to give your love to? But let's not talk about faretheewells now..... Where do I begin? Maybe at the end, in case I fade in this surburban room, because that was the best part. I waited almost two hours in line. What a waste of time in the UConn Coop, when I could have started my Christmas shopping (yep, it's comin' on Christmas) buying up Husky stuff. (They have a brand new t-shirt that says simply "UCONN", but the "O" is a peace symbol. My cup of tea for Tillerman!) Okay, so I FINALLY reach the signing table. Some people in front of me had 3 or 4 copies of his book to sign. He was chatting up Obama (Yes, we can!) with the people in front of me. My turn! He says: "I like your button!" (Yes, I'm still wearing my Obama button.) Deep breath. Me: "Thanks. Can you believe it?" He nods and smiles. Me: Congratulations, Wally!" W (warm smile): Why, thank you! Me: Oh, you're welcome. (The lady hands him my book to sign, that has a sticky note in it w/ my name on it, so he'll know what to write) Me: I'm from Jonimitchell.com. (I say this with great pride.) And we have a question for you. Did you know that Joni Mitchell did NOT attend Woodstock? There are hundreds of Joni fans who want to know. W (looks up at me quizzically, right into my eyes) (and mind you, he has been doing this for almost 2 hours, with fifty more people behind me in line): Me: You know what I'm talking about? You wrote that in your first book. When Naomi (sp?) talked about standing in line at Woodstock behind Joni Mitchell. W: Oh, yeah! At the port-a-pottie line (we said this simultaneously and we both laughed) You know, I'm not really sure! (Pause.) You know, I think I learned that AFTER I wrote the book. (Ha! Just like Joni....Wally Lamb never lies!) Me: I love your honesty! W (as he starts signing my book): Thank you. I love Joni. I have most of her CDs. I bought SHINE last year. Me: OMG. Isn't it WONDERFUL? He nods in total agreement. (Ecoutez, Cassy!) Then he mentioned some new compilation/tribute and I said I was embarrassed that even *I* did not have that one yet. He laughed. Then I said: "And what about Herbie Hancock winning the Grammy for best album of the year for the Joni Letters. Was that awesome or WHAT?" He nodded in hearty agreement, and then I said: "You probably heard me screaming that night! I live pretty close to you." (LOL....at this point I think the people behind me were saying "who the f@#$ is this chick taking up so much time?" Who do you think you are? Kitty Welles? (xo Smurfy) But I HAD to speak my Joni peace/piece, ya know? We were rolling, rolling, rock and rolling about JONI! My own shining two minutes w/ Wally.) As he was still writing in my book (probably with one eye out for the beat police security: Help Me! It's the Madwoman of Mansfield!) I told him: "Yeah, I am such a Joni nut that I can't seem to write a letter or an essay or ANYTHING without quoting her lyrics constantly. It's called JMOCD. He busted up laughing and said: "I understand! When my son graduated from Connecticut College, I gave the commencement speech and I quoted Joni, too." Me: REALLY? What did you say? W: Oh, gee, I can't remember right now (as he looks at the long line of people behind me) Me: Oh, it's okay. I'm so sorry! You are busy. There are so many people behind me. I'll let you go now. Maybe some other time.... W (with a very kind smile): Thank you, Patti. Nice meeting you! What a warm and wonderful man. Maybe tomorrow I'll find time to tell you about his talk and his reading. And there's some New Orleans stuff for Paz, too! To the sign off prayer, xo, pp, unedited/unproofed _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: joni Hi Hana, good of you to speak up! I am jealous that you are in England. That was once a country I yearned to live in when I was a teen (ah, the dream!). How do you like it? To answer your question, I have never seen Joni live. I was born in '85 and by the time I started liking Joni (back in October of '06), it seemed to be too late although I am one on this list that dares to dream that Joni will surprise us all again as far as live performances go. Afterall, she claimed retirement (and didn't write a song in ten years!) and then bam, we got Shine just like that. How unexpected was that? What do you think of Shine? - -Monika - --- On Tue, 11/11/08, hannah green wrote: Hi my name is hana this is my 1st post on here bin lurking for a while now so i thought it was probably time to indtroduce myself! Well I'm 19 and currently studying geography at the university of Southampton in England!!! I love reading your guys posts so i thought it was time i joined in! At the moment Joni Mitchell is pretty much my live i guess i could say i listento her for around 5 hours a day! For her bday i listened to her solidly for 24 hours in respect i guess some would call tht sad, i just call it dedication! My favourite songs are both sides now (the 2000 version), come in from the cold, carey, how do you stop, sire of sorrow (travelogue version) and also i like dancin clown (what are all your thoughts on this song as i know many joni fans dont like it). Have any of you seen Joni live? It kills me that i probably never will, watching her perform both sides now at her tribute concert can bring tears to my eyes at the thought of never seeing her in person! Do u think she will ever tour again despite the claims that she finds it impersonal and doesn't enjoy it. I know she is 65 now and it would be a strain but she still has such a beautiful voice even after all these years, I often prefer her later versions of songs. I have my own youtube channel dedicated to Joni, with live recordings aswell as her songs with the lyrics and pictures incorporated into the videos, so if you are interested here is the link http://uk.youtube.com/user/hanbanxxx subscribers are gratefully appreciated as I have only just started uploading my videos :) Thanks for my time and i promise to participate more in these discussions! much love hana xxx p.s. i hope this has worked!!! _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #285 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------