From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #284 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 11 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 284 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JoniMitchell.com ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: njc, Interrupting Joni's sorrow over the environment now njc ["Mike P] Re: Kilauren [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: JoniMitchell.com [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] RIP, Miriam Makeba - njc [Catherine McKay ] re: President Elect Obama, njc [richard2sf@gmail.com] Re: njc, Interrupting Joni's sorrow over the environment now njc [Cather] Re: RIP, Miriam Makeba - njc [Moni Kellermann ] Re: Joni's Daughter? ["Jamie Zubairi Home" ] Re : RIP, Miriam Makeba - njc [Joseph Palis ] Re: President Elect Obama, njc [marie ] morning morgen town on youtube [Mags ] Re: incredible little green live 1967 [Laura Stanley ] Pride, njc & Digest #279 from Election Night [Patti Parlette ] Re: Kilauren/My Feelings/Bo [Peep Richman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:44:38 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: JoniMitchell.com b +Please tell [publically or privately] what you feel the site needs, what it lacks, how it could be improved. Bring on the constructive criticism. b * I don't want to criticise, I'm very happy except for one thing I've mentioned many times here before and for many years but still no action, namely that people living in a non-anglo communities and countries cannot use our native, or in my case adopted, languages. We cannot recommend music from Brazilian, Welsh, Spanish, French or Catalan singers without the accents being screwed up and the result is crap. Also find a way to eliminate the 'B' and '9' symbols when people use quotes. I guess these are both html things and for me, that's what I'd like the most. There ya go. mike in barcelona np: Ja t'ho dirC) b L'univers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:47:07 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: njc, Interrupting Joni's sorrow over the environment now njc >>Why does the current president get to stay in office and the president-elect needs to wait (until Jan 1?)<< To have enough time to steal ALL the family silver? To have enough time to send all the $700 billion taxpayer's money to their friends on Wall Street? To have enough time to make contacts in the business sector so that they walk into a sweet, well-paid job when they leave office? Maybe I'm cynical, but isn't that what usually happens? mike in bcn np - David Mengual - Plaga George Orwell (that's a cedilla under the 'c' in the first word of the song) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:49:54 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Kilauren Catherine, I wouldn't worry about adding Kilauren as a friend on FB. It's what you do after that which could lead to stalking. I am certain Kilauren know that she is able to remove and block friends if it becomes necessary. I'm just being cautious because I don't want to get to that point (not that I would stalk anyone) but, she did accept me and I'm grateful for that. It doesn't get me any closer to Joni but I think she might be an interesting person in her own right. I do enjoy her profile page and her ramblings about her band, etc. I'm not even going to mention her mother. I'm not expecting her to join the JoniFest group but I sent the invitation to all of my friends and not all of them have joined. Kilauren is just a cool chick from Toronto in my opinion. Not the only one by the way. Mark in Sydney On 10/11/2008, at 7:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > I see her name as a "potential friend" too when I log onto > Facebook, but something about that kind of creeps me out. I don't > know her personally and it just seems weird to me to add her just > because I'm a fan of her mother's. In some ways, I wish Facebook > wouldn't do stuff like that. On the other hand, it has made me > aware of more jmdlers that are on and I've added them, but many of > you I've met in person or, if not, feel I "know" you (inasmuch as > it's really possible to know someone from posts they make to the > jmdl). > > Somehow, it just seems a bit stalkerish to me. And I'm not passing > judgement on anyone who might have added her to their list of > "friends,"so please don't anyone take it that way. I guess we all > deal with that in different ways. Now that I think of it, there are > one or two people on my "friends" list that I don't know at all, > but who asked me to be their friend because they're someone else's > friend and every now and then I wonder what the point of all that is. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:13:30 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: RE: JoniMitchell.com - -original message- b +Please tell [publically or privately] what you feel the site needs, what it lacks, how it could be improved. Bring on the constructive criticism. b * >>> Link to jmdl should be bigger. Gaudy if necessary. Yes, put a big big photo of Bob and Patti. I found 1 incorrectness in lyric section to be corrected: the order of verses of The Circle Game. And i want bigger picture resolution on "painter" section. And of course, updated biography. Well, somebody must continue Wally's work... Ah, but the point is, it should be new-fan friendly. Rian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:11:48 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RIP, Miriam Makeba - njc Another freedom fighter, dead at 76. Sleep well, Mama Africa: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/081110/entertainment/entertainment_us_safrica_makeba __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:16:49 -0800 From: richard2sf@gmail.com Subject: re: President Elect Obama, njc Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:51:52 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: President Elect Obama, njc President Elect Obama proves 1.) that the Bradley effect was not a factor. Americans are apparently not bigots this year. There was a theory that large numbers of whites who planned to vote for Obama would chicken-out at the last second. They didn't. 2.) If I recall correctly, Dr. King said that those of African-American descent would see long-term gains if economic gains could be made. This year, Obama raised more money than McCain. That may prove... a) the republican support for McCain was weak, or b) democrat support for Obama was strong, based on his views or c) support from the leading African-Americans like Oprah was powerful indeed. d) all of the above e) b & c f) a & c g) none of the above. If the answer was c, d, e, or f, Dr. King was correct. I think we saw a change so fundamental this month, that the repercussions are not yet understood. Jim L. Not all good news, even in the blue state of California, where 61% voted for Obama, but 52% voted to amend the state constitution and ban same sex marriage. I think Dr. King would be appalled, as most of us are. ~Richard in San Francisco, who is visiting in Florida now, which voted 62% to ban same-sex marriage: even worse. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:19:53 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, Interrupting Joni's sorrow over the environment now njc - --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Mike Pritchard wrote: > >>Why does the current president get to stay in office > and the > president-elect needs to wait (until Jan 1?)<< > > To have enough time to steal ALL the family silver? To have > enough time to > send all the $700 billion taxpayer's money to their > friends on Wall Street? > To have enough time to make contacts in the business sector > so that they > walk into a sweet, well-paid job when they leave office? He should be out on his arse. Right now. And speaking of sweet jobs, here's a few suggestions for W for future employment: - - entertainer, visiting kindergartens throughout the USA, reading stories - - guest lecturer on nucular physics - - head of a major peace organization, or Amnesty International ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:25:40 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: RIP, Miriam Makeba - njc Wie Catherine McKay so vortrefflich formulierte: > Another freedom fighter, dead at 76. Sleep well, Mama Africa: > > http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/081110/entertainment/entertainment_us_safrica_makeba http://picasaweb.google.com/kellerfrau/FemaleMusicians#5266994902685033938 moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:39:14 +0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi Home" Subject: Re: Joni's Daughter? Haha, thank you! Yes, I'm thankful for my semi-Asian genes! Being 36 and still kinda looking late 20s is a blessing sometimes except when you're casting bracket is late 20's and you're being put up against these young'uns who are fresh faced out of drama school! Yes, while Kilauren was blessed with Joni's beauty (in her 20's, Kilauren look absolutely stunning. If you have a myspace, have a search for Kilauren. A stronger faced version of Joni... and one of her pictures on myspace is Kilauren drinking a beer in Joni's pool. And I know it's Joni's pool as Joni had painted it for an album (though I can't remember which one). It's the painting with the dog by the pool and the lions head waterspout. And yeah, the rockabilly Morning Morgantown certainly isn't my cup of tea and 'Killer' clearly doesn't have Joni's singing style (or voice) but if she down-tempo'ed it a bit and added a few front porch harmonies, it's be a Country hit. Much Joni 2008/11/9 Catherine McKay > --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Jamie Zubairi Home wrote: > > > > This video IS from Joni's daughter. I guess she no > > longer looks like the > > early 30something that we first found her to be 11 years > > ago > > Unfortunately none of us (OK, maybe you, Jamie!) look like the > 30-somethings we were x-number of years ago (except maybe in our own minds. > Of course, some of us (Rian?) won't look like 30-somethings for another > decade or so. Jamie > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > - -- Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:06:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re : RIP, Miriam Makeba - njc Sad indeed. Mama Africa will be greatly missed. B For more of Miriam Makeba, please check out the documentary called Amandla: A Revolution in Four-Part Harmony. That, and her great legacy of recorded music demonstrating her distinctive way of singing, that clicking sound she makes, and the heart and soul she always gave when performing. B Joseph in Chapel Hill (still grieving...) - --- En date deB : Lun 10.11.08, Catherine McKay a C)critB : De: Catherine McKay Objet: RIP, Miriam Makeba - njc C: joni@smoe.org Date: Lundi 10 Novembre 2008, 20h11 Another freedom fighter, dead at 76. Sleep well, Mama Africa: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/081110/entertainment/entertainment_us_safr ica_makeba __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: marie Subject: Re: President Elect Obama, njc The irony is that blacks voters, who voted in a block for Obama, identify themselves as Christians, seven out of ten voted to strike down gay marriage. Blacks are typically socially conservative--red still runs through their veins. M Lester If the answer was c, d, e, or f, Dr. King was correct. I think we saw a change so fundamental this month, that the repercussions are not yet understood. Jim L. Not all good news, even in the blue state of California, where 61% voted for Obama, but 52% voted to amend the state constitution and ban same sex marriage. I think Dr. King would be appalled, as most of us are. ~Richard in San Francisco, who is visiting in Florida now, which voted 62% to ban same-sex marriage: even worse. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: morning morgen town on youtube chiming in with Catherine, I like Kilauren's cover of Morning Morgen Town, a lot. It's funky and fun. They look like they are having a blast with it, so that's fine with me. as far as the challenges of reunion with birth families goes, I"m sure it's been a series of ups and downs, given that both Kilauren and Joni live life within the realm of the public gaze. As Kilauren was a cover girl, she may be used to being in the 'lime' light. Btw, on her myspace, there's a gorgeous photo of her entitled little green.. And how 'do' you sort out who this stranger is that you are biologically connected to/with. Such musings are all part of the never ending story, which shifts shape constantly. Ive not seen the comments on the youtube video re: why Joni surrendered Kelly Green to adoption. Hopefully, the writers have been kind. Mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:56:45 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: incredible little green live 1967 Mark wrote: I'm not sure anyone has posted this to the list before but I don't remember seeing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AATdTSUfjk&NR=1 Mags wrote: Mark! what a fantastic find!! Ive never seen this either, the way she interprets this, and especially the way she sings the words Kelly Green at the end just about did me in. What a gift. thanks so much. Hi Ya'll, I opened this YouTube video of Little Green and am watching it, and right across from it is the YouTube video titled, "joni mitchell finding her daughter." There is something transcendent as Joni sings, "Kelly Green, be a gypsy dancer" and there is Kilauren in the picture all grown up and posed as if she's looking at Joni. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:31:12 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Kilauren Marion wrote: It can't be easy to be Kilauren, at least not after she became known as Joni Mitchell's daughter. I must say I wasn't impressed by the video on youtube and wondered why on earth she would put herself out there. She must know that everybody will compare her to her mother, especially since she chose to cover one of her mother's songs. Hi Marion, The video is way cool in my opinion! They are having so much fun in the garden! Watch it a few more times. Dig the sound! It cracks me up at the end when she grabs the camera! As for comparing Kilauren to Joni, she is like her mom without even trying. To compare them would be like comparing apples to apples. It doesn't surprise me she sings such a clever arrangement of the song. I can hardly wait for Just Like This Train! To me, it looks like Kilauren has a very easy time just being Kilauren. Kilauren, you go girl! Rock on! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:16:44 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Pride, njc & Digest #279 from Election Night First off, thank you Kate B. from CA (and also "Mr. Man") for sending the digest I was missing. I am amazed at how you could all write so coherently on election night. I was so overcome that, for once in my life (Steve Wonder TIC), I could not speak or write. (Does "wooooo hoooo" count as speech?) When the electoral votes seemed interminably stalled at 200-135, I felt like I was stuck in childbirth at 4 centimeters. Intense labor. Deep Lamaze breathing. Let's get this baby OUT! And when the announcement finally came....well, you all know how it felt. There are too many words and songs! Allelluia Chorus, and you know there may be more. I am amazed (quelle coincidence) by some things you said, Kate. As I have oft shared, the first time I heard Obama was in the Holiday Inn on Calle Real in SB/Goleta, with the phonebook on my lap, looking up your number. So I feel some kind of cosmic, spiritual connection. Just a few miles from chez vous. July, 2004. I was with my parents, and said: "Mom! Dad! Listen to this guy!" And now, four years later, he is our President-elect. (Pinch me!) And, both sides now, my parents are gone, like the turn of a page. But let's not talk about faretheewells now, the night is a starry dome of hope. You wrote: "All day long I was singing to myself 'Landslide' (it kinda works) wishing but not dare expecting such a thing." Moi, aussi! I had that song in my head for days, but dared not share it with anyone. I knew it could be bad luck to use the "L" word (like talking about a "no-hitter" in baseball before the fat lady sings), so it was my private little anthem. Now I can confess it. We climbed a mountain, and we turned around! Kate again: "I almost want to hang a flag out on my porch!" LOL, moi aussi encore une fois. My BFF called and we were screaming that we had to go buy a flag the next day. (TIC! Kisses like bright flags, hung on holidays....) Then I called my Circle Game son in Chicago, laughing and crying, and asked: "Where are you? Are you in Grant Park?" And he quipped, ever the jokester: "I'm at Republican headquarters." Kate again: "Still, last night & today I am singing a song I have always felt would be more appropriate as our national anthem & at this moment, am feeling the beauty of in my bones more than ever. "O beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain" Here is a version courtesy of Ray Charles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCEOgMAgmv4&NR=1 " Wow again. I felt that one in my bones, too! High-five across the fruited plain! Here's my little election day story: I voted first thing in the morning at the Eagleville Firehouse (just in case I had a heart attack later in the day and missed the opportunity). Then at lunchtime I had the urge for going to see more voters, so I jumped into my vehicle (with the JMDL-approved tires) to drive by another polling place in town, Mansfield Town Hall, where all the students vote. There were buses after buses filled with students pulling up in the paved paradise -- Peter Pan buses with hand-lettered "VOTE BUS" signs on them. I sat there and watched the students pouring out of the buses in droves. Like clowns in the circus getting out of VW bugs, the stream did not stop. I was moved to tears. (You're either on the bus, or off the bus, and these kids were ON the bus -- even though there was no driver at the top...LOL!) I didn't see them, but I heard later that both the men's and women's basketball teams were there to vote. Go Huskies for Obama! (I went to an Obama rally on campus election eve that was led by none other than our men's basketball coach Jim Calhoun, who told us that he worked for JFK and RFK when he was those kids' age. I thought that was cool.) As I drove back to the ole workplace, I suddenly and instinctively turned off the radio, and sang a cappella (I easily could have popped Neil's LWW version into the CD player, but for some reason I had to do this alone) with all my heart and mind and nerve and sinew and soul: America the Beautiful. I wondered if I were crazy. (TIC: Do YOU think I was crazy?) I'm so glad to hear that you had the same songs in your heart and mind. From sea to shining sea, in the land of opportunity (Jay and the Americans?), sending love and peaceful vibes all across the universe, Patti P., doing all the joy that could be P.S. Regrets if this post came through twice. This new hotmail is weird. _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_1120 08 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:20:49 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC, the wind is in from Africa The wind is in from Africa, last night I couldn't sleep... wondering if Africa is a country.... or a continent? And what about Ethiopia? (Pardonnez-moi. Couldn't resist.) xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:00:29 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Kilauren/My Feelings/Bo Thanks to all of you who verified that this is, indeed, Kilauren. I wasn't even remotely giving any thought to her appearance...I'm not very taken by how someone looks...I enjoy seeing how a person integrates their personality with how they choose what they wear etc. Everyone who is lucky enough to grow older and (JUST in my opinion) doesn't fight the aging process looks quite beautiful/handsome. I must say, though, I'm not thrilled with the metabolic changes!!! I do find Joni's physical appearance to be so consistent with how I'd imagine she would look if I only heard Joni, but never saw her...and her self-portraits are amazingly fascinating to me. I agree with Marion. Being Kilauren has got to be mixed with a tapestry of complex reactions. I'm sure that there are many people who rob her of being her...and just relate to her as Joni's daughter. Personally, I wish, for her, that she could sing, not like Joni, but in her own way...a very talented, individualistic way. My heart goes out to Lauren. Imagine discovering that Joni Mitchell is your mother. That would land me on the couch for too many years to count. Rian...since you are one of younger Joni-People, look forward to growing older and enjoying the wonder that accompanies all decades. Your physical appearance certainly changes but it really is enhanced by the events, happiness and sadness of your life. You have to work harder to remain as strong and as fit as you are in your youth...that I realize is true. I think Joni looks magnificent, as she has throughout her life. Youth doesn't equate beauty. The media gives us a warped idea about what beauty 'should' be. Be well...know your form of happiness and joy. Bo ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #284 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------