From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #276 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 3 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 276 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Learning Leonard Cohen [Mark-Leon Thorne ] SV: No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: RIP Studs Terkel njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya + Learning Leonard Cohen ["A] Re: No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya + Learning Leonard Cohen njc [Garret ] Re: eliza and american politics NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: eliza and american politics NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: A Few Reasons Not to Vote Obama (NJC) [Jeannie ] RE: Learning Leonard Cohen ["Miguel Arrondo" ] No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya [Marianne Rizzo Subject: Re: Learning Leonard Cohen Rian, I think the comparison can be made in the storytelling quality. They are both great storytellers. It makes me wonder if this is a Canadian thing. I mean, I find the landscape quite conducive to storytelling. The wide open prairies, the deep and foreboding forests and mountains that touch the sky that make you want to just fire up the campfire and get in touch with your inner storyteller. Leanard has his finger on the pulse of people's private lives and inner most feeling just as Joni does. Just like Joni, his stories are real, they come from his soul and can therefore touch other people's souls. Mark in Sydney NP Australian Idol Top 5 show (Michael Jackson night with Jermaine Jackson as guest judge) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:32:03 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya Another gem from Bob! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I am still just discovering early Joni (pre-recording Joni, that is) and haven't even heard all of the songs, so this is a real treat! Marion, waiting impatiently for the download to be completed (1 minute and 31 seconds to go) - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bob Muller Skickat: den 1 november 2008 15:25 Till: JMDL Dmne: No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya OMG - November already? It was JUST October 1...anyway, the date has snuck up on me and I am NOT ready to pass along Covers Volume #106 to y'all, I need a couple more days. In the meantime, so y'all don't go all "Angry McCain-Palin Kill Him-Mob" on my ass, here's a great live Joni show that you can enjoy while you're waiting for me to get my act together. (No comments). It's Joni's appearance at The White Swan, Leicester UK, September 16, 1967 - sponsored by the Couriers Folk Club. The set is a stunner and features the only recording of "The Wizard Of Is" that I'm aware of - and yes, it does sound an AWFUL lot like Cohen's "Suzanne". Here's the link: https://www.yousendit.com/download/Y2orT205UnExUUJFQlE9PQ And the setlist: 1. Play Little David, Play 2. Come To The Sunshine 3. Chelsea Morning 4. The Wizard Of Is 5. Both Sides Now 6. Night In The City 7. Song To A Seagull 8. Morning Morgantown 9. Dr. Junk 10. Eastern Rain 11. The Circle Game 12. Michael From Mountains 13. Go Tell The Drummer Man 14. I Don't Know Where I Stand Enjoy - I'll have #106 up by this time next week Bob NP: Jethro Tull, "Up To Me" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:39:55 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Cohen/NJC I think Mark is right, Rian. The only thing I can add is that in the beginning Cohen's love songs were romantic rather than sexy (So long Marianne, Suzanne, Hey that's no way to say good-bye and more). As for the later "sexiness" I would say he became more passionate. He differs from Joni in one important aspect, I think: many early songs (and even some later) had religious themes, as Cohen was a seeker. As we know, he found Buddhism. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:02:45 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: RIP Studs Terkel njc I haven't heard that one, but Emmylou Harris did an excellent take on it, too. > Bette Midler's version of Millworker is one of my favorite all time > recordings. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:04:34 -0800 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Re: No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya + Learning Leonard Cohen "Who Knows Where the Time Goes?" - indeed, Bob! Thanks so much for Joni's '67 White Swan set. Just a wonderful treat for this Sunday listening - with an extra hour in my day, I know where it's going ( : Rian, and all who dig Leonard Cohen - BBC Radio 2 broadcast a terrific documentary yesterday - celebrating the song "Hallelujah" (originally on the Various Positions album). "The Fourth, the Fifth, The Minor Fall" broadcast is available online for the next week @ http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00f928x/The_Fourth_The_Fifth_The_Minor_Fall Happy All Soul's Day! Ad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 13:19:47 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya + Learning Leonard Cohen njc Speaking of Cohen and Allison Crowe, there is a lovely version of Joan of Arc by Allison Crowe included on a free CD of Cohen covers with the most recent edition of Mojo magazine. it also includes a really nice version of In My Secret Life by Katie Melua, of all people. GARRET On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Allison Crowe Music < management@allisoncrowe.com> wrote: > "Who Knows Where the Time Goes?" - indeed, Bob! Thanks so much for > Joni's '67 White Swan set. Just a wonderful treat for this Sunday > listening - with an extra hour in my day, I know where it's going ( : > > Rian, and all who dig Leonard Cohen - BBC Radio 2 broadcast a terrific > documentary yesterday - celebrating the song "Hallelujah" (originally on > the Various Positions album). "The Fourth, the Fifth, The Minor Fall" > broadcast is available online for the next week @ > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00f928x/The_Fourth_The_Fifth_The_Minor_Fall > > Happy All Soul's Day! Ad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:24:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Rose, John R." Subject: Joni Birthday Feature Monday On Internet Radio I'll be celebrating Joni's 65th(11-7-43) by playing lots of her music on this week's "Hidden Treasures" show. The show is broadcast tomorrow(and every Monday) from 12-4 PM CST at http://uicradio.org/ . For requests,you can email me at rose60612@yahoo.com . I hope you can join me! John Rose http://www.myspace.com/rose60612 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:54:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: eliza and american politics NJC kourageous kalifornia kate wrote: <<>> to which i will add....you may be very happy to know that canadians are holding our collective breath along side all of you who are hoping for change. never has an election been the centre of so many conversations everywhere i go... and i know i speak for many of my comrades ;-) even my mum is upinarms about this!. thanks, kate, (and richard ;-) for letting me know that rose of sharon is eliza's song, not joan's.. i will try to find the set list for you and see if she performed the other song you mentioned. i think it was. tonnes of love always, ;--) mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: eliza and american politics NJC I haven't felt this interested in, or excited about, an American election since JFK. I was ten years old when JFK was killed, but a lot of us kids (Canadian ones) looked up to him. It might have been part of the times, or maybe because I went to a Catholic school and he was the first (I think?) Catholic president, plus he was young, and good-looking, with a beautiful wife and two lovely kids, but those times felt very optimistic. The fact that he was from an Irish background, like me, didn't hurt either. And my mother used to say that her family was somehow related to the Kennedys. I never knew if that was for real or a family joke, but I felt a kinship. OK, so there was a corrupt side too, as we found out later on, but, at the time, it was all very hopeful. And I feel that way about Obama, although more cautious, of course. We live in times where being optimistic seems pretty foolish, but I, for one, am tired of cynicism and would like to feel hopeful again. And I like Eliza Gilkyson too, although I haven't heard a great deal of her stuff. - --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Mags wrote: kourageous kalifornia kate wrote: <<>> to which i will add....you may be very happy to know that canadians are holding our collective breath along side all of you who are hoping for change. never has an election been the centre of so many conversations everywhere i go... and i know i speak for many of my comrades ;-) even my mum is upinarms about this!. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:04:52 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: eliza and american politics NJC Mags & Cat, it is encouraging to hear how our lovely Canadian neighbors feel about this election. I was thinking about JFK last night, in the midst of all this ridiculous hoopla about who is or is not a Christian or a Muslim or whatever. JFK was the first president who was Catholic & it was a big deal back then which seems pretty silly now. Sadly, this election has exposed such an ugly ignorant relgious/racism that still exists in this country. However my hope is that this is its last pathetic gasp & it will soon be extinguished. Kate Cat>I haven't felt this interested in, or excited about, an American election since JFK. I was ten years old when JFK was killed, but a lot of us kids (Canadian ones) looked up to him. It might have been part of the times, or maybe because I went to a Catholic school and he was the first (I think?) Catholic president--- Mags wrote: to which i will add....you may be very happy to know that canadians are holding our collective breath along side all of you who are hoping for change. never has an election been the centre of so many conversations everywhere i go... and i know i speak for many of my comrades ;-) even my mum is upinarms about this!. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:25:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: eliza and american politics NJC You said it, sister. After all is said & done, that's what it comes down to for me. Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Martha Say" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:33:44 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: eliza and american politics NJC A hearty me too. I am by nature very optimistic but I've noticed how cautious I am about hoping for too much this time around. What I am moved to tears about is those long lines people are waiting in to vote around the country. Thank goodness it isn't all happening on just one day! It reminds me of those elections in countries where people get to vote for the very first time. It is incredibly moving to know this is happening in this country. Obama has certainly kept his head above all the cynicism which is remarkable. He really is an extraordinary leader. Kate >You said it, sister. After all is said & done, that's what it comes down to for me. Bob< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:57:26 -0600 From: mia _ Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) This is definitely not my area of expertise, and maybe you can shed some light on this for me, but after looking up the estate tax in the U.S. it appears the first 2 million dollars is excluded from the tax. I don't know about you guys, but I would be elated to have the opportunity to pay an estate tax. It would mean I would be inheriting more than 2 million dolllars!! (Plus I would only have to pay taxes from the money that is above the 2 million mark.) Marie, am I understanding this correctly? Like I said, this is far from my area of expertise. Also, does Italy have the exclusion? Or is it a straight 4% on all money inherited? (if so, depending on the amount of transfer, an Italian could potentially be paying more tax than an American) Thanks, Mia < wrote: >> Here is something that is NOT off the top of my head: Fair > Tax. org. Hi Marie, What do you think of the death tax? Thanks for the website. Love, Laura _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:00:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: A Few Reasons Not to Vote Obama (NJC) Racism, fear of changes, blind patriotism, a dream for justice and equality for ALL, Dick Cheney, George Bush, John McCain and Sarah Palin. BTW, I think Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all those other war mongering criminals should be sent to the Hague or to prison once and for all for all of their war and domestic crimes committed right before the eyes of all that can see! Jean NP: "Jeannie Needs A Shooter' by Warren Zevon and Bruce Springsteen---and Bruce IS one of my favorite shooters!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:53:44 -0500 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) The "estate/death" tax has a lot of people worrying about nothing. The actual number of people paying this tax is quite small. As you point out it STARTS at 2.000.000 and that first part is exempt. Over and above that there are methods of planning the passing on wealth your next generation (trust and such for example). In fact both Warren Buffett and Bill Gates have said that they find nothing wrong with the idea of the estate tax. Both have said that for the sake of their descendents it would actually be bad for them to inherit TOO much money. (We are speaking of very high sums here). Many times I hear the argument that progressive taxation causes people to lose incentive - the incentive to produce and create. IF we are to accept this premise, then would not inheriting obscenely great sums of wealth also have the same effect? I don't know about anyone else on this list, but if I had inherited say $30.000.000 I really wouldn't have much incentive to go out into the work force or into business and make even more. It seems to me that the argument is that the populace must feel insecure both financially and socially in order to remain productive. But then again, I have lived in Sweden most of my adult life, and in spite of our bitching about our tax burden, a place where the level of security and contentment is relatively high. Being back here in the USA the past few years certainly makes me appreciate my adopted home a whole lot more. /Robban - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of mia _ Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:57 PM To: bline1965@embarqmail.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) This is definitely not my area of expertise, and maybe you can shed some light on this for me, but after looking up the estate tax in the U.S. it appears the first 2 million dollars is excluded from the tax. I don't know about you guys, but I would be elated to have the opportunity to pay an estate tax. It would mean I would be inheriting more than 2 million dolllars!! (Plus I would only have to pay taxes from the money that is above the 2 million mark.) Marie, am I understanding this correctly? Like I said, this is far from my area of expertise. Also, does Italy have the exclusion? Or is it a straight 4% on all money inherited? (if so, depending on the amount of transfer, an Italian could potentially be paying more tax than an American) Thanks, Mia < wrote: >> Here is something that is NOT off the top of my head: Fair > Tax. org. Hi Marie, What do you think of the death tax? Thanks for the website. Love, Laura _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:43:23 -0200 From: "Miguel Arrondo" Subject: RE: Learning Leonard Cohen Rian wrote: "A few days ago i borrowed 8 records of Leonard Cohen from a senior at the office (which of course i copied). So, i've been listening to those records heavily these days, trying to "learn" how come he becomes one of music world's highest echelon member." "I'm a person who enjoys songs from melody first, then the lyric." "The Joni Content part: How do you compare Leonard Cohen's music to Joni's?" Hello, Rian, I always thought that Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan are the only ones that can stand alongside Joni Mitchell when it comes to high quality songwriting in popular music. They have a standard that others cannot reach, not even very good songwriters like Paul Simon, James Taylor... well, there are lots of them, but only those three have the touch that make them special. And I'm talking of songs, which IMHO can not always be disected between words and music, they are a whole, and they have something I fail to define, that make one listen for them again and again for decades without getting bored (that's my case). Cohen never focused too much in the melodies, he was a well known writer years before he released his first album. But he gets the magic when he sings his poems. See how different each of them, Joni never wrote a book (that I know at least), Dylan was pushed to do so and the results were not so good as expected, and Cohen have published many of them, even two novels (which I dont's like as much as his poetry). I think too that Dylan have a little too large discography, many songs would have been better left aside, but he was so much a money maker for so many people that maybe he just could not help it. Cohen was more ascetic, in life and work. More like Joni in this point. Anyway their (the 3 of them) LPs, CDs and DVDs are the first I'd pick to take to my desert island. A name that comes to my mind at this moment... Peter Hamill, the englishman. He can be put a little step behind. Well, sunday night, sleep time. Good wishes for all. Miguel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:45:21 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya looks like you are making a lot of people happy Bob you have a way about doing that From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: No Covers yet but some live stuff for ya Thank you very much, Bob. I don't have this one. _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #276 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------