From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #270 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 29 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 270 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: movies, Joni connections and the power of music as a memory trigger VLJC [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) ["T Peckham" ] Re: Joni Mitchell Blue on the CBC radio last night [Laura Stanley ] Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) [Laura Stanley ] Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) [Laura Stanley ] Re: OzFest and SoCalFest [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Speaking of "Blue".... (Arden) ["Barbara Stewart" ] Re: 50 Trillion Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Joni and Georgia O'Keefe ["Jamie Zubairi Home" ] Re: Speaking of "Blue".... (Arden) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] njc van ["James Matheson" ] GRACE & HAVOC nyc debut this sat! (sjc) ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: Joni and Georgia O'Keefe ["Cassy" ] Re: GRACE & HAVOC nyc debut this sat! (sjc) NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: movies, Joni connections and the power of music as a memory trigger VLJC Hi Mark. The added information you gave on Shortbus was fascinating. A few months ago, a friend told me I MUST see this move. Something she saw in me made her think it would be a benefit to me. I did find the movie a bit offputting at first. Not because I am in any way puritanical but, I felt uncomfortable by the fact that I was being aroused by it. I managed to get past that and see the film for its intention - the metaphor of sex. As you say, like Joni's songs, there are a lot of underlying messages here. This movie has made me look at aspects of life in new ways. I applaud the bravery of the cast and film maker for putting it out there. I certainly would have noticed Joni in there. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:58:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Speaking of "Blue".... (Arden) But the lyric IS "comfort and consultation", not "consolation". And I do favor Joni's lyric as "comfort and consolation" are pretty much the same thing. Glad you enjoyed the show, Barbara. Bob NP: Lydia van Dam, "Black Crow" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:47:37 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) Been trying to stay out of this, but a couple things need to be addressed, IMHO. "I have a friend who uses the term "death tax" and is some kind of activist against it. When she talks about it, it goes way over my head. My mother passed away going on ten years ago, and before she died she had a trust created for us so I don't have any experience with estate tax." Fine. So why throw around a term whose meaning you don't know? And I appreciate that you looked up and quoted some useful info on the "death tax," but you neglected to credit the source. It's common practice (and, in the case of longer excerpts, fair use law) to identify the author and include a link to the original material. Re Jerry's comment that it was "wasted votes" for third party candidates that "got Bu$h elected in the first place"---excuse me, but, bullshit. While it can (still) be argued that votes for Nader or whoever siphoned off votes for Gore, that election was STOLEN, period. It was stolen by the Karl Rove/Katherine Harris/Diebold/Supreme Court/hardcore evangelical guerilla army and ceded by a what-was-he-thinking candidate and a hopelessly stooopid Democratic party and, oh . . . the hapless, uninformed, lazy, complacent, do-nothing American public who let them get away with it. And then we all let it happen all over again in '04. No matter what good an Obama administration and a Democratic-majority Congress may do, the fact is that MILLIONS of people worldwide are suffering and dying because WE failed to demand the truth and are still failing to demand accountability of these criminal sociopaths and their eight-year-long reign of terror. The payback is just starting, and like that old saying goes, karma's a bitch. Perhaps a verse/chorus of "The Fiddle and the Drum"? Terra >> >> > > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Blue on the CBC radio last night Kate wrote: Although I grew up listening to Joni releasing her albums along the way, at some point I drifted away into other musical worlds. Eventually I returned to discover how amazing her music was once again. Her early years will always be my favorite albums. Hi Kate, I remember hearing Blue for the first time in College. The friend of mine who introduced me to Joni's music in high school asked me to learn to play and sing Carey. I was into Dylan at the time, totally emerged. If it had been a few months ago, I might have said like you that my favorite Joni albums were her earlier ones. But, of late, I have found myself... forgive me... bored with them. It's like I've eaten at my favorite restaurant too many times. I'm more into her later albums today, finding they are my favorites even though I'm sentimental about her older ones. There is something that really captivates me about her jazz style. I've never gotten into Mingus before, but now I'm thoroughly enjoying it. It is like creative dessert. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Joni on WMNF Now Playing on WMNF, available by stream and broadcast: The Emergence of Joni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:26:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) Monika wrote: America is Capitalist. I can see no other way for America to be despite all the flaws Capitalism inflicts. But I suppose it is better to try and get behind something you believe in even if it is so very far fetched (and as long as it doesn't hurt anyone physically). Hi Monika, Isn't it nice to be in a free country where you can be a Socialist amidst the capitalism? Even though our country professes to be Capitalist, there is socialism going on too. I think the reason why the USA tends toward capitalism is to keep from being controlled by a government. Independence. Freedom. We don't forget where we came from and why we are a country in the first place. But there is freedom in the Socialist way of working together too. I like things about both socialism and capitalism. They both produce and thrive on interdependence even though capitalism breeds more individualism. We are united yet free so with that it seems we end up needing both. In a sense, we are not only a melting pot of races but also of political ideas. I wish we were even more so and there were not only two major parties. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:29:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Our very own Joni lovers Just heard Sue McNamara and Jill Haas interviewed for the special!!!! Has this played anywhere else before??? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) Kate wrote: He has got so many of most remarkable minds of our lifetime who will be his advisors. Hi Kate, This is a very good one! And, to it I'll add, he seems open-minded enough to really listen to them. Love, Laura PS. I voted last week. Waited 1.5 hours in the line, but it was worth it. I brought a book. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:48:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Our very own Joni lovers Yes, it was produced about a year & 1/2 ago and has been available on the web for about as long. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "The Line" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Subtle, and yet she perfectly captures that quiet panic of feeling lost and not knowing what to do next. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Blue on the CBC radio last night I only ever listened to a couple of songs on "Blue" for years and years, had it on vinyl, picked it up 2nd hand along the way somewhere. Then once on this list, I finally got a CD of it, (nice and scratchless and listenable) and listened to the whole thing, and in a sense that album consumed me for a really long time. The sense of being consumed I got was very much like being swallowed up by a BLUE wave. A huge oceanic wave that just tumbled me around and had some frightening aspects, but which was also terribly beautiful, - looking upward at the sky from underneath the water and seeing everything through that lense. Like it has a damn convincing "undertow" that album..... in a GOOD way! Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:17:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: OzFest and SoCalFest Hi Mark - and Dave! I can see that it is going to be very difficult for you, not to say impossible, to reconcile all the advice and requests you are getting.B But after having sent you my first reaction a few days ago, saying I thought that the Jonifest should be held in the US at least every other year, because of the majority of US JMDLers, I will reply once more to this latest idea. The plan of a joint US-Oz fest sounds wonderful and very appealing, but I think you will, in the end, get very VERY few people attending both, because it will be very expensive and take a lot of days to be taken off by people at work. The aspect of expense is also something I'd mention about Dave's idea to have the SoCal fest in July or August.B At that time flights are very expensive, which will put off several people.B I know, and appreciate, that Dave and Robin, as well as Delene and Barry, Bob, Donna and Patrick made it from the USB to the UK fest this August, but I still think that the cost of flights will affect the number of people attending.B Also, as it is the time of school holidays, a number of people will be tied up with family obligations at that time.B And maybe I'm wrong, but I'm rather worried about it being unbearably hot in California in mid summer. As I said, I know it will be very difficult to keep everybody happy, and I don't want to act as the proverbial wet blanket, I'm just trying to be helpful because I would really like the next Jonifest (and all the following ones) to be a big success again!B And I promise to do my best, whatever time the fest is, to be there! Lieve in London. - -------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:41:06 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: OzFest and SoCalFest On 28/10/2008, at 6:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Unless they were back to back- fest in socal then fly on over toB > OZ :~)Kate That's an interesting idea, Kate. I'd be willing to coordinate withB Dave on that. Well, all that's needed is to align the dates. July isB the height of Winter in Australia but, I guess it's not as cold asB Winter in some places. Personally, I love Winter and the area that IB have in mind would be absolutely beautiful at that time of year. TheB retreat has several open fireplaces. I'd really like to get other people's ideas on this. I am great atB researching and organising but I need to know what people want beforeB I can go ahead with anything. Thank you to those who have written to me with their ideas andB advice. After reading them, I had decided to push OzFest back toB March 2010 and that's what I'll start planning for. I need a show of hands. Who would be able to make OzFest in MarchB 2010? Who would like OzFest to follow directly on from SoCalFest?B Would Kate's idea of continuing on to Australia from California workB for you? It does seem to make some economic sense since many of youB would have to fly to California first anyway. There are frequentB direct flights to Sydney from Los Angeles. You can also fly viaB Hawaii, Fiji or New Zealand if you would like a lay over. Back in theB '80s, I flew to LA via all three. Please, please, please. Feedback peoples. I want this to encompass asB many of your needs as possible. It's all open for discussion. PS The Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras goes for the month ofB February and ends with the parade and party on the first weekend inB March FYI. March is the first month of Autumn but is still quite hotB until the end of the month when it starts to cool down. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:26:09 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: OzFest and SoCalFest Mark, Lieve and all, Well I'm not wed to the idea of July/August. It will be hot and the flights are more expensive. I just thought summer is when people take their vacations. But October would be fine, the weather is lovely and warm but not oppressive (except when the Santa Ana winds are blowing) and it would coincide with Mark's Oz-fest plan. I haven't looked into airfares yet but it does seem to me to be a huge undertaking to make two fests back to back and have good attendance at both. For couples it would be two airfares. But assuming that I have a hit record between now and then, we hope to be there.... thanks, Dave On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Hi Mark - and Dave! > I can see that it is going to be very difficult for you, not to say > impossible, to reconcile all the advice and requests you are > getting. But after having sent you my first reaction a few days > ago, saying I thought that the Jonifest should be held in the US at > least every other year, because of the majority of US JMDLers, I > will reply once more to this latest idea. > The plan of a joint US-Oz fest sounds wonderful and very appealing, > but I think you will, in the end, get very VERY few people > attending both, because it will be very expensive and take a lot of > days to be taken off by people at work. > > The aspect of expense is also something I'd mention about Dave's > idea to have the SoCal fest in July or August. At that time > flights are very expensive, which will put off several people. I > know, and appreciate, that Dave and Robin, as well as Delene and > Barry, Bob, Donna and Patrick made it from the US to the UK fest > this August, but I still think that the cost of flights will affect > the number of people attending. Also, as it is the time of school > holidays, a number of people will be tied up with family > obligations at that time. And maybe I'm wrong, but I'm rather > worried about it being unbearably hot in California in mid summer. > > As I said, I know it will be very difficult to keep everybody > happy, and I don't want to act as the proverbial wet blanket, I'm > just trying to be helpful because I would really like the next > Jonifest (and all the following ones) to be a big success again! > And I promise to do my best, whatever time the fest is, to be there! > Lieve in London. > > -------------- > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:41:06 +1100 > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > Subject: Re: OzFest and SoCalFest > > On 28/10/2008, at 6:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > > Unless they were back to back- fest in socal then fly on over to > > OZ :~)Kate > > That's an interesting idea, Kate. I'd be willing to coordinate with > Dave on that. Well, all that's needed is to align the dates. July is > the height of Winter in Australia but, I guess it's not as cold as > Winter in some places. Personally, I love Winter and the area that I > have in mind would be absolutely beautiful at that time of year. The > retreat has several open fireplaces. > > I'd really like to get other people's ideas on this. I am great at > researching and organising but I need to know what people want before > I can go ahead with anything. > > Thank you to those who have written to me with their ideas and > advice. After reading them, I had decided to push OzFest back to > March 2010 and that's what I'll start planning for. > > I need a show of hands. Who would be able to make OzFest in March > 2010? Who would like OzFest to follow directly on from SoCalFest? > Would Kate's idea of continuing on to Australia from California work > for you? It does seem to make some economic sense since many of you > would have to fly to California first anyway. There are frequent > direct flights to Sydney from Los Angeles. You can also fly via > Hawaii, Fiji or New Zealand if you would like a lay over. Back in the > '80s, I flew to LA via all three. > > Please, please, please. Feedback peoples. I want this to encompass as > many of your needs as possible. It's all open for discussion. > > PS The Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras goes for the month of > February and ends with the parade and party on the first weekend in > March FYI. March is the first month of Autumn but is still quite hot > until the end of the month when it starts to cool down. > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:23:31 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Re: Speaking of "Blue".... (Arden) Ha! I stand corrected! I had always heard this & sung along as the 'softer', more narrator-directed word consolation! Learn something new (after what ... 30 years?) every day! Thx for the correction, Bob. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King >>> From: Bob Muller To:Barbara Stewart , Joni Mitchell List Date: 10/29/08 5:59 AM Subject: Re: Speaking of "Blue".... (Arden) But the lyric IS "comfort and consultation", not "consolation". And I do favor Joni's lyric as "comfort and consolation" are pretty much the same thing. Glad you enjoyed the show, Barbara. Bob NP: Lydia van Dam, "Black Crow" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: 50 Trillion Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) I love Barack! I am soooo content he's up on the polls and when I voted I saw soooo many energetic people, especially the elderly ladies swinging to some juke box dives, happy to feel untethered and free from the Bush-Cheney dungeons, as if they were children from the same tribe meeting with hearts and minds once again from whence since the beginning, we have all come from. Hope can be miraculous, I can see this now more than ever before and I am so 'grateful and gleeful.' Jeannie - --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 7:31 AM > Kate wrote: > > He has got so many of most remarkable minds of our lifetime > who will be his > advisors. > > > Hi Kate, > > This is a very good one! And, to it I'll add, he > seems open-minded enough to really listen to them. > > Love, > Laura > > PS. I voted last week. Waited 1.5 hours in the line, but > it was worth it. I brought a book. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:07:15 -0400 From: Martha Winkel Subject: Joni and Georgia O'Keefe Does anyone have any insight on Joni and Georgia O'Keefe? In one of the biographies(about Joni) I read sometime ago, it mentioned that Joni had gone to Abiquiu(Georgia O'Keefe's Home) to seek her out. Joni was turned away. Did Joni, in fact, ever meet Georgia? I went to a wonderful exhibition of "Georgia O'Keefe: the Artist through the Lens" at the Portland(Maine) Art Museum. Viewing the exhibition brought me to thinking about Joni and, what I feel are many parallels in their art and work. (Paprika Plains, for instance.) Combining the aural and the visual. And of course, thinking of Joni's paintings. The colors and flow in some of Joni's paintings are reminiscent of O'Keefe. By the way this exhibit is now at the Georgia O'Keefe museum at Santa Fe into February. It is called "Georgia O'Keefe and the Camera: The Art of Identity". It is a wonderful exhibit, in many ways. It is a very intimate portrait of O'Keefe and reveals much about the artists that photographed her and her surroundings. If any of you are in the area, or visiting, don't miss it. Insights anyone? Martha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: 50 Trillion Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) What happens if you forget to vote: http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html?nid=HxPyOy0DBl_mfEg22vvqhjY4MjQ2OQ--&referred_by=12191251-7TBNEW > I love Barack! > > I am soooo content he's up on the polls and when I voted I saw soooo many > energetic people, especially the elderly ladies swinging to some juke box > dives, happy to feel untethered and free from the Bush-Cheney dungeons, as > if they were children from the same tribe meeting with hearts and minds > once again from whence since the beginning, we have all come from. > > Hope can be miraculous, I can see this now more than ever before and I am > so 'grateful and gleeful.' > > Jeannie > > > > > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > >> From: Laura Stanley >> Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 7:31 AM >> Kate wrote: >> >> He has got so many of most remarkable minds of our lifetime >> who will be his >> advisors. >> >> >> Hi Kate, >> >> This is a very good one! And, to it I'll add, he >> seems open-minded enough to really listen to them. >> >> Love, >> Laura >> >> PS. I voted last week. Waited 1.5 hours in the line, but >> it was worth it. I brought a book. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:46:07 +0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi Home" Subject: Re: Joni and Georgia O'Keefe Yes I do! UNfortunately I'm at work and can't dig out my info about it. Check out the painting The Mudd Club on the painting section of the website. Will email later when I can Much Joni Jamie Zoob 2008/10/29 Martha Winkel > Does anyone have any insight on Joni and Georgia O'Keefe? > > In one of the biographies(about Joni) I read sometime ago, it mentioned > that Joni had gone to Abiquiu(Georgia O'Keefe's Home) to seek her out. Joni > was turned away. Did Joni, in fact, ever meet Georgia? > > I went to a wonderful exhibition of "Georgia O'Keefe: the Artist through > the Lens" at the Portland(Maine) Art Museum. Viewing the exhibition brought > me to thinking about Joni and, what I feel are many parallels in their art > and work. (Paprika Plains, for instance.) Combining the aural and the > visual. And of course, thinking of Joni's paintings. The colors and flow in > some of Joni's paintings are reminiscent of O'Keefe. > > By the way this exhibit is now at the Georgia O'Keefe museum at Santa Fe > into February. It is called "Georgia O'Keefe and the Camera: The Art of > Identity". It is a wonderful exhibit, in many ways. It is a very intimate > portrait of O'Keefe and reveals much about the artists that photographed her > and her surroundings. If any of you are in the area, or visiting, don't miss > it. > > Insights anyone? > > Martha > - -- Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:51:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell Blue on the CBC radio last night Ha - good food analogy Laura! I don't listen to the early albums much these days but did enfold myself in them during my rediscovery period a few years ago, just before the jonibobvan tour & a bit before I joined this list (which I joined because I'd become totally absorbed with her music once again). I hadn't listened to those albums in decades at that point. They were simply glorious to revisit for a time. Now if I listen they are like eating something I loved from childhood that I don't eat much anymore but it still tastes so delicious, like nothing else, comfort food maybe. Like a fine mac & cheese :~} Kate who likes listening mostly to newer artists these days & I wish I had the allowance to buy all the Eliza Gilkynson & Jimmy La Fave music out there just to name two of the many talents out there under the radar these days. > If it had been a few months ago, I might have said like you that my favorite Joni albums were her earlier ones. But, of late, I have found myself... forgive me... bored with them. It's like I've eaten at my favorite restaurant too many times. I'm more into her later albums today, finding they are my favorites even though I'm sentimental about her older ones. There is something that really captivates me about her jazz style. I've never gotten into Mingus before, but now I'm thoroughly enjoying it. It is like creative dessert. Love, Laura< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:01:39 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: OzFest and SoCalFest Lieve writes: > The plan of a joint US-Oz fest sounds wonderful and very > appealing, but I think you will, in the end, get very VERY few people > attending both, because it will be very expensive and take a lot of days to > be > taken off by people at work. > The days taken off work would be a problem for Ed and me as well. If I'm going to CA, I'd like to visit friends in LA, see San Diego, and the fest. That's at least 10 days right there. As for OZ, it's been my life long dream to visit. I'd want to spend 2 weeks there, so a combo just wouldn't be possible for me. Jimmy in FL, where we had a record low of 44 degrees fahrenheit!!! WONDERFUL ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) - --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > > PS. I voted last week. Waited 1.5 hours in the line, but > it was worth it. I brought a book. I am blown away by hearing about the long line-ups to vote in the US. I don't understand this. We have polling stations in every neighbourhood and if you have to wait ten minutes to vote, that's a long time. For the federal election we just had, the polling station was right in the building where I live. My son wasn't on the voter's list because he just turned 18, but he presented photo ID with his address on it, was immediately registered and voted, all within about ten minutes. You need a better electoral system. Laura, you're in charge of getting it done! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:09:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) - --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Catherine McKay wrote: > We have polling > stations in every neighbourhood and if you have to wait ten > minutes to vote, that's a long time. > I have to add a PS. Voter turnout was lower than usual this time around for the federal electionb but that's because we all kinda knew it was just going to be more of the same - a minority Harper(Tory) govt but with a slightly larger minority (larger minority?) than last time. If people had anything to be escited about, it might have taken 15 minutes, not ten. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: movies, Joni connections and the power of music as a memory trigger Well I haven't seen the movie you are discussing but the other day I was searching through the guide on the tv looking for something to watch when I came across a movie or something called, "Joni." Although I know there is no movie or anything related to Joni Mitchell called "Joni," I couldn't help but read the info for it with a little hope in my heart (even if it was not logical and largely in vain). Of course it hadn't a thing to do with her but still! - -Monika - --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Mark Scott wrote: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Angelo" To: "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: NJC: Acoustic cover of Jann Arden's "Good Mother" (youtube) >I came across this searching for this song I've loved by Jann Arden >for so > many years. This fellow Canadian had a small role in "Shortbus" for > which he > also wrote and performed a song. Anyhow I love pure acoustic > renditions of > songs, and his voice is exceptional. What a coincidence that I happened to watch the dvd of 'Shortbus' this past weekend. I debated with myself about posting about it but finally decided to. I was not shocked by this movie since I had read that it contains footage of people engaging in actual, not simulated and very graphically depicted sex. It was directed by John Cameron Mitchell who directed and starred in 'Hedwig and the Angry Inch', a movie I did not especially care for. Some of you may remember when somebody created a stir amongst the good people of the JMDL by selling a copy of this movie on e-Bay and advertising it as starring Joni Mitchell. I was among those who sent the seller an angry email to get the error corrected. lol! 'Shortbus' isn't for everybody but I personally have to say that I was surprised by it. It uses sex as a metaphor much as Joni uses it in 'Come In From the Cold'. Two of the main characters in particular are unable to open themselves up emotionally and this is reflected in their sexual difficulties. In one of the extras on the dvd, John Cameron Mitchell talks about appearing in one of the scenes in the Shortbus club as one of the people going at it in a room full of copulating bodies, just to prove that he was not a hypocrite. He had some difficulty being that vulnerable and he said another actor that was nearby reached out and held his hand during the entire scene. Apparently most of the actors in the film had never performed on screen before. They sent in audition tapes, there was a process of elimination and a script was developed from improvisations with the actors that made the cut. The acting is amazingly good and the film has a true emotional resonance to it. This is not just a porn movie. I also watched Paul Newman's directorial debut 'Rachel, Rachel' this past weekend. I had never seen this movie before. I think my parents went to see it when it came out and decided it was a bit too 'M' for Mature for me at the time (I was around 14 or 15 years old, I think). Turner Classic Movies had shown it as part of their tribute to Newman after his passing and I had Tivoed it. What a beautiful film! Joanne Woodward is amazing. She must have been in her 30s when the movie was made and with her blonde hair and bangs, she reminded me of Joni in some scenes, especially when she thinks she's pregnant (and unwed). I loved the way we got glimpses of what was going on in Rachel's imagination from time to time. On a somewhat different note, I was at one of our local Subways (they are ubiquitous around here these days) and REM's 'Everybody Hurts' happened to play while I was in there. Almost immediately I got a lump in my throat and had to get a firm grip on myself to keep from looking like a fool with tears running down my face while telling the counter person what I wanted in my Subway wrap. The reaction was, at first, a sub-conscious one but it didn't take long to realize I was being transported back to 1993 when my partner Edward died. Edward was from a small town in Montana and had been raised on C&W music, a genre I resisted for many years. But after living with Eddy for 9 years, we had accumulated quite a collection of cds by people like Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Loretta Lynn, Reba McEntire, Tammy Wynette, Dolly Parton and Patsy Cline. Well, after Edward died, I couldn't listen to that music. I started listening to Seattle's alternative radio station, The End' when in the car instead of the C&W station we had always dialed in to. 'Automatic for the People' was out at that time and 'The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonight' played a lot on The End. I liked the quirkiness and melody of that song so I bought the cd and came to have a great respect for it. I think 'Automatic for the People' is a musical masterpiece from a very talented group of musicians. But now I can't listen to 'Automatic for the People'. It represents a very painful period of my life, when I was struggling to keep from drowning in grief. And now, more than 15 years later, a particularly emotional cut from that album can still affect me in such a way that I have to fight back tears while standing in line at Subway! Music has always affected me on an emotional level. It is something that can be a very powerful force. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:44:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Blue on the CBC radio last night Ah yes, good point indeed! I completely forgot that Joni's voice really captured me as well. That was what first grabbed me--her voice. I will never forget (though it isn't from Blue) hearing "Free Man In Paris" the very first time. I was working at the gift shop in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame with Sirius satellite playing and was absolutely taken aback by whoever it was that was singing. What a beautiful voice! I then recall hearing it a couple more times but I didn't get the chance to ask our "all knowing music guy" who worked in the store who it was that was singing yet. I had my suspicions that it was either Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell, or Judy Collins (though I really didn't think it was Baez because I didn't think the voice sounded folky enough to be her--but I knew it was a female singing with acoustic guitar from the 70's). I had heard a few songs by Baez, Collins, and Big Yellow Taxi by Joni but wasn't familiar enough with any of them to identify their voice off hand.. Finally, just finally, I heard "Help Me" while I was working and I knew it was that same voice from the other song. I finally had the chance to ask our music guy and he told me it was Joni Mitchell.....and so it began! - -Monika - --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Michael Flaherty wrote: What really captured me is Joni's voice, particularly on "This Flight Tonight". Subtle, and yet she perfectly captures that quiet panic of feeling lost and not knowing what to do next. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: 50 Reasons to Vote Obama (NJC) - --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Catherine McKay wrote: > I am blown away by hearing about the long line-ups to vote > in the US. I don't understand this. We have polling > stations in every neighbourhood and if you have to wait ten > minutes to vote, that's a long time. > > For the federal election we just had, the polling station > was right in the building where I live. My son wasn't > on the voter's list because he just turned 18, but he > presented photo ID with his address on it, was immediately > registered and voted, all within about ten minutes. > > You need a better electoral system. Laura, you're in > charge of getting it done! ;-) Hi Catherine, I would like to see us have the option to vote online. The voter turn out would be much higher if we did it that way. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:47:12 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: movies, Joni connections and the power of music as a memory trigger Monica, I did exactly the same thing! And even though I now know the show has nothing to do with "our" Joni, my heart sometimes leaps with hope for a moment when I first see it on the guide. Kate Stubblejumpers Cafi http://stubblejumperscafe.pnn.com/6853-the-front-page On 29-Oct-08, at 10:30 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: Well I haven't seen the movie you are discussing but the other day I was searching through the guide on the tv looking for something to watch when I came across a movie or something called, "Joni." Although I know there is no movie or anything related to Joni Mitchell called "Joni," I couldn't help but read the info for it with a little hope in my heart (even if it was not logical and largely in vain). Of course it hadn't a thing to do with her but still! - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni and Georgia O'Keefe >>Does anyone have any insight on Joni and Georgia O'Keefe? They did meet. As with Charles Mingus, Joni met her fairly close to the end of her life, but they had some time to get to know each other it seems. Joni tells a story from one of their conversations. Someone will probably have a complete transcript, but from memory: Georgia said she wanted to play the violin but didn't because you can't be a musician and a painter. Joni assured her you could both, and made reference to the Renaissance. This, it seems, amazed Georgia. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:07:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Speaking of "Blue".... (Arden) Any more comments about the show? I'd love to hear more details. 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No matter how important my personal suffering may seem, No matter how isolated I may feel, This Music reminds me I am not alone, And more than that, This Artist has been able to express This Pain with such beauty as to transform it into healing. Thanks for listening. SF Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:53:35 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: GRACE & HAVOC nyc debut this sat! (sjc) Hello JoniListas, Jenny Goodspeed is making the treacherous trip to NYC this weekend, and we're going to have our first official show together as Grace & Havoc at Gizzi's Coffeehouse on Saturday 11/1 at 7pm. My friend Mark Allen Berube is going on at 9pm, and I know the NYC-area folks will love him: he's the author of such songs as "Grandpa's Seder" ("we say we're gonna celebrate in Israel next year/but that's a bunch of bullsh*t you know we'll be here/maybe next time we'll invite Ralph Nader/and we'll all have fun at Grandpa's Seder"), "Grandma Gave Me The Finger Today", "The Naked Guy At My Gym", and "(I Don't Wanna) Smell Your Butt". I have no idea who's going on at 8pm, but that gives us some time to hang out with ya'll (see how optimistic I am?) before Mark's set, during which he will attempt to answer Frank Zappa's eternal question, "does humor belong in music?" I'm sure we'll do "A Strange Boy", seeing as our new name comes from that song and all... and maybe we'll do another Joni tune as well. It's our set and we'll play what we want to. If the CD manufacturing gods are smiling upon me this week, I may even have a few copies of my new CD "Heliotrope", literally hot off the press. The manufacturer is supposed to ship me a small package for overnight Saturday delivery, so with any luck, I'll finally have honest-to-god professional product on my person on Saturday night. Jenny will of course have copies of her awesome "Under The Ash Tree" available as well. So, come on, NYC JoniListas! I know you're out there! (I saw David Lahm with my own eyes less than a week ago!) Come see history in the making! (Again, note my optimism.) GRACE & HAVOC (Jenny Goodspeed & Kay Ashley) OR (Kay Ashley & Jenny Goodspeed) (you decide) Saturday 11/1 at 7pm Gizzi's Coffeehouse 16 West 8th Street btw MacDougal and 5th Ave Around the corner from the West 4th Street subway stop Mark Allen Berube at 9pm http://www.kayashley.com http://www.jennygoodspeed.com http://www.myspace.com/graceandhavoc http://www.myspace.com/markberubemusicnyc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:02:55 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Joni and Georgia O'Keefe From: "Martha Winkel" <<< Does anyone have any insight on Joni and Georgia O'Keefe? >>> I don't want to reinvent the wheel. There's a great article at: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=9 where some comparisons are drawn between Joni and Georgia by writer Anthony Fawcett. There's a great story of Joni going to AZ to find Georgia and not getting to see her, she says "When I got home there was a copy of Art News with Georgia O'Keefe on the cover. I opened it up and in the article, in enlarged print under a photograph was: 'Georgia, if you come back in another life, what would you come back as,' and without missing a beat it said, 'I would come back as a blonde with high soprano voice that could sing clear notes without fear.' There it is, I thought, I didn't have to see her, there's something star-crossed about us." I am also a huge fan of Georgia O'Keefe. I loved her wild spirit and her women's liberation attitude before the phrase was ever even coined. I loved her dark skyscrapers as much as her vulva-flower paintings. When my brother graduated from Chicago's Columbia College in the 1990's I went to see him graduate and there was an exhibit of Georgia O'Keefe's work going on at the Art Institute of Chicago during my visit. My sister Pauline knew I loved O'Keefe and said she'd go with me, we did the audio cassette tour together, it's one of my fondest memories of my sister (that and her waiting in line to see Mary Poppins the day it opened at the Odeon in Bolton, Lancs, England in 1964 - we had to wait through three showings before we got in - I was about 9 or 10 at the time). The paintings are just so much more in person than printed on book pages. Warmly, Cassy NP: Rosemary Clooney w/ Count Basie Orchestra - Just in Time If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: GRACE & HAVOC nyc debut this sat! (sjc) NJC Break many legs! That's an awful lot of talent for one stage. 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People like Colin Powell have called him a transformational figure. Neil Young, who at one point in his life was a Republican, has recently said something similar. The thing is, that transformation has already come to fruition. Back when most of us were introduced to Obama during the last convention, he delivered a message of unity that has been consistent & resonated & continues to attract a large part of the population. The potential he showed back then has become reality as he is attracting an amazing number of people from both parties. That to me is the key to being a great president, one who can unite. As opposed to the one we've had for the last 8 years who knew only how to divide until he divided himself from the vast majority of the citizens of this country. Same thing with the current Republican ticket- they are so divisive that the ticket itself is divided! Kate >I read the link you sent and it only addresses the Ayers issue. However i am not so sure that you have watched Jackie Mason's short videos because he is not really talking about Ayers. He does mention many other issues such as Obama being the ACORN lawyer, or him saying he didn't hear the sermons from his pastor and mentor for 20 years. Look, Obama is bright, inspiring and a great speaker and surely there are many reasons to choose him. That does not mean that he's a black knight on a white horse. One should not forget that politicians are liars, because that is something that comes with the territory, and that presidential candidates must get financial support from special interest firms and groups.< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:14:54 +0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi Home" Subject: Re: Joni and Georgia O'Keefe Joni has some kinda 'stalky' episodes with Georgia, until they became friends.... The first time Joni went to Abiquiu Georgia wasn't there so she looked through the gate and saw suitcases and Joni thought to herself 'Wow, Georgia gets her luggage from the same place I do in New York!' I can't remember where I got that one from... Random. But the next time she was greeted by Georgia and Juan, Georgia's companion who looks remarkably like Larry Klein. I think they spent 5 days together talking about things. There are quite a few articles in the library section of jm.com. I'd love to go to Santa Fe. shame I'm in snowy London! 2008/10/29 Martha Winkel > Does anyone have any insight on Joni and Georgia O'Keefe? > > In one of the biographies(about Joni) I read sometime ago, it mentioned > that Joni had gone to Abiquiu(Georgia O'Keefe's Home) to seek her out. Joni > was turned away. Did Joni, in fact, ever meet Georgia? > > I went to a wonderful exhibition of "Georgia O'Keefe: the Artist through > the Lens" at the Portland(Maine) Art Museum. Viewing the exhibition brought > me to thinking about Joni and, what I feel are many parallels in their art > and work. (Paprika Plains, for instance.) Combining the aural and the > visual. And of course, thinking of Joni's paintings. The colors and flow in > some of Joni's paintings are reminiscent of O'Keefe. > > By the way this exhibit is now at the Georgia O'Keefe museum at Santa Fe > into February. It is called "Georgia O'Keefe and the Camera: The Art of > Identity". It is a wonderful exhibit, in many ways. It is a very intimate > portrait of O'Keefe and reveals much about the artists that photographed her > and her surroundings. If any of you are in the area, or visiting, don't miss > it. > > Insights anyone? > > Martha > - -- Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #270 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------