From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #234 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 1 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 234 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- quirky? ["Marion Leffler" ] Who is Juan [Michel BYRNE ] Re: quirky? [Em ] Re: "Rainy Night House" w/ The L.A. Express [Em ] Re: Songs not on albums [Laura Stanley ] Re: Who is Juan? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: bailing, now wailing poem, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: "Rainy Night House" w/ The L.A. Express [Michael Flaherty ] Re: bail out - Dennis Kucinich, njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Question for Sharon [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Another question for Sharon [anon anon ] Re: SJC: newbie [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: SJC: newbie [Catherine McKay ] Re: tribute to paul newman NJC [Jeannie ] Re: Another question for Sharon [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: bail out - Dennis Kucinich, njc [Jeannie ] Re: SJC: newbie [Happy The Man ] ncj, Happy October, and some Palin stuff [Patti Parlette ] njc, War Child Rocks October [Patti Parlette ] Re: SJC: newbie [Kate Johnson ] Re: Who is Juan? [Jeannie ] Some interesting quotes - NJC ["Jerry Notaro" ] LJC - Geffen in the top 50 richest Americans ["Cassy" ] Re: For Free on YouTube [PassScribe@aol.com] both sides now speech, njc [Laura Stanley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:09:07 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: quirky? According to my English-Swedish dictionary, quirky means "strange", "whimsical". Is that what you mean, those of you who discussed whether some of Joni's songs are quirky? Roses Blue and Songs to Aging Children come were mentioned. I just don't find them either strange or whimsical. Although Rose herself might have been. But maybe I just don't get the drift? Help me out, folks, please! Marion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:06:35 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Who is Juan Re Lindsay's comment, I always presumed Juan was Jackson Brown, and that Joni was continuing the 'feud' in a coded way. I agree with Bob that those lines suck - all they convey to me is some kind of petty settling of scores with no illumination whatsoever. A pity, as I think No Apologies is a great song otherwise, especially verse 3. Mark, I like your recreation of Blue, but do you really want Hunter and This Flight Tonight on the same album, with exactly the same guitar riff?.... I think Joni was spot on in dumping H for TFT... :) Mich _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: quirky? well to me, for one, just the vocals alone on the song "Blue" were/are pretty quirky. In a good way. No! in a GREAT way! :) Em - --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Marion Leffler wrote: > From: Marion Leffler > Subject: quirky? > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 4:09 AM > According to my English-Swedish dictionary, quirky means > "strange", > "whimsical". Is that what you mean, those of you > who discussed whether some > of Joni's songs are quirky? Roses Blue and Songs to > Aging Children come > were mentioned. I just don't find them either strange > or whimsical. Although > Rose herself might have been. But maybe I just don't > get the drift? Help me > out, folks, please! > > Marion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: "Rainy Night House" w/ The L.A. Express - --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: snip... "Although I can speculate why MOA did so well on the charts yet does so poorly (or perhaps the correct statement would be why it does not do as well) on JMDL polls. This was the album following C&S. C&S hit it big and made Joni not only an artist but a star". Thinking that maybe the reason it did so well is that at that point (right after C&S) lots of people were as yet unfamiliar with Joni *except* for the C&S songs, which were all over the radio. So for them, MOA, as a 2nd Joni album (if they only owned or had heard C&S) was a really deep and delicious well of older Joni material all on one album, and really kind of a greatest "hits", in a sense. It provided a sort of anthology, in concert form though, of great songs from her previous albums which lots of folks did not yet know. So for those, at that time, familiar only with C&S, MOA was a great stepping stone, or spring board or whatever into Joni. Not to mention whatever value it had for people already into her music. :) Just a guess! Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 05:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Songs not on albums Kate wrote: Bob argued: Quirky **IS** good. Quirky is definitely NOT Joni. Quirky is Frank Zappa, They Might Be Giants, Sufjan Stevens - they do (or did in the case of Zappa) quirky pretty solid. Joni, not so much. Hi Quirks, Depends on how you wear the diaper. Here are some definitions. Quirk: a peculiarity of action or behavior. Peculiar: 1. belonging exclusively to one person or group 2. characteristic, distinctive, 3. queer, odd syn idiosyncratic, eccentric, singular, strange, weird. Joni goes way off the quirk side of the quirkometer in my dangerous kitchen. Love, Weirdo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:30:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Who is Juan? Yeah, I think that's right, Lindsay - once again my strategery of blurting out the first thing off the top of my head and letting the smart people correct me has paid off. Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, "Today" (from his head-banging rocker just out yesterday, amazing how he has maintained his edge and power into his 5th decade) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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No we're not getting paper towels But mom we need paper towels Paper towels Paper money Paper trail Bail Get out the ditch witch Dig us out So we'll have nothing more to bitch about Slide down then burn the money Joker in the dark knight of the USA soul Government without a roll Paper billions don't dig the wells Paper billions don't make the rice grow Laborers and nature do Little broken tokens smokin' Throw them away with the TV And the suits And the ties And the bitterness in those eyes How does your garden grow in a city pot Child of God Flour power Peace Tax free ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:12:52 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: quirky? Quirky to me usually means different and unique...not boring or predictable, not like everything else. On Oct 1, 2008, at 4:09 AM, Marion Leffler wrote: > According to my English-Swedish dictionary, quirky means "strange", > "whimsical". Is that what you mean, those of you who discussed > whether some > of Joni's songs are quirky? Roses Blue and Songs to Aging Children > come > were mentioned. I just don't find them either strange or whimsical. > Although > Rose herself might have been. But maybe I just don't get the > drift? Help me > out, folks, please! > > Marion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:53:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: "Rainy Night House" w/ The L.A. Express - --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: snip... "Although I can speculate why MOA did so well on the charts yet does so poorly (or perhaps the correct statement would be why it does not do as well) on JMDL polls. This was the album following C&S. C&S hit it big and made Joni not only an artist but a star". I think you're right. Also, a dedicated fan (or whatever you prefer) list is likely to have people who are not really influenced by chart positions or reviews. We've played most or all of the albums frequently, so many more are "hits" to us. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:20:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 105 - sakes alive! And yet another page of the calendar gets shredded, revealing a new month and a new opportunity to unleash Joni covers unto a hungry world. Another stellar effort here with mostly 21st century material and barely a sprinkling of cheese, parmesan or otherwise. Big Joni-hugs to the kind-hearted people who contributed to this one, namely: Catherine, Monica & Mark-Leon Thanks y'all! Here's where you can go to begin chomping on the audio: http://tinyurl.com/42aynh And hears what you'll here, or rather here's what you'll hear: 1. Laila Biali - Woodstock: As always, I try to kick things off with a shining star of a track, this time I picked this gently swinging jazz take on Woodstock from Canadian alto Laila Biali. She has a great voice and her band is solid as well, adding lots of good vibes (figuratively & literally) into the mix. 2. The Schneiderman Sisters - Happiness Runs/The Circle Game: Joni's songs have been included in lots of medleys, and Circle Game probably more than any other. Here it gets mated with Donovan's "Happiness Runs" and was included as part of a baby CD/DVD package that tried to present classic 60's/70's tunes in a children's music format. All that being said, this is well-paced, not dirgy like TCG can be sometimes, and the harmony vocals are superb. 3. Boney James - River: From his 2007 holiday CD "Christmas Present" comes this pleasant instrumental version of River. Boney has been playing the saxophone since he was 10 and he's got a fine tone indeed. 4. Michela MacFarlane - A Case of You: Michela has studied a variety of music at a variety of schools, all of them very distinguished. She's got great chops and puts them to good use on ACOY. 5. Judy Niemack - Blue: Jazz/Cabaret singer Judy's been here before - she recorded "All I Want" a few years back and picked the title track from Joni's treasured classic for her latest album. She does a tremendous job and the arrangement and sparse accompaniment is just right in all the right places. 6. Jeni Fleming Acoustic Trio - Twisted: A jazz trio in Montana - who would have guessed? But that is in fact where Jeni and her combo practice their craft, and if their take on the classic "Twisted" is any indication they do a great job of keeping Montana jazzed. Some great sax licks on this one. 7. then there were two - Amelia: A quietly beautiful haunting version of Amelia, presented as a bass-voice duet. The "two" are Michael Visceglia, Suzanne Vega's bassist, and Fiona McBain, an Australian singer. This was one of the tracks I selected for my Sweet 16 given out at Jonifest. 8. Donna Colton & The Troublemakers - Carey: Donna has graced our midst before as she recorded River a couple of years ago. Donna is based in the Syracuse, NY area and gigs in the area so check her out as she is obviously a Joni fan and has a nice pop-country sound. 9. Smiffenpoofs - A Case of You: More college acapella, this time from Smith College. An interesting vocal arrangement and a lovely assortment of voices. 10. Tony Sheldon, Jeremy Stanford, & Daniel Scott - Both Sides Now: This high-camp version of the franchise comes to us courtesy of the 2007 Australian soundtrack to 'Priscilla, Queen of the Desert - The Musical'. The BSN part ends at about the 3-minute mark at which point it breaks into an operatic coloratura aria that I can't bear. 11. Andy Yager - Big Yellow Taxi: A jangly medium-paced version, the voice sounds like either Seals or Crofts, not sure which one. 12. Antonia - Little Green: Such a lovely, bittersweet song. And a lovely performance here by Dutch jazz-pop singer Antonia, accompanying herself on guitar. 13. Charlotte Martin - Urge For Going: Not all beauty queens aspire to be Vice President, some become entertainers. Charlotte (Miss Teen Illinois 1994) has been pretty prolific in her 10-year singing career. This pleasant version of UFG seems very Tori Amos-influenced to me, not necessarily a bad thing. 14. Sister Hazel - River: From their 2007 holiday album - a medley of River and "I'm Dreaming Of A White Christmas", actually - Florida's Sister hazel puts a country-folk spin on things, struggling a bit to hit that high falsetto but nonetheless turning in a solid performance. 15. Judy Kuhn - All I Want 16. Judy Kuhn - Let The Wind Carry Me: Judy Kuhn is a well-known NYC cabaret and theatre star. These live performances were taken from Youtube clips, and noteworthy in that Let The Wind Carry Me is a true rarity in terms of Joni covers; like much of FTR it is sadly neglected. Judy's performances reflect her stage andd cabaret background, solid and clear. 17. Nena - Big Yellow Taxi: Y'all remember Nena..."99 Luftballoons" and all that. This one (like most of these) comes from her 2007 Covers album and puts a semi-heavy rockin' vibe on the song. Nena is from Germany; strangely enough we typically feature lots of international performers but this time around there are only a handful. 18. The Wheezetones - Woodstock: The Wheezetones hail from Lincoln Nebraska and are a bunch of local musicians who came together in 1992 and started playing the music that they (and Patti) loves. They are a competent group and have some good energy and talent for a classic rock cover band. And that's it...18 songs, 18 hits! As for milestones, we're approaching the 600 mark for BSN's and just may get there by the time I release #106. Hope you enjoy #105 as much as I do, give it a spin and let me know what you think. And of course if you want to find out more about any of these artists, you can check out http://www.jonimitchell.com/musician/undercover.cfm and do a search on the Volume to pick up CD's, tour schedules and a whole bunch more. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Love to all, Russ Mischief Managed _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:52:12 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: bail out - Dennis Kucinich, njc Thank you Mar. That's my candidate. Pity. mack - ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:11:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Sharon Update+ favorite character on Joni's songs What about song to the last whale? So beautiful... kate Patti >And then it came to me, like lightning striking from above...no contest. Willy! I would be his lady all my life. He is a simple man, and he sings a simple song. Have I ever told you how much I love Graham Nash? (LOL, I know I have....) From Bus Stop and Carrie Anne to Songs for Beginners, and our shared abhorrence for Military Madness, and then of course his solid love for Joni, expressed so purely and reverently in the WOHAM documentary.< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:20:37 -0700 From: "James Matheson" Subject: SJC: newbie I love Joni Mitchell and her work for all the same reasons as most fans. I think she is a genius lyricist and one of the most interesting and gifted guitar players I have heard in my long life as a guitar junky. I first heard Joni in 1968. As a overly sensitive 15 year old boy, with pretentions as a poet and actor, Joni's vivid storytelling and her heart-opening depiction of emotion hit me hard and deep. Happily, I never got over it. I have an older sister, also named Joni, who was a teenage, beatnik wannabe during the early '60s. It was from her that I first heard the term "radical" used as an adjective of praise (around 1961 or '62). When I heard Joni Mitchell play and sing the first time, my reaction was, "Radical!" I grew up in classic Southern California beach-culture and there was something about this woman from the Canadian plains that fit right into that whole scene. With her long blonde "surfer-girl" hair and her high-cheeked classic beauty, it was easy to imagine Joni Mitchell walking around the sunny summer streets near La Jolla Cove, browsing through the stacks at the Mithras Bookstore, or sitting on the hood of a car parked at Swami's in Encinitas. But that wasn't it. It wasn't even the dual attraction of Joni's open-hearted vulnerability and undeniable strength, like the passing power of the waves. It was way more than any of that. Beyond her iconic physical beauty and her sea-breeze free spirit, Joni Mitchell was, and remains, a completely authentic and original artist. She tells the whole truth with her words and voices them in unique and achingly beautiful melodies. Even more important, as Joni grew and evolved as an artist, so did many of us grow and evolve. She continued to tell her story. She continued to tell our story. As a fan of Ms. Mitchell for forty years, I can't believe this site list has been happening for so long without me knowing about it until now! The fact that I have found it just as I start graduate school is probably not a good thing. I fear it will become a major distraction. Oh, and how I LOVE distractions!!! Thanks for listening, Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:25:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Question for Sharon I don't need to ask Sharon - I can tell you that it did based on the interviews Joni did at the time to promote the CD. It's the first question Jody Denberg asks her in this interview: http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=998 Madame Bobushka NP: Ben Folds, "The Frown Song" (another kickass release from yesterday - making great records can't be as simple as BF makes it seem) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Better late than never, welcome to you - I'm glad you found us and vice versa. You've been along for the whole Joni ride so I'm sure you'll bring a lot to the group. Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, "Bardo" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:53:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: tribute to paul newman NJC Hello Kate and All: With Paul Newman's passing and Baby Jaden's sudden passage from this life, I have been extremely blue. I feel so much for Jaden's family as I do for Joanne Woodward and her family. No matter how spiritually strong I try to be, death is always hard for me to face, especially when it comes to children and the benevolent and beloved ones whose life has come to a full circle and their time on earth has reached it's finality. Ever since I was a tiny tot, I knew of this strikingly handsome actor named "Paul Newman." Even a baby knows what loveliness is. Then as I grew up, searching out true, living heroes who were not short-sighted, money-grubbing, nescient, and unenlightened, especially coming from the narcissistic land of Hollywood, there was Paul Newman with whom I found solace and a kindred soul I could count on. Never, in my eyes was there an actor or politician or a super successful human who followed the Beatitudes--the declarations Jesus Christ preached about at the Sermon on the Mount. And Paul lived his life by through his actions, his humanitarian causes and the millions of beaux gestes he gave to all of mankind with all of his soul and heart and personal resources. I'm truly going to continue missing him and I'll never forget him for as long as I live. Tearfully, Jeannie "All my life, I strived to love God with all my soul. Now that I have the opportunity to fulfill it, I do so with so much joy!" ~Rabbi Akiva--2nd century Talmudic scholar~ "And you shall love the lord with all of your heart, with all of your soul, and with all of your resources." (Deut. 6:5) PS: This next writing goes out to Little Jaden's and Joanne Woodward's families and for all people who have recently lost a loved one and even for me as I try to comprehend the stinging pain of death. It has comforted me now. "Death can hold no bitterness for the soul that loves. It brings with it the sweetness and delights of love. There is no sadness in the remembrance of it when it opens the door to all joy. Nor can it be painful and oppressive when it is the end of all unhappiness and sorrow and the beginning of all good. Yes, the soul looks upon it as a friend and a bride, and rejoices in thinking of it as the day of espousals. It yearns for the day and hour of death more than earthly kings long for power, principalities and kingdoms. True love accepts with perfect resignation, yes, even with joy, whatever comes to it from the hand of the Beloved, for 'perfect love casts out fear." ~St. John of the Cross~ - --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Kate Bennett wrote: > From: Kate Bennett > Subject: tribute to paul newman NJC > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:03 AM > Thank you all for the tributes to Paul... keep it coming... > my heart breaks > because he is suddenly gone, but is also charged with how > much good he put > into the world in such a humble manner... kate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:30:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Another question for Sharon You must be reading my mail - I asked Sharon that myself. I'm anxious to see what she says. 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Love, Jeannie 'The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live and love, mad to talk, mad to save and be saved...the ones who never yawn and say a commonplace thing, but BURN, BURN, BURN, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars.' ~ by Jack Kerouac and nj for Dennis, Barack and Joe B~ - --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > From: Marianne Rizzo > Subject: bail out - Dennis Kucinich, njc > To: "patti parlette" , "joni list" > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:45 AM > questioning the bail out: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF_MZVWM3E > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone > with Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:00:55 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: bail out - Dennis Kucinich, njc Mine, too. He is relentless and has more honesty than the whole lot of them in D.C. I went to see him speak here in St. Petersburg once. Only 15 people showed up, but he treated us like we had filled Yankee Stadium (the new one!) Jerry > As I've told y'all before, Dennis Kucinich is a man on unflinching courage and > speaks from his soul of nothing beneath the truths. > > He's the only politician I've ever had a type of little girl crush on because > of his bravery. > > Thanks, Marianne for posting Dennis' speech from the you-tube video network > for us. > > To me he's just as handsome as Paul Newman was and for me just a little cuter > just because he's adorable when he speaks like a true and just politician > behind a microphone or political podium. > > God bless Dennis Kucinich, my hero!!! > > Love, > Jeannie > > 'The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live and > love, mad to talk, mad to save and be saved...the ones who never yawn and say > a commonplace thing, but BURN, BURN, BURN, like fabulous yellow roman candles > exploding like spiders across the stars.' ~ by Jack Kerouac and nj for Dennis, > Barack and Joe B~ > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >> From: Marianne Rizzo >> Subject: bail out - Dennis Kucinich, njc >> To: "patti parlette" , "joni list" >> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:45 AM >> questioning the bail out: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF_MZVWM3E >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone >> with Windows Live. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:42:12 -0500 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: SJC: newbie Good to have you hear Jimmy. I grew up just up the coast from you in Long Beach (school year)/San Clemente (summer). Good to have you here on the list. Peace, Craig James Matheson wrote: > I love Joni Mitchell and her work for all the same reasons as most fans. I > think she is a genius lyricist and one of the most interesting and gifted > guitar players I have heard in my long life as a guitar junky. > > > > I first heard Joni in 1968. As a overly sensitive 15 year old boy, with > pretentions as a poet and actor, Joni's vivid storytelling and her > heart-opening depiction of emotion hit me hard and deep. Happily, I never > got over it. > > > > I have an older sister, also named Joni, who was a teenage, beatnik wannabe > during the early '60s. It was from her that I first heard the term "radical" > used as an adjective of praise (around 1961 or '62). When I heard Joni > Mitchell play and sing the first time, my reaction was, "Radical!" > > > > I grew up in classic Southern California beach-culture and there was > something about this woman from the Canadian plains that fit right into that > whole scene. > > With her long blonde "surfer-girl" hair and her high-cheeked classic beauty, > it was easy to imagine Joni Mitchell walking around the sunny summer streets > near La Jolla Cove, browsing through the stacks at the Mithras Bookstore, or > sitting on the hood of a car parked at Swami's in Encinitas. > > But that wasn't it. > > > > It wasn't even the dual attraction of Joni's open-hearted vulnerability and > undeniable strength, like the passing power of the waves. > > > > It was way more than any of that. > > > > Beyond her iconic physical beauty and her sea-breeze free spirit, Joni > Mitchell was, and remains, a completely authentic and original artist. She > tells the whole truth with her words and voices them in unique and achingly > beautiful melodies. > > Even more important, as Joni grew and evolved as an artist, so did many of > us grow and evolve. > > She continued to tell her story. > > She continued to tell our story. > > > > As a fan of Ms. Mitchell for forty years, I can't believe this site list has > been happening for so long without me knowing about it until now! > > The fact that I have found it just as I start graduate school is probably > not a good thing. > > I fear it will become a major distraction. > > Oh, and how I LOVE distractions!!! > > > > Thanks for listening, > > Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:56:48 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: ncj, Happy October, and some Palin stuff Happy October and Kalo Mina! Well, its a marvelous month for moondances and baseball playoffs and the World Serious (and even college football when my Huskies play Joseph and Mr. & Mrs. SCJoniguy's beach Tar Heels Saturday -- place your bets!) and the last days of this seemingly interminable fear and loathing on the campaign trail (Go Obama! Yes, we can!) and the great debate tomorrow (notches liberation doll) and the breathtaking foliage -- red, green and gold to welcome you crimson crystal leaves to beckon -- that makes a portrait of every day and pumpkins and ghosts (of Gable and Flynn) and apples and cheeses and Oktoberfests, drinking up the bands' beers (or a bottle of German wine to drink) (Rhein wein, milch of the madonna) With the stars up above in your eyes A fantabulous month to make romance neath the cover of october skies (Ha. In some office sits a wannabe poet, maybe?) Here's the Palin stuff. 1. Lori posted about this recently, et voila le resultat: "First, the terrific news: You know that e-mail everyone's been sending around, encouraging people to donate to Planned Parenthood in the name of Sarah Palin? So far, it has yielded $802,678 in donations from over 31,000 people, from all 50 states, two-thirds of whom are first-time donors. Thank-you notes to Palin, care of the McCain campaign headquarters, will begin going out next week." 2. A ceremony of the bells and lace for political show? "Finally, the we-should-have-seen-it-coming (and maybe you did) news: Sarah Baxter, a Washington correspondent for the Times of London, speculates that this election's October surprise will be the wedding of Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston. An unnamed source inside the McCain campaign told Baxter, "It would be fantastic. You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week. (Both quoted items are from Kate Harding at salon.com) What kind of mother would..... Oh, I'd better stop. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:05:47 -0700 From: "James Matheson" Subject: SJC-wewerekids By the time I was 17 I had Joni Mitchell and David Crosby all tied up in my head. There was a strong connection between the two in the way I perceived their music and lyrics. I associated both artists' work with the ocean, the mountains and being "on the road" (lower-case, so as to NOT make an already confusing set of relationships more so - although "that one" is probably in there somewhere). Joni and David were like two very cool older siblings who I wanted to understand and emulate. More than that, their work helped me find my way through a tangled bunch of emotions, not the least of which were romantic love, brotherhood/sisterhood and the myth of the "American Dream." I'm not exactly sure why it was that these two were the artists I related to the most. David Crosby was probably a natural extension of all the cool older guys I looked up to as a little kid, especially given his relationship to the ocean and sailing - that whole rich beachcomber deal. I was probably just plain IN LOVE with Joni Mitchell. After all, she's beautiful, strong, intelligent, plays guitar with all of those cool alternative tunings . and . well . words fail. Early cruises up the coast from San Diego to San Francisco were scored by lots of different music. Everything from The Allman Brothers to Frank Zappa, but NOTHING matches the stretch of Highway 1 between San Luis Obispo and Big Sur like "Joni Mitchell (Song to a Seagull) into David Crosby "If Only I Could Remember My Name." (I remember when "Music is Love" started to replace "Lighter Shade of Pale" as the final "canned-track" played before the performers would hit the stage at Bill Graham shows). I do not know how many copies of those two albums I have worn out over the years. Lately, I've been listening to a badly recorded copy of part of show Joni did around the time that Turbulent Indigo came out: just her and a guitar, lots of conversation between songs. I think it was something for the press and broadcast on syndicated radio (?) Does anyone have a line on how to get a good copy of this show? Again thanks for listening. Man, I gotta get some WORK done! Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:22:19 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, War Child Rocks October Here's a message I just received from War Child Canada, one of Joni's noble causes. Faites attention, Catherine! ; ) xo, pp Busking For CHANGE begins Over fifty musicians will be hitting the streets on Thursday October 2nd, 2008, to take part in Busking For Change, a day long busking event to raise money for War Child Canada. Busking for Change was inspired by Raine Maida of Our Lady Peace, who spent twelve hours busking for War Child Canada on Toronto streets last October. Raine raised an astonishing $22,000 for War Child Canada's Rehabilitation project in the Democratic Republic of Congo. "Last year, hope began in the dark on a cold early October morning in Toronto," says Raine Maida. "As the sun began to set on my 12 hour busking journey, hope had transformed itself into $22,000 dollars and a guarantee that a school would be rebuilt by War Child Canada in the Democratic Republic of Congo. This year, Busking for Change takes that little idea and helps it grow into something mighty. Please come out and support all of us artists as we busk the streets of Toronto, proving yet again that hope may begin in the dark but ends on a brilliant ray of light." Big Stars Sign-up for Protest Auction Some of the biggest names in music are taking a stand to raise money for War Child. R.E.M., Modest Mouse, Spoon, Death Cab for Cutie, Jarvis Cocker, The Flaming Lips, The Decemberists, Public Enemy, Rage Against the Machine, and Fleet Foxes are just a few of the artists whose handmade signs featured in Under the Radar magazines Protest Issue will be auctioned off beginning September 30th to benefit War Child. Earlier this summer, Under the Radar published its Protest Issue, which featured an array of musicians sharing their thoughts on todays political climate. Along with interviews, Under the Radar conducted photo shoots with those artists, each holding protest signs of their own making. Beginning September 30th, Under the Radar will host a 7-day eBay auction of the protest signs featured in the issue. ***** np: Canada geese honking outside my window making their annual stop at Mirror Lake _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:07:59 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: SJC: newbie Hi Jimmie, Welcome to the list and thanks for telling us about your intro to Joni and your appreciation of her unique genius. You've come to the right place. I live in Saskatchewan, the province where Joni was raised, so I'm one of those "sky-oriented people." It's a beautiful place, or I find it to be. I often break out in song while walking on the country road outside my door here on the farm, with the words "Heaven ... I'm in heaven ...." I love it here. Kate of the North http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Who is Juan? Yeah, I can see how Jackson's nickname could be Juan. He was brought up in an old Spanish style home built by his grandfather in the 1920's in Highland Park which eventually became a Latino enclave by the early 1960's. Jackson probably grew up near and around many Hispanic neighbors and I can feel that influence and respect for his 'vecinos' in some of his songs. I'm going to buy Jackson Browne's latest album later on this evening. It sounds awesome and like the good ol' Jackson I've always loved to listen to. BTW, Jackson looks so damn good with a beard...like a distinguished and handsome mean ol' daddy who I hope has learned to humble himself, which I think he has truly done. Tender shall be my night in the shape of one human heart for all of mankind. Jeannie - --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Lindsay Moon wrote: > I thought I remembered reading that "Juan" was a > known nickname for Jackson > Browne. And Freddy is Freddy Walecki. In fact, I think it > was Freddy that > tipped it that Juan was Jackson. > > But then we're dealing with my failing memory . > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:47:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Some interesting quotes - NJC Hey Joni, you need to talk to this guy: "A young man asked me what I think of homosexual marriages and I said I think homosexuals should be executed. My whole reason for running is the Bible and the Bible couldn't be more clear on that point." -- Independent candidate for the Canadian parliament David Popescu McCain: "I have voted against the Matthew Shepard Act several times. I am not convinced that criminal sentences for terrible crimes should be longer because of the views of the perpetrator or the identity of the victim." - -- Sen. John McCain And except for her ignorance of it being a "choice" I think her quote is some real straight talkin': "As for homosexuality, I am not going to judge Americans and the decisions that they make in their adult personal relationships. I have one of my absolute best friends for the last 30 years happens to be gay and I love her dearly. She's not my 'gay' friend, she is one of my best friends who happens to have made a choice that isn't a choice that I have made. But I'm not going to judge people." -- Veep candidate Sarah Palin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:03:02 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: LJC - Geffen in the top 50 richest Americans According to www.Forbes.com David Geffen is the 49th richest person in the United States. The list of the top 400 begins here: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/54/400list08_The-400-Richest-Americans_Rank.html I wonder whether Joni has any regrets about her involvement with the man. Warmly, Cassy If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:53:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Some interesting quotes - NJC - --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > From: Jerry Notaro > Subject: Some interesting quotes - NJC > To: "jon i" > Received: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 6:47 PM > Hey Joni, you need to talk to this guy: > > "A young man asked me what I think of homosexual > marriages and I said > I think homosexuals should be executed. My whole reason for > running is > the Bible and the Bible couldn't be more clear on that > point." -- > Independent candidate for the Canadian parliament David > Popescu This guy sounds like a real piece of work. I just googled him. What a lovely history - sounds like one of the characters (and I used that term very loosely) that I deal with at work! Popescu breaches probation (April 21, 2006) http://www.northernlife.ca/News/PoliceandCourt/2006/04-23-06-popescu.asp?NLStory=04-23-06-popescu Sudbury police investigate independent candidate over gay comments (October 01, 2008) http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/decisioncanada/story.html?id=015205ac-a93c-4239-8e4f-abbc1d6bb836 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: we3kings Subject: Yusa, the Joni Mitchell of Cuba i heard about this lady today on Public Radio International or PRI. http://www.theworld.org/?q=node/21384 An mp3 is available on the site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:28:53 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: For Free on YouTube Hi, Mags, I was the one who mentioned "For Free" so, of course I had to check out the YouTube links you provided. Unfortunately, every time I tried to watch the Joni performance, it quit on me somewhere around half-way through. The other one (Matthew) is really good & that played all the way through. > From: Mags > Subject: for free times two > > someone, sorry i forget who, had mentioned they liked the character in the > song 'for free' so i went looking for an early version. and found the > gorgeous > bbc 1970. she's just so beautiful here. > > http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HmzN1p5q2sY > > and then i found this: beautiful and tender > > http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=sLahlYFYBBw > > ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: both sides now speech, njc Inaugural Address by John F. Kennedy - January 20th 1961 Vice President Johnson, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Chief Justice, President Eisenhower, Vice President Nixon, President Truman, reverend clergy, fellow citizens, we observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom - symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning - signifying renewal, as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago. The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe - the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God. We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans - born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage - and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. This much we pledge - and more. To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do - for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder. To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom - and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside. To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required - not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge - to convert our good words into good deeds - in a new alliance for progress - to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty. But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers. Let all our neighbours know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this Hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house. To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope in an age where the instruments of war have far outpaced the instruments of peace, we renew our pledge of support - to prevent it from becoming merely a forum for invective - to strengthen its shield of the new and the weak - and to enlarge the area in which its writ may run. Finally, to those nations who would make themselves our adversary, we offer not a pledge but a request: that both sides begin anew the quest for peace, before the dark powers of destruction unleashed by science engulf all humanity in planned or accidental self-destruction. We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed. But neither can two great and powerful groups of nations take comfort from our present course - both sides overburdened by the cost of modern weapons, both rightly alarmed by the steady spread of the deadly atom, yet both racing to alter that uncertain balance of terror that stays the hand of mankind's final war. So let us begin anew - remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate. Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belabouring those problems which divide us. Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms - and bring the absolute power to destroy other nations under the absolute control of all nations. Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce. Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah - to "undo the heavy burdens -. and to let the oppressed go free." And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavour, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved. All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin. In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than in mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe. Now the trumpet summons us again - not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are - but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation" - a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself. Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort? In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shank from this responsibility - I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavour will light our country and all who serve it -- and the glow from that fire can truly light the world. And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #234 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------