From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #232 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 1 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 232 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: UK Jonifest audio on the way soon NJC ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: mellowing. . + a scorpio [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? ["Jamie Zubairi Home" ] Re: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: njc, Alleluia for Paul Newman [Jerry Notaro ] Re: A melody in your name [Dave Blackburn ] Re: "Rainy Night House" w/ The L.A. Express [Dave Blackburn ] Songs not on albums ["Kate Bennett" ] bail out - Dennis Kucinich, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] njc, Shine on Wall Street [Patti Parlette ] RE: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? now njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: njc, Alleluia for Paul Newman, and JT TV alerts [Patti Parlette ] bailing, + homeowners, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: songs not on albums [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: songs not on albums [David Sapp ] RE: Songs not on albums ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: bailing, + homeowners, njc [marie ] bailing, + homeowners, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? [Vince ] sorry everyone forgot the tag [Vince ] for free times two [Mags ] Sharon Update+ favorite character on Joni's songs [Patti Parlette Subject: Re: UK Jonifest audio on the way soon NJC which again is bonehead simple in iTunes. Will that include me, do you reckon Bob? Will it fit into the Its so simple even Anita can do it category? Anita Tedder _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 867 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: UK Jonifest audio on the way soon NJC We may have to walk you through it, Anita. "OK, now point to this button and click, then this one...." I-tunes is very simple - once you know how to do it. It is NOT intuitive. But I have faith in you Anita. Bob NP: Jackie Wilson, "Your Love (Keeps Lifting Me Higher)" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:59:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? I know that "Juan" is Jann Wenner - I forget who Freddy is or maybe we never knew. Bob NP: Prince, "Satisfied" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Harper To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:32:56 PM Subject: FW: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? Ken and I were just observing the tenth anniversary, and came up with the question in the subject header. _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:54:42 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: RE; Favourite Characters I would fancy a night out with Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. I imagine she would drink lots of tequila as well as hang out with eagles and serpents. Anita _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 867 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:15:28 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: mellowing. . + a scorpio Kate wrote: Would that be worldwide or just in your country? Mark in Sydney (waiting for the day we get a President - Scorpio or whatever) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:24:20 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi Home" Subject: Re: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? wasn't Freddy Fred Walecki who made Joni her VG-8. A musician and luthier. That's what the list was saying a few years ago. 2008/9/30 Bob Muller > I know that "Juan" is Jann Wenner - I forget who Freddy is or maybe we > never knew. > > Bob > > NP: Prince, "Satisfied" > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Steve Harper > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:32:56 PM > Subject: FW: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? > > Ken and I were just observing the tenth anniversary, and came up with the > question in the subject header. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 > F681DAD532637 > !5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:30:05 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: ZODIAC And ZEN -- Psychedelic Jon I have to agree with you, Billy. I've always liked Roses Blue although, I do find it a bit depressing too. Clouds was, I think, the first Joni album I listened to and Roses Blue expressed a lot of what I was going through at the time - getting into zodiac and Zen with a close friend at the time along with Pop Psychology and such. I really related to that song. Just like Rose, I felt quite disconnected from society. Mark in Sydney NP Older (Instrumental) - George Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:54:17 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Songs not on albums I have actually recompiled and repackaged Blue for my own taste. This is the tracklist on my version of Blue: 1. All I Want 2. My Old Man 3. Little Green 4. Carey 5. Hunter (The Good Samaritan) 6. Blue 7. California 8. This Flight Tonight 9. River 10. A Case of You 11. The Last Time I Saw Richard 12. Urge For Going 13. Blue (reprise) with Paul Horn I also repackaged the CD with an alternate, better quality photograph from the same shoot as the cover. If you'd like to see that photo, check out my wallpaper for Blue on www.jmdl.com/wallpaper It is only slightly different from the cover photo but it shows Joni much clearer to my (blue) eyes and you can see the microphone clearer too. Mark in Sydney PS RIP Paul Newman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:10:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? Good call, Jamie - By George I think you've got it. "Freddie said that Juan thinks I think he's the devil" (A horrid lyric btw) She would have been talking a lot to Walecki in those VG8 days. Bob NP: Ani, "Welcome To:" (her new one drops today!) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:05:48 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc, Alleluia for Paul Newman Loved it, especially his stories about drinking beer and Paul Newman. Jerry NP: James Taylor - Wichita Lineman > Hi Loves: > > I swore I was going to get a good grip on my grief and not post any more about > Paul Newman, but I just watched David Letterman and he sucked me back this > way. What did he play at the end of his tribute to Paul but Leonard Cohen's > Alleluia. > > (Hallelujah? Tough word to spell. Give me a break. It's very late when I > walk in.) > > http://lateshow.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/video_player/index/php/965968.phtml > > "Took care of other people...humanitarian genius....take care of your fellow > humans....ought to be a saint...." > > Yeah, what he said. > > "Carry the torch of peace and love, until we meet again." > > xo, > > pp > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F > 681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:02:15 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: A melody in your name As it happens Catherine Jeff Hankins just recorded it at Jonifest, the download for which will be available very shortly. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:41:33 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: "Rainy Night House" w/ The L.A. Express On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:00 AM, Billy wrote: > Therefore, I think that comparing the brilliant 'Miles of Aisles' > to the > comparatively disastrous 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns' (or even > 'Hejira,' for that > matter) is sorta like comparing Barack Obama to John McCain. To me, > there IS > no comparison. Oooooohh Billy....I think you'll encounter a certain amount of disagreement there, both the premise and the comparison. Wear a fire proof suit for a few weeks. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:27:37 -0400 From: Steve Harper Subject: RE: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? Thanks, guys! Y'all are great. Steve To: jamiezubairi@gmail.com CC: joni@smoe.org; swharper@hotmail.com Subject: Re: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:10:27 -0400 Good call, Jamie - By George I think you've got it. "Freddie said that Juan thinks I think he's the devil" (A horrid lyric btw) She would have been talking a lot to Walecki in those VG8 days. Bob NP: Ani, "Welcome To:" (her new one drops today!)------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:36:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: tribute to paul newman NJC here's another youtube tribute to paul newman. very touching. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=hlSkGUQBtDA enjoy~ mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:41:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Songs not on albums Quirky is good! Quirky is joni! kate Jeff >The album I'd REALLY want to re-jig would be Clouds. Sure, I love it but it has a feel of being assembled without due thought (sacrilege?): 'Songs to Aging Children'/'Roses Blue' - both great songs but too quirky.< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:45:07 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: bail out - Dennis Kucinich, njc questioning the bail out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF_MZVWM3E _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:47:38 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Shine on Wall Street POLITICAL CONTENT (YO Billy!) ; ) Kiss on Main Street, not Wall Street! When I saw Bush on TV this morning, I wanted to scream. ENOUGH! Just GO AWAY and shut the @#$% up! No one is listening to you anymore, you MORON imbecile lying sack of merde. Go Cheney yourself! You cannot be trusted Do you even know you're lying It's dangerous to kid yourself You go deaf and dumb and blind. You take with such entitlement. You give bad attitude. You have no grace No empathy No gratitude (YO, Joni!) ; ) bushit (no cap on purpose) recently said "Wall Street got drunk." Well, yeah. And who was the bartender? Who let the dog eat dogs out? Who was the keeper of the cards? You know it gets hard, keeping the wheels turning, huh, when you lie and and you cheat? How does it feel, to walk around in so much need To carry the weight of all that greed? On and on insanities On and on short-sighted greed abounds Oh, it takes a heart like Mary's these days.... You have no sense of consequence Oh my head is in my hands... Bad dreams are good In the great plan....we hope. No sense of self and other No self-consciousness. But now we have to grapple With our man-made world backfiring Keeping one eye on our brother's deadly selfishness. (Does Joni nail it or what? Go Joni!) Pardon the political content encore une fois, but I just had to share this message below. It turned my bomber anger into butterflies this morning. I hope it does the same for you. Applause, applause --- LIFE is our cause! September 30, 2008 Dear Patti, WE DID IT!!! Let us repeat: WE DID IT! We joined together, in a wonderful, resolute outpouring of democracy. We stood toe-to-toe with Wall Street and their lackeys in Congress, and defeated them. Amazing what can happen when the people stand up! In Washington DC, as CODEPINK staged a "die-in" on the steps of the Capitol to say "Bailout? Over my dead body," Cong. Carolyn Kilpatrick gave us a big hug and said, "It's thanks to you that the bill is better than it was, and it's thanks to you that the next bill will be better than this one. Keep it up." That's just what we intend to do-demand that Congress go back to the drawing board and come up with bottom-up solutions that will provide direct relief for struggling homeowners, invest in a productive economy and force Wall Street to pay for its mistakes. Now is the time to mobilize our "people power." This Wednesday, October 1st, we are taking to the streets again to say "Bail out Main Street, not Wall Street!" If your Congressperson voted for this bill, take your event to their office. Show your outrage with a picket line, a sit-in or-better yet-organize a 24-hour encampment outside their office or their home. Find or create an event in your area. Remember, call the media! Flood the offices of your rep and Senator with calls (202-224-3121). Tell them to only vote Yes on future bailout bills that will directly benefit the American people. Add that we can save $12 billion a month by bringing our troops home! Tell Senators Obama and McCain to provide leadership by standing up for the people, not Wall Street. Sign the petition and we will hand-deliver your signatures and comments to their DC offices on Wednesday, October 1. We've breathed some life back into our democracy, but we can't stop now! Email your friends, your families, your coworkers, your sports team, your religious group, you civic organization and tell them the moment is now to stand up against giving away our tax dollars to the rich. Let's join together this Wednesday and make them feel our power! Dana, Deidra, Desiree, Farida, Gael, Gayle, Jean, Jodie, Liz, Lori, Medea, Nancy, and Rae p.s. To educate yourself about the current crisis and alternative solutions, read: Time for a Taxpayers Revolt Joseph Stiglitz article on the Huffington Post Subprime Mess Explained in a PowerPoint Presentation Dollars and Cents blog http://bailoutmainstreet.com (our coalition partner) Great YouTube of Rep. Marcy Kaptur ******** Love, Patti P., singing "Power to the People" right now, out loud! Yikes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wos-dDxpJlQ (Where you can see "Shine your light on John and Yoko Miss Liberty") _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? now njc Please tell me you are not the Prime Minister of Canada! but then, I wonder if anyone would call him "Steve." - --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Steve Harper wrote: > Thanks, guys! Y'all are great. > > Steve > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:39:07 -0400 From: Steve Harper Subject: RE: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? now njc Why, yes, yes, I am..... ; ) (the other) Steve Harper > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:44:16 -0700 > From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca > Subject: RE: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? now njc > To: bob.muller@fluor.com; jamiezubairi@gmail.com; swharper@hotmail.com > CC: joni@smoe.org; kenevans@umich.edu > > Please tell me you are not the Prime Minister of Canada! but then, I wonder if anyone would call him "Steve." > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Steve Harper wrote: > > > > Thanks, guys! Y'all are great. > > > > Steve > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:23:24 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: NJC '50s Book Search Dear lovely Joni smarty-pants (pantses?) My niece is the manager of a bookstore in Massachusetts and has the following request. I wondered whether any of you could help her: "dear smart friends, i just found this post (below) on the American Bookseller Association forum page, where i occasionally go and wow fellow booksellers with my ability to google things and find obscure titles for them. the children's book described in this latest post sounds so cool, and is so utterly un-googleable, that i am now dying to know what it is. i am hoping that it may ring a bell to one of you? yes, i have googled the crap out of it, to no avail. any leads? (dad-----could grandma help??) thanks either way! love, hilary "former google meister" emerson lay "I've got a customer looking for a children's book from the 1950's (she thinks) about a boy in the Midwest (she thinks) who lives on a farm, which gets destroyed by a tornado, along with everyone he knows. Afterwards, he creates his family and friends out of clay and then a fairy appears and makes them real again." Susan Fox Red Fox Books Downtown Glens Falls, NY" Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:52:37 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: njc, Alleluia for Paul Newman, and JT TV alerts > Loved it, especially his stories about drinking beer and Paul Newman. > > Jerry > > NP: James Taylor - Wichita Lineman > Well, then I'm glad I dragged my Patti Parlette ass out of bed to post it! Speaking of JT, he was (I thought) supposed to be on Good Morning America today. Either I missed it, or GWB pre-empted him. Hold on. Let me check. (I'm telling you to hold on.) http://abcnews.go.com/gma Now this is strange! It says he was on today, so I guess I missed it. But I saw this same performance a few weeks ago on GMA. Filmed at the Red Lion Inn in Stockbridge (at the end of the turnpike from Boston). I even posted about it. Didn't I? What's going on? (I'll go ask Alice. I think she'll know.) Here I was waiting for JT to show and I get GWB. Ewwwwwwwwwwww! No wonder I screamed! Anyway, JT's supposed to be on The Colbert Report tonight, and Oct 7: Leno Oct 8: Tavis Smiley (ooooh la la! Love him!) Oct 22: Charlie Rose Nov 27: Macy's Thankgsiving Day Parade Over and out (or over the top and outta my mind), Patti P., broadcasting tower, wavin' for ya _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:58:13 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: "Rainy Night House" w/ The L.A. Express LOL, Dave -- But, yeah--I know ...... Guess I went a little over-the-top THIS time, didn't I? ;-) Especially by comparing the current Presidential nominees to works of art (what the he# was I thinking?--LOL). Yet, at the same time I suppose I made my point. And it's NOT as if I absolutely hate 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns' or 'Hejira.' After all, I'm SURE I had them both memorized within a week of their release. However, in retrospect I STILL feel they're vastly overrated, and that they remain the worst albums Joni had ever recorded up to that point. XXXOOO, Billy...snug in his fire-proof suit (and bullet-proof vest). ;-) NP: '...And I Mean It!' (1979) by Genya Ravan __________________________________________ Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILINMD083-8f948e23b532e; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:44:45 -0400 Received: from smtp120.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp120.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.93]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD041-8f948e23b532e; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:44:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 36740 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 14:44:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-T o:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Su bject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=HaKLTQArBbH/d3rNrZkPVcQeQB94MMraUc4EaPJOkM30t9tw4SuCUkjGra1kUXNgvPgd aLQ29VEk7XhAKbJ+MEfKK2rT6oCSpaDEnirWRIqKcvzTIq3+19mIHfu+Rrg2vd25QSP5hO nKyyKcETG6bOxz1lXj+NhdQZSk1JdzgPE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.66?) (beatntrack@71.136.250.186 with plain) by smtp120.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 14:44:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .ZQLAB8VM1n5LN_6A7Xm.IgVmMBHW.Q5ZG5cYRwAdUAuLcEBBwY.DxGvyAq y2YXh0ieP1sAJEgUJe0sO5Atg2D7BkN9QXXaMy_eRwitg27Ubo0Olvr6i_t6p5vtqCztQW qxYeSIr1wtH0sbxs8HCRlPi2c1b X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <200809300700.m8U70IMJ006650@smoe.org> References: <200809300700.m8U70IMJ006650@smoe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: "Rainy Night House" w/ The L.A. Express Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:41:33 -0700 To: joni@smoe.org, Wtking59@cs.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AOL-IP: 69.147.64.93 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : smtp120.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ; SPF_helo = n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : sbcglobal.net ; SPF_822_from = n On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:00 AM, Billy wrote: > Therefore, I think that comparing the brilliant 'Miles of Aisles' > to the > comparatively disastrous 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns' (or even > 'Hejira,' for that > matter) is sorta like comparing Barack Obama to John McCain. To me, > there IS > no comparison. Oooooohh Billy....I think you'll encounter a certain amount of disagreement there, both the premise and the comparison. Wear a fire proof suit for a few weeks. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:59:59 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, All the people at this Sarah Palin pity party... "The Sarah Palin pity party Everyone seems to be oozing sympathy for the fumbling vice-presidential nominee. Please. Cry me a freaking river. By Rebecca Traister" http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/30/palin_pity/?source=newsletter xo, pp npimh: River _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:26:07 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: bail out - Dennis Kucinich, njc Marianne shared: questioning the bail out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF_MZVWM3E ***** This is GREAT, Marianne. Thank you, Dennis Kucinich! Everyone who comes into my office today will see it. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:53:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Songs not on albums Quirky **IS** good. Quirky is definitely NOT Joni. Quirky is Frank Zappa, They Might Be Giants, Sufjan Stevens - they do (or did in the case of Zappa) quirky pretty solid. Joni, not so much. Kate, you might want to check your Quirkometer and get it re-calibrated. Bob NP: B-52's, "Love Shack" (they did quirky pretty good too, they just didn't know when to quit) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: songs not on albums Okay Muller... I have to disagree vigorously : --) on leaving Nathan LaFreneer off of STAS. It is a harbinger of things to come... the first recorded song that has what I call that rolling sound... the music sounds as if we are in the cab headed for the airport. And of course that sound reached its zenith on Hejira. Conceptually it is a song that takes us from the city to the seaside. I believe it is Marcie who is in the cab to leave her desperate loneliness behind. It has an antiwar, environmental message... contains some classic dualism... an aging cripple selling Superman balloons. It's just a great little mystery of a song. And there's something about it which always reminded me of a Jeff Buckley song... of course I don't know who was influenced by who, but I hear a lot of those references in early Joni. And on top of all that I simply love the song. On another note thank you so much for the Sharon stuff... what a wonderful gift... signing off for now, Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:31:17 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: bailing, + homeowners, njc Hi everyone, just a thought about bailing out. all this other talk about . . . . bailing out homeowners, Why? I wonder. I mean, if you took out a loan that you could not afford . . . then it is the free market. You made a mistake.. . If the math does not add up. . . it does not add up. If you are depending on an adjustable mortgage then you are knowingly gambling. You know the conditions of the loan. You knew it was adjustable, no? People live or try to live above their means. . . this is an error. My question is this, Why is Barak Obama (or the other one) not talking about home ownership for those who work every day, make an honest living, do not live above their means, try and try to get a home. . and still they live in an apartment. They too want the American dream. You know what I mean. . . I rather help these people. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:07:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: songs not on albums Really? Kind of interesting since Jeff Buckley was TWO when STAS came out. LOL, I know you meant TIM Buckley and not Jeff, you just were a little bucked up there. As for Nathan La Freneer, I'm not lobbying for its removal from STAS, I'm just saying that she had some better ones at the time than what she went with. I like STAS as it is just fine - Clouds too. Bob NP: Bonnie, "(Goin') Wild For You Baby" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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LOL, I know you meant TIM Buckley and not Jeff, you just were a little bucked up there. As for Nathan La Freneer, I'm not lobbying for its removal from STAS, I'm just saying that she had some better ones at the time than what she went with. I like STAS as it is just fine - Clouds too. Bob NP: Bonnie, "(Goin') Wild For You Baby"------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Kate, you might want to check your Quirkometer and get it re-calibrated. Bob - --------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:10:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? now njc You may be a Joni-fan, but I still ain't voting for you! ;-) - --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Steve Harper wrote: > From: Steve Harper > Why, yes, yes, I am..... ; ) > > (the other) Steve Harper > > > > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:44:16 -0700 > > From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca > > > > Please tell me you are not the Prime Minister of > Canada! 82mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:09:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Jonifest in Winnipeg aka Pegfest 2009 greetings all, as it stands, I have not had any luck in finding the *right* location for Pegfest. Ive got a full plate of work/family things going on now, and really cannot come through with anything that would work. Ive been trying to find a low cost, simple place, but just cant. Unless a littlel miracle happens, I may as well bow out for 2009 anyway. Dave Blackburn has graciously been writing to me off list , waiting in the wings for me to make a decision. Dave, I thank you for your time and patience, and of course the kindness shown. I know that the SoCal fest will be brilliant fun. take care all Mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:40:34 -0400 (EDT) From: marie Subject: Re: bailing, + homeowners, njc From WIZBANG: Look at that number. It's amazing. Yet to hear our leaders talk about it, they need every penny to prop up the mortgage lenders. They don't. And I figured out how to put it in terms anyone can understand:. At first, I saw that number and I had to ask... How many bad mortgages are there? Then after playing with that hypothetical in my head I wondered, how many mortgages are there in active in the whole country? So I looked it up. According to this 2006 pdf from the U.S. Census, there are 33 million owner occupied dwellings with first mortgages active. (1) Hmmm 700,000,000,000 / 33,000,000 = Over $21,000 cash the government could just give to everyone with a mortgage! What kind of stimulus would that have on the economy to hand 33 million people $21,000? But then I took it to the next level... On page 174 of the pdf (page 158 of the doc) I found an interesting table. (2) Click for full size. I put the highlighted numbers into a spreadsheet to figure out just how many mortgages $700 Billion could retire if they gave the money (back) to the people. I got this.(3) The Bottom Line: If the Treasury simply took the $700 Billion and started paying off taxpayer mortgages, they could pay off every mortgage in the country worth less than $75,000... Or put another way, $700 Billion could pay off well over half of all outstanding first mortgages in the entire country. Do you really think they need this much money? So I say we just take the cash and pay off half the mortgages out there and see what that does to the credit market and the economy. Are ya with me? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, just a thought about bailing out. all this other talk about . . . . bailing out homeowners, Why? I wonder. I mean, if you took out a loan that you could not afford . . . then it is the free market. You made a mistake.. . If the math does not add up. . . it does not add up. If you are depending on an adjustable mortgage then you are knowingly gambling. You know the conditions of the loan. You knew it was adjustable, no? People live or try to live above their means. . . this is an error. My question is this, Why is Barak Obama (or the other one) not talking about home ownership for those who work every day, make an honest living, do not live above their means, try and try to get a home. . and still they live in an apartment. too want the American dream. You know what I mean. . . I rather help these people. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http:They //windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:06:16 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: bailing, + homeowners, njc > The Bottom Line: If the Treasury simply took the $700 Billion and started paying off taxpayer mortgages, they >could pay off every mortgage in the country worth less than $75,000... Or put another way, $700 Billion could >pay off well over half of all outstanding first mortgages in the entire country.> > Do you really think they need this much money? I find that very interesting there, Marie. I think, perhaps, there IS a better alternative. I don't know exactly what it is, I would venture to say there IS a better alternative to the the 2 choices: do nothing or spend tAX payer SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION. write a poem for me. . SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION seven hundred biLLION seven hundred billion buys a lot of rice seven hundred billion digs a lot of wells alseep at the switch hand on the switch? (now you . . . free associate) _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:58:55 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? Freddie is Freddie garcia, Detroit pitcher who lost to the White Sox yesterday Juan is Juan Uribe, Sox shortstop and this year great third baseman filling ion for Joe Crede Here we go White Sox, beat the _____ Twins Vince On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > I know that "Juan" is Jann Wenner - I forget who Freddy is or maybe we > never knew. > > Bob > > NP: Prince, "Satisfied" > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Steve Harper > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:32:56 PM > Subject: FW: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? > > Ken and I were just observing the tenth anniversary, and came up with the > question in the subject header. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 > F681DAD532637 > !5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:00:15 -0400 From: Vince Subject: sorry everyone forgot the tag This of course is NJC sorry On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Vince wrote: > Freddie is Freddie garcia, Detroit pitcher who lost to the White Sox > yesterday > > Juan is Juan Uribe, Sox shortstop and this year great third baseman filling > ion for Joe Crede > > Here we go White Sox, beat the _____ Twins > > Vince > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > >> I know that "Juan" is Jann Wenner - I forget who Freddy is or maybe we >> never knew. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Prince, "Satisfied" >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Steve Harper >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:32:56 PM >> Subject: FW: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? >> >> Ken and I were just observing the tenth anniversary, and came up with the >> question in the subject header. >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. >> >> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 >> F681DAD532637 >> !5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: for free times two someone, sorry i forget who, had mentioned they liked the character in the song 'for free' so i went looking for an early version. and found the gorgeous bbc 1970. she's just so beautiful here. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HmzN1p5q2sY and then i found this: beautiful and tender http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=sLahlYFYBBw i love some of the comments, including a marriage proposal ;-) mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 02:39:25 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Sharon Update+ favorite character on Joni's songs Kate from CA wrote: I don't know if she's my favorite but there is something about Marcie that always got to me so deeply. And years later, with the knowledge we have of her life & her becoming pregnant, it makes sense why that song was so deep. Then on the other side of the emotional spectrum were Trina, Annie & Estrella who in a way, now that I think of it, were some of my biggest influences. I became, as well as lived among, them when I moved to California. **** Encore une fois, high-five Kate! Yes, Marcie, poor Marcie, always waiting for that letter (please please Mr. Postman) and unable to find comfort in melancholy. And of course those lovely Ladies of the Canyon. I've been thinking on this one. Joni has endeared us to all of her characters, so it's a Sophie's Choice. And then it came to me, like lightning striking from above...no contest. Willy! I would be his lady all my life. He is a simple man, and he sings a simple song. Have I ever told you how much I love Graham Nash? (LOL, I know I have....) From Bus Stop and Carrie Anne to Songs for Beginners, and our shared abhorrence for Military Madness, and then of course his solid love for Joni, expressed so purely and reverently in the WOHAM documentary. I'm so excited that I'm going to be seeing him in two weeks! He and Croz are going to put on some kind of harmony! xo, pp P.S. Oh yes, all the Sharon stuff is GREAT! Thanks BM & CoT. Like Kenny B, I can't wait to hear about that road trip. Fourteen-year old girls traveling in some vehicle with parents. I have a few stories of my own. Fourteen-year old girls HAVE to be together. I remember a trip to Lake George (Carnival in Kenora/Song About the Midway atmosphere) in 1968 (or 1969?) w/ my friend Rose and her parents, the two of us thrilling to each others words in the back seat, and the music on the radio. Dock of the Bay and Brown Sugar come to mind. (Songs are like tattoos.) You never forget those trips! And all the times my Mom drove us through the town, letting us sing Lady Madonna at the top of our lungs.... I hadn't seen Rose in nearly 30 years (the last time I saw Rose was Waterbury in 1975, when we ran into each other after a Fleetwood Mac concert), but we reconnected when our Moms were sick. Her Mom died last year, and I went to the wake (a four-hour drive on a school night, but no regrets, coyotes). There was a long line, and I was at the end of it, but when Rose saw me, she just blew by everyone else and said: "Awww. You came!" After an interminable beautiful hug, she walked me up to the coffin and said: "Look, Mom. You brought us back together!" I then went on to reminisce about listening to Tapestry in her bedroom all the time, and then Rose said: "Yeah, and JONI!" I have to wonder how it was with Sharon and Joni at her mother's services. NPIMH: Old Friends, Simon and Garfunkel (you know the lyrics...I'm not going to post them because then you'll all be pickin' on me again....LOL!) "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: So, who are Freddy and Juan anyways? NJC And they just barely did, winning 1-0 and stalling the inevitable. Face it, the Cubs are just better this year. Bob NP: Earth, Wind & Fire, "Medley: Africano/Power" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:16:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: "Rainy Night House" w/ The L.A. Express I have to respond to a few things in your post. First of all, ouch! Your slam of THOSL is like a stake going into my own heart! I'm kidding of course but that is one of the best albums ever recorded (not to mention my favorite Joni album...followed closely by Blue) in my opinion. It is an album I very often listen to. Harry's House and Sweet Bird are two songs that I could not live without. Now I can't say that you are wrong in your opinion of it as music is subjective. But oh how subjective it is! When you throw THOSL on, you hear a "dated, artificial sound." When I throw it on, I hear a "fresh, welcoming, soothing sound." I also especially love Joni's vocals on the entire album. They are very crisp, cool, and breezy. Though I do enjoy MOA, I'd choose THOSL over it hands down. Although I can speculate why MOA did so well on the charts yet does so poorly (or perhaps the correct statement would be why it does not do as well) on JMDL polls. This was the album following C&S. C&S hit it big and made Joni not only an artist but a star. She had always been an artist but her star power was at its greatest after C&S. Since that particular album did so well on the charts, the people who were into C&S decided to of course stick around and see what else Joni had to offer at the time. Now not all of them stuck around, because as with many hit albums, people tend to like the hit and nothing more (unless you are indeed a fan!). Now on the polls, I'd speculate people just like other albums more--particularly other studio albums as most of the songs came from previous studio albums. That's all. No big reason behind it I think. Although I will say this about MOA, which tends to put me in the minority as far as this version is concerned. I absolutely love the MOA Woodstock. I love the funky, jazzy, rocky rendition of it. I often read the word "dated" applied to that version but I love it. That is my story and I'm sticking to it. - -Monika NP: Just for Today- George Harrison VERY interesting that everyone LOVES this sensational version of "Rainy Night House" so much, while the disc it's taken from ('Miles of Aisles') always seems to languish somewhat in the (JMDL) album poll. This is especially troubling to me since it tied as one of her two most commercially successful recordings (along with 'Court And Spark,' it reached #2 on the Billboard album charts) shortly after its late-1974 release date (note: by far, the closest she's ever come--before or since--has been #4 with 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns' in '75). Gotta say it all kinda reminds me of the way our current--and inexplicably baffling--Presidential polls are shaping up. And THIS after the worst political administration in U.S. history. I mean, I really don't understand how they can even be CLOSE after all the corruption and lies of the past eight years. But, maybe it's just me. The wonderful, "reworked" arrangements on 'MOA' (by Tom Scott and The L.A. Express) still sound so organic and fresh--particularly when compared to the dated, artificial sound of 'THOSL.' And Joni's strong, soaring vocals on this historic tour remain the greatest of her entire career. Therefore, I think that comparing the brilliant 'Miles of Aisles' to the comparatively disastrous 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns' (or even 'Hejira,' for that matter) is sorta like comparing Barack Obama to John McCain. To me, there IS no comparison. IMO, the hands-down winners of BOTH should be obvious to anyone with ears and/or a functioning brain! :-o So, vote OBAMA (...and 'Miles of Aisles') !!! XXXOOO, Billy P.S. Did that sound HARSH? ;-) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #232 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------