From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #227 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 26 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 227 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Probably NJC/From Bo [Peep Richman ] Re: Probably NJC/From Bo ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Probably NJC/From Bo ["T Peckham" ] Notes from Sharon [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Now: Happy Birthday 1975 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Now: Happy Birthday 1975 [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Now: Happy Birthday 1975 [Catherine McKay ] margaret atwood speaks out about cutbacks to the Arts in Canada NJC [Mags] Re: Now: Happy Birthday 1975 NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: margaret atwood speaks out about cutbacks to the Arts in Canada NJC [] asking for prayers (njc) [Vince ] NJC A brilliant idea for $5 or $10/Not [Patti Parlette ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Probably NJC/From Bo I ,have been in a state of utter silence...verbally...certainly there was/still is pounds of sounds in my head. When I heard Bush address the nation tonight and actually say that he has asked Obama & McCain to be in Washington Thursday I was completely floored. Tricky, tricky, tricky. I wonder who actually is the brain-child of this manipulative (on so many levels) presidential command? My having so little faith in the Washington machine is completely intensified at this point. And I'm wondering if "they" realized the transparency of this trick...can Bush and McCain give so very little credence to the thinking power of Americans? I found this to be such an insult. Senator Obama stated the real deal when he said that the President must be able to deal with many crisis at the same time and that he saw no reason to delay the debate (I don't know if he said this in that short footage). So, Senator Obama states his position, saying that if he is needed and called to Washington he would immediately go to Washington...but for Bush to do this on world-wide watch of his TV address tonight-it's so, so transparent. And completely insulting. I try not to post, or discuss my personal thinking concerning politics...but had to have the JMDL as an outlet for my reaction...believe me, I'm writing in a rather gentle manner, devoid of the powerful rage I feel. I would have just loved the opportunity to be in the same room with Joni if she chose to listen to Bush tonight. I can only imagine her reaction. Switching gears...Bob, I think it's a wonderful idea to compile some of our responses to what Sharon shared and send it to her. Bravo! Still not ready to answer the questions on your poll, Pamela...soon, I hope. I'm not sure if I can sleep or even rest...I was going to say tonight but it's in the wee hour of Thursday morning. Maybe I'll read "Alice in Wonderland". Be well and safe dear friends. Bo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:26:37 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Probably NJC/From Bo Indeed Bo, I personally can't stand to watch the man...pathological liars don't usually change their modus operandi ... however I skimmed through a recounting of what he had to say on HuffPo...so predictable. Keep this in mind everyone. Please. As Naomi Klein has pointed out in her book Disaster Capitalism, we (the American public) are now experiencing just what she describes in the narrative unfolding that is being engineered and foisted on the masses that an 'imminent crisis is at hand. Naomi Klein states that panic, rushing, and "shock" are key psychological techniques used to manipulate behavior, quite successfully done after 9/11 and the introduction of the Patriot Act, the dissembling which was the tying of WMD and the omnipresent boogieman "Al-Qaeda" to Iraq to justify an invasion of a sovereign country, and now a bailout of Bush's own crony ruling elite buddies, so they can further enrich themselves and take the taxpayer's money (there isn't any at this point - it's simply more debt that will be issued) and run without consequence. An unregulated frenzy of greed should not all of the sudden be socialized. This is because there consequently be even less money left to fund programs for the poor, etc... the excuse will be made that these legitimate social programs should be severely cut back. It is a house of cards, it is a Ponzi scheme, and let the whole thing blow up in these greedy bastard's faces. Short-sighted businessmen need to get a dose of reality for the CONSEQUENCE that their fancy-named gambling instruments (derivatives, etc...) that made them obscenely rich that can just as suddenly wipe out all their weatlh and let their jaguars in their drives be repossessed and the sex goddesses will all the sudden find they have no more use for these repuganant gnomes. They should be arrested, every one of them. Any notion of a bailout for such thieves is absurd. And unfortunately Congress (both brancehs) - beholden to campaign funds of the failed and bailed out entities - and this sociopath we have for President who has destroyed everything he touches and bankrupted the USA are just as complicit as the ruling elite that they really serve. "Shine on Vegas and Wall Street Place your bets" - -- - -Mark In Florida On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Peep Richman wrote: > I ,have been in a state of utter silence...verbally...certainly there > was/still is pounds of sounds in my head. > When I heard Bush address the nation tonight and actually say that he has > asked Obama & McCain to be in Washington Thursday I was completely floored. > Tricky, tricky, tricky. I wonder who actually is the brain-child of this > manipulative (on so many levels) presidential command? > My having so little faith in the Washington machine is completely > intensified at this point. And I'm wondering if "they" realized the > transparency of this trick...can Bush and McCain give so very little > credence to the thinking power of Americans? I found this to be such an > insult. Senator Obama stated the real deal when he said that the President > must be able to deal with many crisis at the same time and that he saw no > reason to delay the debate (I don't know if he said this in that short > footage). So, Senator Obama states his position, saying that if he is > needed and called to Washington he would immediately go to Washington...but > for Bush to do this on world-wide watch of his TV address tonight-it's so, > so transparent. And completely insulting. > I try not to post, or discuss my personal thinking concerning > politics...but had to have the JMDL as an outlet for my reaction...believe > me, I'm writing in a rather gentle manner, devoid of the powerful rage I > feel. > I would have just loved the opportunity to be in the same room with Joni > if she chose to listen to Bush tonight. I can only imagine her reaction. > Switching gears...Bob, I think it's a wonderful idea to compile some of > our responses to what Sharon shared and send it to her. Bravo! > Still not ready to answer the questions on your poll, Pamela...soon, I > hope. > I'm not sure if I can sleep or even rest...I was going to say tonight but > it's in the wee hour of Thursday morning. Maybe I'll read "Alice in > Wonderland". > Be well and safe dear friends. > Bo > - -- - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:19:43 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Probably NJC/From Bo I feel you both. :-( I'm still up trying to finish stuff I neglected all day because I was riveted to the tube watching coverage of all the wackiness and just plain absurdities going on in this country. Parts of it were so ludicrous as to (almost) be hilarious. McCain and Letterman, anyone? (If you don't routinely watch any late-night TV---or any TV, for that matter, check out Letterman online if you can. He's been standing up for a few months now . . . last night he came out swinging and pulled NO punches.) Everything you said Bo and Mark, and much more . . . but it's too overwhelming and I'm *finally* tired! One more glass of wine and one more listen to "La Cienega Just Smiled" . . . . (Ryan Adams, *Gold*) Terra On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Mark Angelo wrote: > Indeed Bo, I personally can't stand to watch the man...pathological liars > don't usually change their modus operandi ... however I skimmed through a > recounting of what he had to say on HuffPo...so predictable. > > Keep this in mind everyone. Please. As Naomi Klein has pointed out in her > book Disaster Capitalism, we (the American public) are now experiencing > just > what she describes in the narrative unfolding that is being engineered and > foisted on the masses that an 'imminent crisis is at hand. Naomi Klein > states that panic, rushing, and "shock" are key psychological techniques > used to manipulate behavior, quite successfully done after 9/11 and the > introduction of the Patriot Act, the dissembling which was the tying of WMD > and the omnipresent boogieman "Al-Qaeda" to Iraq to justify an invasion of > a > sovereign country, and now a bailout of Bush's own crony ruling elite > buddies, so they can further enrich themselves and take the taxpayer's > money > (there isn't any at this point - it's simply more debt that will be > issued) > and run without consequence. An unregulated frenzy of greed should not all > of the sudden be socialized. This is because there consequently be even > less money left to fund programs for the poor, etc... the excuse will be > made that these legitimate social programs should be severely cut back. It > is a house of cards, it is a Ponzi scheme, and let the whole thing blow up > in these greedy bastard's faces. Short-sighted businessmen need to get a > dose of reality for the CONSEQUENCE that their fancy-named gambling > instruments (derivatives, etc...) that made them obscenely rich that can > just as suddenly wipe out all their weatlh and let their jaguars in their > drives be repossessed and the sex goddesses will all the sudden find they > have no more use for these repuganant gnomes. They should be arrested, > every > one of them. Any notion of a bailout for such thieves is absurd. And > unfortunately Congress (both brancehs) - beholden to campaign funds of the > failed and bailed out entities - and this sociopath we have for President > who has destroyed everything he touches and bankrupted the USA are just as > complicit as the ruling elite that they really serve. > > > "Shine on Vegas and Wall Street > Place your bets" > > -- > -Mark In Florida > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Peep Richman > wrote: > > > I ,have been in a state of utter silence...verbally...certainly there > > was/still is pounds of sounds in my head. > > When I heard Bush address the nation tonight and actually say that he > has > > asked Obama & McCain to be in Washington Thursday I was completely > floored. > > Tricky, tricky, tricky. I wonder who actually is the brain-child of > this > > manipulative (on so many levels) presidential command? > > My having so little faith in the Washington machine is completely > > intensified at this point. And I'm wondering if "they" realized the > > transparency of this trick...can Bush and McCain give so very little > > credence to the thinking power of Americans? I found this to be such an > > insult. Senator Obama stated the real deal when he said that the > President > > must be able to deal with many crisis at the same time and that he saw no > > reason to delay the debate (I don't know if he said this in that short > > footage). So, Senator Obama states his position, saying that if he is > > needed and called to Washington he would immediately go to > Washington...but > > for Bush to do this on world-wide watch of his TV address tonight-it's > so, > > so transparent. And completely insulting. > > I try not to post, or discuss my personal thinking concerning > > politics...but had to have the JMDL as an outlet for my > reaction...believe > > me, I'm writing in a rather gentle manner, devoid of the powerful rage I > > feel. > > I would have just loved the opportunity to be in the same room with Joni > > if she chose to listen to Bush tonight. I can only imagine her reaction. > > Switching gears...Bob, I think it's a wonderful idea to compile some of > > our responses to what Sharon shared and send it to her. Bravo! > > Still not ready to answer the questions on your poll, Pamela...soon, I > > hope. > > I'm not sure if I can sleep or even rest...I was going to say tonight > but > > it's in the wee hour of Thursday morning. Maybe I'll read "Alice in > > Wonderland". > > Be well and safe dear friends. > > Bo > > > > > > -- > -Mark in Florida > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:07:08 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Notes from Sharon And she's already responded to describe how overwhelmed she is by her 'celebrity' and feelings we have for this song. She's promised to come back with a lengthier narrative but wants to give it some time. So stay tuned, more is on the way - and hopefully some pictures too! Bob NP: Rolf Harris, "Stairway To Heaven" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:23:18 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Now: Happy Birthday 1975 Since I had a birthday this week I'll show my age. Back in the 70's when Mingus came out the phrase 'rap music' was unknown (which is not to say that the form didn't exist...exhibit A, Gil-Scott Heron but I digress). Back in the day, "rap" merely meant talk. Coffeehouses and would-be hip locales held 'rap sessions' for folks to get together and discuss/debate topics. Since the non-musical tracks on Mingus are more spoken word than anything else, they were referred to as raps. Bob NP: Me First & The Gimme Gimmes, "Stairway To Heaven" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Bob NP: Me First & The Gimme Gimmes, "Stairway To Heaven" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Now: Happy Birthday 1975 Yup. Another ancient one chimes in here to say, that's what "rap" means to us fogies. There was this incredibly STUPID song back then called "The Rapper" about a sleazeball who picks up chicks with bad lines. Now I'm going to go all Patti Parlette on your ass and include the lyrics below because, like everything, you can find it on the internet! And now I'm going to have to wash out my eyes and ears and mouth with soap to get the nasty sight, sound and taste of that one out o' my head. "The Rapper" (As recorded by Jaggerz) DON IRIS Hey girl I'll bet you There's someone out to get you You'll find him anywhere; on a bus, in a bar, in a grocery store He'll say "Excuse me, haven't I seen you somewhere before?" Rap-a-rap-a-rap They call him the rapper Rap, rap, rap you know what he's after. So he starts his rappin' Hopin' something will happen He'll say he needs you, a companion, a girl he can talk to He's made up his mind, he needs someone to sock it to. Rap-a-rap-a-rap They call him the rapper Rap, rap, rap you know what he's after. He's made an impression So he makes a suggestion "Come up to my place for some coffee, or tea, or me." He's got you where he wants you Girl you better face reality. Rap-a-rap-a-rap They call him the rapper Rap, rap, rap you know what he's after. Rap-a-rap-a-rap They call him the rapper Rap, rap, rap you know what he's after. - --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Now: Happy Birthday 1975 > To: "Mark Angelo" > Cc: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org > Received: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 8:23 AM > designation > as there is nothing rap at all about the song.> > > Since I had a birthday this week I'll show my age. Back > in the 70's when > Mingus came out the phrase 'rap music' was unknown > (which is not to say > that the form didn't exist...exhibit A, Gil-Scott Heron > but I digress). > > Back in the day, "rap" merely meant talk. > Coffeehouses and would-be hip > locales held 'rap sessions' for folks to get > together and discuss/debate > topics. Since the non-musical tracks on Mingus are more > spoken word than > anything else, they were referred to as raps. > > Bob > > NP: Me First & The Gimme Gimmes, "Stairway To > Heaven" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged > material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance > upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, > please > contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the > company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: margaret atwood speaks out about cutbacks to the Arts in Canada NJC http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080924.wcoarts25/BNStory /politics/home?cid=al_gam_mostview I know that there's an Atwood fan or two in the crowd, just wanted to share this article. Ohhh baby, when Margaret Atwood speaks! Our federal election date is October 14th and I'm hoping that letters like this one will help us all wake up and oust Mister Harper pronto. Mags p.s. I think there's a photo kickin' around somewhere of Margaret Atwood and Joni. anyone know the link? i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:05:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Now: Happy Birthday 1975 NJC Oh sure, I remember that one - actually a very fun cheesy one-hit wonder song. And it always brings me a smile because it reminds me of my Mom & I were in Eckerd's drug store - they used to feature the top 20 45RPM records in a rack up at the front of the store, and she took a look at the sign and said "Look - The Rape-er"...not that rape is funny, obviously, but it was a very funny blooper at the time and a story we told for years. Also a bit o' synchronicity as her birthday is the 26th - she passed away 20 years ago and I miss her every day. So thanks for going all Patti on my ass - brought back a fun memory. Bob NP: Massive Attack - "Teardrop" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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(http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:27:58 -0400 From: Vince Subject: asking for prayers (njc) I don't usually post items of this nature but I ask for prayers for my friend Heidi, whose five month old son died suddenly yesterday while he was napping. Jayden came to Heidi and her husband late in life, the pregnancy was not easy, Heidi of course was devoted to her son and was just changing jobs so she could be home with him more - just came from from landing a new position and was telling her husband and they went to check on the baby who had gone down for a nap a little while before and they found him dead. I called just a short while ago to see how Heidi was doing and was of course blown away by the news. The husband is blaming himself for not checking the baby more often etc etc etc and this is every parent's nightmare and I can't stop crying for Heidi and her husband. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:45:55 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC A brilliant idea for $5 or $10/Not Jeannie wrote: Find me another organization I can contribute to that lets Sarah Palin know she's not fit for the vice-presidential job. ******** There's a wide word of noble anti-Palin causes. Check out this one, and be forewarned that the 1:02 video is horrifying and heartbreaking (sixty seconds worth of horror and cruelty): https://secure.defenders.org/site/Donation2?idb=0&df_id=1547&1547.donation=form1&autologin=true&s_src=6JY08WDC4F&s_subsrc=6JY08WDC4F_EJI08D4b Defenders of Wildlife Fund, if the link doesn't work. They want to run this ad during the debates and need money to do so. She'd shoot Joni's bear, who's got a right to be here! Shine on lousy leadership, Licensed to kill. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:16:07 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, sittin' up waitin' for my sugar to show I'll throw this announcement out there just in case anyone in Paris or NYC has ever heard of my friend Sami Ameziane and/or his friend Mehdi Minos. Our Joni world can be small and intimate, so ya never know. ***** HE IS BAAAAAAACK! Samy is Back and he is not coming alone! From Saint-Denis to Storrs, via Paris and New York, Samy, slammer and stand-up comedian and his friend Mehdi Minos, video artist, will entertain us this THURSDAY 25 SEPTEMBER, in ARJONA 105 (the auditorium on the first floor) at 8 pm. Samy, poet and ex-student in French and Italian in the Department of Modern and Classical Languages, ex-husky basketball player, slammer and comedian extraordinaire, known in showbiz as "Le comte de Bouderbala." After UConn, he conquered the French comedy club scene first by doing stand-up with the Jamel Comedy Club, and now by working with the slam artist Grand Corps Malade on the best venues and stages in France. He is back in the US doing his stand-up routines in comedy clubs in NYC. He never forgot his UConn "family" and he will be doing a one-time performance just for us. His friend Mehdi Minos, a brilliant young director, who created the concept of light painting video, will also demonstrate his talent by showing some of his best videos. He was particularly noticed for his work on Paris by night entitled "Paris by light" that can be seen on dailymotion . This will be a free, unique and extraordinary evening of SLAM, STAND-UP, and VIDEO. You are all invited to come (and bring your friends) The performance will be in French with a bilingual component. Tell everyone in your classes, in the French Club, and around you! **** He's supposed to arrive any minute and I can't wait! Anticipation! He is the sweetest thing. (He's the one who tried to get Rufus Wainright tickets for Smurf's friend last year.) His director-friend is going to be making a documentary of his visit and Sami wants me to talk about all "the helps" I gave him when he was here. I'm feeling like a moooOOOOOooooovie queen! But I might get so damned timid or frightened silence....who knows? He had one magic year with us (2004-2005). He actually became a walk-on for our famous and fantabulous UConn Husky basketball dream which was a dream-come-true for him (or any boy). He used to give me 4th row tix. He was always so grateful. "At UConn, I met people who gave me a lot, who opened their hearts to help me build myself," Ameziane said. "There's not a single day when I don't think what a great experience it was. God bless America!" Here's a video of him if anyone is interested. Some parts are little difficult to understand. French sub-titles for CoT and Mags (I owe you a reply, ma soeur) and Michael (from Laurentide) Mountains and other Francophiles. Vince, I think you might like it, too. Kind of Eminem-y in a way? What do I know... http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x3nvu0_teaser-musique-des-lettres-rouda-vs_music/video/x5nkkd_le-comte-de-bouderbala-a-new-york_fun?from=rss Thanks for all the space. I'm just coloring up some sunshine minutes until he arrives....now where in the city, can that boy be? ; ) Bon soir! xo, pp P.S. Happy One Year Anniversary of the release of SHINE! (A good day to put it on your iPod, Cassy. Don't let me down, now! At least for completists sake....) _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: margaret atwood speaks out about cutbacks to the Arts in Canada NJC thanks jimmy, quick to the draw, as always! see? i think there were a few jmdlers in town the week that Joni was in Toronto. Stephen Epstein, I believe, was at the Star event. My my my how the time has flown. mags, enjoying the winds of change in my own life ;;-)) Here's one link, Mags http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=687 I've got a few pics of the two of them, that I need to scan and send to Les.. Jimmy ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:43:15 -0400 From: Vince Subject: njc a few more words on Jayden's death Thanks to all who shared some kind words of understanding - some of you read some of this but there is something else I have not shared yet - As a parent, I cannot imagine ever getting over the death of a child, especially an infant. As a pastor, I don't know anyone who has gotten over it. Once the baby things are packed up etc etc etc - the rest of your life there is the absence of one who should be there. Heidi is my hair stylist and friend, she's 38, unexpected pregnancy, she was certain the delivery would go bad and it took forever like 36 hours, but the baby was healthy and perfect and she was happy and then the post partum depression hit and the salon put her on leave and I called to see if she'd cut my hair because she is the only person in 80 miles I trust -- and her husband answers, I ask for Heidi, and he starts saying random stuff about Heidi starting at a new salon and some really off statements and it took a few seconds for it to register what he was saying amongst the random words - then I got him to tell me with some degree of consistency what happened and dad is blaming himself as any of us would - he described the confusion of walking in and seeing the baby in an odd position in the crib and lifting up the baby and turning him over and seeing half his face and body was blue and he tried CPR while screaming for Heidi to call 911... I didn't talk to her, she was at the funeral home making arrangements, picking out a casket when my children and grandchildren were small, I would actually put my finger under their nose when they were sleeping to make sure they were breathing - it is just the worst nightmare to lose a child and especially an infant I never met the little one, but I spent a lot of time with Heidi talking her through the pregnancy and then time talking with her when she was back at work before the depression hit hard - I can't imagine what she is feeling now I can't imagine that as a parent. As a grandparent though... in January my son Jeremy the Marine (Gage's father) and his wife Myomi suffered a late term miscarriage, the dead fetus was a girl, the first one that would have been born in the family since 1970 and that was essentially a miscarriage that medical science was able to keep alive and so my former wife's first child Amy is horribly deformed, essentially adult size with the consciousness of a newborn and she's 38 years old - there is just nothing there, she'll never be more and you struggle with the concept of sometimes is it better for a child in those situations to die - would Amy have done better iof she had died rather than exist in this virtual unconscious world - -- one reason my former wife and I are so adamently pro choice is we saw far too many children, now adults, in these situations with no life quality and minimal care because the hypocritical right to lifers do not support paying taxes for the quality of life such as it might be for those people in this situation of which ther are so many and we know that only because of her Amy - - so we looked at the late term miscarriage of my grand daughter as perhaps the best thing ever if in her imperfections that caused the miscarriage gave her fetal death and saved her from living the non-life that Amy has, we were like, thank God (I really, we thanked God with all our hearts) that my granddaughter died a fetal death and was spared a living hell and living death and people thought we were evil so I didn't talk about it to anyone really Heidi's child's death brings this all to the emotional fore I teach group exercise and I went to the yoga class before the class that I taught tonight, the yoga to calm myself, and focus on the word "gratitude" which may seem odd when in the shock of death and the reminder of my would be granddaughter's miscarriage death - but my ficus on gratitude was a gratitude that God was crying too, that God never meant for death to be a part of our existence, which is why the Apostle Paul calls death God's enemy. Death is God's enemy, never is death God's will, and my gratitude is for a God who weeps and cares for us in our tragic pain. By the time yoga was over and my class began, the spirit of gratitude for a God who cares had infused me and I had it together enough to do my class. The unfocused energy within me caused me I am sure to lead a class that made great energy demands on the students - they had one hell of a workout and then I did my own personal cardio and took my heart beat to the 165 beats/minute range (I am shape to do that but I don't take it there often and never for as long as I held it today) and just expended all kinds of energy so I would finally finally sit down and be at physical peace. Sorry for my meanderings. I live alone. Sometimes I just have to say something. And I should have used my private blog I suppose but it ended here. Sorry for the intrusion. This babbling of mine, ignore, or more. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #227 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------