From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #217 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 17 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 217 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Treasure [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: talk to me, talk to me, njc U.S. Politics ["T Peckham" ] Re: Joni Treasure [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: njc, Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator, and how to cope ["T Peckham" ] Re: ["T Peckham" ] Re: visionary njc ["T Peckham" ] Re: Joni Treasure [Catherine McKay ] talk to me, talk to me, njc [Patti Parlette ] Re: Joni Treasure [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: talk to me, talk to me, njc [Laura Stanley ] SJC - Costello tapes with Cash, Mellencamp, Kristofferson and Norah Jones [Patti Parlette ] Re: SJC - Costello tapes with Cash, Mellencamp, Kristofferson and Norah Jones [Bob.Muller@Fl] Re: Joni covers (from UK Guardian) + Retro Covers Volume 30 [Bob.Muller@F] RE: Was Shawn Colvin Loudon's "Aphrodisiac?" (NJC) [Steve Harper ] njc, shadows and light and keeping your gut reactions hid [Patti Parlette] Re: Joni Treasure [Catherine McKay ] Re: Treasured Joni Item(s) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] njc, talk to me, talk to me now about RFK [Patti Parlette Subject: Re: Joni Treasure Bob, I have kept that photo of you and Joni on my computer. I look at it every once in a while so as to live vicariously though you. My most treasured Joni possession is the DVD of Woman of Heart and Mind. I have a lot of rare Joni bootlegs but that documentary was so well made and it gives me Joni as a whole. Mark in Sydney NP Maya - Banco de Gaia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:26:38 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: talk to me, talk to me, njc U.S. Politics Kate and Debra, I second that, with one exception: I don't think the newsmedia, or anyone, for that matter, have been "harsh" enough in truly*vetting * Palin, tho at least they're making some effort, unlike McCain. I think it's great that you and so many others are inspired by Obama, and I hope he is indeed able to implement many of his ideas and plans. As for Biden, tho I don't agree with everything he's done in the Senate, I do love that he has fought for women's rights (of all kinds, as you said) and that he has extensive foreign policy experience. (I wonder if he even--gasp!--speaks French, the original language of diplomacy. I think we'd do well to go back to it.) Terra On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: > Beautiful post Debra. I agree with everything you said. Thank you. Kate > > >I've tried to not be anti-Repub, Laura, but it's hard to avoid talking > about the Repubs when what they're doing is the reason most people are > looking closely at Barack. The Obama campaign is stressing the positive... > and that filters down even to his volunteers... < > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:26:23 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Treasure Catherine, that's creepy. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:29:09 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Treasure No, Bob. That was my first thought too. It's kind of like realising that the Queen farts. Anyone want a Joni turd? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:34:49 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: njc, Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator, and how to cope Thanks for the links. ;-) Terra On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Patti Parlette wrote: > Hola, Joniamigos! > > Jimmy dear, was it you, many dim years ago, who posted a link to find your > squirrely name (or something like that)? > > Here's a Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator! > > http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html > > Patricia Margaret becomes Gravel Blood Palin. > > Roberta Joan becomes Pistol Tanker Palin. > > Okay, that was just for fun. (You just have to laugh, cuz it's all so > crazy.) > > I found that in this article, which is humorous but also very helpful, imo. > Comfort and consultation, you know, that's what you'll find. > > A call to arms > How to handle the fury brought on by this election? Register voters, hit > the streets, pray. Stop talking about her. Talk about Obama. > > By Anne Lamott > > One uplifting snippet (to reel you in): > > "Figure out one thing you can do every single day to be a part of the > solution, concentrating on swing states. Money, walking precincts, > registering voters, whatever. This is the only way miracles ever happen -- > left foot, right foot, left foot, breathe. Right foot, left foot, right > foot, breathe. The great novelist E.L. Doctorow once said that writing a > novel is like driving at night with the headlights on: You can only see a > little ways in front of you, but you can make the whole journey this way. It > is the truest of all things; the only way to write a book, raise a child, > save the world." > > > http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/16/anne_lamott/index.html?source=newsletter > > "And take very gentle care of yourself and the people you most love: We > need you now more than ever." > > Peace, > > Patti (a.k.a. Steak Leather and Scampy McNutt) > > > "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd > be peace." > -- John Lennon > > http://www.imaginepeace.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. > > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:12:04 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: visionary njc I don't think a visionary is the one who brings the vision into place all of a sudden... visionaries have the foresight & the big picture view & the charisma... but it is others who eventually manifest that vision into reality through lots of hard work... kate Terra >nor do I, sad to say, think he's a visionary who's going to bring Real Change to the country.< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:32:11 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Hi Chuck and C Karma, very nice to hear about your books. It sent me to alibris for an update. (Haven't checked there in a while---no money. :-( ). So of course, what do I finally find but a copy of a book I've been looking to replace for eons. (Actually, I'll never part with my beat-up old copy, but would love to have a clean one.) It's perhaps the first??*Joni Mitchell Complete,* published in 1971. And it's . . . $250.00. Oh well . . . Is this the "first folio" you just bought, Chuck? (Altho I think you wrote that yours was published in '69?) Is it the first two albums combined? The one I have includes many of Joni's early unrecorded songs, along with the first four albums, the album artwork, and many photos like the ones you describe. http://www.alibris.com/booksearch.detail?invid=9163819549&author=joni+mitchell&qwork=3455605&qsort=p&page=1 More below. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, c Karma wrote: > Chuck wrote: > > I was lucky enough to come by a nice copy of the first folio, with > the same self-portrait that appears on the 'Clouds' album cover... > > > I took some handheld shots of it which I'd be happy to share with > anyone who writes me off-line, and is nice. > > If you see this book, jump on it. There is a gatefold black and white > photo by Bonnie Schiffman in the front of the book, and numerous > other b&w and color photos by Graham Nash, Joel Bernstein, and > others including 'Mrs. William Anderson' and these last are presumably > the childhood shots. Great pix of Graham and Cros...on and on. > > ... still looking for the Blue folio, and an FTR that isn't falling > apart!" Back in the day, I'd never seen any Joni songbooks until I found the "Complete" mentioned above. Since it contained a reprint of the *Blue*folio, I was content with it. So I was just about jumping up and down with unexpected excitement when, while browsing a used shop for something else entirely a couple years ago, I happened on a pristine copy of it for $7.00! While I have to agree that the arrangements could be better, I believe they're in the correct keys (for piano, that is) and provide a good foundation if you're able to improvise. *For the Roses* was the next book I bought, and yes, my copy lost its binding decades ago, but otherwise is very clean. And yes, Joni's watercolors (?) relating to each song (including an emotionally revealing portrait of JT) are well worth having along with the wonderful transcriptions. I have *Court and Spark* and two copies--one pretty messed up--of *Hissing*, and two copies of *Hejira*. Why I didn't buy *Don Juan's Reckless Daughter* is a puzzle to me, all these years later, but maybe I'll get lucky and find an affordable one. For reasons I won't bore you with, I don't have any others, but am inspired now to seek out some of them. Is Dave's transcription of the section of "Down To You" for piano? (Alas, I don't play guitar.) I was too damned lazy back in the day to figure it out for myself, and would love to have it. ---Best of luck finding Blue and For the Roses for less than an arm and a leg! Terra NP on headphones: Disc One of Ryan Adams & the Cardinals' *Cold Roses* > > > Now me: > > The flat art aspect of Joni's songbooks has always been fantastic. The > quality of the musical transcription, has if you pardon the expression, hits > and misses. I may be out of line in that I can't speak for the anthology > books, my collection has focused on those books that corresponded to > individual studio albums with the exceptions of yes, "Hits" and "Misses" > (gifts from a dear friend) which I believe contain DULCIMER charts where > appropriate. > > Beginning with "For The Roses" there was an attempt to give musicians what > they needed to reproduce her guitar and piano. With the exception of the > middle section of "Judgement of the Moon and Stars", one can accurately play > the entire album. The system lapsed again for parts of "Court and Spark", > notably the guitar notation for "Just Like This Train" and the center > section of "Down to You" (for which I am eternally indebted to Dave > Blackburn for his glorious, full transcription) and was choc a bloc. > > The standouts for musical accuracy are the "For The Roses", "Don Juan's > Reckless Daughter" (the complete "Paprika Plains") and "Taming the Tiger" > books, but all of them do much to expand the visual reach of what was > limited by the LP album gatefolds of the day and their small scale CD > replacements. How very Joni. > > Chuck, I would encourage you to keep searching for that FTR songbook, but > the weak binding was more common than not. I own two and both have given up > the ghost. The DJRD also has a similar problem. Both books have an > uncoated cover finish which I think has contributed. The C&S books however > are also uncoated and don't seem to have the problem to that degree. > Regarding the "Blue" songbook, the musical transcriptions are very > disappointing making the book not worth the premium I've seen paid on eBay, > in my opinion. The transcription of "Two Grey Rooms" in the NRH book is > worth the price of admission alone. > > Does anyone know what a catalog from "Diary of a Decade" might be worth? > > CC > > > > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:41:11 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: visionary njc No argument here! ;-) Terra On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: > I don't think a visionary is the one who brings the vision into place all > of > a sudden... visionaries have the foresight & the big picture view & the > charisma... but it is others who eventually manifest that vision into > reality through lots of hard work... kate > > Terra >nor do I, sad to say, think he's a visionary who's going to bring > Real Change to the country.< > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Treasure It certainly is, so it's a good thing I made the whole thing up! (Maybe that's equally creepy.) - --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Catherine, that's creepy. Mark in Sydney __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:05:03 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: talk to me, talk to me, njc Kate in CA wrote: The first step is to do your own research; nobody can do that for you. Look at how each of these candidates has performed- in both actions & words. Their words should be judged within the time they were spoken. In other words, if someone stood up against the war when it was unpopular to do so politically, even if they couldn't cast a vote, & you were against the war, then they get points. ETC. ***** Works for me! ; ) Well said, Kate. Thank you. It's funny, Kate, that I think of you often when I see Obama. The first time ever I saw his face and heard him was in a Holiday Inn hotel room on Calle Real, Goleta/SB. I was sitting cross-legged on the bed with the SB phonebook, looking up your number, when he came on our TV set. I was amazed and jumped up and said: "Mom! Dad! LISTEN to this guy! Who IS he?" He said everything I'd been longing to hear. I know they are only words, and can he deliver? But I'd rather have someone who at least articulates the problems and tries to solve them than someone who says the exact opposite -- bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran -- of what I wish for. (Oh, yeah. That was just a "joke"....hardy har har...) The points have been racking up for Obama (ding ding ding ding ding!) ever since, while McCain only gets demerits in my heart and mind as the campaign drags on (and on and on). And then, of course, Obama's being against the war from the beginning is huge for me, because I'm living with war in my heart, every day. (Neil) xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni Treasure That's what I figured but the real creepy thing is that people sell and worse yet buy these strange things. It is creepy that people buy fluids that come out of one's body or bodily remnants I suppose I'll call them (hair, teeth, etc etc), famous or not. Thanks but not thanks. I don't want a lock of anyone's hair or a tooth or anything after he/she has passed. And I certainly don't want a piece of anyone's bed sheets. I guess it was common that when the Beatles were in the Beatlemania period, touring and going from hotel to hotel, that the maids would come up and cut their sheets and sell them as tiny squares for profit. No thank you again. I know what those rock stars did in those hotel beds man! - -Mon - --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Catherine McKay wrote: It certainly is, so it's a good thing I made the whole thing up! (Maybe that's equally creepy.) - --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Catherine, that's creepy. Mark in Sydney __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: talk to me, talk to me, njc Hi Concerned Woman, I didn't send this off list so you were quoted since you signed your original post. We are responsible for the ice melting... human beings. So good for you doing your part. My husband and I do ours too in similar ways. You threw away your vote if you voted for Nader. Too bad that is the case in this country where two parties dominate. As for evil republicans, if we didn't have the rest of the government to balance the president, I'd agree with you. Yes, Bush got us in debt and started a crazy war with Iraq, but he is one person not the whole party. As for feeling like I've been attacked, yes somebody on this list called me several names and told me not to express my opinion. You know who you are, and I love you anyway. I still invite you to talk to me about good things you see in Obama/Biden. Debra has been great! Love, Laura - --- On Wed, 9/17/08, T Peckham wrote: > "A concerned woman"---that would be me. Feel free > to quote me on anything I > write here, anytime, but please give me credit for it. > :-) > > As for "talk to me talk to me"---nope, I'm > done "talking" to anyone who > still considers McCain-Palin a viable choice to lead this > country and > influence the world. (Meaning I'm done trying to > convince anyone otherwise). > I don't do it on political blogs and I won't do it > here anymore. However, > since you kind of called me out again, I'd like to > respond to a few other > things you wrote. > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Laura Stanley > wrote: > > > A concerned woman wrote: > > > > it's extremely important for individuals who > understand what's going on to > > talk to friends, family, acquaintances, neighbors, > and--dare I > > say--coworkers, so they understand what's at stake > here. It's great to join > > groups, but not everyone is able to do so. If one > person convinces just one > > other person to vote Obama . . . you know the rest. > > > > Talk to me talk to me. > > > > But please, not McCain/Palin bashing which I already > know and am not > > impressed by. I need to hear the good that > Obama/Biden have planned, not > > spoken in campaign jargon but in your words. > > > Everything I've written here is in my own words. No > campaign jargon. And my > intent was not to impress anyone, just to try to put some > facts on the table > for consideration. > > > > > All I've gotten when I've asked for this is > attack as if I'm on the other > > side. Well I can see from both sides now, but I am > not a Republican. To > > me, Palin looks like she's getting a bum rap from > people. She's the focus > > not Obama's good solutions. That to me is a bunch > of crap, and it could > > work against Obama in the long run because it turns > swing voters like me > > off. > > > I'm sorry you feel you've been attacked. Did > someone call you a name or tell > you not to express your opinion? I didn't. ----I'm > neither a Republican or a > Democrat, or even a Green Party supporter--tho I did cast a > "protest" vote > for Nader the year of Clinton's second run, when I knew > he'd easily > be re-elected. I've held my nose and voted Democrat > (with that one > exception) since I turned 18: the old lesser-of-two- evils > strategy. As far > as I'm concerned, the last time the Dems put up a > candidate whose values, > intelligence, and judgment I trusted, who truly had the > best interests of > the majority of Americans as his/her main agenda, was RFK > in '68. I was too > young to vote, but I paid attention to the battle raging > between my dad and > my older brother (who campaigned for Eugene McCarthy), > until that awful June > night that followed that awful April day when vibrant > idealism died in this > country. Personally, I don't think any meaningful > reforms or overhauling of > our present system can happen without a second American > revolution. But > that's just me. > > What else . . . Oh, I agree with you that what both > campaigns are doing is > "a bunch of crap." The difference is that the > Republicans have perfected it, > and the Dems are simply damned if they does and damned if > they doesn't. > > > > > > > As for the wolf killing thing, it appears the way she > is able to do it is > > by a loop hold in the federal legislation, and the > Alaskans are justifying > > it saying they are protecting other species that are > on the endangered list: > > > > > > "In response to concerns like these, Congress > passed the Federal Airborne > > Hunting Act of 1972, which made it illegal for hunters > to shoot animals from > > a plane or helicopter. > > The federal legislation (PDF) does have a loophole for > predator control, > > permitting state employees or licensed individuals to > shoot from an aircraft > > for the sake of protecting "land, water, > wildlife, livestock, domesticated > > animals, human life, or crops." (This doesn't > just apply to wolves; coyotes > > and foxes are sometimes gunned down from aircraft, > especially in Western > > states.) Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial > wolf-hunting permits in select > > areas where moose and caribou > > populations are particularly endangered. > > > > > > http://www.slate.com/id/2199140/ > > > I really have nothing to say about this other than, > here's the last > paragraph of the article: > > "Back in the 1950s, Alaska paid government employees > and bounty hunters to > take out thousands of wolves, but today's aerial wolf > killers are unpaid. > (They can make some money by selling the wolf pelts.) > *Palin tried last year > to have the state pay $150 for every wolf killed, but the > state superior > court shot that down as an illegal use of bounty payments, > which were > outlawed in that state in 1984."* > > > > > > > I've been reading about the polar bears too. > Palin doesn't want them on > > the endangered species list because to do so would NOT > remove the greatest > > threat to polar bears which is loss of their food > source: endangered ice > > seals populations decreasing as ice melts. What it > would do is make > > territory where the Alaskan people want to drill for > natural gas off limits. > > > I don't know enough about this particular statement to > comment on it, other > than . . . *errrrm, why is the ice melting??!?!??* Would > you care to quote > Palin on that? > > > > > > > As for the drilling... it is going to continue and > increase somewhere on > > the earth as long as we are addicted to petroleum. > And as long as we, you > > and I, are addicted, we are going to cause global > warming which is leading > > to the death of ice seals and polar bears. > > > Also, given that we are going to support drilling on the > earth as we > continue to use petroleum in our cars and houses, I can see > how it would be > in our national interest to drill here rather than > depending on drilling > done by people who are hostile toward us which is what we > are doing now. > Maybe if it was done more here, we would be quicker to > look for alternative > sources because we would see the damage being done to our > earth unlike > now... kind of like maybe if more people become aware of > what happens to > cattle, etc. they'll quit eating these animals, quit > the massive killing and > quit consuming the panic hormones of the death and > mistreatment which can't > be good for peace. > > Well, I can't possibly refute that logic, so all > I'll say is this: I > haven't owned a *new* car since my parents helped me > buy a Mazda 323 4-spd. > (great mileage) back in 1992. (Which I sold a couple years > later when I > moved back to NYC, where I didn't need a car, and where > I wish I'd stayed.) > All the other used cars I've owned have been gas-saving > subcompacts that > I've driven till they died. I recently got a great deal > on a *'98* Subaru > Forester, 5-spd., which feels like a brand-new luxury > vehicle to me. I have > been living (if you can call it that) without a car for the > last four years, > because I was too broke to save up the money for one. (I > don't do credit or > loans, but that's a whole 'nother story.) I drive > it only when necessary--to > the grocery store, the doctor, the vet, the occasional trip > out of town. > > I've been recycling garbage and other household stuff > since the 70s; due to > financial circumstances, I share a house with four other > unrelated adults, > one of whom, my landlady, keeps the heat low in winter and > has made the > house about as "green" as a 100-yr-old house can > be; I quit eating meat a > long time ago, except for free-range organic chicken and > turkey. So kindly > don't lump me in with the average American. > > I'm not here to debate and will wait for the debates to > see who presents > better concrete solutions. I would like to hear your > understanding of > Obama's solutions... not from the stand that McCain > this or Palin that. I > would really like to vote for Obama, but so much attention > is on Palin, I > get turned off. I'd like to hear how ya'll > understand Obama's plan of > action so I can understand and relate to it too. I've > read his website and > that long document he wrote, but it is hard for me to > understand and pick > out concrete solutions from there. > > I think Debra addressed this in her msg. better than I can. > (Thanks!) And > frankly, I don't pretend to understand all of > Obama's plans, nor do I, sad > to say, think he's a visionary who's going to bring > Real Change to the > country. (See above). But I do know that this country and > many of its people > simply won't survive another Republican administration, > nevermind the rest > of the world. (And right at the moment, it doesn't look > their precious > capitalist economy is going to survive the greed and > mismanagement of the > last 8 years. Remember, Clinton left office with a large > budget surplus, > long since gone and squandered, mostly by a bunch of > obscenely wealthy > soulless old white men who won't relinquish their grip > till they finally > die.) > > Anything else? > Terra > > Love, > Laura > > > > -- > Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: > You can kiss my > sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:29:33 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: SJC - Costello tapes with Cash, Mellencamp, Kristofferson and Norah Jones Cassy wrote: I wish Elvis Costello would add Joni to his list of subjects to interview. I can do some wishful thinking can't I? **** Of course you can! "When you wish upon a STAR, makes no difference who are...." Good friends, you and me. But don't say Joni and I didn't warn ya: "If you can dream And not let dreams be your master..." What? You don't know those lines? Don't tell me you don't have SHINE on your iPod yet! ; ) CASSY! xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:08:43 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Treasured Joni Item(s) Gang, The Cookbook....'cause Joni and I both have one. Russ Mischief Managed _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:09:19 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: SJC - Costello tapes with Cash, Mellencamp, Kristofferson and Norah Jones Cassy I'm sure that you know that there already is a terrific Elvis interview with Joni: http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=1182 Bob NP: The Spinners, "I'll Be Around" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:15:34 -0400 From: Steve Harper Subject: RE: Was Shawn Colvin Loudon's "Aphrodisiac?" (NJC) Yeah, the Little Red Riding Hood reference, the age reference as younger than Loudon but old enough (she would have already been in her early thirties by then, I believe, the ambitious comment, the timing ...it all adds up to me. I guess it's apropos of nothing, but kind of voyeuristically fun to think about. Are you a Shawn Colvin fan, Jeannie? Steve > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:17:39 -0700 > From: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Was Shawn Colvin Loudon's "Aphrodisiac?" (NJC) > To: joni@smoe.org; scjoniguy@aol.com; scjoniguy@yahoo.com; swharper@hotmail.com > > I think the song's written around Shawn. > > Jeannie > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Steve Harper wrote: > > > From: Steve Harper > > Subject: Was Shawn Colvin Loudon's "Aphrodisiac?" (NJC) > > To: joni@smoe.org, "Bob Muller" , "Bob Muller" > > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:25 PM > > Hallo, JMDLers...been getting into Loudon Wainwright > > III's stuff lately..... > > > > There's something I've wondered ever since I first > > heard one of his songs, > > "Aphrodisiac," from "Therapy" (1989). > > > > I am wondering if anyone else thinks, as I do, that the > > narrator's (Loudon's) > > affair is with none other than Shawn Colvin? > > > > The details all seem to fit, as far as I can tell. A > > meeting in London, > > perhaps, in the mid to late 80's. > > > > Here's the song, "Aphrodisiac": > > > > "He was checking her out at the sound check > > She was sounding and looking real good > > Kind of a cross between Edith Piaf > > and Little Red Riding Hood. > > She was young enough to be his daughter > > And old enough to have been around > > Good enough to blow him off of that stage > > And good enough to bring the house down. > > He said, "You must be my opening act" > > She said, "I've heard a lot about you" > > They made small talk about her direct box > > And all his record company blues. > > She must have gotten her dress sense > > From outta some comic book > > But he could see she was ambitious > > Underneath the waif-like look. > > > > On the showbiz merry-go-round > > It's so hard to snag the ring > > But there she was just startin' out > > A future next big thing. > > She was bound to be a critic's darlin' > > So he knew what she was gonna go through > > At first it feels like the tunnel of love > > But it can turn on you. > > And then you're runnin' a gauntlet > > That can seem like a marathon > > The next thing you're having your first come-back > > And you're wonderin' where you'd gone. > > Well, he didn't need a protege > > He'd seen "A Star is Born" > > But he was sorely tempted > > More than slightly torn. > > > > That night she got three encores > > And he got one, but took two. > > They had dinner back at his hotel > > And breakfast in bed, too. > > You know talent is an aphrodisiac > > And they don't stock it on the shelves > > And they say opposites attract > > But some people just love themselves. > > They said goodbye in the lobby > > The one-night stand had been enough > > He felt a little bit tender > > She'd been a little bit rough. > > But it hadn't been lust, it wasn't real love > > They weren't even hardly lonely > > It was more like lookin' for somethin' he'd > > lost > > And her morbid curiousity." > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone > > with Windows Live. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:42:47 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Songbooks Funny, but I went back through my collection last night and found that indeed, "Turbulent Indigo" and "Taming the Tiger" were carefully notated with regard to guitar tunings and tabs. I also came upon a copy of what Chuck is calling the "first folio." Mine is titled "The Music of Joni Mitchell", and has the self portrait from the "Clouds" album, was published in 1969, cites the photo references that Chuck mentioned and also has the photo poster intact inside the front cover. The rarest songbook of all, so far as I can tell is "Dog Eat Dog." Unfortunately, it's probably the least sought after as well. I've only ever seen ONE on eBay, and I bought it. HOSL and Hejira are available in very good supply. CMIRS is also widely available. Terra, yes, Dave's transcription is for piano! He turns you into an orchestra, letting the piano speak for the woodwinds and strings. Joni's "orchestral" arrangements usually follow her piano closely but every so often sections step out and these have to be reached for. What makes the early songbooks' piano transcriptions so frustrating is that they don't leave the melody as her recorded piano does, to provide rhythm and color. CC ________________________________ > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:32:11 -0500 > From: northern.muse@gmail.com > To: ckarma@hotmail.com; c.eisenhardt@earthlink.net; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: > > Hi Chuck and C Karma, very nice to hear about your books. It sent me to alibris for an update. (Haven't checked there in a while---no money. :-( ). So of course, what do I finally find but a copy of a book I've been looking to replace for eons. (Actually, I'll never part with my beat-up old copy, but would love to have a clean one.) It's perhaps the first??Joni Mitchell Complete, published in 1971. And it's . . . $250.00. Oh well . . . > > Is this the "first folio" you just bought, Chuck? (Altho I think you wrote that yours was published in '69?) Is it the first two albums combined? The one I have includes many of Joni's early unrecorded songs, along with the first four albums, the album artwork, and many photos like the ones you describe. > > http://www.alibris.com/booksearch.detail?invid=9163819549&author=joni+mitchell&qwork=3455605&qsort=p&page=1 > More below. > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, c Karma wrote: > Chuck wrote: > > I was lucky enough to come by a nice copy of the first folio, with > the same self-portrait that appears on the 'Clouds' album cover... > > > I took some handheld shots of it which I'd be happy to share with > anyone who writes me off-line, and is nice. > > If you see this book, jump on it. There is a gatefold black and white > photo by Bonnie Schiffman in the front of the book, and numerous > other b&w and color photos by Graham Nash, Joel Bernstein, and > others including 'Mrs. William Anderson' and these last are presumably > the childhood shots. Great pix of Graham and Cros...on and on. > > ... still looking for the Blue folio, and an FTR that isn't falling > apart!" > > Back in the day, I'd never seen any Joni songbooks until I found the "Complete" mentioned above. Since it contained a reprint of the Blue folio, I was content with it. So I was just about jumping up and down with unexpected excitement when, while browsing a used shop for something else entirely a couple years ago, I happened on a pristine copy of it for $7.00! While I have to agree that the arrangements could be better, I believe they're in the correct keys (for piano, that is) and provide a good foundation if you're able to improvise. > > For the Roses was the next book I bought, and yes, my copy lost its binding decades ago, but otherwise is very clean. And yes, Joni's watercolors (?) relating to each song (including an emotionally revealing portrait of JT) are well worth having along with the wonderful transcriptions. I have Court and Spark and two copies--one pretty messed up--of Hissing, and two copies of Hejira. Why I didn't buy Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is a puzzle to me, all these years later, but maybe I'll get lucky and find an affordable one. For reasons I won't bore you with, I don't have any others, but am inspired now to seek out some of them. > > Is Dave's transcription of the section of "Down To You" for piano? (Alas, I don't play guitar.) I was too damned lazy back in the day to figure it out for myself, and would love to have it. ---Best of luck finding Blue and For the Roses for less than an arm and a leg! > > Terra > > NP on headphones: Disc One of Ryan Adams & the Cardinals' Cold Roses > > > Now me: > > The flat art aspect of Joni's songbooks has always been fantastic. The quality of the musical transcription, has if you pardon the expression, hits and misses. I may be out of line in that I can't speak for the anthology books, my collection has focused on those books that corresponded to individual studio albums with the exceptions of yes, "Hits" and "Misses" (gifts from a dear friend) which I believe contain DULCIMER charts where appropriate. > > Beginning with "For The Roses" there was an attempt to give musicians what they needed to reproduce her guitar and piano. With the exception of the middle section of "Judgement of the Moon and Stars", one can accurately play the entire album. The system lapsed again for parts of "Court and Spark", notably the guitar notation for "Just Like This Train" and the center section of "Down to You" (for which I am eternally indebted to Dave Blackburn for his glorious, full transcription) and was choc a bloc. > > The standouts for musical accuracy are the "For The Roses", "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" (the complete "Paprika Plains") and "Taming the Tiger" books, but all of them do much to expand the visual reach of what was limited by the LP album gatefolds of the day and their small scale CD replacements. How very Joni. > > Chuck, I would encourage you to keep searching for that FTR songbook, but the weak binding was more common than not. I own two and both have given up the ghost. The DJRD also has a similar problem. Both books have an uncoated cover finish which I think has contributed. The C&S books however are also uncoated and don't seem to have the problem to that degree. Regarding the "Blue" songbook, the musical transcriptions are very disappointing making the book not worth the premium I've seen paid on eBay, in my opinion. The transcription of "Two Grey Rooms" in the NRH book is worth the price of admission alone. > > Does anyone know what a catalog from "Diary of a Decade" might be worth? > > CC > > > > > > > -- > Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:53:15 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, shadows and light and keeping your gut reactions hid Political Content Deepak Chopra wrote a good piece (imo) about the campaign. About "the shadow" (shadows and light) and keeping your gut reactions hid: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/obama-and-the-palin-effec_b_126944.html "Realize that American politics has been dominated by shadow issues for decades, so it's only natural they still have claws and teeth. But their game has gotten old and tired. If you are able to see past the appeal to fear and resentment, have trust that other people can, too." You've got to be braver than that You tackle the beast alone With all its tenacious teeth! Light the lamp. xo, pp NPIMH: So raise the candles high Cause if you don't we could stay Black against the sky Oh oh raise them higher again And if you do we could stay dry against the Palin! _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Treasure It's creepy, bizarre and freakish. I'm not sure what's worse - people buying this stuff, or people selling it. And of course, I'm cheap - you may have noticed the high price tag I placed on that non-existant item. I couldn't afford that to begin with, but you couldn't pay me to take such a thing either. Yech!!! Of course, now I'm feeling all guilty about sending that post. - --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni Treasure To: "Joni people!" , "Catherine McKay" Received: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:07 AM That's what I figured but the real creepy thing is that people sell and worse yet buy these strange things. It is creepy that people buy fluids that come out of one's body or bodily remnants I suppose I'll call them (hair, teeth, etc etc), famous or not. Thanks but not thanks. I don't want a lock of anyone's hair or a tooth or anything after he/she has passed. And I certainly don't want a piece of anyone's bed sheets. I guess it was common that when the Beatles were in the Beatlemania period, touring and going from hotel to hotel, that the maids would come up and cut their sheets and sell them as tiny squares for profit. No thank you again. I know what those rock stars did in those hotel beds man! - -Mon - --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Catherine McKay wrote: It certainly is, so it's a good thing I made the whole thing up! (Maybe that's equally creepy.) - --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Catherine, that's creepy. Mark in Sydney __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:54:15 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Treasured Joni Item(s) And I got mine on Monday, and NOW I can see why you all were so concerned...OMG, if this kind of information got in the wrong hands...I shudder to think. (being a little sarcastic here) I might even try cooking something from it sometime. Bob NP: REM, "Ages Of You" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:11:47 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, talk to me, talk to me now about RFK Terra wrote: As far as I'm concerned, the last time the Dems put up a candidate whose values, intelligence, and judgment I trusted, who truly had the best interests of the majority of Americans as his/her main agenda, was RFK in '68. **** Yeah! (Can you tell me, where they've gone?) Another high-five, all over this land! Did you see what RFK, Jr, wrote on September 15 at 11:27a.m. EST on Huffington Post? It's horrible and distressing, but I do believe we have to lay it all down. FWIW: "Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that "some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies." It might be worth asking Governor Palin for a tally of the other favorites from her reading list." **** Sorry to be the bearer of this yuckiness. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:40:25 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: SJC - Costello tapes with Cash, Mellencamp, Kristofferson and Norah Jones - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Parlette" <<< Don't tell me you don't have SHINE on your iPod yet! ; ) >>> Nope, I don't have Shine on my iPod, I don't particularly like Shine, Patti. I know I'm a heretic and have privately been told off by some fans of Shine already AND told I'm not a TRUE fan of Joni's because I don't like it so don't you start in on me too, Patti! love, love, love, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: RE: Was Shawn Colvin Loudon's "Aphrodisiac?" (NJC) Yes, I'm glad to say I am a Shawn Colvin fan. I have all of her work. I love the way she sings and plays her guitar. She's awesome. Shawn comes right on in for me just after Joni and Rickie Lee. Jeannie NP: (I just had to put it on) Shawn singing Warren Zevon's and Jackson Brown's, 'Tenderness On The Block.' I dedicated that song to my youngest sister way back in the early 90's when she was growing up. She, too, loves Shawn Colvin for many reasons. - --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Steve Harper wrote: > From: Steve Harper > Subject: RE: Was Shawn Colvin Loudon's "Aphrodisiac?" (NJC) > To: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 10:15 AM > Yeah, the Little Red Riding Hood reference, the age > reference as younger than > Loudon but old enough (she would have already been in her > early thirties by > then, I believe, the ambitious comment, the timing ...it > all adds up to me. > > I guess it's apropos of nothing, but kind of > voyeuristically fun to think > about. > > Are you a Shawn Colvin fan, Jeannie? > > Steve > > > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:17:39 -0700 > > From: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: Was Shawn Colvin Loudon's > "Aphrodisiac?" (NJC) > > To: joni@smoe.org; scjoniguy@aol.com; > scjoniguy@yahoo.com; > swharper@hotmail.com > > > > I think the song's written around Shawn. > > > > Jeannie > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Steve Harper > wrote: > > > > > From: Steve Harper > > > Subject: Was Shawn Colvin Loudon's > "Aphrodisiac?" (NJC) > > > To: joni@smoe.org, "Bob Muller" > , "Bob Muller" > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:25 PM > > > Hallo, JMDLers...been getting into Loudon > Wainwright > > > III's stuff lately..... > > > > > > There's something I've wondered ever > since I first > > > heard one of his songs, > > > "Aphrodisiac," from "Therapy" > (1989). > > > > > > I am wondering if anyone else thinks, as I do, > that the > > > narrator's (Loudon's) > > > affair is with none other than Shawn Colvin? > > > > > > The details all seem to fit, as far as I can > tell. A > > > meeting in London, > > > perhaps, in the mid to late 80's. > > > > > > Here's the song, "Aphrodisiac": > > > > > > "He was checking her out at the sound check > > > She was sounding and looking real good > > > Kind of a cross between Edith Piaf > > > and Little Red Riding Hood. > > > She was young enough to be his daughter > > > And old enough to have been around > > > Good enough to blow him off of that stage > > > And good enough to bring the house down. > > > He said, "You must be my opening act" > > > She said, "I've heard a lot about > you" > > > They made small talk about her direct box > > > And all his record company blues. > > > She must have gotten her dress sense > > > From outta some comic book > > > But he could see she was ambitious > > > Underneath the waif-like look. > > > > > > On the showbiz merry-go-round > > > It's so hard to snag the ring > > > But there she was just startin' out > > > A future next big thing. > > > She was bound to be a critic's darlin' > > > So he knew what she was gonna go through > > > At first it feels like the tunnel of love > > > But it can turn on you. > > > And then you're runnin' a gauntlet > > > That can seem like a marathon > > > The next thing you're having your first > come-back > > > And you're wonderin' where you'd > gone. > > > Well, he didn't need a protege > > > He'd seen "A Star is Born" > > > But he was sorely tempted > > > More than slightly torn. > > > > > > That night she got three encores > > > And he got one, but took two. > > > They had dinner back at his hotel > > > And breakfast in bed, too. > > > You know talent is an aphrodisiac > > > And they don't stock it on the shelves > > > And they say opposites attract > > > But some people just love themselves. > > > They said goodbye in the lobby > > > The one-night stand had been enough > > > He felt a little bit tender > > > She'd been a little bit rough. > > > But it hadn't been lust, it wasn't real > love > > > They weren't even hardly lonely > > > It was more like lookin' for somethin' > he'd > > > lost > > > And her morbid curiousity." > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your > mobile phone > > > with Windows Live. > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. 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