From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 16 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 214 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? [Bob Muller ] Re: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc ["T Peckham" ] wake up, njc [Laura Stanley ] come on now, njc [Laura Stanley ] njc, TV Alert: JT on GMA any minute now [Patti Parlette ] Maybe I'll go to Amsterdam, maybe I'll go to Rome - Really! [Merk54@aol.c] RE: Redux - maybe a Tampa Minifest? now NJC [Cindy Vickery ] Re: Redux - maybe a Tampa Minifest? now NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Song in your head? ["Mark Angelo" ] Questions for Sharon ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: Questions for Sharon [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] (NJC) Corruption? Big Surprise ["Lori Fye" ] RIP - Richard Wright [Cindy Vickery ] Re: RIP - Richard Wright NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Redux ["Jerry Notaro" ] "The Music of Joni Mitchell" (the first song folio) [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Best Concert Ever [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Redux [Bob Muller ] Re: Redux ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Redux ["T Peckham" ] Re: swing states - njc [David Eoll ] Re: swing states - njc [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:31:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc And apparently the R's are already putting people in Michigan to help them disenfranchise voters whose homes are in foreclosure kate > Can someone tell me which states are (do they call them swing > states?) the most uncertain of the outcome of the presidential > election (do they call them swing states?)? > > like > Ohio > Florida > Virginia? > > What else? > > Michigan Minnesota Iowa New Mexico Washington Oregon Montana (by some estimates) New Jersey was thought to be but seems to have solidifed New Hampshire Pennsylvania Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:24:39 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? I'm talking about Herbie's Both Sides Now on his River album. Is that Both Sides Now 'Both Sides Now'? The song is heavily reconstructed that i cannot realize if that song is Both Sides Now if i didn't see the notes. In my opinion, the song is not Both Sides Now anymore because it's way too different from the original. Am i the only one who think so? Rian Starving NR- Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:07:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni pic from Banff Thanks a lot for sharing it, Michael - looks like all she's missing is her little red book. Bob NP: Ani, "Imperfectly" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? No, it's been discussed before. First time I heard it, I didn't know what the heck it was until about 3 minutes or so into it when he give you that ONE little signature melodic moment that lets you know its BSN. Is that a BAD thing? I dunno, but it's not uncommon in the jazz world. Bob NP: Wilco, "What Light" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:18:14 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc Yes, they are employing similar tactics here in Wisconsin as well. It's truly frightening---from everything I've been reading, it's extremely important for individuals who understand what's going on to talk to friends, family, acquaintances, neighbors, and--dare I say--coworkers, so they understand what's at stake here. It's great to join groups, but not everyone is able to do so. If one person convinces just one other person to vote Obama . . . you know the rest. I appreciate those who are keeping this issue going on the JMDL. While I completely respect those who would rather keep politics off the list (and normally I wouldn't keep sounding off because of that), I believe this is truly a life-or-death election: life or death of our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, the rule of law (which is why impeachment and/or war crimes trials are also NECESSARY), to name a few . . . nevermind people's and animal's lives. Terra On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: > And apparently the R's are already putting people in Michigan to help them > disenfranchise voters whose homes are in foreclosure kate > > > Can someone tell me which states are (do they call them swing > > states?) the most uncertain of the outcome of the presidential > > election (do they call them swing states?)? > > > > like > > Ohio > > Florida > > Virginia? > > > > What else? > > > > > Michigan > Minnesota > Iowa > New Mexico > Washington > Oregon > Montana (by some estimates) > New Jersey was thought to be but seems to have solidifed New Hampshire > Pennsylvania > > Vince > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:57:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? Rian, Good jazz deconstructs and reconstructs the music the same way Picasso's cubist paintings deconstructed realistic art. It is part of "Modernism." Jerry > I'm talking about Herbie's Both Sides Now on his River album. > Is that Both Sides Now 'Both Sides Now'? > The song is heavily reconstructed that i cannot realize if that song is Both > Sides Now if i didn't see the notes. > > In my opinion, the song is not Both Sides Now anymore because it's way too > different from the original. > Am i the only one who think so? > > Rian > Starving > NR- Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:22:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: wake up, njc Stop killing animals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=JBuwlZi61M4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: come on now, njc Strong and wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g18UGn30qBk&NR=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:30:13 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, TV Alert: JT on GMA any minute now Woke up, it was Chelsea Morning And the first thing that I heard was that JT is going to be on Good Morning America (ABC). On the porch of the Red Lion Inn in Stockbridge, MA (off the turnpike, west from Boston), down the street from Alice's Restaurant. They are going around town asking people what their issues are in this election. They just showed two women with cats and babies 'round their feet, who said it is time to end the war in Iraq. Time to end it. Right on, mamas! (NPIMH: Hot Tuna....."Keep on truckin' mama, truck my blues away...") What will JT sing? What will he say about this massive mess we're in? xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:23:15 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? Jerry wrote: Rian, Good jazz deconstructs and reconstructs the music the same way Picasso's cubist paintings deconstructed realistic art. >> Yes. But this jazz left only two and a quarter percent of the original melody. Should it be titled Both Sides Now? (oh, yes, why not?) Rian wondering why his reply to Bob's comment didn't appear on the list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Redux FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE From: Lee Courtney, Music Director CONTACT: Flee@wmnf.org, 727-397-7217 WMNF Presents: You Turn me on Im a Radio: a Tribute to Joni Mitchell WHEN: Saturday, November 1st, 6pm-Midnight WHAT: 14 area bands/solo performers do their versions of Joni Mitchell songs WHERE: Skippers Smokehouse, 910 Skipper Road (at Nebraska), Tampa COST: Tickets $12 advance/$15 door Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential female recording artists of the 20th century. Mitchell confronted expectations at every turn; innovative, her music evolved from folk into pop, jazz, avant-garde, and world music, presaging the multicultural experimentation of the 1980/90s by over a decade. Her music resisted the whims of both mainstream audiences and the male-dominated recording industry. While Mitchell's records never sold as many as her contemporaries, none experimented with their artistic identities or explored territory outside of the confines of pop music, resulting in a creative legacy which paved the way for future female performers. To celebrate her legacy and musical diversity, WMNF is presenting 14 bands and/or solo performers ranging in style from Rock to Reggae, Funk to Folk and almost everything in between. All the bands and solo performers will interpret their favorite Joni Mitchell classics in their own style on Saturday, November 1, 2008 at Skippers Smokehouse in Tampa 6pm to Midnight. WMNF Community Radio - 88.5 FM - www.wmnf.org 1210 East Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. Tampa, FL 33603-4449 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:55:16 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Maybe I'll go to Amsterdam, maybe I'll go to Rome - Really! I just read a couple of emails with this as the subject, and it kind of freaked me out, because I will traveling to Frankfurt in a couple of weeks on business, but will be flying in early and leaving a couple of days late so I can bop around Europe for a while. I start my trip as a Free Man in Paris for the weekend (Sept 26), attend my business meetings in Frankfurt on Monday and Tuesday, and then was debating what to do with the rest of the week. I was originally going to go to Amsterdam and meet up with some friends who were going to fly there to meet me, but then they couldn't make it, and the idea of going to Rome suddendly struck me. Maybe it was Joni speaking to me subliminally - who knows. But Rome it is (with a small detour to Florence)! The Joni references never even dawned me while I was making my plans - then I read those emails and made the connection. If anyone has any must do's for Paris, Frankfurt, Florence or Rome (besides the obvious), please drop me line off the list. Jack - who is very excited about his impending trip to Europe. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:57:22 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: RE: Redux - maybe a Tampa Minifest? now NJC I'd be interested in maybe flying down for this, if there's interest in a mini-fest sort of get-together and if I can gather enough pennies. Anyone else? > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:04:08 -0400> Subject: Redux> From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu> To: joni@smoe.org> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE> From: Lee Courtney, Music Director> CONTACT: Flee@wmnf.org, 727-397-7217> > WMNF Presents:> You Turn me on Im a Radio: a Tribute to Joni Mitchell> > WHEN: Saturday, November 1st, 6pm-Midnight> WHAT: 14 area bands/solo performers do their versions of Joni Mitchell songs> WHERE: Skippers Smokehouse, 910 Skipper Road (at Nebraska), Tampa> COST: Tickets $12 advance/$15 door> > Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential female recording> artists of the 20th century. Mitchell confronted expectations at every> turn; innovative, her music evolved from folk into pop, jazz, avant-garde,> and world music, presaging the multicultural experimentation of the> 1980/90s by over a decade. Her music resisted the whims of both mainstream> audiences and the male-dominated recording industry. While Mitchell's> records never sold as many as her contemporaries, none experimented with> their artistic identities or explored territory outside of the confines of> pop music, resulting in a creative legacy which paved the way for future> female performers.> > To celebrate her legacy and musical diversity, WMNF is presenting 14 bands> and/or solo performers ranging in style from Rock to Reggae, Funk to Folk> and almost everything in between. All the bands and solo performers will> interpret their favorite Joni Mitchell classics in their own style on> Saturday, November 1, 2008 at Skippers Smokehouse in Tampa 6pm to> Midnight.> > WMNF Community Radio - 88.5 FM - www.wmnf.org> 1210 East Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.> Tampa, FL 33603-4449 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:04:34 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Eve Ensler speaks out against Sarah Palin I don't think this has been posted yet. Drill, Drill, Drill by Eve Ensler I am having Sarah Palin nightmares. I dreamt last night that she was a member of a club where they rode snowmobiles and wore the claws of drowned and starved polar bears around their necks. I have a particular thing for Polar Bears. Maybe it's their snowy whiteness or their bigness or the fact that they live in the arctic or that I have never seen one in person or touched one. Maybe it is the fact that they live so comfortably on ice. Whatever it is, I need the polar bears. I don't like raging at women. I am a Feminist and have spent my life trying to build community, help empower women and stop violence against them. It is hard to write about Sarah Palin. This is why the Sarah Palin choice was all the more insidious and cynical. The people who made this choice count on the goodness and solidarity of Feminists. But everything Sarah Palin believes in and practices is antithetical to Feminism which for me is part of one story -- connected to saving the earth, ending racism, empowering women, giving young girls options, opening our minds, deepening tolerance, and ending violence and war. I believe that the McCain/Palin ticket is one of the most dangerous choices of my lifetime, and should this country chose those candidates the fall-out may be so great, the destruction so vast in so many areas that America may never recover. But what is equally disturbing is the impact that duo would have on the rest of the world. Unfortunately, this is not a joke. In my lifetime I have seen the clownish, the inept, the bizarre be elected to the presidency with regularity. Sarah Palin does not believe in evolution. I take this as a metaphor. In her world and the world of Fundamentalists nothing changes or gets better or evolves. She does not believe in global warming. The melting of the arctic, the storms that are destroying our cities, the pollution and rise of cancers, are all part of God's plan. She is fighting to take the polar bears off the endangered species list. The earth, in Palin's view, is here to be taken and plundered. The wolves and the bears are here to be shot and plundered. The oil is here to be taken and plundered. Iraq is here to be taken and plundered. As she said herself of the Iraqi war, "It was a task from God." Sarah Palin does not believe in abortion. She does not believe women who are raped and incested and ripped open against their will should have a right to determine whether they have their rapist's baby or not. She obviously does not believe in sex education or birth control. I imagine her daughter was practicing abstinence and we know how many babies that makes. Sarah Palin does not much believe in thinking. From what I gather she has tried to ban books from the library, has a tendency to dispense with people who think independently. She cannot tolerate an environment of ambiguity and difference. This is a woman who could and might very well be the next president of the United States. She would govern one of the most diverse populations on the earth. Sarah believes in guns. She has her own custom Austrian hunting rifle. She has been known to kill 40 caribou at a clip. She has shot hundreds of wolves from the air. Sarah believes in God. That is of course her right, her private right. But when God and Guns come together in the public sector, when war is declared in God's name, when the rights of women are denied in his name, that is the end of separation of church and state and the undoing of everything America has ever tried to be. I write to my sisters. I write because I believe we hold this election in our hands. This vote is a vote that will determine the future not just of the U.S., but of the planet. It will determine whether we create policies to save the earth or make it forever uninhabitable for humans. It will determine whether we move towards dialogue and diplomacy in the world or whether we escalate violence through invasion, undermining and attack. It will determine whether we go for oil, strip mining, coal burning or invest our money in alternatives that will free us from dependency and destruction. It will determine if money gets spent on education and healthcare or whether we build more and more methods of killing. It will determine whether America is a free open tolerant society or a closed place of fear, fundamentalism and aggression. If the Polar Bears don't move you to go and do everything in your power to get Obama elected then consider the chant that filled the hall after Palin spoke at the RNC, "Drill Drill Drill." I think of teeth when I think of drills. I think of rape. I think of destruction. I think of domination. I think of military exercises that force mindless repetition, emptying the brain of analysis, doubt, ambiguity or dissent. I think of pain. Do we want a future of drilling? More holes in the ozone, in the floor of the sea, more holes in our thinking, in the trust between nations and peoples, more holes in the fabric of this precious thing we call life? **** Sarah Palin is not a woman of heart and mind. Peace, Patti P., who was freaked out by a very angry anti-Obama crowd at a McCain rally on TV this morning NPIMH: What's Going On? (Marvin Gaye) _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Song in your head, njc Monika asked, Do you currently have a song stuck in your head? Hi Monika, Yes. And, it should be played on radio stations throughout the world. Love, Laura MORE THAN FRIENDS by Jenny Goodspeed You know I never would have guessed When we became more than friends That sometimes it would feel like less And I would dream of going back now To days when we were more carefree And living independently You were smiling, I was strong The silence didn't seem so long And there was nothing to lose But since we've crossed the lines Dividing lovers and friends There is more to hide Do you remember when You said that I was your dream If we could go back to being friends I would not wish for more Or want to what I couldn't have If we could go back to being friends We might fall in love again If we were friends no questions asked You wouldn't be my mom or dad Or a child who depends on me And asks for more than I can give And my opinion of myself Wouldn't hinge on your approval I wouldn't cling or be unkind or Hold you so accountable for Making me love who I am But since we've crossed the lines Dividing lovers and friends There's a higher price Do you remember when You said I made you feel free If we could go back to being friends How clearly I could see Where you begin and I end If we could go back to being friends We might fall in love again If we could go back to being friends If we could go back to being friends If we could go back to being friends If we could go back to being ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:13:55 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Redux - maybe a Tampa Minifest? now NJC Cindy, We local Joni lovers will gather, for sure. If you fly down I know you will enjoy it. The weather should be perfect. Jerry > I'd be interested in maybe flying down for this, if there's interest in a > mini-fest sort of get-together and if I can gather enough pennies. Anyone > else? > > > > >> > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:04:08 -0400 >> > Subject: Redux >> > From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu >> > To: joni@smoe.org >> > >> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> > From: Lee Courtney, Music Director >> > CONTACT: Flee@wmnf.org, 727-397-7217 >> > >> > WMNF Presents: >> > You Turn me on Im a Radio: a Tribute to Joni Mitchell >> > >> > WHEN: Saturday, November 1st, 6pm-Midnight >> > WHAT: 14 area bands/solo performers do their versions of Joni Mitchell >> songs >> > WHERE: Skippers Smokehouse, 910 Skipper Road (at Nebraska), Tampa >> > COST: Tickets $12 advance/$15 door >> > >> > Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential female recording >> > artists of the 20th century. Mitchell confronted expectations at every >> > turn; innovative, her music evolved from folk into pop, jazz, avant-garde, >> > and world music, presaging the multicultural experimentation of the >> > 1980/90s by over a decade. Her music resisted the whims of both mainstream >> > audiences and the male-dominated recording industry. While Mitchell's >> > records never sold as many as her contemporaries, none experimented with >> > their artistic identities or explored territory outside of the confines of >> > pop music, resulting in a creative legacy which paved the way for future >> > female performers. >> > >> > To celebrate her legacy and musical diversity, WMNF is presenting 14 bands >> > and/or solo performers ranging in style from Rock to Reggae, Funk to Folk >> > and almost everything in between. All the bands and solo performers will >> > interpret their favorite Joni Mitchell classics in their own style on >> > Saturday, November 1, 2008 at Skippers Smokehouse in Tampa 6pm to >> > Midnight. >> > >> > WMNF Community Radio - 88.5 FM - www.wmnf.org >> > 1210 East Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. >> > Tampa, FL 33603-4449 > > > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. > See Now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:31:23 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: NJC Bad Songs Thanks for this.....it would be hard indeed, to think you were the only BJ Snowden-acquainted person in the world... It's too much for one mind to hold....like you were the only person to ever see 'A Starry Night' before it may have been consumed in fire or something. Ms. Snowden apparently works more than I do...... ...and the Edmonton Mall! Heh. recently playing: Jenny Goodspeed, 'Good Daughter' on WUMB radio Chuck On Sep 13, 2008, at 12:55 PM, kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > OH MY! > I wasn't aware that anyone else had heard Ms. Snowden! Once you > hear her, you literally cannot forget the tunes, for better or for > worse. > "In, Canada, they'll treat you like a queen > In Canada, they never will be mean..." > > BJ's CD is among my favorite odd Cd's along with Kathy Barr's > "Follow Me" (to this day,I cannot figure out whether or not this is > a joke cd) and Cybill Shepard's "Vanilla" (her rendition of a > "Foggy Day In Londontown" must be heard to be believed) > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Eisenhardt > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 8:08 am > Subject: NJC Bad Songs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:30:53 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Song in your head? Pink - Dear Mr. President "What do you feel when you look in the mirror" Are you proud?"... "How can you hold your head up high? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDJ3cuXKV4 - -- - -Mark in Florida On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Happy The Man wrote: > (Angels Want to Wear My) Red Shoes > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of > Monika Bogdanowicz > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:12 AM > To: Joni people! > Subject: Song in your head? > > Do you currently have a song stuck in your head? I woke up with Ladies > Man, > for whatever reason, in my head. That isn't too odd for me. I often wake > up > with songs in my head (I wake up to the sound of music)...the lyrics just > going round and round my brain. I even wake up with songs that I don't > consciously know all the lyrics to but there they are in my head upon > waking. > -Monika > - -- - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:46:35 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Questions for Sharon I remember Karen Marie raised an interesting question some years ago, that maybe Sharon / Lisa can answer- That is: Who's Golden Reggie? Referred to in the lines: And when I went skating after Golden Reggie You know it was white lace I was chasing... Is this a real person or just some Prince Charming or maybe as it sounds like for me, a dog? Best Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:55:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Questions for Sharon Yeah, that *IS* a good one, Oddmund - I'm going to send that email out tonight to her daughter. I'll let you know when I hear back. Bob NP: Santana, "Toussaint l'Overture" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:53:34 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Corruption? Big Surprise Sex-drugs-oil scandal is no shocker. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/15/DD2K12SDF8.DTL Enjoy. And be sure to share with your Repu...blican friends. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:01:06 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: RIP - Richard Wright http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5goXIvltXKGWx6JNIo-5rDbZHVI6gD9379V0O1 :( c _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:00 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: RIP - Richard Wright NJC There's an interesting DVD about the making of Dark Side of the Moon...people tend to think of 70's Floyd as Gilmour & Waters but Wright's contributions were also very essential to it. When I first saw the mail I was confusing him with GARY Wright of Spooky Tooth/Dream Weaver fame. In other words, I wasn't thinking of the wright one. Bob NP: Nellie McKay, "Columbia Is Bleeding" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:57:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc I couldn't agree more with you Terra, this choice is about life or death. Watching a recent interview with Obama, I was reminded of why I knew instantly that he was the one we needed as a leader to bring us into a future that is will allow, not just our country, but the planet to both survive & thrive. Obama is a true visionary & we need a visionary right now because we are somewhere on that brink of the point of no return. At this point I think most people either get it or they don't. The Hopi's predicted this time, where there would be one last chance to turn things around before things became irreversible. The statement 'we are the ones we've been waiting for' has been quoted recently by the Obama campaign. This is a quote from the Hopi that many have been discussing over the past several years. Neil Young (once a Republican I recall), in his interview on Charile Rose recently said something similar about Obama & this time. I'd highly recommend this interview, it is a great one! Kate >I believe this is truly a life-or-death election: life or death of our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, the rule of law (which is why impeachment and/or war crimes trials are also NECESSARY), to name a few . . . nevermind people's and animal's lives. Terra < ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: RE: campaign and roll up our sleeves and The Hopi Survival Kit, njc I recommend reading the book, 'The Hopi Survival Kit' by Thomas E. Mails, 1997. Jeannie - --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Kate Bennett wrote: > From: Kate Bennett > Subject: RE: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc > To: "'JMDL'" > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 3:57 PM > I couldn't agree more with you Terra, this choice is > about life or death. > Watching a recent interview with Obama, I was reminded of > why I knew > instantly that he was the one we needed as a leader to > bring us into a > future that is will allow, not just our country, but the > planet to both > survive & thrive. > > > > Obama is a true visionary & we need a visionary right > now because we are > somewhere on that brink of the point of no return. At this > point I think > most people either get it or they don't. > > > > The Hopi's predicted this time, where there would be > one last chance to turn > things around before things became irreversible. The > statement 'we are the > ones we've been waiting for' has been quoted > recently by the Obama campaign. > This is a quote from the Hopi that many have been > discussing over the past > several years. > > > > Neil Young (once a Republican I recall), in his interview > on Charile Rose > recently said something similar about Obama & this > time. > > > > I'd highly recommend this interview, it is a great one! > > > > > Kate > > > > >I believe this is truly a life-or-death election: life > or death of our > Constitution, our Bill of Rights, the rule of law (which is > why impeachment > and/or war crimes trials are also NECESSARY), to name a few > . . . nevermind > people's and animal's lives. > > Terra < ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:42:31 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Redux - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" > Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* > recording > artists of the 20th century. Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:46:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Redux Believe me, I emailed him such. Mark Scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Notaro" >> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* >> recording >> artists of the 20th century. > > Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:08:34 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: "The Music of Joni Mitchell" (the first song folio) I was lucky enough to come by a nice copy of the first folio, with the same self-portrait that appears on the 'Clouds' album cover... This first printing (1969) is beautiful. I got lost in her eyes for quite a while....and that lipstick (....I won't go there...) The colors here are noticeably more vivid than the LP cover, and it quite leaps off the page. I took some handheld shots of it which I'd be happy to share with anyone who writes me off-line, and is nice. If you see this book, jump on it. There is a gatefold black and white photo by Bonnie Schiffman in the front of the book, and numerous other b&w and color photos by Graham Nash, Joel Bernstein, and others including 'Mrs. William Anderson' and these last are presumably the childhood shots. Great pix of Graham and Cros...on and on. If anyone's curious, check out what used booksellers are getting for the folios these days. Go to alibris.com or abebooks.com and search on her as 'author' ....it's amazing. DJRD seems to be the folio in most demand (priced accordingly at $330). Even the Poems and lyrics s pulling down 3 times the publication price in some cases. Most sought of all are the exhibition books....'Voices' from the Mendel show is listed at $780 on Alibris; the 'Black Paintings' book almost as much. Don't know what to say, but I'm amazed. I guess we should hold dear what we've collected, and/or swoop in when something presents at a fair price. ... still looking for the Blue folio, and an FTR that isn't falling apart! ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:12:16 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Redux You go! Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Mark Scott" Cc: "Jerry Notaro" ; "jon i" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Redux > Believe me, I emailed him such. > > Mark Scott wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Notaro" >>> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* >>> recording >>> artists of the 20th century. >> >> Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! >> >> Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:25:17 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Concert Ever In a message dated 9/14/08 3:14:14 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: Patti Parlette > Subject: Salon.com: Best Concert You Ever Saw > > Dear Joniamigos: > > Salon.com has an "Informal Open Call: Best Concert You Ever Saw" going on. > > http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=17557&source=newsletter > > Someone (Procopius) wrote: > > "CSNY, Joni Mitchell, Beach Boys, Jesse Colin Young ... Roosevelt Raceway, > Long Island. Sept. 1974. I skipped freshman orientation at college and > hitchhiked there ..." > > Ha! I was there! But I never saw that hitcher on the fine white lines of > the free freeway. Maybe we would have picked him up in our blue Volvo with > the "Impeach The President. Now More Than Ever" > Hi, Patti, Just for the record (!) the CSNY portion of that concert can be heard (in two parts) on Wolfgang's Vault website (along with lots of other live concerts) but I couldn't find any Joni listed there. It's a free site and has a VAST selection to check out (and, if you have an app like IRecordMusic, you can even download the concerts). My favorite concert ever? Wish I could say one of Joni's but I never caught her live. How can anyone pick one concert to call the best? Maybe one of the early Todd Rundgren or Joe Walsh shows or the 2005 Joe Jackson at Town Hall. Or maybe Rufus Wainwright or... Kenny B ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:52:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Redux It was just a cut-and-paste from the allmusic.com writeup. Still, he should have snipped the 'female' part out. Bob NP: Cassandra Wilson, "Show Me A Love" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Notaro To: Mark Scott Cc: Jerry Notaro ; jon i Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:46:39 PM Subject: Re: Redux Believe me, I emailed him such. Mark Scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Notaro" >> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* >> recording >> artists of the 20th century. > > Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:55:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Redux Now, now. Let's not be so JMDL critical :) He is a huge fan and is making nothing by putting this together. NP: Show Me Some Love Bob Muller wrote: > It was just a cut-and-paste from the allmusic.com writeup. Still, he > should have snipped the 'female' part out. > > Bob > > NP: Cassandra Wilson, "Show Me A Love" > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jerry Notaro > To: Mark Scott > Cc: Jerry Notaro ; jon i > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:46:39 PM > Subject: Re: Redux > > Believe me, I emailed him such. > > Mark Scott wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Notaro" >>> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* >>> recording >>> artists of the 20th century. >> >> Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! >> >> Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:16:09 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Redux Oh dear, I just can't help myself . . . "he should have snipped the 'female' part out." Careful! :-P Terra On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > It was just a cut-and-paste from the allmusic.com writeup. Still, he > should have snipped the 'female' part out. > > Bob > > NP: Cassandra Wilson, "Show Me A Love" > > Mark Scott wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Notaro" > >> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* > >> recording > >> artists of the 20th century. > > > > Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! > > > > Mark in Seattle > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:37 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: swing states - njc > From: Vince > Subject: Re: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Marianne Rizzo wrote: >> >>Can someone tell me which states are (do they call them swing states?) the >>most uncertain of the outcome of the presidential election (do they call >>them >>swing states?)? >> >>like >>Ohio >>Florida >>Virginia? >> >>What else? > > Michigan > Minnesota > Iowa > New Mexico > Washington > Oregon > Montana (by some estimates) > New Jersey was thought to be but seems to have solidifed > New Hampshire > Pennsylvania > The "swing state" phenomenon is a product of the way that states assign their delegates to the Electoral College. Almost all of the states, Nebraska and Maine being the exception, assign all of their delegates to the candidate that wins a plurality of the votes in that state. Its not even necessary to win a majority of the votes, if there are more than two candidates running (and there always are). e.g. If Candidate A gets 47% and Candidate B gets 45% and 7% vote for Other, then Candidate A gets 100% of that states electors. Its called Winner-Takes-All. Several times in history (most recently in 2000) a candidate has won the vote in the electoral college without winning the national popular vote. Theoretically, its possible for a candidate to win the election without even coming close to winning the popular vote. Say Candidate A wins in a landslide in about half the states and Candidate B barely squeaks by in the other half. As long as Candidate B wins more electors than Candidate A, then it doesn't matter how well Candidate A did in his/her states. Winning a state 99%-to-1% doesn't get you any more electors than winning the same state 51%-to-49%. So you could theoretically win the election with only 26%, or so, of the popular vote. Highly unlikely, but possible. So where do the so-called swing states come into this? If a state is statistically "close", judged by such things as recent polling data, voter registration, and results of past elections, then its to each candidate's advantage to try to push the state past its "tipping point" and thus get all of the state's electors. For instance, in 2004, Bush got all 20 of Ohio's electors, and Kerry got 0. But, if about 60,000 votes had gone the other way, Kerry would've gotten those 20 electors and Bush would've gotten 0, and would've lost the election. Another way of putting it is in terms of Return On Investment, most gain for the least pain; Ohio in 2004 being a prime example. The payout for turning a mere 60,000 Ohio voters would've been 20 electors. Whereas if Kerry had wanted to win Texas' 34 electors, he would've had to turn about a million voters. Swing states can be divided into two categories. First, there are the states where each candidate is polling within the margin of error from the other candidate. So, we really don't know who is ahead in those states. This year based on the most recent polling data: Colorado Indiana (!!!) Michigan Minnesota Nevada New Mexico Ohio Pennsylvania Virginia Washington Wisconsin These states get the most attention, especially the ones with alot of electors like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan. Indiana is a surprise. It has historically been reliably republican. Kerry got creamed there by 20 points. Then, there are states where one or the other candidate is significantly ahead, but it is still possible that the campaign, or events, could shift the state into the other column. A good rule of thumb is that if the candidates are polling with 10% of each other, then the state is a swing state. Polls are known to shift by as much as 10% over the course of a campaign, so its a reasonable heuristic. The states in that category this year are: Arizona Florida Missouri New Hampshire New Jersey New York Oregon Texas West Virginia New York is probably fairly safe for Obama and Texas is for McCain, but they are close enough that the candidates might want to focus some resources there. And actually, Iowa is pretty solid for Obama right now, so its not a swing state this year. All the rest of the states are so-called safe states. One candidate is far enough ahead that it its not worth the time and money padding his win, since he won't get any extra credit for it. All you have to do is win, period, and you get all 100% of that states electors. Likewise, its not worth it for the other candidate to try to "lose by less" in those states. If you lose, you get 0, whether you lose by 20% or 10%. If you're down by more than 10, then its next to impossible to move the ball that far, so its a waste of time even trying. The upshot of all this is that swing states get all the attention, and safe states get virtually ignored. I know that Obama has been touting a "50 State Campaign", which I think is admirable, and has probably resulted in some states being in play that normally aren't, and it will certainly help out the democratic candidates on the bottom half of the ballot (House, Senate, Governor, etc). But, if he doesn't focus the lion's share of his resources on the states listed above, he will end up watching the Inauguration on TV just like the rest of us. That's just the way the game is set up right now, and it would take either alot of state legislation, or a Constitutional amendment, to change that. A pie in the sky campaign ain't gonna do it. Personally, I think the whole system is crap and should be done away with in favor of a national popular vote. One Person, One Vote. The Electoral College is actually, at least partly, a product of slavery. In 1789 the white population in the South was far outnumbered by the population of the North. The Electoral College was a way for them to get credit for 3/5 of their black inhabitants (who vastly outnumbered whites at the time) in terms of representation in presidential elections (and in the House of Representatives) without having to let them vote. Its a disgrace. Get rid of it. Respectfully, David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:29:59 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: swing states - njc An illustrative contrast is the Democratic Primary, in which all the contests were proportional, and not winner-take-all. So there were no swing states. A 50 state strategy actually made sense, and one candidate waged that kind of campaign, and the other didn't. Obama was able to nickel and dime his way to victory. The race was close enough that if Clinton had fought a 50 state campaign, too, she almost certainly would've won. But, instead, she hired Mark Penn and lost. David David Eoll wrote: > >> From: Vince >> Subject: Re: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc >> >> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Marianne Rizzo >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Can someone tell me which states are (do they call them swing >>> states?) the >>> most uncertain of the outcome of the presidential election (do they call >>> them >>> swing states?)? >>> >>> like >>> Ohio >>> Florida >>> Virginia? >>> >>> What else? >> >> >> Michigan >> Minnesota >> Iowa >> New Mexico >> Washington >> Oregon >> Montana (by some estimates) >> New Jersey was thought to be but seems to have solidifed >> New Hampshire >> Pennsylvania >> > > The "swing state" phenomenon is a product of the way that states assign > their delegates to the Electoral College. Almost all of the states, > Nebraska and Maine being the exception, assign all of their delegates to > the candidate that wins a plurality of the votes in that state. Its not > even necessary to win a majority of the votes, if there are more than > two candidates running (and there always are). e.g. If Candidate A gets > 47% and Candidate B gets 45% and 7% vote for Other, then Candidate A > gets 100% of that states electors. Its called Winner-Takes-All. > > Several times in history (most recently in 2000) a candidate has won the > vote in the electoral college without winning the national popular vote. > Theoretically, its possible for a candidate to win the election without > even coming close to winning the popular vote. Say Candidate A wins in > a landslide in about half the states and Candidate B barely squeaks by > in the other half. As long as Candidate B wins more electors than > Candidate A, then it doesn't matter how well Candidate A did in his/her > states. Winning a state 99%-to-1% doesn't get you any more electors > than winning the same state 51%-to-49%. So you could theoretically win > the election with only 26%, or so, of the popular vote. Highly > unlikely, but possible. > > So where do the so-called swing states come into this? If a state is > statistically "close", judged by such things as recent polling data, > voter registration, and results of past elections, then its to each > candidate's advantage to try to push the state past its "tipping point" > and thus get all of the state's electors. For instance, in 2004, Bush > got all 20 of Ohio's electors, and Kerry got 0. But, if about 60,000 > votes had gone the other way, Kerry would've gotten those 20 electors > and Bush would've gotten 0, and would've lost the election. Another way > of putting it is in terms of Return On Investment, most gain for the > least pain; Ohio in 2004 being a prime example. The payout for turning > a mere 60,000 Ohio voters would've been 20 electors. Whereas if Kerry > had wanted to win Texas' 34 electors, he would've had to turn about a > million voters. > > Swing states can be divided into two categories. First, there are the > states where each candidate is polling within the margin of error from > the other candidate. So, we really don't know who is ahead in those > states. This year based on the most recent polling data: > > Colorado > Indiana (!!!) > Michigan > Minnesota > Nevada > New Mexico > Ohio > Pennsylvania > Virginia > Washington > Wisconsin > > These states get the most attention, especially the ones with alot of > electors like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan. Indiana is a surprise. > It has historically been reliably republican. Kerry got creamed there > by 20 points. > > Then, there are states where one or the other candidate is significantly > ahead, but it is still possible that the campaign, or events, could > shift the state into the other column. A good rule of thumb is that if > the candidates are polling with 10% of each other, then the state is a > swing state. Polls are known to shift by as much as 10% over the course > of a campaign, so its a reasonable heuristic. The states in that > category this year are: > > Arizona > Florida > Missouri > New Hampshire > New Jersey > New York > Oregon > Texas > West Virginia > > New York is probably fairly safe for Obama and Texas is for McCain, but > they are close enough that the candidates might want to focus some > resources there. And actually, Iowa is pretty solid for Obama right > now, so its not a swing state this year. > > All the rest of the states are so-called safe states. One candidate is > far enough ahead that it its not worth the time and money padding his > win, since he won't get any extra credit for it. All you have to do is > win, period, and you get all 100% of that states electors. Likewise, > its not worth it for the other candidate to try to "lose by less" in > those states. If you lose, you get 0, whether you lose by 20% or 10%. > If you're down by more than 10, then its next to impossible to move the > ball that far, so its a waste of time even trying. > > The upshot of all this is that swing states get all the attention, and > safe states get virtually ignored. > > I know that Obama has been touting a "50 State Campaign", which I think > is admirable, and has probably resulted in some states being in play > that normally aren't, and it will certainly help out the democratic > candidates on the bottom half of the ballot (House, Senate, Governor, > etc). But, if he doesn't focus the lion's share of his resources on the > states listed above, he will end up watching the Inauguration on TV just > like the rest of us. That's just the way the game is set up right now, > and it would take either alot of state legislation, or a Constitutional > amendment, to change that. A pie in the sky campaign ain't gonna do it. > > Personally, I think the whole system is crap and should be done away > with in favor of a national popular vote. One Person, One Vote. The > Electoral College is actually, at least partly, a product of slavery. In > 1789 the white population in the South was far outnumbered by the > population of the North. The Electoral College was a way for them to > get credit for 3/5 of their black inhabitants (who vastly outnumbered > whites at the time) in terms of representation in presidential elections > (and in the House of Representatives) without having to let them vote. > Its a disgrace. Get rid of it. > > Respectfully, > David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #214 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------