From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #212 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 14 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 212 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Salon.com: Best Concert You Ever Saw [Patti Parlette ] Song for Sharon and Mark's wallpapers [Patti Parlette ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate ["Mark Scott" ] Re: weird, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC [Victor Johnson ] Defenders of Wildlife, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Defenders of Wildlife, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate ["Mark Angelo" Subject: Salon.com: Best Concert You Ever Saw Dear Joniamigos: Salon.com has an "Informal Open Call: Best Concert You Ever Saw" going on. http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=17557&source=newsletter Someone (Procopius) wrote: "CSNY, Joni Mitchell, Beach Boys, Jesse Colin Young ... Roosevelt Raceway, Long Island. Sept. 1974. I skipped freshman orientation at college and hitchhiked there ..." Ha! I was there! But I never saw that hitcher on the fine white lines of the free freeway. Maybe we would have picked him up in our blue Volvo with the "Impeach The President. Now More Than Ever" bumpersticker on it. (Wow, even back then. In search of love and music My whole life has been Illumination Corruption!) I was a junior in college, getting ready to leave for a magical year abroad, where they kiss on Main Street. Despite the great line-up, it was the most crowded, hard-to-see-and-hear concert ever. Ranks 6th (last) on my list of Joni concerts. That is not to say that I have regrets about going. Nosiree Bobs and Coyotes! Not counting the Joni's, I have to say that CSNY's Freedom of Speech '06 Tour was my best concert experience. (Are you experienced?) In search of love and music, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:10:19 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Defenders of Wildlife NJC Kate in CA wrote: Thanks Terra & Cindy for your comments. High five to ya'll. How the @#$% can someone say they are pro life when they are pro animal slaughter & pro bush doctrine (& speaking of that, how is it that a potential vp doesn't even know what the bush doctrine is?) **** I was going to post that Defenders of Wildlife site myself. Did you see the 1:02 min. video? I won't post that because I don't want to be responsible for anyone throwing up. "How the @#$%", indeed. I've noticed something lately in the workplace. People -- older professors who I NEVER expected would use this word -- are confessing to flinging it at their TV sets lately, or using it in conversation. This ticket has brought out the worst in people. Not that there's anything wrong with the F word....you know what I mean. Maybe the word I mean is passion. Outrage! As in "WTF?????" Pro-lifers are the most oxymoronic people I've ever known. They take their contradictions out and they splash them on our brows. I'm saying let them lose, I'm crying don't let them win! I read a pro-Palin op-ed piece by a female NRA-er (past president maybe?) who said something to the effect that Obama is not qualified to be President because he has "never looked down the barrel of a loaded gun" at an animal and shot it. WTF indeed! Peace, Patti P. "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:17:55 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Song for Sharon and Mark's wallpapers Man, I'm *trying* to get ready to go out to my friends' civil union ceremony (I wonder if there will be bells and lace?), and the latest digest just popped up. Regarding finding Sharon: Wow! We got Estrella and Annie and Trina and now Sharon. I think it's so groovy now that people are finally getting together. Come together, right now, over JONI! Next thing you know we'll find Amelia! Regarding Mark's wallpapers: Genius on genius. Je m'abaisse devant votre grandeur, Joni and Mark. Okay, c'est tout. Bon samedi! Love, Patti P. NPOMTV: roofs ripped with hurricanes, and a news banner that says Barack Obama has canceled his appearance on SNL live. Zut alors! "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:39:18 +0100 From: "Samuel Jeronimo" Subject: RE: smashing subatomic particles, njc You can always see what's happening in here: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html Samuel .. Laura wrote: Hi Ya'll, How can they be sure this won't start some kind of unzipping process of matter if they finally get to and disrupt an unknown particle or force moving things in the direction of creation? Could the creation process be reversed? Any physicists out there? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:15:17 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: weird, njc I had to laugh when I saw this post. When I lived in Texas, a friend of mine flew down from Michigan to see me over the holidays. On new years eve she got very drunk and threw up; she actually got the electric window down and started to lean out but mostly her efluvients went down into the electric window slot. The next day we were up bright and early (relatively) to take our chauffeur's car to the car wash to clean it up. While there a man jogged into the car wash, stripped all his clothes off, used the car wash nozzle to take a shower, ran around the little brick quarter carwash building several times - we guessed to dry off, got dressed again and jogged away. You're right people do the weirdest things. Cassy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Stanley" <<< People do all kinds of weird things in front of our house. There's a guy changing all of his clothes right in front of me right now. Off with the blue jeans... on with the kakis. Guess he's getting ready for work. He's not bad looking. I don't like the color of his car though... dark blue with a tad of green. Now he's putting on his belt. I guess the show is soon to be over. OMG... he's got an army shirt he's putting on now! He's a GI. No wonder his hair is so short. God bless him. >>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:18:07 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Angelo" > I think the climate that you come to prefer (with many exceptions) > is often > that in which you spent your formative years. I suppose whatever it > is that > you associate with "home" is the climate you acclimate to and view > as being > preferable. Then I guess I am one of the exceptions. I lived in southeast Iowa from the time I was born and then went to college in the northern part of Iowa at the age of 18. Iowa has 4 distinct seasons with winters that can see temperatures below 0 degrees F (with windchills it can get down to -20 or -30 F in the town where I went to college). Snow throughout the winter with an occasional blizzard that can pile up a foot or so of the cold white stuff. Summers are humid and hot and the temperatures get into the 90s and sometimes over 100 degrees F. Thunderstorms in summer dump rain in buckets and can generate enough wind to blow trees down. In between are spring and autumn with more moderate temperatures although the humidity can continue through a large part of those seasons. The foliage changes in autumn and most of the trees are deciduous. The grass turns brown in winter and most everything looks very bare. Spring can be lovely but winter sometimes continues into April so it can be late in coming. At the age of 24 I moved to Seattle having never been here before. I arrived in August of 1978 which is about the best weather of the year here. Temps in the 70's F with little humidity. Winters are very mild compared to Iowa. The first one I spent here I thought I had died and gone to heaven. It wasn't LA but it was so much easier than Iowa where I had come to hate winter. It does tend to be wet but I have become so acclimated that when the temp gets above about 75 F in the summer I can hardly bear being in the sun for very long. After a week of hot weather I am ready for cooler weather and a lot of the natives think I'm crazy for that reason. But I love it here. In terms of vegation, with the exception of tropical plants that cannot bear cold at all or plants that really need a lot of hot sun, we can grow almost anything here from bamboo (our back yard is full of it) to fuschias, rhododendrons, azaleas, sequoias, forsythia, lilacs, trilliums, roses, blueberries, ferns of many varieties, Japanese maples, Douglas firs, wisteria, hemlocks, helleborus, gunnera and on and on. As I said, it can be gloomy and wet here in the winter but it is always green - the grass stays green all year round and there are plenty of evergreen shrubs and trees. And the rain here is not like the downpours that happen in other places like Iowa. Mostly it is like a drizzle or gentle shower. This, however, can chill the bones in winter. It does snow on occasion but it usually doesn't stick around for very long. Summer can get into the 90s F but usually without the humidity and that never lasts long either. Add to this our 2 moutain ranges, Olympics in the west and the Cascades in the east and the water all around us - Puget Sound, Lake Washington - that is beautifully blue on clear days and you have Paradise or close to is as far as I'm concerned. The Pacific ocean is also only a few hours drive away. Anyway, I wouldn't move back to Iowa for anything. This is home to me now. Mark, a 30 year resident of the Seattle area ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:13:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Subject: RE: NJC Shine for Obama! U.S. Politics - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Patti Parlette wrote: > ... now I know it's time to roll up my sleeves and start > pitchin' in, big time. (NPIMH: Hana!) I have some > PTSD after working so hard for Lamont two years ago, I can understand that! It's hard when you give your all to something and it doesn't work out the way you want it to! Your teeth must gnash every time you see Lieberman on tv -- and he's on tv WAY TOO OFTEN! Even my teeth get a little gnashy whenever I see him. I hope this is his LAST term as Senator of ANY party! Course there are still four years to go until he faces another election... so hang on, Patti! In addition to helping Barack get elected, volunteering for him lowers my anxiety level, which gets pretty high after watching the news and imagining 4 MORE YEARS of the Bush administration, but even more inept than BushCo! So focusing on working for Barack helps me put that anxiety aside, focus on the goal and meet lots of like-minded friendly souls too -- so all that's good. Probably every (or almost every) JMDLer is already doing something to help Barack get elected, so I know I'm preaching to the choir here... I just finished talking at a meeting of 70 people (which is a LOT for this little rural county!) and everyone's fired up and ready to go! It's great to be part of that. Let the Repubs sneer and make fun all they want about community organizing -- such organizing just may come back and bite 'em at the ballot box. We're sure giving it our best shot here in Virginia! > And here's a small thing everyone can do: make sure > you and your friends and kin are registered to vote! It > gets easier and easier to do thanks the "the > internets": > > https://www.voteforchange.com/index_obama.php?source=091008emailR# Great advice, Patti! People may want to check that website just to make sure they're still registered. And for protection, on election day take voter card, photo ID, and especially if you're a new voter or a student, also take a utility bill or report card (or something else with your name and address on it). For this election there will be thousands of lawyers and poll watchers ready to counter whatever shenanigans the Repubs try to pull this time. Enough already with stealing elections! If the Repubs had an agenda that appealed to working people (a real one -- not just lies), then they wouldn't have to cheat in order to get into office... but that's another discussion for some other time and place. Go Obama!!! Debra Shea returning to not-having-time-to-even-read-messages jonilist lurkdom for a few more months ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: weird, njc Hi Cassy, LOL!! That beats my story! Love, Laura - --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Cassy wrote: > From: Cassy > Subject: Re: weird, njc > To: "Laura Stanley" , joni@smoe.org > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 8:15 PM > I had to laugh when I saw this post. When I lived in Texas, > a friend of > mine flew down from Michigan to see me over the holidays. > On new years eve > she got very drunk and threw up; she actually got the > electric window down > and started to lean out but mostly her efluvients went down > into the > electric window slot. > > The next day we were up bright and early (relatively) to > take our > chauffeur's car to the car wash to clean it up. While > there a man jogged > into the car wash, stripped all his clothes off, used the > car wash nozzle to > take a shower, ran around the little brick quarter carwash > building several > times - we guessed to dry off, got dressed again and jogged > away. > > You're right people do the weirdest things. > > Cassy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laura Stanley" > > > <<< People do all kinds of weird things in front > of our house. There's a > guy changing all of his clothes right in front of me right > now. Off with > the blue jeans... on with the kakis. Guess he's > getting ready for work. > He's not bad looking. I don't like the color of > his car though... dark blue > with a tad of green. Now he's putting on his belt. I > guess the show is > soon to be over. OMG... he's got an army shirt > he's putting on now! He's a > GI. No wonder his hair is so short. God bless him. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate Well, perhaps for most people. I've lived in Ohio now since I was 2 years old or so and I am not used to the winters at all. Ohio basically has 2 main seasons. Months and months of winter and about three months or so of summer. We get a good week or two of Spring or Fall but really, it is usually warm or cold. Two seasons almost. I absolutely despise winter though. From about late September/early October until May or so, I am always cold (also cold in the places that love to blast the A/C in the summer). I have a space heater in my room...I sleep with two blankets and a sweater on....I drive with my heat on in the car during those months, etc etc. I already turn the heat on in my car every now and again in the mornings driving to work. Plus, I hate the snow. I don't even like the looks of it. Some people say it looks "pretty" from inside but it just repulses me because I know that it is cold. I am ultimately a hot weather/summer person. I love beaches, swimming, sunshine, etc. I could do well in a place like Phoenix, AZ or Florida.. Ultimately, for my next job, I want to go south and warm up! When other people start to complain it is hot, that is when I am comfortable. If it is under 65-70, then I am cold generally speaking. - -Monika - --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Mark Scott wrote: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Angelo" > I think the climate that you come to prefer (with many exceptions) > is often > that in which you spent your formative years. I suppose whatever it > is that > you associate with "home" is the climate you acclimate to and view > as being > preferable. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC - --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > It's so odd when I meet tourists or see Australia > depicted on foreign > TV shows (ie. The Simpsons, etc). People seem to think > it's all > desert here. ... > We are not a population of sheep farmers or Crocodile > Dundees. Yes, > those things exist and are a part of our culture but so are > the early > Italian settlers and the Hungarian workers who came to this > country > for a free life, to make a new start. They are the ones who > forged > this culture. I saw the Simpsons episode whereof you speak. Pretty stupid and insulting. They did a similar one about the Simpsons coming to Canada. Likewise stupid. On the other hand, the Simpsons is satire and I prefer to think that they do these shows about them visiting other countries (there was one on Japan too) in a way to make fun of people who do believe that stuff, but it probably goes over most people's heads. I have to admit, when the Olympics were on, I guess I was a bit surprised at how modern parts of Beijing looked. I really don't know what I was expecting but, when you know that they had tanks running over students in Tien An Men Square, I guess I expect something more medieval. It's weird the ideas we get of other countries and cultures. People think we're all Mounties and lumberjacks here. (I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK!) > So who do you think will become a republic first? Canada or > Australia? > My bet is on Australia. You've already had a referendum about it. We've got Quebec that every so often holds a referendum about going independent from Canada. There are a lot of differences in how people think according to which province you're in. On the other hand, the whole Queen business is very odd. For most people, she's not terribly relevant and I keep forgetting that she is still the Queen of Canada as well. I work for the government and new employees still have to pledge allegiance to the Queen and make an oath of secrecy. I sometimes wonder whether someone who blurted out a government secret might be executed for treason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate - --- On Sat, 9/13/08, notaro@stpt.usf.edu wrote: > > Come to think of it, quite a few people think that in > Canada it's cold all > > the time. > > It is. > ...sez the boy from Buffalo - emphasis on FROM. Yeah, it gets cold in the winter and this last winter was colder than it has been for a long time AND we got a lot of snow (usually Buffalo gets all the snow.) But it gets too damn hot AND humid in the summer. This summer has been weird. It has never gotten too hot and we've had a lot of rain. The grass and the trees are loving it, but it's just strange. I don't think I could handle Florida. I'm sure it's humid there all the time and I hate humidity. It's too humid here in Toronto too. I think I'd like to go out to BC and live on Vancouver Island or up the coast. The weather is more temperate there. Vancouver itself is too rainy - and too expensive. The other thing about Florida... too many old people, including retired Canadians who like to brag about how warm it is when it's freezing cold up here in winter. __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Defenders of Wildlife, njc - --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Kate Bennett wrote: > Right you are Laura & Catherine, for one to claim they > are pro life, this > should extend to all beings four legged or two legged, > guilty or innocent. > The proposed bounty on a foreleg of a wolf is really what > really set me over > the edge about Palin forever more. It is neanderthal. It is very barbaric. It's like cutting off the heads of your enemies and setting them on a pike. There is something very insulting about that and shows great disrespect for these beautiful creatures. It just makes me cringe. > As a side note, friends who have a place in Montana tell me > how they have > hunters trespassing on their land all the time. Apparently > there is some > sort of high tech device that allows hunters to track their > prey from the > comfort of their home & when they find it, they just > jump in their truck, > drive however many miles to the spot & make the kill. > Kate I've heard about that. It's infrared or sonar or some combination. That is also barbaric. It's one thing to hunt if you need to, for food. But tracking these creatures down like that just for so-called sport is just awful. Isn't it typical of our technological age and spoiled-brat, gimme-gimme, I'm-in-a-hurry mentality that someone would come up with something like this, so the "hunters" can go out, find their prey and have fun killing it and still be home in time for dinner. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate - --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Mark Angelo wrote: > Catherine, I'm one of those people that thinks it's > (relatively) cold all > the time. Though I do realize in Summer you have longer > days and more > sunshine than those of us further to your south, I hadn't given a great deal of thought to the length of days and nights until my sister-in-law in Edmonton talked about having gone even further north, where, in summer, the sun would still be up until 11 p.m. Now THAT is weird! And I was in Montreal a few years ago in late November, which is about a 5-1/2 hour drive from here, but further north and, although in the same time zone as us, it's closer to the beginning of the time zone and it got dark at least half an hour before it would here at the same time of day. ...I spent > two semesters at Colorado College. I had to buy a parka for > the first time > in my life - I'd never even heard of them before, and I > remember walking to > the cafeteria at breakfastime, my hair still somewhat wet > from having > showered, and it would freeze. Oh yeah, and when the hairs in your nose start to freeze, that is weird too! > I know in Tucson and in many of the "sky island" > mountain chains in the > area, such as the Santa Catalinas and Mount Lemmon, it is > said that going > from the desert floor (at 2500 feet elevation there) to the > top of Mount > Lemmon, it is akin to traveling northwards to the latitude > of Canada, with > the change in ecosystems that you encounter, with largely > forests of various > pine trees covering the upper elevation. On a hot summer > day of say 103 in > Tucson, it would be a much cooler 73 degrees up on Mount > Lemmon, overlooking > the Sonoran Desert. About 30 degrees difference as I > recall. That is very cool. What a great experience if you could do that in one day! > Well, of course Joni's many lyrics also reinforce the > notion that Canada is > pretty cold... > > "It's a long long way from Canada > A long way from snow chains > Donkey vendors slicing coconuts > No parkas to their name" I think it gets VERY cold out there on the prairies. It's quite a bit further north than southern Ontario and that makes a big difference. We're further south than most of Minnesota and Wisconsin, for example - not that anyone would accuse those states of having temperate climates. But then, you get out to BC, other side of the Rockies, and the climate is much different and they get very few below zero days (I'm talking zero celsius, so few below-freezing days.) > I think the climate that you come to prefer (with many > exceptions) is often > that in which you spent your formative years. I suppose > whatever it is that > you associate with "home" is the climate you > acclimate to and view as being > preferable. Oh, I'm not so sure about that. I'm not particularly fond of snow although it does look pretty when it's falling or when it has just fallen and I always think you need snow for Christmas. But I think maybe a few days, or at most a few weeks of it are all I'd need! I think I'd like a place that doesn't get so hot in summer or so cold in winter. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:24:03 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re:climate NJC Count me as an exception also. I was born in Tampa, Florida and although I think it's a great place to visit, I couldn't live there as the climate is just too warm. I'm not even so particularly enthralled with Georgia's climate but I can deal with it and there is a bit more of a change of seasons. I miss living in Asheville and could end up there again some day. Or somewhere else.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:39:10 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC On Sep 13, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: >> > > I saw the Simpsons episode whereof you speak. Pretty stupid and > insulting. They did a similar one about the Simpsons coming to > Canada. Likewise stupid. On the other hand, the Simpsons is satire > and I prefer to think that they do these shows about them visiting > other countries (there was one on Japan too) in a way to make fun of > people who do believe that stuff, but it probably goes over most > people's heads. Being a long time fan of the Simpsons, I would agree with your statement that it is satire and not meant to be taken seriously. And yes, they are poking fun at stereotypes and people of that mindset. And before any country gets up in arms over their humour, yes, they have visited many countries...Japan, Canada, Brazil, Australia, China, India, England but the country they make fun of more than any other is the United States itself. After all, that's where they're from and have lived everyday for 18+ years. I wouldn't use the language stupid or insulting to describe episodes though I can see why some people might have that reaction. I prefer to think of them as brilliant and subtle. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:22:45 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: maybe I'll go to Amsterdam, maybe I'll go to Rome... Just trying to figure out, as I did in 2000, where I should move to if Mccain should win... _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC - --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Victor Johnson wrote: the country they make fun of more than > any other is > the United States itself. After all, that's where > they're from and > have lived everyday for 18+ years. And just as we're about to find out which state Springfield is in, they switch to something else. It is near the ocean and the mountains and a desert... and it has a great tire fire. It's a small town but it's also a big city with many ethnic neighbourhoods and it has been visited by Paul McCartney, the B52s, The Red Hot Chili Peppers and the Who. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:09:23 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: campaign and roll up our sleeves, njc Hi all, Can someone tell me which states are (do they call them swing states?) the most uncertain of the outcome of the presidential election (do they call them swing states?)? like Ohio Florida Virginia? What else? NY usually votes Democratic. tell me about your state. BUT we cannot take anything for granted. I am still astonished that Bush W got elected 2 times. So anything can happen. The point is, we each have got to do what we can. . . suggestions: 1. open our wallets (where is the best place to send a regular check?) 2. do some kind of volunteering and or/ 3. contact people/friends in the vulnerable states and make sure they are going to the polls. In NY I think you have to register 25 days before the elections. 4. Print some voter registration forms and pass them out. if you moved since the last election you have to register again (in NY, I am not sure about the rules in other states) we can't just sit around. this is a VERY VERY important election it has far reaching consequences it will effect the lives of many many people it will effect almost all of our lives patti wrote: Thanks, Debra. I have done some small and medium things but now I know it's time to roll up my sleeves and start pitchin' in, big time. (NPIMH: Hana!) I have some PTSD after working so hard for Lamont two years ago, but I know I have to force my heart and nerve and sinew to serve the greater good and do it again.And here's a small thing everyone can do: make sure you and your friends and kin are registered to vote! It gets easier and easier to do thanks the "the internets":https://www.voteforchange.com/index_obama.php?source=091008emailR# McBush, McS(h)ame. And Sarah Palin? One more thing to get your anima rising. In December, the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner quoted Palin as saying: "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity." (Hello, Marianne? She's dissin' your guy! You won't be told a lie about your guy, will you? xoxo)Oh, and her lack of foreign policy experience? Not to worry! She is being tutored by none other than my nemesis, Joe Lieberman! Anima rising,Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:21:08 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Defenders of Wildlife, njc I am trying to think of a way to invert this statement. . (and in no way am I trying to challenge anyone) but the first thing I thought of was (still trying to figure this out. . .) some thing like: how can you be pro animal (no killing) and pro choice not very clear. . . still figuring this out ~ From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Defenders of Wildlife, njc An animal lover wrote: "How the @#$% can someone say they are pro life when they are pro animalslaughter..." Hi Kate, Slaughter is the hellish thing done to pigs, chickens, cows, buffalo, sheep and whatever else we find in the miles of meat aisles in our grocery stores. Until that killing stops, we haven't got a chance of protecting the much smaller scale killing of animals in the wild. Love,Laura (pro all animal life, not just wildlife) _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:45:02 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Defenders of Wildlife, njc ~ I have two comments on this: (one comment per post) one is about Hunting and what you said here Kate: "Apparently there is somesort of high tech device that allows hunters to track their prey from thecomfort of their home & when they find it, they just jump in their truck,drive however many miles to the spot & make the kill. " Hunting is not a sport. I understand killing an animal if someone is truly planning on eating the animal (because I believe it is natural for humans to still be carnivorous) and using the animal's body like the indians did . . . . and at least praying for it and honoring it. . . Yet for those who say that hunting is a sport: ~ A sport is when two people AGREE to play and they BOTH HAVE THE SAME EQUIPMENT. Any hunter who hunts and finds pleasure in killing another should evaluate themselves as it is very disheartening (and scary) that one would achieve any kind of pleasure out of killing another creature. and for any person who says that they are doing the community a service or helping the animal: Have any of these hunters \ever donated their time in an animal shelter? If they are so called "concerned" with helping an animal or decreasing the population, why do hunters seem to always want to kill the BUCk when hunting deer, for example? It would make more sense to take the female out of the population. . . deer season is coming soon around here and it is right in front of me come thanksgiving. I have deer in my yard most days and they are so beautiful and peaceful. and the wild turkeys. . they all deserve to live we could live in paradise or near paradise and with these high tech devices, why don't you just "raise em up like sheep" and hunt them in your yard? How hard is it to hunt down another? Marianne From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Defenders of Wildlife, njcRight you are Laura & Catherine, for one to claim they are pro life, thisshould extend to all beings four legged or two legged, guilty or innocent.The proposed bounty on a foreleg of a wolf is really what really set me overthe edge about Palin forever more. It is neanderthal. We all have ourbuttons- that is one of mine. May she disappear back into the wilds ofAlaska & fade far far away from our national view. As a side note, friends who have a place in Montana tell me how they havehunters trespassing on their land all the time. Apparently there is somesort of high tech device that allows hunters to track their prey from thecomfort of their home & when they find it, they just jump in their truck,drive however many miles to the spot & make the kill. Kate _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:50:00 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Defenders of Wildlife, njc regarding Palin, That is a very good point. "May she disappear back into the wilds ofAlaska & fade far far away from our national view. " May she disappear back into the wilds ofAlaska & fade far far away from our national view. May she disappear back into the wilds ofAlaska & fade far far away from our national view. perhaps if we say this and ask the great spirit altogether and often we can move this let us do it I, for starters, am going to send this satement to my friends. Marianne From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Defenders of Wildlife, njc Right you are Laura & Catherine, for one to claim they are pro life, thisshould extend to all beings four legged or two legged, guilty or innocent.The proposed bounty on a foreleg of a wolf is really what really set me overthe edge about Palin forever more. It is neanderthal. We all have ourbuttons- that is one of mine. May she disappear back into the wilds ofAlaska & fade far far away from our national view. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:51:51 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate Mark it sounds quite lovely there in Seattle. I kept thinking of Joni's "Little Green" as I read your post for some reason. My aunt and uncle have lived in Seattle for over 30 years now. I've never been there. I'm like you it's the combination of the humidity and the heat together that gets to me and feels oppressive. Monica I was born in Ohio, Marietta actually, where my mom was born and raised, but only lived there 6 months. A procession of different states followed...Michigan, California, Pennsylvania, Texas all while I was still very young, and then off to Ahmadi, Kuwait sometime around the age of 6 years. I can kind of relate to this fascinating interview I read today with Joni from 2005 (Reader's Digest) from the JMDL Library: ********* RD: You were born in Fort Macleod. Mitchell: Then we moved to Calgary, then we moved to Creelman, then we moved to Maidstone, then we moved to North Battleford, all before I was five. So because of all that gypsying - which was good experience for me - it made uprooting easier Because we moved a lot, as a child, you couldn't let your roots go down too deep, otherwise pulling them up would be extremely painful. ********* This is kind of my personal experience as well..."I've been traveling so long, how'm I gonna know my home when I see it again?"...and probably why I most identify with "Hejira". Anyways we used to return stateside annually and visit grandparents etc. in OH and WV. I don't recall anything about it that I'd really like to revisit. I have no desire at all to live north of Florida cause of the cold, though some of area in the Appalachians is quite scenic. California always appealed to me but is too expensive. And Arizona... "will you take me as I am?" ...I had an obsession with Phoenix for the longest time - owing to there being a place in the continental US that reminded me so much (climatologically) of cities I'd lived in the Middle East -. I love Phoenix - the only problem is that it is in a valley and the pollution caused by 4 million inhabitants in a Valley with the 5th or 6th busiest airport in the nation smack in the middle of it all with no moisture to cleanse the air is monumental. Many days you cannot see the Sierra Estrella mountains, South Mountain, or even the White Tank Mountains. And a great many people simply can no longer *breathe* there. It has long been removed from the list of places for asthmatics to move to seek relief, though Tucson - which has a bit of a problem but pales in comparison is still on the list. "Life...is breathing" (KB), something that I now keep in mind. Still I love Phoenix in many ways, it's as if it feels sort of like "home" for some reason if I could pick a place - perhaps in part because my only house I've ever owned was in Deer Valley, far north of the city central and separated from it by Squaw Peak (now renamed Piestewa Peak because of ethnic sensitivies) and actually closer to Cave Creek where the foothills of the Mogollon Rim begin - but it is essentially the desert town that planned and aspired to negate the desert and become a 4 million inhabitant megalopolis like those back East - and I love Tucson as well - the small desert town that embraced the desert, fought growth (they still are), the anti-Phoenix of sorts, and now finds itself as a metro area close to 1 million with an infrastructure that was never adequately planned to handle that kind of growth. Nights are cooler than PHX by about 10 degrees owing to being 1500 feet higher than Phoenix even with it's more southerly location. Cost of living is considerably less in Tucson as well. - -- - -Mark in Florida NP: Joy Williams - We On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote in part: "I've lived in Ohio now since I was 2 years old or so and I am not used to the winters at all. I am ultimately a hot weather/summer person. I love beaches, swimming sunshine, etc. I could do well in a place like Phoenix, AZ or Florida.." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #212 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------